Does anyone else think the NYPD photos of the UHC CEO shooting suspect don’t match?

I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?

I sure as fuck wouldn't. I know enough not to come anywhere near the police if they're scrutinizing me for any reason, even if I know 100% I'm innocent and I can prove it. You absolutely cannot trust them not to just arrest you and railroad you into a bullshit conviction anyway, or plant some evidence, or decide "he had a knife" and just outright kill you. You know how they say "anything you say can be used against you?" That's because they absolutely won't use it to help you, even if you're not guilty of anything.

I am positive city hall is breathing down the NYPD's neck real hard right now. The entire department has got a lot of egg on its face for not being able to stop this guy, not being able to positively identify this guy, hell, not even know with any certainty where he went afterwards. They are under immense pressure to hang somebody -- anybody -- over this because they're looking even more like chumps than usual.

So no, a wise man would not expose himself to the cops in any way whatsoever.

The cops need to present a suspect so they can say they did their job. Whether it's the right suspect is another matter.
- Yep, if something like this can happen, it might not be the best idea to go to the police:
  Man pressured to confess he killed his dad. His dad was alive and well [3:40]
- They only care that the forms are filed. They don't care if they are filed with correct information.
- We did it, ~~reddit~~ NYPD!
And if the cops do ask and want to pursue questioning you .... you don't talk to the cops in this situation and just ask for a lawyer ... they ask what your name is - lawyer ... what is your date of birth - lawyer ... where are you from? lawyer ... lawyer, lawyer, lawyer
Never talk to the cops, especially when the cops are desperately looking for a suspect.
- Don't ask. Tell them to get you your lawyer.
Is it "shut the fuck up" Friday?
https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
https://youtu.be/uqo5RYOp4nQ
- It is ALWAYS "shut the fuck up" Friday.
- Was about to send that first link. Glad someone beat me to it.
Fair point. I suspect that the NYPD doesn’t really want to bring him in alive.
- A dead suspect checks the boxes. Can't dispute facts with evidence. Allows the media to say they got him. Gives them an easy victory.
Never talk to the police, there are many reasons why
This is sound advice. There are too many bad actors among cops to trust them to be impartial or fair.
Making a murderer is all you have to see to know this is the truth. I feel so bad for that family.
- Yes! A real eye opener for me!
I bet they stop releasing info because of the public reaction. At this poiny, they want us to forget and not have copycats. They're scared.
Required viewing
Especially just murdering you. Lot harder to get a corpse to testify that they didn't do it. Makes it a LOT easier to say "well, they did it, but they're dead now, case closed."
- Just imagine this is green text.
  Nab the wrong guy
  Shoot him in the back 53 times while screaming "stop resisting!"
  Investigate ourselves, find no wrongdoing
  "Case closed, boys!"
  ...
  Police chief gets got by The Adjuster the next day...
Storm troopers murder these kinds of people rather than expose the injustice system.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/909515885/protester-suspected-in-portland-shooting-death-killed-by-law-enforcement

Have we ruled out the CEO being a crisis actor?

I mean, how do we really know he didn't just push himself out of a window? 🤔
Isn't this part just 4 pictures of the CEO? Sure looks like him.

Definately 7' 8" female. Asian descent. Bald. Possible Alopecia. Dwarfism.

8 foot dwarves
TIL we're Amazonians
with a strong German accent
- Some innocent Bavarian farm woman is currently being arrested thanks to you two. As if she didn't have it hard enough.
- He does actually look European to me, who knows though
I remember she had a hook, wearing a captains hat with a parrot in his shoulder.

Backpack & jacket type AND color are all different. The other dude even has his hood from a hoodie beneath the jacket while the first one has his hood from his jacket. Facially also completely different. I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.

I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.
Maybe they have always been at Reddit doxxing levels?
The killer seems pretty competent, having multiple jackets and backpacks and switching things up to make it harder to track him doesn't seem unreasonable.
- Having two dudes wearing similar stuff also doesn’t sound unreasonable. It’s really inconclusive and could do a shit ton of harm to an innocent person if the police got this wrong.
- I mean, surely you'd bring clothes that look a bit different, though...? As far as I'm able to tell, the only notable similarity between the two is that the clothes look superficially similar...
- And what proof do you have of the killer doing that? The only reason they posted the other dude is because he has a vaguely similar outfit style (backpack + hood, which is incredibly common among younger people, especially during this type of weather). If I were the killer I'd not switch into similar clothes, but something completely different.
- I thought you were joking (missing /s) but judging by the comments you mean it?
  I don't think this sounds plausible, no. You'd try to make yourself look completely every time if that were the case.

