Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting taken into custody after being recognized at McDonald’s
Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting arraigned on firearm and forgery charges – as it happened
Upon further investigation, officers recovered a firearm on the man, as well as a suppressor, both consistent with the weapon used in the murder.
Ummm... That's awfully convenient. He just happened to have brought that exact gun with its suppressor to McDonald's. I'm skeptical.
How do you not throw the gun away before leaving the city?? The ID was apparently on him too
Exactly this. He pulls off the hit, escapes without a trace. But is somehow dumb enough to carry convicting evidence on him still while in a very public location?
Anyone would know to dump the evidence and lay low for a good while.
You throw away the gun after leaving the city. In the middle of nowhere
From the video, it sounded like they searched his residence and found it there.
Don't forget, they basically found a long drawn out letter about how much dislike he has for CEOs - something along those lines.
We all know that just what you go around carrying after you pulled off a crime like that.
We can't let the media take the narrative back and let them do a smear campaign on this person who might not even be the shooter. He's a suspect.
This ceo shooting broke the proverbial spell where what the population was actually saying wasn't being guided or swayed by the news.
We need to keep the steam up on the media pushback. All those savage, snarky comments and memes left on every news article, fb post, tweet... they got overwhelmed by us. That needs to keep happening so they can't go back to distracting and brainwashing people with fear and politics while they scapegoat this guy and try to make an example of him to the rest of us plebs.
They already tried to distract us with aliens and Diddy because people won't stop saying how much they hate insurance companies. Keep voicing your discontent where ever they leave an open comment box. Please do it. Not only is it cathartic, but it upsets the oligarchs and everytime you upset an oligarch someone's insurance is less likely to deny their claim.
This isnt the guy. This is their scapegoat. What I could read he seems to be a foreigner. Also the first part of the article is hilarious. Fucking cop who been on the job no more than 6 months and fellow officer saw this guy and just knew they have the right man no doubt in their minds didn't think twice. Fucking doesn't look like the killer even a little bit. Bunch fuck ups. Poor guy.
Edit: so guy isn't a foreigner, but he isn't the killer either.
Wait hang on what aliens
Just a nothing statement from the pentagon with a click bait title. It was a waste of internet space honestly.
I'll save you a Google... the pentagon doesn't know what ufos are.
God I wish dem aliens were real, if they were they'd have more than just "Hey guise, aliens might be real amybe"
Reading the coverage from mainstream Media is wild. Only The Guardian was brave enough to provide the other perspective that didn't paint the CEO in some ultra kind light. But maybe it's because they're not based in the US.
I'd like to send out a special "Fuck you" to the asshole that called this tip in, whether it turns out to be the real shooter or not. I can't imagine being such a piece of trash to go do that.
Yeah, fuck that person as much as the wealthy. There's nothing worth less than a worthless taint licker.
It's a pretty normal thing to do. If you're just living your life like you're supposed to, doing your job like your supposed to and listening to the news like you're supposed to. Than you don't know any better than to turn in a wanted criminal when you see him, because you trust the state and the police to be good and do the right thing. You can't blame them for being perfectly conditioned by the multi billion dollar machine of the state, because it's not an easy thing to escape.
Maybe if we created a culture of shaming bootlickers, more people would understand that bootlicking is wrong because it would be easier to be exposed to that information.
$50k is too good to pass up. But my conscience probably won't sleep well for the rest of my life if I ratted the suspect.
Then it's worth passing up.
I always wondered if you end up getting the reward. I bet there is some stupid rule that voids it.
"Oooh, you called, but you didn't call it in at 3:54 on a Tuesday and request to speak to Detective Dingleberry while playing Cranberries in the background"
No it's not
“Wow! 100k is a lot” No, in the grand scheme of things in 2024, it is not.
Sub link says it was an elderly employee. So that could mean either they were in dire straits with their own cost of living looking for $50k, they were working for a social outlet during retirement, or they hold a strong belief in a US that [didn't actually] existed for white people 25+ years ago... The first is more empathetic of course but i can't help but feel this is yet another "olds screwing the youngs" situation.
But seriously, fuck Burger King
Whopper > Big Mac
These companies don’t care about you, or your kids, or your grandkids. They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?
