Conservative parent is sad his daughters aren't coming for thanksgiving after voting for Trump
Originally posted on https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/1h10tef/a_lot_of_lonely_magas_throwing_themselves_a_pity/
"I openly voted against the interests of my own children and also openly claim they have a mental disorder for their views."
Get fucked.
These people really are clueless. No appreciation at all for how their actions affect others. They get surprised when people stop putting themselves in harms way by simply not being around them.
Want your family back? Realize that what you think is some free speech populist revolution is just an excuse for a lot of people to be assholes and expect no consequences.
to be fair, democrats think voting for trump is a mental illness too.
not on anyone's side here, just pointing out the hypocrisy
It's not that Trumpism is a mental illness, more like you need to have a mental illness to be a Trump supporter.
Hypocrisy is clutching your pearls and virtue signalling "Christian conservative values" while worshipping a "grab-em-by-the-pussy" false-profit who is the closest thing to the antichrist in living memory.
So yeah, only one of those groups has a literal mental illness, and they are also the hypocrites.
I let them vote how they wish
How wholesome
Isn't he generous.
That was the word I was thinking of but couldn't find.
Bless his heart.
That's all you need to know about this shit stain.
But they certainly can't do what they want with their own body! Why won't they talk to me?? 😭
"I didn't personally infringe on their rights at all"
All while voting against their interests. Sounds like a wonderful father.
That stuck out the most
Or he’s making it up.
I made my mother cry because she voted for Trump and I expressed my disapproval. She called my sister, who also voted for Harris, and my sister made her cry a second time.
We’re all having dinner tomorrow and we won’t bring up politics.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.
If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.
They bring it up and end up having a bad day, that’s on them. We simply agree to avoid politics and religion. It’s not that hard.
Edit: We’re doomed. We really are.
Unfortunately, my continued existence is labeled as "politics" so no, someone who voted against my rights to exist is not my family anymore.
One of my family members voted against my wife's freedoms, he's not family us anymore.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics
It's really not. Politics determine your opinions and intentions regarding human rights and its violations. If my dad votes for Robodolf Mechahitler, he's not my dad anymore. Someone voting for Trump would likely betray their own daughter when Gilead rises. If they wouldn't, their vote is a contradiction to their character. I wouldn't take something like this lightly.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
Right? Which is why the person in the original post shouldn't have voted for the guy that wants to take away the rights of his daughters. By voting for Trump, he chose politics over family, not his daughters.
It’s fucking stupid to turn your back on your family over politics.
I think my mom made a stupid decision. Oh well. She thinks I made a stupid decision.
If your politics define you so much that you abandon your people or you’re not disciplined enough to keep your mouth shut at family events where you’ll convince no one, that’s on you.
Yes. It is fucking stupid.
But you know what's worse? Supporting a political party over your daughters, who are facing the very real possibility they will have to die simply because of a miscarriage, or no longer having the right to vote. That they will be forced to carry the baby of their rapist. that their daughters may no be entitled to an education- even the shitty ones now provided- the same way they were.
Facing those threats... because you voted for that political party.
They're not staying away, or "turning their back" on family because of politics. They're doing so because his politics objectively suck and absolutely will bring harm to them and millions like them. (that is. women. Not to mention racial minorities, immigrants, anyone whose different from the white, cisgendered, conservative male arch type.)
It's absolutely not stupid to turn your back on family because of politics.
It's not a sports team, it's conscious decisions that affect the law and how we are governed.
God damn. I find centrists to be spineless pussies of the highest order.
You aren't the voice of reason you think you are.
I guarantee the same exact shit was happening in the 1930s. People being disgusted that their family members would side with fascism and turn on mentally ill, Jewish, and gays.
Would you say the same thing about Germans turning on their family? Both leaders fought for turning their country into a fascist dictatorship best strips liberties from certain people only
Drag wishes there were fewer people in the world willing to set aside politics for family. People like that are destroying the world.
"I voted for the idea that women aren't people, now the women in my life don't like me."
Conservatives never learn anything. It’s part of why they’re conservative in the first place. They don’t grow, expand their minds, or learn from life. They hit a point where they harden and ruin relationships.
I mean the point of conservatism is to "not change", or "conserve" the old ways. Learning by definition means understanding new ideas which may even lead to trying new things, aka trying to "progress", a leftist idea.
"I let them"
Dudes showing internally he thinks he controls their votes. That he could've not let them had he chosen so.
