To join Facebook these days, one must record a video selfie
I wanted to buy something second-hand. Unfortunately, Facebook Marketplace is the shit where I live. So I thought I could quickly register, contact the seller, and delete my account afterwards.
However, I refuse to participate in this insanity. Video selfie my ass, Facebook.
For years people have given me the blinking stare of unbelief when I tell them I've never had a Facebook. Now being absent on that platform and others is seen as suspicious. I got a buddy who couldn't complete a job application because Facebook was a mandatory field in the electronic form. The border Gestapo and the State Department require your socials for visa applications. A friend told me that she wouldn't date a guy without socials because she browses them as a kind of background check.
Fuck Meta.
Most of those are indeed bullshit since authorities have better platforms and businesses don't need to know your private info.
But women doing background checks to see what kind of men they are dating on the only platforms they have access to is just security. You can even leave your accounts info fully locked except for friends.
Apparently you're a modern horror story.
For years people have given me the blinking stare of unbelief when I tell them I’ve never had a Facebook.
The same people who two decades ago would have look at you sideways for using internet to talk with strangers. These idiots always conform to what is popular.
Same, I always assume the worst with big companies and/or data.
They were always scummy.
Never gave my name or info, never been on social platforms unless there was a good reason to be on them.
You can bypass this via https://github.com/hacksider/Deep-Live-Cam. You can get the faces needed from https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/. Although if you are privacybro, there's no documentation yet for running Deep Live Cam on Linux. This method is more private than using phone numbers since you can do this with disposable emails.
use a VPN in Helsinki with fake ID to create a Facebook page so I can buy a used pushmower in Tennessee.
2025, everyone.
Modern problems require modern solutions! Thanks.
We don’t need documentation where we’re going 🌈
Oh, sweet. Not using Facebook, but that's nice !
I got this on one of my joke accounts years ago.
I googled "3d face generator", clicked on the first website, and slapped in an image of trump. Then I just rotated the 3d model following whatever the instructions were, and it worked lol
which means a bot could also easily pass the test, even though they claim it's for checking you are not a bot
Discord asks your phone number for logging in from different locations when you already have TOTP 2FA and they still try to gaslight knowing your phone number is for your "security"
I would sooner put my nuts in an iron vice while running 10.000 volts through it and lighting it on fire than provide Facebook with anything at all.
Me too, but it has nothing to do with Facebook. Don't kink shame me.
How about putting googly eyes on your nuts and making a video selfie of them to send Facebook?
🏀🍆👀⚽
that might actually get him verified
I think I will steal your wording for future use.
Have you ever had a Facebook account?
Nope. Managed to stay off of it for my entire life so far. Reason for it was that back in '05 or a bit later one of the very first things I learned about the nascent Facebook, was Zuck's famous "Dumb fucks" remark about his early users. I rightfully concluded that someone with such a mindset would be an absolutely plague on mankind and I would never willingly help them in any way, no matter how insignificant.
Even if you don't have a facebook account, you've got a facebook account.
I had one many years ago because my wife talked me i to it and 'deleted' it due to not using it after a couple years because it was showing me other things than just my contacts even back then. It was mostly a way to see my hogh school acquaintences and childhood friends who moved far away were still alive.
The superficial connections were fine, but not engaging like nearby friends. I have one friend who does post there and sometimes forgets to put it elsewhere, but my wife lets me know when he does.
Note: I put 'deleted' because there is zero chance they deleted anything other than the ability to log in.
Zucky needs your image so he can share with with Homeland, in case you visit too many liberal pages.
"We, a company that has allowed AI generated propaganda to run rampant and destabilize global politics, need to make sure you are a real person so you must provide us with a video proving you are real that we totally wont use for AI and facial recognition purposes."
I 100% trust this, Zuckerberg is fine upstanding man
Yup. I can attest that he's never said about his users, "dumb fucks trust me"
Video selfie my ass
That probably won't work, since they expect your face. Worth a try, though.
just do a face swap thingy
These verification systems have already been defeated with locally-run AI models. This is now only a barrier to humans.
also helps feed their mass surveillance
This is the reason i haven't delete my facebook, my pre-massively-enshittified account doesn't need to go through any of this shit.