We’re animals just like everything else on this planet, except we’ve forgotten the law of the jungle and bend over for our overlords when any other animal would recognize the threat and fight to the death for their survival. “Violence never solved anything” is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.
(Quote from a book review made by the suspect)
I can't believe they tracked down his Goodreads account. The internet truly never ceases to amaze.
One article I read included the title of this book but I didn't note it down. Do you know the book title? It had to do with healthcare insurance claims and how to navigate them.
Catching the suspect came down to “good old-fashioned police work,” New York Mayor Eric Adams said Monday, citing the McDonald’s employee who called in a tip.
Lol, you mean someone hitting the “easy” button and telling cops where he is? That’s “police work”? Waiting around for someone to do the work for you?
Edit: I wouldn’t want to be the person collecting the reward for the arrest of this individual.
Good old fashioned police work: either waiting for someone else to do the work, or setting up some poor sad sack to pin the crime on.
Didn't Eric recently announce he was switching parties to the GOP? Sounds like a good Republican Police Force, solve no problems, just wait around for someone to blame.
A bunch of rich people were scared. Now we are about to see a bunch of theater to make them all feel safe and good about treating the peasants poorly. Mark my words.
Until the next.
All I want for Christmas is a next.
They should stay scared. This is far from over.
Honestly he was so smart to be able to get away basically undetected. After I reflected on it for a bit, there's no way he would unintentionally be presenting the same fake ID, manifesto and carrying all the stuff he had. It seems deliberate.
Luigi will be remembered as the one who took on American Healthcare and actually did something about it, even if the full weight of billionaire-owned media and the full force of the law is going to be dumped on him.
Fuckin' snitches.
No wait, hang on, you're telling me that this guy managed to get out of New York City after committing one of the most high profile killings ever and instead of laying low and waiting for the news to blow over he got caught in a McDonalds during an active manhunt with a fake I.D., the murder weapon, and a manifesto all on his person? Either he wanted to get caught, or I smell a scapegoat here. Can't have America's oldest gang losing face in front of their corporate sponsors, now can we?
We’ll see if he gets Epsteined before the trial
Officer Tyler Frye, who has only been on the job for about six months, and a fellow officer responded to the McDonald’s where the suspect was spotted, the AP reports.
They asked him to pull his blue medical mask down and “recognized him immediately” Frye said. “We didn’t even think twice about it, we knew that was our guy.”
Frye said, “It feels good to get a guy like that off the street, especially starting my career this way, it feels great.”
Yeah... Great job. I'm sure your corporate overloads will appreciate it.
Oh, ho hooo! Is funny because his corporate overlords will not appreciate it or recognise him at all! Ohhhh....
Yeah thanks for coming, Fouad.
They asked him to pull his blue medical mask down and “recognized him immediately” Frye said. “We didn’t even think twice about it, we knew that was our guy.”
How? That guy could have come up to and knocked on my door, told me he was the guy while showing me the picture of him at Starbucks, and insisted he was the dude, and I still would have serious doubts. How the hell did someone at McDonald's recognize him, call the police, and the police knew it was the suspect instantly with complete confidence?
Tyler Frye... an name to remember. None of us!
Please, do not expect much from a cop, especially novbakita.
Ugh, was hoping they'd never catch him.
Not looking forward to the upcoming demonization of him by the news.
Tear apart his manifesto, pull up some kooky tweets and his bed is made, next up they'll find CP on his phone or some shit 🤦♂️
I really wonder why he'd keep walking around with the same gun, same fake ID and manifesto though. Did he want to get caught???
Tinfoil hat time: with the police looking increasingly incompetent with no suspect or leads, the first person apprehended who vaguely resembles the shooter is provided with a free ghost gun, fake ID, and manifesto. It's all just too "slam dunk" perfect for me to not question it.
I thought so too, but if that's the case, why would they have him "Found" on a McD's after a call from a bystander?*
Doesn't really make the cops look competent, now does it?
*Bystander or McD employee? The news sources seem conflicted on this...
The local police responded and are holding the suspect for NYPD while they travel to interview the suspect.
