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It aint that hard, fuck wits

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My fellow Texans, It ain't that hard

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I mean, nothing here is wrong but I have rarely had C being my primary issue when dealing with roundabouts. Idiots randomly entering the circle with no regard to other cars, THAT I've encountered quite frequently...
- Ah yes, car E driven by Leeeerrroooooyyyy Jenkins
  
  Watching the shadow of the car, it takes out the top of a tree
  
  To the moooooooooooon
- Biggest problem I encounter is people failing to signal their exit
  So I end up being C because I yield to a bunch of bozos who didn’t communicate they were’t going to come my way
  
  Well we can kinda only go when the signal is accompanied by another indication like slowing and or beginning to turn - “never trust a signal” eh?
- That's because Americans don't know how to use them, once you live in a place where people use them OPs picture becomes your issue and you never see yours.
  
  Americans have a hard time driving, period. They can’t “keep right unless passing”, they can’t understand 4-way stops, they can’t understand traffic circles, and so much more. So frustrating and dangerous here.
  
  I think that's location specific, I've lived in a few different places in the US that had roundabouts, although I've always called em rotaries in the northeast.
  
  My city (US) used to have one that was signed all wrong, so cars already inside the circle would have to yield to the ones entering. Naturally this led to congestion instead of flowing traffic. Also it was way too close to a tangential road so that made things even worse because the backed up traffic on that side then affected cars that weren't even going to the circle.
  Fortunately they ripped that shit out and redesigned the entire intersection.
- Or badly designed ones with a combo of yield and stop signs that effectively prevent the people with the stop sign from ever proceeding
- The only real problem I regularly encounter is on two lane roundabouts.
  If you want to take the first exit you need to enter in the passenger side lane.
  If you want to take any exit after the second you need to enter in the driver's side lane.
  If you enter in the passenger side lane, you must take the first or second exit. Taking any exit after the second from the "outside" lane is gonna cause an accident.
  I see this happen a few times a year. It's so common that most drivers foresee it.
  
  Yeah the solution there is spiral roundabouts with hard barriers at critical points.
- Hit them
C is yielding to a pedestrian, but carbrain D cannot fathom yielding to anything smaller than their car.
- Were this a 2 lane roundabout, car d would be changing lanes to bypass car c, nearly striking that pedestrian
  
  It took me three attempts to parse
  We’re this a 2 lane roundabout,
  Your mistake is even harder to type than the correct ‘Were’!
  
  Pedestrian crossing without traffic lights at a 2 lane roundabout entry? That's just murderous design.
- There's no pedestrian in the image.
  Cars are bad enough as it is that we don't have to imagine more problems with them.
- A pedestrian would cross between C and D, or even behind D.
- I've been car A and still had car D behind me beep at me. We hate car D.
Not everybody is cut out to drive (i.e. to operate dangerous heavy machinery in a fast-changing environment with others depending on you handling the situation correctly). The problem is when we structure our societies requiring everyone to do so to participate.
- requiring everyone to do so to participate.
  Bus, taxi, bike, walk, whatever.
  I vehemently disagree that everyone has a 'right' to have a license, as so many argue.
  
  That infrastructure is majorly lacking if you live in the US.
  
  They never said that everybody has a right to drive. The reality is that, at least in the US and similarly planned countries, cars are priced like a luxury and treated like a necessity by the powers that be. Anything that isn't driving a car is an afterthought.
My favorite is when the pink car stops to allow car 'A' to go 🙃
- "if I randomly stop in the middle of the road so another car can get in, the car right behind me probably won't hit me"
  
  Cyclist here.
  Someone did that for me, so I tried to rush across the street to not hold up traffic.
  Woke up a few weeks later in physical rehab, not remembering anything because of the TBI. Evidently I was in the hospital for about three weeks. No recollection!
- Oh God I love that its just so hulaeuosly dumb when it happens
  I just put my hands in the air and yell at them
Wait until you see the magic roundabout in the UK. It's a "close your eyes, pray and hit the gas" type of place.
- No one will ever be able to invade the UK, they'll get stuck in this horror.
- I've seen this so often before and I still don't understand why they didn't just build an ordinary roundabout. It's just six roads that meet there. That's not beyond ordinary roundabout capabilities. Who said "you know what, let's just do a circular arrangement of five roundabouts here, that's so much better than what people are used to"?
  