Yeah, I regret deleting my old account now. I never used it except for marketplace. Now I’m realizing Craigslist is pretty much dead in comparison
I don’t regret deleting mine. I don’t need any of that shit, fuck ’em.
I made an account over decade ago, never really used it even back then because I was suspicious even then. Then i tried logging in years after that and they demanded passport or some other identification to even let me log in.
So i sent them a picture i drew myself, i would post it here but i dont think i have the file anymore. It was basically like a mockup passport with picture of a clown and a stamp with picture of middle finger. I hoped they would just ban my account or something since that is about best I can hope. They would never abide by gdpr request and even if they say they did there is no way to know if they actually did.
I'm in the same boat. I have leftover PC parts to offload and Craigslist is shit and the Nextdoor app doesn't have as much reach from what I can see.
Fediverse alternative to Facebook's Marketplace
It’s funny because I created an IG a year or so ago and I don’t recall it asking these questions.
Edit: don’t ask me questions that require logging in as I don’t know my password
Ig and fb is kinda separated iirc, even when it all fall under Meta. So does Thread.
Last time my buddy sent me a Facebook link, it wouldn't let me view it without giving them my phone number. I did not.
Discord does this for logging in from different places a lot which is bonkers to me how many people dont care about it, it doesnt even matter if you have TOTP 2FA activated, they still try to gaslight the need for phone number is for "security"
I quit facebook 10 years ago. I am 67. If this old fart can quit so can you.
Don’t make it easier for the american fascist government to identify you even further on Facebook.
I am now, and will forever remain, a child of the old internet.
When your username was all that other people knew about you, and you didnt even like them having that for anonymity reasons, lol.
I continue to be baffled about how people on the internet went from "Don't tell anyone, anything about you!" to "Hi My name is Dan Rutherford, I like at 5849 Blasse Rd, in Tarry Birch,Kenfucky. Heres a picture of myself, my wife, my children, and a list of everything expensive I have in the house. Also my childs bedroom window wont lock. Anyway, we're going on a 3 week european vacation now! Expect hourly updates!
PS: Heres my birthday, and my childhood elementary school, where I was born, and the name of my childhood dog. In case anyone needs to answer my security questions"
Fb is nothing more than promoting right wing propaganda.
I get it. They want to combat bots and potentially even detect if a person is old enough to use the platform. However Facebook has eroded absolutely any trust that there's no way I'd give them this. Not that I use Facebook anyway.
There's no way they want to combat bots. You report bot content and they're like "nah, this doesn't go against our community guidelines" all the fucking time.
What do you expect from a company that removed independent fact-checkers, wanted to add AI profiles as users, amongst other things? I think they relish bots and the engagement they bring to the platform, completely blind-sided by how bad it looks for them long-term.
I'd kind of think it would be in their interest to, not because they give a shit about what their end users think, but what their customers (advertisers) think. I'd imagine that advertisers are paying x amount to reach real humans that can spend money, so if it turns out that businesses are paying to advertise to bots then I can't see them being too happy about that. Not unless they're upfront with businesses and they tell them that x% of their user base is bots and they'll only charge them to advertise to real people.
Zuckerborg is literally promoting bot "friends"
its not even about it, probably more data to tie to you and sell to data brokers, facebook feed most of the time wont even prioritize to show your friends posts instead will show posts from pages that paid Facebook to advertise, its literally no longer what it used to be for a few years already and probably why they were all in for having a separate messenger app for Facebook so those who find more convenient not to quit will just keep using it to maintain contact with people through it while keeping their accounts
I didn't have a Facebook account before. I sure as fuck am not getting one now.
I have an Instagram account where I just lurk, no posting, no following, no likes. At my last sign in there was some message about my account being restricted for supporting extremists or some bullshit and I would need to submit a photo of my ID.
I also just closed it directly. But I need to delete my Meta Accounts some day
Literally over ten years ago, they wanted a photo of my government ID.