So his daughters should be thankful for such a benevolent patriarch. /S
Well it's kind of semantics. The symbolism behind this is not the hill you'd want to die on. Letting somebody do something can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it. I hate Trump and his low IQ followers, but that sentence does not imply anything.
can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it
Exactly.
When I go take a shit, did you allow it, or not disallow it? Neither, because you have no agency over me, so it'd be a stupid fucking sentence.
I'm not saying he thinks he owns his daughters like some 16th century inbred minor noble.
But connotations and implications can exist even when they weren't particularly intentional by the writer (or speaker.)
You are contriving crap out of thin air here.
"Now I have been informed that all three children are boycotting thanksgiving".
Hmm, maybe it has something to do with shit talking them on twitter. Maybe, and this is just a guess, the family gatherings are not politics free zones but full of conspiracies and drama and more shit talking. Just a guess. But none of this is his fault, it's those damn brainwashed libruls who are spoiling his fun. Now how is he going to do his trump victory lap if his daughters stay away?
Pretty sure they're not boycotting thanksgiving and just boycotting him. They'll probably have the best thanksgiving together in years.
Chuds don't deserve love or respect from anybody.
Conservatives seem to have this weird belief that if they tried something and failed, then everything should be as if they never tried at all. Like, "attempted murder" just isn't a thing in their eyes.
Maybe it's just how their fragile egos handle not winning everything always.
Like, "attempted murder" just isn't a thing in their eyes.
“You see, Birch, I'm presently incarcerated for a crime I didn’t even commit! ‘Attempted murder.’ Ha! Now, honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?!” - Sideshow Bob from the episode of The Simpsons where he literally becomes the Republican mayoral candidate after calling into a right wing talk radio show.
When Trump won and starting talking about how unlikely it was, I half-expected him to break out into evil laughter ala Sideshow Bob in this scene. Which certainly would have been more honest.
The love the fucking around, but they want to eliminate the finding out
They don't win everything always?
With lines like "[your political opinion] is a mental disorder", why is he surprised they aren't coming?
what would you call trump voters?
I'd call Trump voters Trump voters. I'm not sure I understand the question.
Touché
It's kinda sad that we ended up in this political division. It's also sad that increasing hate and and anxiety (and missing education and reasoning) fuels this dumpfire of societal development. That doesn't really increase hope in the future, as stuff like climate change further accelerates this...
Your dinner, their choice
Well, golly gee, he "let" his independent, grown-ass adult offspring vote for the candidate of their own choosing. I can't imagine why they'd spurn him after such selfless and generous act.
The vice president elect said people with kids should get more votes. The next step in that slippery slope is to have control of your grown-ass kid's votes until they know how to "vote properly".
Slightly off topic:
When my parents divorced, I was bummed out that I had to attend two thanksgiving dinners. The second was not turkey. We charred hot dogs over an open fire (lived in the midwest at the time) and made smores. It was pretty great.
This had nothing to do with the election. It's just a nice memory.
bummed out that I had to attend two thanksgiving dinners
I'm not skinny enough to understand this sentiment
Check out this random story from some guy.
I don't know why my memory of hot dogs on an open fire and smores doesn't appeal to you. We're different.
I, too, choose this guy's second dinner.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder" These people are very telling how they treat people who they think legitimately have mental illness.
Conservatives 🤝 Liberals
"The political positions I dislike are caused by mental illness"
Socialists: "Hey guys maybe we could try not denigrating mental disorders? Maybe we could try building a left wing that welcomes and accepts the neurodivergent and marginalised?
Liberals: "Fuck you, we'll never accept psychopaths like Trump!"
Socialists: "I never agreed with you that Trump is a psychopath. We don't have to accept Trump in order to treat ASPD folks with dignity!"
Liberals: "You're disgusting, enabling abusers like that. If we treat psychopaths with basic dignity, they'll only use it to abuse us!"
Yeah, that definitely sounds like a real conversation.
The name of that socialist? Albert Einstein.
And everyone clapped.
Words like psychopath have a common usage for people not in psychology/psychiatry. I'm sorry that we're not meeting the clinical definition that you want, but I don't think ranting about it all over Lemmy is going to help anything.
When the average nonspecialist individual thinks "psychopath" they think of someone like Hannibal Lecter, who is dangerous and must be locked up to prevent them harming others, and that's not going to change from a short form text post. It would take a semester of psychology.
If I was told this by someone in private I would at least be sympathetic, but blasting your children in a public forum is like yelling in walmart. I just can’t view you as any semblance of a good person if you’re publically taking the “eternal victim” stance.
Like, the expected outcome for this rube is that an echo chamber shits on his kids. Gee I wonder why his kids don’t like him, must be mental illness.