The US is too good at destroying people's reputation, yeah. This guy is gonna get vilified hard (whether he did it or not).
Already people are at it coming up with reasons not to like this guy. Are we really expecting someone with perfect morals to suddenly come up with a plan to assissinate a CEO, execute it almost flawlessly and flee?
This guy doesn't have to be my friend. I don't really care if he admired right-wingers. Honestly almost everyone (including me) will have goofy stuff that you can bring up to discredit them. Are we not allowed to acknowledge the good that has happened since the shooting because this guy's book review, a deranged college-age tweet, his preppy upbringing or whatever? We can't acknowledge that authorizations have somehow gotten faster and denial rates plummeted? That a shitty restriction on anesthesiologist time was reversed? A national conversation was started on how strangely focused America media is on covering certain stories and aspect of that story compared to others? That for once the radical left and radical right could somehow agree on something?
These are the questions swirling through my head today. My hope is most people will see through the bullshit, and how to actually effect change quickly is to put real pressure on the top of the organization, preferably through non-violent means, in ways that truly remind them they are not immune from the damage they cause in search of ever-increasing profit.
With the whole thing of the monopoly money..I think he wanted to be found to make a statement
He made it all the way to middle-of-nowhere PA, but he was still carrying all the evidence on him? Sounds like they found Spartacus
Yeah the real killer would NEVEr ditch evidence. what a stupid person that would take! /s
This gave me a raging boner
RIP that McDonald's. They just dug their own grave.
It's getting review bombed lol
McDonald's
Edit: Google is removing all reviews from today
Legitimately I would quit if I worked there.
It's not worth working at a place so many hate already, add this on top and I'll be surprised if it doesn't get burned down for association with the employee.
Most people can't afford to quit. This is such a fucking useless comment.
Smh the Burger King keeps the 'g' in G code 🤞 they wouldn't go out like this
The suspect was at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania and was recognized by an employee who then called local police.
I'm accusing parallel construction. The released photos have so little detail that there must be a hundred thousand Americans that match their appearance.
Someone did their Snowden reading:
Parallel construction is a law enforcement process of building a parallel, or separate, evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation in order to limit disclosure as to the origins of an investigation.
In the US, a particular form is evidence laundering, where one police officer obtains evidence via means that are in violation of the Fourth Amendment
De facto illegal and shady as hell, but in use when the (feds especially) want to catch someone, typically via warrantless SIGINT mass surveillance. They’ll do the investigation using dragnets and broad searches through metadata and other means that are illegal and inadmissible in court, then an incredibly convenient cop/witness/informant will appear with information that permits an arrest/search under permissible means - under the hope that the suspect has incriminating evidence.
This is wayyy too convenient to get him, with all the evidence on hand, from a ‘concerned citizen’. We live in a police state, that serves the ruling and moneyed class.
To be fair, the video of the shooter had the upper half of his face.
And the guy they arrested has the upper half of his face.
Although I have the upper half of my face.
Do you have the upper half of your face? If not we can probably rule you out.
Dreamy
Mama mia!
God damn.
As someone said on another site: Cuty McShooty
Would
Why is I Did A Thing not wearing his apron?
Muad'ib lookin' ass
He's pretty cute! See if you can find a picture of his dad.
I want to read his manifesto and support his defence.
'Mein Anspruch'
Fuck the people who reported him.
Damn. I was hoping he’d get away with it.
Theres always next time.
It is always possible they got the wrong guy.
We can only hope
2 days ago the "experts" were telling us how the shooters planning and brains were why he got out of the city so easily. now we're being told that he just happened to have the gun, silencer, fake id, and manifesto all on his person? not a chance, feel bad for this guy who's obviously a scapegoat and just the first similar looking dude they found
This doesn’t even look like him. Eyebrows nose and smile are completely different.
Oh wow. Thank god you are here. You should really go alert the authorities dude.
Jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a Not Guilty verdict even though jurors believe beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant has broken the law. Because the Not Guilty verdict cannot be overturned, and because the jurors cannot be punished for their verdict, the law is said to be nullified in that particular case.