Haven't had an account since
Literally over ten years ago, they wanted a photo of my government ID
I sent in a fake one, they accepted it.
same happened with me then a few other friends which made it easier to convince them to leave Facebook
Where is the #Fediverse #craigslist alternative? Lets get going, people!
I'll start us off.
One used Nike shoe - size 13 - $40
Used Nike shoe. Left foot only. Mild grass stains and small hole in sole that can be easily repaired. Cash only. No low ballers.
The software exists, it's called Flohmarkt.
There's a community for it too at !flohmarkt@lemmy.ca
So full face capture how is this not a violation of privacy? You know they're keeping that shit.
Different angles makes me thinking they're using it for ai training
100% they are. Why wouldn't they?
It's also a very common age assurance tech since forgery of ids is trivial to do now.
It is Facebook
I read so many of the comments and concerns, and I don't even disagree with them!
Just want to add my two cents.
Lots of people are talking about how they resent that Marketplace has become the place to sell. I get that.
However, this is more of the same in an ongoing evolution of online ads & classifieds.
Originally eBay was King. Craigslist was kind of under the radar and not enough of a threat that they did anything about it.
Then all kinds of little online competitors to eBay started to pop up and they were becoming reasonably successful.
eBay then acquired PayPal so they could squash up startups. It worked. They no longer own PayPal but things change.
Kijiji popped up and was eating eBay's lunch on a local level. Instead of competing, eBay spun off local classifieds to another company which acquired Kijiji.
I don't even know all the back and forth wranglings, but it's all a giant multi-corporate game that's been played for 30 years.
Then all kinds of different "out of the box" storefronts started to appear.
Now Meta got in the game and they are keeping eBay and Kijiji "honest". They've gone ahead and integrated it with Messenger and other apps so you never have to leave their ecosystem.
It literally took 30 years, but I am finally content as both a buyer and a heavy seller, with all of the online options available. I no longer feel like they are trying to wrangle every penny out of me as of seller, and they let me voluntarily pay to promote my sales in MY terms.
That said, I'm not sure how I feel about needing so much information about people just to make an account.
On one hand (I'm very biased towards the seller's perspective) I can actually see the need to apply as much verification as possible for new accounts. It's been a severe deficiency in their product for years and years and years. And as a seller, I am exhausted with bots and fake accounts and people who want to hide in the shadows, there's no reason to do that when you're buying a vacuum off me and want to come to my home to pick it up.
On the other hand, I made my account years ago so I'm not subject to this requirement. But if I put myself in the shoes of somebody making a new account today. Holy fuck would I not be impressed with this.
I really don't know what the answer is. I would never upload ID or a video of my face to them. I don't know what's needed here.
...and people who want to hide in the shadows, there's no reason to do that when you're buying a vacuum off me and want to come to my home to pick it up.
As a buyer of random trash, I really don't want anyone to know more than they have to. The only identifying details about me should be "paid $13.65 for a set of glittery plastic tableware." In whatever ledger you keep for those sort of things.
I got a promotional text message from a store I bought a single repair component from once in a state I never visited. It made me irrationally upset. I would not accuse you of such, but every action to verify someone's "personhood" means that marketing types have that much more access to try to sell me junk.
I respect the security concern but none of what you are describing is how Facebook market works.
If you got a text message, it's because you gave them your number that's your fault. Nobody has the ability to contact you outside of the marketplace ecosystem or messenger unless you specifically allow it.
If you're getting promotional messages, it's because you opened a business chat with that organization.
I'm basically saying learn.
None of that has anything to do with not wanting to upload personal information to meta.
On one hand
C'mon, with a bit of effort you could have made this one into 5 paragraphs each one sentence long too!
This clearly abilist against headless Americans
There are more of them than you think
Looks like we found a good use case for facial generative ai
This just isn't a problem for most people. They have different priorities or just don't bother.
Mostly the latter. Name a private thing, any private thing. most people will punch it into GoogleMetaX without skipping a beat.
"Oh no, now there's a video of my face somewhere"
I'm not trying to be hurtful towards you, but I guess I'm pushing back in a general sense and you're the comment I'm replying to.