The dad's comment strongly resembles a lot of posts that I've seen where people say that their kids won't talk to them anymore. They always leave out the most relevant information and act like some lesser thing is the actual problem. They may do it intentionally or unintentionally. It may be narcissism. It may be an inability to face reality. It may be that they always minimize their children.
But if you hear from the daughters, it will likely not simply be that he voted for Trump. We're missing out on entire lifetimes of context. There will be a lot of discussions leading up to that point. There will be a refusal to hear the children out. There will likely be a long history of emotional abuse.
And then, the last straw probably won't even be his vote for Trump, but some terrible behavior that he exhibited afterwards. These parents then go online and make up some story that lets them be the victim. You can't say for sure that this is the case, but nowhere in his post does he even try to acknowledge any specific things that his daughters said.
It's the missing missing reasons
“Allowed”.
Think I found the “nice guy” underlying reasons.
"I let them vote how they wish"
Does he think not committing voter intimidation is some noteworthy deed?
Idk who needs to hear this but:
Your children don’t owe you self assurance, if they chose to cut contact with you fully then that’s their right.
I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. You're related to a couple who have a son who went no contact, but it had nothing to do with politics or abuse? I'm not sure how that maps onto this situation.
I know some people who have gone no contact due to manipulative dynamics, though the parents refuse to acknowledge they've ever done anything wrong. E.g. financial manipulation, or refusing to use their child's preferred pronouns. I feel like if the parents apologized, acknowledged the problem, and made a commitment to change it would make everyone happier. Not sure how that applies to your story, but that's been my experience.
Said the man who made his political opinion his whole twitter profile.
"I just supported taking away your rights. Why are you mad at meeeeee????"
To be fair, he might have not supported taking their rights... he might have just loved a rapist, criminal so much he was willing to overlook taking away their rights.
Ah the classic:
"Your behaviour has harmed me, so I do not wish to see you anymore"
"No, wrong, it is YOUR behaviour in saying this that has harmed ME"
You know, I'm not sure I believe that "PDX Conservative" keeps all of his political beliefs to himself and didn't argue with his kids about their political beliefs. Given his tweet with over 200K views, it seems to me like Mr. conserve_p may be understating his willingness to loudly declare his political opinions to anyone who will listen including to his liberal children that he is publicly calling rude and childish.
It's simple - they hate others more than they love their kids.
They hate their kids more than they love their kids too.
This is so sad.
Those three women deserve a better dad.
Lol he said his kids have a mental disorder and expects them to keep talking to him.
It's not necessarily about his vote, it's about what it presents. His enthusiasm shows not only is he okay with Trump and his associated behaviour, he's actively advocating for it.
And considering how Trump treats women, anyone who can look their own daughters in the eye and advocate for that POS doesn't deserve them in his life.
Boycotting Thanksgiving organizing an asshole free Thanksgiving
Ftfy
"Childish and rude".
Kinda reminds me of someone.
Oh nonononono - you see, when Trump does it, he gets the good words: HE is "good at nicknames", "strong" and "tells it like it is". When anybody Trump doesn't like does the exact same thing, then they are being childish, rude and it is altogether absolutely inacceptable.
Interesting that he phrased it as liberalism.
Visceral proof that conservatism is a legitimate mental disorder. Good on the kids, they’ll very likely have the outstanding thanksgiving they deserve.
All he had to do was acknowledge their differences and keep his mouth shut. That’s the rule in my family. Someone brings up politics and we say, “let’s not do that.” and move on. If they insist, they end up on the porch alone, grumbling to themselves.
I've always thought this was one of the most dangerous ideas ever to gain widespread acceptance, and we are currently seeing exactly why. If somebody's politics are so terrible that civil discussion is impossible, why on earth would you want to associate with them? This is how we coddle terrible ideas and let them quietly fester with a vanier veneer of false civility. The seeds of MAGA should never have been allowed to take root.
merely because they believe my one vote...
He thinks his vote doesn't contribute or something?
Conservatives think consequences are extremely unfair. Everything is an act of god to them.
General Grant would not approve
I was about to say, General Grant annihilated the confederacy then President Grant tore apart the first KKK. He would probably beat the shit out of this member of the forth KKK.
It isn't because he voted a certain way. It's because the person he supports and his followers make his daughters less safe. The person he supports is a rapist and by supporting him you tacitly condone rape. And the more people look the other way the more accepted it becomes. Your daughter's aren't in danger because of some migrants, your daughter's are in danger because weirdo men want to control their bodies to the point that they'll let your daughter's die to save a fetus. Whether or not you, the father, personally believe these things, you are empowering those that do. You are making the world a more scary and less safe place for your daughters.