Everyone keeps saying look at this photo of the suspect. All I see is an image that won’t load.

Weird.

Oh really? The image loads for me, but I certainly didn't see anything.
- Some say it was John Cena
- Maybe the perp is wearing camouflage? I've also had trouble making anything out.

Doesn't look like anything to me.

I was curious when I was hearing the police chatter saying the suspect was wearing a "cream-coloured" jacket, when in the assassination footage it's pretty undeniably black or a dark colour at least.

I heard he was wearing a ~~white and gold~~ blue and black coat.
- He probably spun around ~~counter~~clockwise, but if you focus a lot it might have been the other direction
- I heard that he's an ethereal being from another dimension that has already faded away from our plane of existence so the police is wasting its time looking for him and should close the case.
Two different colored backpacks too
The fabric looks different too. Like the shooter’s jacket seems to have a texture like gore-tex and the hostel guy’s jacket seems more like a cotton-poly weave. It’s hard to know for sure with the low quality images, but the colors look really different (and neither is anything close to cream)
- The pockets are alone to give away that Hostel guy is wearing a "field jacket" cotton blend while Agent 47 is wearing a ECWCS cold/wet weather top. He could have two jackets and all that but they're different jackets.
Never underestimate how actively worthless "eyewitness" testimony is.
I was not aware of this detail. But if it were just bystanders telling stuff to cops before they got a hold of the footage, they are going to go with it. Especially since it is already pretty worthless to begin with (so many jackets are easily reversed).
It's not blue and black! It's white and gold!!!

Different bag. Different jacket.

Yeah, these are obviously different. All kinds of visible differences. Pockets, color of bag, strap sizes, no string on hood, lapel looks different, one looks more like a hoodie with a jacket, the other looks like a jacket with a hood... Just doesn't match very well at all.
That doesn’t mean it’s not the same person. It means they have more jackets and bags. If I was going to murder someone I too might bring extras so I can get changed afterwards.
To be clear I hope they don’t catch this guy, but I’m just being real.
- I'd do two bags in two separate locations with different changes of clothes in each. whichever bag I went would depend on what the circumstances afterwards were.

The clothing color could be due to lighting. Remember the blue black dress meme? Multiple backpacks is too easy. So that's a non-issue.

That being said. Why isn't anyone considering that maybe the cops couldn't give a shit either. But they have to try because the money people said so.

I don’t think lighting makes a light grey backpack into black. That’s a bit of a stretch. Especially considering the jacket on the left have no chest pockets. The one on the right has massive pocket flaps like they are the main character.
- thank you! where did he stash the other jacket, and if he did why would he pick one of same colour and type?
They'll happily jail an innocent person so they can avoid looking incompetent.
- It's more than incompetent. It's that they can't get caught. That there is a way to execute and not be held accountable. If that knowledge hits the masses it's a public relations nightmare.
How do you explain the different pockets and completely different backpack, then?
Cops are fucking pigs in america.
- Poor pigs getting fucked by cops.
blue black dress meme
You mean the gold/white dress meme?

CNN and others just put the photos out without verification. No official photos have been released. CNN even said as much in their article

That's pretty fucking irresponsible
- "Hi we're CNN. We don't really have reporters. We regurgitate random shit we find on social media. Liberal, conservative... Suck my dick we're CNN and we're always just fucking there butching reality so you stay angry and we stay relevant. Fuck you."
- That's pretty much how most modern, corporate news outlets operate: irresponsibly.
- "There was a shooting! Police are looking for the suspect! PICTURE OF A CLOWN WITH A GUN HONK HONK"
Well that sucks.
Also, can't stop thinking about that episode of The Newsroom with Boston marathon bombing. 10 years since it aired and this shit is only getting worse.

NYC cops are dumb as hell.