Can you believe Darrell Brooks attempted to argue for jury nullification in his defense? That was a wild trial.
i was watching the live stream when that happened. i laughed out loud when he said that. i would be more willing than most to nullify if i were on a jury and thought the law were wrong, but i would take great pleasure in sending that particular scumbag to prison for the rest of his life
I am normally the first to decry dipshit conspiracy theories. However does anyone else find it interesting that they quickly arrested someone who looks not the same but similar to the released photos, with an untraceable 3d printed gun? That gun gives them the lack of need to prove where it came from and a vague air of suspiciousness. Oooh he wrote a suggestive book review. Case close boys?
I find it hard to believe anyone would not immediately burn the fake ID used to book into the Hostel, which they say he had it on him. I would have burned the coffee cup from before the event too though.
Honestly, I wouldn't have gone to Starbucks or McDonald's (24 year boycott) either, let alone sitting down inside. I'd be in Mexico or Canada. Why would he go back to the state of his alma mater? This doesn't make a lot of sense, and like the wonderful Judge Judy says, "if it doesn't make sense, it's not true". I'm sticking with "scapegoat" until I hear something logical.
Murderers aren't the most mentally stable folks. Like what the hell are you expecting?
LMAO what a reader
They did mention engraved ammo? What are the chances he only engraved three bullets?
Will people be able to make freedom of information requests for the interrogation footage?
Certainly. Anyone can.
Oh I'm sorry, the cameras malfunctioned at the same time the NVR crashed and the redundant backup failed.
Because you want to see them plant the evidence or because you want to watch him get patted down?
Plant what evidence?
It looks like the guy was caught with the weapon and the fake ids used during his stay in NY.
Why is there so much talk about a fall guy? They have the guy, he has a manifesto. If the police had the gun and fake ids then they would have got them off the real guy so no need for a fall guy.
Looking at pictures of Luigi he looks like the dude in the other photos and I’m sure in time he’ll tell us why he did it.
There is no need for a conspiracy here, and frankly I find it baffling why you would think this is a frame up.
Edit: I guess we will all see when the dude speaks up in court.
He's an ivy league kid with wealthy parents, he's not talking to anyone, those people know to immediately lawyer up and keep your mouth shut
He apparently has a manifesto. Dude wants to talk about what he believes and is willing to kill over.
Luigi better shut the fuck up
I wish him a very merry mistrial JURY NULLIFICATION.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ
Nah, mistrial means he can get tried again at a later date.
Wish him a very happy not guilty verdict via JURY NULLIFICATION
Doesn't look like remotely the same person as those photos
Oh we have a fucking expert here.
I am. I've been looking at human faces for over 35 years. I've learned to tell many of them apart.
This is what happens when you pay people minimum wage with shitty benefits. Those folks are looking for a quick buck and the informant will mostly likely receive $50k.
No, they won't. The whole point is the plebs get nothing.
There goes my hero....
How are people this dense? Oh because you have all the information that the public doesn't have and you can 100% rule this out. Jesus fucking Christ.
To all the people who say he's just a suspect, unfortunately they have good evidence against him, our only hope now is a jury of our peers.
Bro the photo they have and the guy in the car aren't even the same skintone.. also we censor the word "gun" in News ARticles now? I fucking hate you Youtube.
That's easy enough to explain. The camera white balance might not have been the same, not to mention they might have been saved with different color profiles.
Damn, shoulda gone through the drive through.
He needs to say something to the public. Like "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country." I don't know where I got that from. Probably read it on the Internet or something.
"Remember, if you admit you knowing what Jury Nullification is during selection, you wont be picked."
I certainly don't know what it is.
Never heard of it. Never seen a show with it, never read a book on it, or read up on it online.
In fact, those two words together? I ain't seen them like that ever, and I'm pretty sure it ain't English. Just like this guy, I ain't seen him do it. Ain't him.
Hmm. Sounds like bullshit with how much "evidence" they "found".
I wonder if some hotshot lawyer might want to take his case as a challenge and help acquit him. Depending on the circumstances, he could have a chance. Might make for an interesting legal case study, at least.
Tbh, I hate that this poor kids life took this turn, and he felt the need to do this. I guarantee you that more than half the people he stood up for, won’t be standing up for him.
Uhhh “my client is fuckin’ rad” is not a legal defense.