Yeah, no wonder they don't want to associate with you. I wouldn't either
The leopards, they hunger
Leopards after January
Everyone else:
Yeah sure the daughters fell for the propaganda
As much as I want to boycott my parents thanksgiving dinner, my dad is almost 80 and I only got so many days left to even hang out with him. Plus my mom is cool so I got that going for me.
It's misled, not mislead, you absolute potato brain.
That is no way to besmirch innocent Irish and Latvians.
Bro is just out there dodgeing metal.
"Why do they call him Boris the Bullet Dodger?"
Yikes bro. Teach with love.
I’m torn on that tbh.
Hurt doesn’t heal hurt but on the other hand is rewarding disgusting behavior the way forward?
The family members who supported turning half of us into subhuman citizens don’t deserve business as usual.
History doesn’t care why germans voted in hitler in the 1930s, be it economic anxiety or hate for minorities, they’re just nazis.
God I kind of wish my parents would vote for Trump so I could avoid Thanksgiving and take the days off to get other shit done.
Isn't that Grant from ACW? Not american, but how does that work with a union general and MAGA?
They're convinced the party flip never happened and their race based white Christian nationalist bullshit is "patriotic".
Grant, who put in more effort than any other president would for the next 70 years to create a more racially equal government, appointing numerous minorities into government positions and advocating for a purely secular school system, free of Christianity or any other religion.
He'd be decried as a woke DEI liberal globalist if conservatives actually knew anything about the past.
Well you see, in order to throw America away for a traitor felon, you have to brain damaged enough to believe the union busters lies about helping unions.
If liberalism is a mental disorder than neoliberalism is a new mental disorder that is so bizarre it doesn't even have a definition yet.
womp womp
Doesn't sound sad to me 🤷♂️
If more women had held men accountable for this shit over the last 8~ years he wouldn't have been reelected. Don't tolerate these POS'.
I have to ask, are there conservatives in PDX?
Sure. Oregon was initially established by white supremacists. It has an old culture of racism deep in its bones.
Plently of racist shitheads all over, even in liberal enclaves like portland.
Sigh.
Might find this interesting: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/
FAFO
I think this story is fake. Its too perfect and his response is too sensible to be a real person. too much irony here to bear.
Yeah looks like ragebait. And a pretty effective one.
Sad that elections tear families apart. And that goes for all sides making discussions like this. The moment you stop dialogue you stop the change you want to make. Both pathetic and sad, I hope for a future of coexistance in American families.
At this point cutting toxic people out of your life is going to be important to try and keep your mental health up.
My father voted trump in 2016, and again in 2020. I have had a “dialogue” going with him about it since 2016. In 2020 my mother moved out. He said that was the worst day of his life. I furthered the dialogue and he put his foot down, not wanting any more political discussions. The day after Election Day he was celebrating the win while listening to the Woodie Guthrie protest music I got him for his birthday. I tried to explain the irony to him, and that was the last time I have spoken to him.
Pretty obvious that this guy is a stupid asshole, so makes sense. Congrats to his daughters for telling him to fuck himself. I had a parent who said incredibly stupid shit like the “liberalism is a mental disorder” line I would not talk to them either.
His daughters are victims of powerful propaganda. It's sad but they'll get over it eventually.
The right denying women's bodily autonomy is propaganda?
Username definitely checks out...
Right? The real news are on Twitter, you should go back there with your people.
I can understand beef between third party voters and Biden/Harris folks. For the life of me, I cannot understand the beef between Harris and Trump voters.
Their platforms were nearly identical. They’re both genocide supporters. And pretending Harris would’ve been better on reproductive rights has no basis in reality. Biden/Harris have refused every call for them to use federal workarounds to grant abortion access to those in red states, but we’re supposed to believe she would’ve suddenly done something about it after election?
At least the Trumpers are openly fascist maniacs. Dem voters are not being honest with themselves about what they’ve been supporting.
After reading my tweet, the turkey escaped from the oven. The whole animal kingdom is sick. It's sad.
“My kids don’t want to hang out with me after I dismissed their opinions as a mental disorder and the party I voted for tries to control their bodies! Why must I suffer? I didn’t do anything to them directly! These kids today are so unfaaaair!”
What a jackass.
I hope his kids have a great holiday. Good on them for standing up for their beliefs.
Shocking his three daughters don’t support a felon who publicly brags about sexually assaulting women and wanting to bang his daughter.