I mean, typically I’d agree with you, but there’s a small chance that this is smarter than a lot of people are initially thinking (but still fucked up none the less) … maybe someone at NYPD found a video / picture of a dude that they know was not the dude. Maybe they have evidence that the guy in this picture in the green jacket is 100% innocent. Maybe they arrest him, his lawyer gets him out and they all of a sudden have no leads at all. Cold case.

These are not the same person. They fit the description, and where near the scene. Police would want to talk to both regardless.

These all look like different people with photos from different places at different times of the day. Probably their AI matched them and the coppers just had a quick glance, then put them on this panel.

Honestly, I doubt the person who shot him would actually be mad at being caught. He might've started a movement.

He might've started a movement.
I really dislike the hero worship going on. For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
He's not getting caught. The whole thing was obviously planned well. Never mind the professional technique and all that gun stuff, no, just consider the fact that he knew where and when to do it. How the hell did he track down the whereabouts of some relatively unknown CEO on a public street? That shows that the attack was carefully planned and of course any good plan includes an escape.
- It's the manifesto he left and that he did it on the security camera.
  This assassin did this with extreme precision and enough awareness that he knew the camera was there.
  It wasn't a hired hit. This was a statement.
- For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
  It doesn't matter what he is, who he is, or what he believes. He could be a nazi from the US taliban who thinks healthcare is the devils work and wants to kill every healthcare CEO for spreading hell on earth, or any other crazy shit. People would shrug and still say he did the right thing. They hate him as a person, but the action of killing a CEO itself could galvanize people to start attacking millionaires, billionaires, wallstreet people, bankers, CEOs, etc.

The assassin looks like he is wearing a black windbreaker style jacket and the other guy looks like he is wearing a cream colored dickies jean jacket with the grey hood like you get from walmart

Steal his look at a reasonable price!
- But wait! There's more!
Agreed. I would call the Dickies style barn jacket tan rather than cream though.

The first back pack is white. The second one is very dark white almost black. The first jacket has white buttons, the second jacket has dark white buttons almost black. The first jacket has buttons, the second one looks like a special kind of button where the buttons on one side intermesh with the buttons on the otherwise in a zigzag pattern... I bet those have a name like zigzaper or zigper, who knows.

The first one is a dark brown or green zip up with a built in hood, the second one is a green button up over a hoodie.
They're barely similar. The NYPD has too much of nothing.
It's like these:

Wow. Dark haired male in dark hooded jacket and back pack. Rare. I see slightly less than 30 such most days.

They will find someone that roughly fits the description and he won't make it to jail alive... Case closed nothing to see here... Or something entirely different may happen..

Or something entirely different may happen..
We got fuckin' Nostradamus over here 😂
- Or perhaps we have a person who is sick and tired of having accounts blocked and I hedge my language with some lawyer talk...

These are all different people, and two of the images look fake.

it’s honestly laughable, im race blind but also they are obviously of entirely different ethnic origin IMHO
- What is race blind?

Well I'm terrible at this game because all 4 of those look like different people

The nose I can go either way on. It looks "different" to me but wearing a mask and not grinning makes a huge difference there (it is why you are told to not smile for ID photos). The eyebrows are more a function of angle and resolution as you can see some darkness on the left (and he is obviously scowling and not flirting with a cute desk girl).

As for the jacket and backpack? Too lazy to look up the backpack models (people figured it out) but the one on the left looks small enough to fit in the one on the right. So he has his backpack for travel and then a smaller one full of gun and snacks and whatever else for the stakeout.

I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?

Never talk to the cops without a lawyer and NEVER voluntarily talk to them.

Also? The cops are going to find SOMEONE in the next week or so. And you can be damned sure they are going to take advantage of all of the news and social media about how this is a skilled hitman fighting for the loss of a loved one who WILL NOT BE TAKEN ALIVE. They'll corner whoever they can pin it on, shoot them a few times, and then plant a gun and call it a day.

Agreed. I think he could’ve changed clothes to throw the investigators in for a loop
- It's the smart thing to do and pretty basic evasion tactic that I know I learned from a kids book about spies when I was a kid.
  My guess is, he road the ebike to Central Park (known fact), ran into a restroom to quick change, probably did something to modify his appearance then continued off blending into the crowd, probably leaving the city on public transit to further anonymise himself.
  Another tactic mentioned in that same kids spy book was to put something distracting like a bandage on your face so it's harder for witnesses to remember your face, they'll just remember there was a big bandage on the cheek or whatever. I've never heard of people actually using that tactic so I do have to wonder if there's a pitfall there that's not immediately obvious

How do they explain the bag changing colors?