Maybe not in the technical sense, but if the jury is on board they could absolutely use that as justification to implement jury nullification of a guilty verdict.
You know, I think he would have been more rad if he had amassed enough wealth or resources to make a difference for things he cares about. Musk basically showed us that you can buy American democracy for $250M.
He’s from a very wealthy connected family that is well known in the area. His attorneys will be top tier
cant be all that bright if he still had anything used in ny on his person.
Right?!? Bro should have ditched all his shit in central park and swapped his color palette from black/gray to brown right down to his shoes
Out in public too at peak fame.
Was the gun in the shooting a ghost gun? Either way, ghost guns can be illegal independently of their connection to a shooting, so he's likely gonna get it for that if nothing else. But yeah, if it is the same gun, definitely should have destroyed that bad boy immediately.
The pictures they released previously had 2 to 3 different jackets, and 2 different backpacks, yet somehow he ditched all of that and not the incriminating stuff? Seems strange
Nah that ain't him.
Edit: Looking at photos they had on ABC NY article and this guy? Unless they get him to plead guilty or otherwise confess, which they totally could do, it actually really might not be him.
I don’t condone murder. I also do not feel inclined to prioritize his punishment
Were there other pictures circulating? I don't get how they could recognise him instantly... or at all based off the pictures I've seen.
After Mangione provided his real name and birth date, he was taken into custody on charges of forgery and false identification to law enforcement, court documents say.
Tell me its not illegal to possess a false ID and present it to a private corporation like a hotel, for privacy, right?
My understanding is this is only a crime when presenting it to police or other State official
He presented the fake ID to police when they first questioned him.
Allegedly. Cops have been known to lie.
Doesn't look anything like the pictures the cops spread
there's no way this is the guy. if he gets convicted it'll be because cops and DAs want the case closed at all costs because it's so high profile.
welp seems like this is him
Public appeasement plant 🪴
Doesn’t that imply it was the public that needed to be appeased? lol
Alright that guy’s gonna get the most ripped statue ever
Looks like the dude had back pain, healthcare provier wouldnt pay to get it fixed so he took revenge.
Bruh you burn that shit the moment you're in the clear. Even your average armchair revolutionary knows that.
I would love to see a massive boycott of MacDonald everywhere (at least in the US), I am surprised that this hasn't come up somewhere online yet. That would be powerful signal IMO
There are plenty of reasons to boycott McDonald's, but some low level employee calling the cops is that for you? Do you think corporate told him to or something?
Classic case of a smug Lemmy libs looking for the most extreme reaction to a situation
It just feels too perfect. Its probably a copycat, could be a faked arrest though. If it is a copycat there is a pretty high chance law enforcement just won't care, and will treat him as if he was the assassin
ITT conspiracy theories abound already.
Listen, it says a lot that someone must have recognised him from circumstance and eyebrows. They did not squeal.
Hero
Important lessons here kids. Just sayin'
ITT: a bunch of lemmings who apparently aren’t big fans of law and order.
You make any society worse, you asshats.
Found the CEO alt.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
Careful, .world admins don't like people mentioning jury nullification
You mean that very legal and factually-suppprted facet of the American justice system that every juror should be informed about before making a decision in court?
They revised mod policy to only hand out bans/deletions if jury nullification was referenced as a cause to vilence, not a reaction o past events. I'm paraphrasing, of course.
We should all completely cease talking about it. It, of course being jury nullification.
Good time to switch away from .world
To clarify, the admins have updated their views in reaction to this week and user feedback:
They specifically said it's okay in reference to crimes already committed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
What is the reasoning? Is there any?
You really think every person in real life goes ahead with supporting this murder just because you heard enough people online repeating this in this echo chamber?
No. Everybody knows that some people stand up for mass murderers, so long as they do it by enough proxy layers.
Plenty of people betray society for want of looking down on others
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
It goes well beyond any one echo chamber, I still have Xitter and peruse TikTok from time to time. It was/is everywhere across the political spectrum
Yeah, they seem to...
Bro there are Ben Shapiro watchers mad at him for shilling for big corporate interests in the reporting over this story. They agree with the killer too lol