  My money is on "the french love roundabouts so we're not doing that"
- It's really five regular roundabouts circling one central roundabout.
- Left side driving should be illegal
  
  It is in the most places on earth.
- People will unironically see this and proclaim that it's actually not that complicated...
- That roundabout needs a speaker constantly playing Entry of the Gladiators on repeat
- Then you see the cars completely ignoring the sub-circles and driving over them or backwards to the arrows.
- I drove through that one, not easy. I prefer the turbine design we use in Germany.
ITT: People road raging over imaginary traffic.
- Drivers seem to love complaining about drivers
Then there is this cluster fuck of a roundabout in my city Lansing, MI. Yes they do have a full STOP sign at each entrance to the roundabout for the crosswalk not just a stop for pedestrians which would make more sense. So you have to stop then yield to circle traffic then go. The entire roundabout is useless because once you stop you lose the benefit.
- Roundabouts are not just for efficiency, they are for safety. A regular 4-way intersection introduces multiple conflicts between cars turning left and cars coming from the opposite direction.
  A roundabout only has one conflict for each connecting street, and the right of way is clearly defined.
  
  They also change the angle of impacts to be less severe since they should effectively eliminate a t-bone type impact.
- None of you guys would survive Iran
  
  I heard you like roundabouts so i put a roubdabout in your roundabout
  
  Or several gnarly roundabouts in the UK
- the sequel to Michigan left
- That’s a traffic circle, they all suck.
- Those crosswalks are too close to the circle, move that back and remove the stop signs.
  
  The roundabout that I cross every day to go to work has the crosswalk even closer.
I love roundabouts as a driver and as a pedestrian. I do admit that the double laned ones can feel like an utter cluster at times though
- you aught to try the kind that’s 3 lanes going to 5 different places and a tram running through the middle!
  (this was the most dangerous intersection in my city for a while… they’ve added traffic lights… i do also very much love roundabouts)
- Yeah I'm a fan.
  My city has no traffic lights. Roundabouts everywhere. It's not a particularly big city.
  There are some problems but in general I think everyone gets where they're going a lot quicker.
- Gotta be aggressive for those
- I have The Perfect Round-A-Bout for you.
  It's insane. It's also brilliant.
I am car C. I don't care if car D is pissed at me, because I have autism and driving is overwhelming for me. I'm being extra cautious because it takes me longer to process sensory input because I can't filter out the irrelevant things. Plus, I always make sure to check the crosswalks. I as a pedestrian have come very close to being hit while crossing multiple times and it seems most other drivers don't give a shit about pedestrians at all.
- Seriusly, if you cant filter information or you are not able to react to your surroundings please dont drive. Half a second of reaction time more is a lot when you are driving a 2 ton car with 100kmh around... that si rhe reason drunk driving is not allowed or driving while high...
  
  I live in freedumb land so cars are the only reliable option. I'd love to use public transit, but doing so would require me to at least drive to a park and ride, and the bus system where I live is unreliable. I'd love to immigrate to a country that isn't car brained, but I don't have the resources.
  
  Thankfully driving with undiagnosed mental conditions are not criminalized in the states.
- If the crosswalk is designed properly, a car approaching a traffic circle should only need to look at traffic, because the crosswalk would be well in front of the traffic circle. Once you pass the crosswalk, there only reason to stop is if there's a car in the way.
  That's the great thing about traffic circles, they reduce the sensory input so drivers only need to worry about one thing at a time. At a regular intersection, you need to worry about pedestrians and potentially cars coming from two directions.
  The safest thing to do at a traffic circle is enter and exit as efficiently as possible. If you stop unnecessarily, it'll take longer to get your car moving (increasing accident risk in the circle) and potentially cause backups in other intersections behind you.
  