You can own more than one bag?
- Guys planning a quick and carefully planned get away, so most likely traveling light with only what he needs. But yeah, of course he'll bring two bags.
Hes a chameleon

I’m thinking they’re gonna arrest Timothy Chalamet any moment now

If they are the same person they may have two jackets that are very similar but slightly different and two different backpacks. Someone on top of opsec or paranoid having lots of easily changeable looks would make sense. Although ideally you would want different colored jackets. It could also be that the camera quality isn't good enough for the details in the jacket to show up and they only have two backpacks. It does really look like the two pictures on the right could be someone different with a similar jacket to the two pictures on the left though.

Smiling guy is a patsy they'll try to hang for this to help other CEOs sleep peacefully on their second yachts at night after a long day of forcing 5 day a week return to office mandates for overworked employees with "leadership" emails sent remotely from Saint-Tropez.

Weird thing is, neither of these photos has the guy... they already know the man responsible for this and many other deaths, his name was Brian Thompson.

I hope it's not the whole gold/blue dress thing all over again.

However, I read in another post one might just be someone they want to question to get to the master assassin.

I saw a comment on another site where someone said the NYPD confirmed that the “ person of interest” is not the suspected shooter, but no one could produce a link confirming that assertion. The news anchors are all phrasing it like he’s the suspected shooter, which is fucked. Some ding dong in the PD’s gonna shoot a dude that they need for questioning (if they manage to find him when the whole city saw nothing)

auto white balance in cheap digital video camera changes color appearances dramatically in different types of light bulbs

that would be my first guess/answer

edit: nevermind

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/08/g-s1-37361/nypd-releases-2-new-photos-of-man-sought-in-killing-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo

Accounting for that, the hostel guy seems to have a rucksack or similar. They're quite distinct and notable bags. If it's not actually a rucksack, it's something with similar design elements, maybe a knockoff, since rucksacks tend to be rather expensive.
Rucksacks are popular with people who hike/move around a lot, the kind of people who would stop at a hostel for a night before moving on to another area/location/city/country, usually by non-typical means (hiking, walking, hitch hiking, etc).
That's just the personality type for one such person who would use such a combination of products, and by no means should describe, or imply a description, of the individual illustrated in the image. My entire point to saying any of this is that it's a very district design.
The shooter has a very simple backpack that lacks most of the notable features that I can see from the backpack/rucksack that the hostel person is using.
They're both backpacks, but one is notably different than the other.
While it's feasible they just switched backpacks, IMO it's far more likely that they're simply different people.
To me, this kind of naming and shaming attitude of a person of interest in an ongoing investigation by the press is disgusting.
If the images here depict two different people as I suspect they do, then the individual in the hostel images is likely to suffer consequences as a result of the brash and hasty release of their images by the press. It will likely affect them for years to come.
It makes for enticing headlines, that's for sure, but it's abysmal journalism. They don't seem to have any standards left regarding the truth, only whatever will attract the most views/clicks/reads/whatever.
- It's kinda crazy because I own the backpack he had on during the incident, it's a peak design camera bag and it's pretty expensive. Definitely not the bag the dude at the hostel is wearing.
It's a different jacket entirely though. The backpack strap is also a different design.

Seems like they'll never find em. Stand down.

Not only do I agree, but also it has been my feeling that the Starbucks footage and visit was a performance of some kind, and the water and phone they found were a distraction. Dude seems to have otherwise thought this through pretty well.

I admit that's nothing more than a hunch though, and I can't really defend it against anyone who disagrees.

Pretty sure all of those pics are different people. I guess we'll never find them, might as well give up ¯(ツ)/¯

No no no.......we must continue to waste police resources over this!
Pretty sure it might have been Andre the Giant.
Or it could have been the Mexican Cleaning Lady from Family Guy.
- No, no

It might be time to start smashing all the security cameras.

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I thought I saw that these pictures were taken on different days and the guy on the right has been tagged as a "person of interest" and not officially a "suspect"

The police said he’s a person of interest. All the news reports are calling him the shooter. I saw a clip from Good Morning America and they didn’t even bother saying “alleged”. It seems crazy irresponsible.
- That is actually insanely irresponsible journalism, if you can even call it that. INSANE. American news sources are just a wild west of "information", isn't it.