At this point, it's 2025... Every single thing about you including 3D models of your face is in a computer somewhere.
Look at the Luigi situation. Police tipped accidentally that they have advanced AI they've been using for a decade that we didn't even know about.
I'm kind of saying guys... like yeah on paper not a good idea to upload your video... But when you critically examine it, what has harmed you? Nothing, your face is everywhere. If you have walked outside one time, your face is on 100 video cameras. And it's never being deleted from their server.
Look at the Luigi situation. Police tipped accidentally that they have advanced AI they’ve been using for a decade that we didn’t even know about.
Except that's not what did it, and I suspect any such thing is shitty corporate bloatware. In the end, distinctive eyebrows and a good-old-fashioned snitch did him in. He wasn't anywhere close to the radar before that.
Privacy defeatism was already fully going in the days of MySpace. That should tell you a bit about how empirical it ever was.
The infuriating part is people willing to use Facebook at all.
And Facebook marketplace and buy nothing are helpful. We need to get people off that crappy platform.
Craigslist still exists, I use it fairly often.
I have a store in a small town that ONLY communicates though the book of faces. It is frustrating to say the least, but it seems like people on facebook assume that everyone is on facebook and the things on facebook are reflective of reality (they are not).
Ah, hell no.
ofc not to train ai
There are no more excuses, people who say that these services are easier to use are stupid
Hey! No I'm doesn't! 😠
Who is actually creating a legitimate Facebook account at this point?
I moderate a few groups on Facebook, and every account I see for new members that was created within the last few years is a spammer. The people who wanted Facebook accounts already have them. Very very few actual human beings are signing up for new legitimate accounts at this point.
Facebook should just close the new account option. They're working toward AIs talking to each other and won't need human interaction any more anyway.
I deleted my Facebook account in 2010 after my college English professor forced us to use it for an assignment. He thought he was hip; I thought it was disgusting. Anyway fast forward a dozen years and like OP says basically the only way to buy and sell used shit now is through FB marketplace. I was willing to create an account just for that, but when they wanted my phone number I said nope no way. This video selfie thing is so much worse.
i dint create one because of that too, when i used a some temp email, the account was autobanned for 6months. then i found a way to bypass thier login popups, because i just wanted to see some posts.
They've been advertising it hard to the zoom zooms since they were born after the window where it was just assumed that everyone had Facebook
boomers, and right wingers. i used to follow somed asian yotubers who fled to facebook, because it was easier to control content, and criticism, since they cant do anything to subreddits, and yes they brigaded the subs about them to shut down any controversy about them.
What’s next? Fingerprints? Criminal record? DNA? Retina scans? It’s like people are joining CIA and not a social media site
If Futurama is to be trusted, one of the upcoming technologies in biometric data will be “colonic maps.” No doubt, Facebook would anally probe us all if they could.
That episode popped into my head, too.
Here's a clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSZJhczSQ6M
It's going to require DNA samples in my lifetime.
Somehow I find it very disconcerting, that you didn't write "our" lifetime.
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Absolute clown show.
Ease of use is a forgotten artform it seems
Pretty sure Instagram also requires something similar in some cases. I tried to make an account recently to see an artist's full postings and it eventually asked me to verify I am a human by submitting a selfie picture. Abso-fucking not. It did "promise" they would delete it within 30 days...
Instagram is also owned by Meta... so I'm not sure why there's any surprise there.
Next up, WhatsApp will probably require a full contact sync or something lol.
Yeah instagram do that too get an account back after they lock it even though you have the password etc but haven't signed in for to long.
They then compare that to photos of you on your account.
My problem is I have 1 photo of me on the account from years ago and the rest are landscape stuff so despite having all the information I can't access my account
Just submit a tree
What would they even compare the picture to...
I am fairly certain it hasn't got anything to do with "confirming you're a human". and probably with getting more data into their pipeline for AI training...among other things that they do. like sell your shit to a 3rd party
Guess the silver lining of this particular instance of dystopian tech-bro fascist nightmare stuff is that it causes more friction, and less people to join up.
Let them continue filling the site with bots. Dont use that garbage.
I was going to sign up a couple of years ago for the same reason - marketplace - but they wanted a picture selfie then and that was enough to stop me.
Oh no thanks I'm going to pass on that
The same thing happened to me recently. I used my friend's phone to play this video in front of the camera, and it worked.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-21/video-selfie-verification-process-for-account/104499702
Are there any fediversians out there familiar with friendica? From what I can tell, it looks like a FOSS equivalent to Facebook. I was never really into Facebook or Instagram, so on the surface it seems to tick the boxes, but I appreciate they have addiction tier levels of interaction with the majority of people around me, so differences will be glaring for hardcore users.
My partner is an artist, and she's been trialling pixelfed for me; all seems to be going smoothly, but the older generations are FB diehards, so if I have any chance of adoption, it has to be something closer to that experience.
I'm looking to potentially spin up an instance for friends and family to migrate to. They currently have the desire due to the stream of enshittification we're seeing; but people are fickle and I've no doubt that desire can be extinguished by the slightest inconvenience. so any insight on what's good and what's missing regarding friendica (or other FB FOSS alternatives), is definitely appreciated.
afaik Friendica is the closest to Facebook usage among Fediverse platforms, im not aware of new features on Facebook since I quit it a few years ago but for ordinary people i only think to be missing games i know some people used (do they still?) to play to get "achievements" which they could share they got it, i'd usually see it more often from farming or guitar hero-like games, other than that they have plenty of stuff that you won't find in other Fediverse platforms but its also not a platform where you'll find general instances with as many people as in Lemmy/Mastodon/Pixelfed general instances but since you are willing to host for yourself and your friends it might be worth it, you can even have your own RSS feeds within Friendica and browse posts from other platforms outside the Fediverse, you can check the features list on friendi.ca/about/features
The only reason I have a frednica is because that's where I chill and hang out with the Fediverse Chick.
I left FB before the pandemic and don't regret it. When I still had an account, I had to verify my account by sending them my DL. I did it but blanked out my address and DL #. That was invasive enough. This is just insane.
eventually they will want a dna sample
Sir please drink a verification can.
https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/1ggg4u/please_drink_a_verification_can/
So you're forced to give them potential blackmail i?
lol wot
Would signing up with a PC instead of the mobile app solve that? A lot of PC's don't have webcams.
This might help, I made my last account a few months back and only had to provide a selfie photo (which I got from here)
Lol genius!
Fuck that shit.
I left Facebook in 2009 or 2010 or so, but I attempted to register a facebook account for my business over the weekend. I can confirm, it wanted a selfie of my business. Wasn't sure what to do with that, so I still don't have a facebook account for my business.
Leaving in 2010 was a great choice. I feel like I stayed on way too long only getting rid of it in 2020.
It was the “baby - sandwich - dog” era. Super easy decision at the time 😁
Maybe call a friend for help? That's my strategy and I have an active account. I just didn't want to look at it
Yeah, that's a good idea. Thanks.
Instead of sacrificing your friend's face to Facebook, you can sacrifice an AI-generated face. I commented above:
You can bypass this via https://github.com/hacksider/Deep-Live-Cam. You can get the faces needed from https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/. Although if you are privacybro, there’s no documentation yet for running Deep Live Cam on Linux. This method is more private than using phone numbers since you can do this with disposable emails.
You know what's funny about that? Facebook banned me several months ago claiming a problem with community guidelines despite the fact that I was only using it to connect to an app that required it to save progress.
Leave it to Fuckerberg
I wish I didn't have to use Facebook.
Fediverse alternative to Facebook's Marketplace
I am in entertainment and it's where most of my contacts are. I am stuck with it.
use AI
The dickvid potential is there.
Glad I kept my last burner account
I gave up on Facebook when they banned my account for the second time after providing evidence that I exist in both cases.
Technically, my account is still "under review", for the past 8 years.
I used this name, Mystik Incarnate, because, believe it or not, there are more people who know me by this name, compared to how many know me by my legal name.