I wouldn't be surprised if a significant portion of the NYPD cares just as little about finding this guy as the rest of us care about them finding him.

"Yes yes, we take it very seriously. Look, he was wearing a hoodie!"

To me it looks like the same person in different lighting conditions.

Agreed. What I don't get is that the backpack seems to be a very different color.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist (I don't think), but the backpack is the inconsistency that's interesting to me.
- Easy enough to be using more than one bag.
  But the front pockets on the jacket are different. The zipper pull is different.
  The fabric on the left is crisper, looks plasticized, and is waterproofed, while the one on the right is fluffy and soft.
  It's all very subtle, the pictures are low quality. It's likely not the same guy, but they're starving to have someone in custody.
- Longtime theatre guy here - trust me, lighting does amazing things.

The right two and the left two don't have the same coat colour

Plus the left two have a beige backpack, while right bottom has a dark grey backpack.

Someone needs to paint some eyes in the pocket flaps and post it as a meme on the police website to just rub it in how fucking off they are on something so obvious.

Im very faceblind, but hes more broad shouldered in the right pics that Im not seeing in the left pics. Also, whats going on with that cheekbone in top right pic and why dont you see it in any other pics?

Clearly five different people.

I knew the police is full of stupid fucks, but come on! Wtf is wrong with the pigs?

Different bag and jacket too? I don't see how you can match the fact there at all.

Top right looks like Jake Gyllenhaal

Bottom right looks like Aaron Taylor-Johnson

Top right looks kinda like young Julia Roberts.
There's a photo where he kinda looks like a young Joe Rogan.
- Hey everyone, look who cracked the case!
- I fully back this assertion. time traveling Rogan lock him up!

Shh, don't tell the NYPD that.

I thought the same thing. They have more video footage and we are seeing only 2 stills from it, but the coats are definitely different. But the hostel footage was from when he was checking in days earlier than the day of the shooting.

I feel like this is all viral marketing for that jacket because it looks very warm and I want one

When people have different jackets and backpacks it not just to have the same jacket in different color. It’s to have a heavier jacket or different sized backpacks.

Also hostel guy eye look more wide set and his brow is more pronounced. Bridge of nose looks wider and deeper too.

- it doesn’t come in 8 colors. I feel bad for the idiots who upvoted you and believed that was even possible.
  Dude has a hoody with a flap jacket staying in a hostel. At best he’s a vfx artist and has 5 of the same color.

No, I think they match, but if I wound up on his jury, I might start to doubt it.

"Mr Westin, do these two men look similiar to you?"
"No...."
"But I haven't even shown the second picture yet."
"Ok, show me.....but I'll still say no."
- "OK, now do these two pictures-"
  "Not guilty!"
  "Excuse me?"
  "Oh , sorry, too soon? I'll wait."

I forget, when were the hostel images captured? Is it a case of different day, different coat, different bag?

i used to lived next to an organized crime person.

they would fuck with me constantly because i have a problem of keeping my mouth shut because i do.

and when they left on vacation they would use their underlings to fuck with my life. some horrible shit would happen to me. and then a few days later they would return smiling and smirking asking how i was doing.

the following is my opinion: trump hired that killer (probably someone with a beef against insurance) through some underling with the promise of a big payoff, left the country to France, and the killer was supposed to be paid off after the kill but was left with monopoly money because trump never pays his debts. And now the killer is dead and in the Hudson never to be found in one piece.

now trump will use the killing to push a hardcore agenda of police and constant surveillance to make sure it won't happen again.

and the rich will pay him to make sure that it doesn't.

but it will happen again. and trump will leave the country right before it does.

You are crazy if you believe trump could come up with that scheme
now trump will use the killing to push a hardcore agenda of police and constant surveillance to make sure it won’t happen again
see, I think if Trump did it he's gonna go a different route
he's gonna harness the populist support for this killer and he's gonna go "we need universal healthcare because Americans are suffering"
and he will be seen as a hero and cement his dictatorship
That's possible. It's a crazy world. There was a school shooting in California because a man was convinced he worked for a secret government agency responsible for executing children.
You obviously need actual professional help, please look into it.