I remember that Facebook challenged my name back in the day, like 10+ years ago. I took a form of ID and made it say "Mystik Incarnate" as my name, sent that in, and they unblocked my account for a while. A few years later and they did it again. By then, I was already on the fence whether or not I wanted to maintain a Facebook account... But I submitted basically the same thing and..... Well... It's still "being reviewed".
I do have an account under my legal name, mainly as a collector of messages for people that know me professionally or something that are trying to reach out. I check it every few months at most; but that account has no friends, no connections, nothing. I only keep it so people can message me. I don't use their apps or anything, I only log in on the website and usually incognito so that they can't track me across the web.
Every time I see someone's logged in Facebook account, I'm disgusted by how cancerous it has become. Anyone who reaches out to me on that platform I usually try to have them connect with me by email, or some other chat program that's more trustworthy.
Fuck Meta.
Weird nowadays many people I know are using alias on FB without incident. It's a safety issue for women.
What's the point when the intent is to make most users on there AI bots anyways
Huh. F u Facebook.
At least they didn't ask you for butt sharpies.
yet
Are you sure about this?
This is a procedure they use when you get locked out of your account.
I wouldn't be surprised if they use it for creation in some cases, depending on locale, or if you seem "suspicious" to their metrics in some way, e.g. registering while on a VPN
This is not really the invasion of privacy it seems when you compare it to everything else facebook will do with your information.
That doesn't make this any better, just makes YOU feel better about it
I think it's a good way to remind you right up front when you sign up that this is what you're signing up for. Honestly if last week I had been asked to choose between a world in which facebook makes its invasiveness painfully clear at signup vs keeps it low-key, I would choose the former.
I feel bad about everything.
Sadly it does seem to be very popular but I am sure there are some niche forums specific for certain items like tech related ones which also has a marketplace for tech products, audiophile ones for audio gear etc. I joined one to buy something and ended up being a part of the great community now so hopefully something works out for you as well.
Is there a good 2nd hand market beside FB now? We are buying our first house and will be needing some stuff once we move in. My account is long gone and my wife's is deactivated, close to closing it out. We have some good antique and thrifts around us, but my SIL gets killer deals on FB market.
some areas have active nextdoor.com marketplaces, but you have to prove your residence by receiving a code in the mail.
Doesn't seem to be in my country yet, but apparently it's in a few other EU countries so there's hope yet!
In the meantime I log into Facebook when I need to buy used car parts. There's other sites but it's nowhere near as usable as just writing "hey someone wanna sell me a 3.0 tdi (BMK/ASB) turbo pls" into the Audi group on Facebook. Such is the life of driving shitboxes anyway.
or alternatively, if you explicitly want to buy something from woman: girlnextdoor.com
for us it's craigslist
Depending on where you live you always got something eg: craigslist or whatever.
I needed to make an account recently, if you make it via a proper computer you get this and it sends it as an "appeal".. Which means they werent clever enough to separate new account creation from actual appeals. So of course what happens is it goes to some call center in some poor part of the world where they're not smart enough to know the difference or dont care, they hit deny and you get perma banned.
This is not the same if you sign up via an app, which is amazingly stupid but whatever.
Ironically i learned about this by watching youtube videos for scammers on how to make fake facebook accounts.
Of course i immediately uninstalled the app, because i dont want that cancer on my phone.
Horrible
According to my experience Facebook ads are now becoming scam more and more. Like they just use AI voice and animated videos for ads and customer buy it. That product is mostly trash not usable.
I used to do gig work online. Everything was fine for two years, then they suddenly required the same shit for identity verification, so I quit.
Youtube also does this
Google does similar, stating it’s for safety.
Yeah they can kiss my ass. Video selfie. Fuck that.
Wow. And here I thought MS all-screenshotting garbage was the peak of fucking over. Guess I need a bigger basket of popcorn
Sucks. Facebook is trash. All ads are scammer mostly and all comments anywhere are just bots. It is the worst marketing platform.
Oh HELL no
Ran into this same exact problem. So frustrating.
Yeah, bullshit. This is to help train their facial recognition AI.
I mean, it's a bit of both.
I don't think they care if you're real anymore
and if they find or know a way to sell that with the other data colleted from you, they will proudly do it