  Most of the roundabouts near me have the crosswalks right up by the circle, so you'd have to either stop on top of the crosswalk, or stop with it in front of you. If you stopped with the crosswalk behind you, you'd be in the circle.
  And I do look at the circle ahead of time and will go if it is clear, but if it isn't then I do stop, and it happens to take me longer to make a decision as to when I am good to go than most other people.
  If I didn't live in freedumb land, I wouldn't drive, but driving is the only reliable option here.
- If you can't drive don't get behind the wheel
  
  I'd gladly opt out of driving if it were reasonable to do so. Give us transit and proper bicycle infrastructure so I that don't risk getting pancaked but some fuckwit driver with their nose in their phone.
  Note that I've been driving for over a quarter century without collision or moving violation, so not so much a skill issue per se.
- Yea, all the circles around me car c would be cutting off the pink car by the time they actually got moving into the circle if they were stopped. The circles are not that big.
  
  That's why you shouldn't come to a stop. Coast slowly from further away so you can accelerate easier into the circle
  
  They shouldn't be stopped.
Alternative scenario: C starts entering, A decides to FUCKING FLOOR IT, slams into C
Ive had the 'pink' car stop in the roundabout and motion, me as the 'A' car, to go. Like i dont even anymore.
- There are specific times when this might be appropriate. For example if I am turning off at the exit after where the car is joining from, I can see they're indicating to making a move around the inner part of the roundabout which is clear, and if I proceeded I would join a queue for my exit and block them. I'll usually stop short and gesture they move in.
  But otherwise it's usually safer all round to stick to the rules.
- Just give the one finger salute.
I love how the meme assumes everyone trusts everyone else's driving. Utopian ideals, man.
- You not following the rules because you assume everyone else isn't following the rules is why no one is following the rules...
  
  I don't follow the rules only because I don't drive at all. Otherwise, yes, you are correct, I don't follow rules which endanger my life. Just weird that way.
- My mom taught me to never trust a turn signal (or lack of one)
- That's not how roundabouts work. They're really simple:
  Look left and enter when clear
  Look straight until you exit
  That's it. This only gets complicated if traffic is backed up, in which case everyone is going slow enough for it to not matter.
  
  Nice, I don't know why, but I was picturing the pink car going fast enough to squeal their tires like they used to in the one nearest where I live. We only got roundabouts here a decade or two ago, so they're still a novelty to most. I don't drive much, as you can probably tell.
When I have a Car D behind me, it's because they overestimate my car's acceleration capabilities.
Broke: Car C is being a responsible, safety focused driver
Woke: Car C is holding up traffic for no good reason
Bespoke: Car Pink is whipping around that turn at 80 kmph and going to kill everyone anyone, so don't sweet it.
- Just go right over the center and see if you can clear C and D.
I'm always D
- etermined to keep my head up high, but it gets hard when I’m deep in a
  
  cult
As the circle enlarges, the system approaches four T-intersections. What I want to know is: at what size circle do people lose their minds and become unable to comprehend how T-intersections work.
Fair play to people confused about multi-lane roundabouts though.
My country is full of donkeys driving cars
- Damn, how'd you train a donkey to drive?
  
  Who said anything about training?
F. The more fundamental problem is that these are all cars, not bikes. Fuck cars.
- I'm waiting til it becomes normal for individuals to use old school buses as their commuter vehicles. It's the inevitable destination of the car size war.
  
  It makes sense because that would also help alleviate the housing crisis.
- Right, that's the funny thing about roundabouts. They're a marvelous solution to local motor vehicle throughput. That become completely unnecessary if your traffic is anything besides motor vehicles. In fact, for bikes and pedestrians and anyone else who can look at each other eye to eye and even just talk to one another if need be, no signals or signs are necessary at all.
  
  They become more necessary in a bike-centric world... as velodromes.
- Well yes, but actually bikes wouldn't even need a roundabout with rules like this in the first place.
Car C is really just waiting for the pink car to arrive so that they can slam the gas as soon as it does.
The hard part is when back to back traffic for 15 miles worth of cars is coming from one direction and everyone else is either too scared to zipper merge or they allow the one direction to have perpetual right of way.
At some point of heavy traffic, the circle right of way must yield for zipper merging, else face my ass aggro merging and beeping at everyone who doesn't.
Ok, now do one where C and A arrive at the same time to an empty roundabout and A still, to this day, thinks they have the right of way. Because why wait a fraction of a second when I can make others wait for a lot longer?
I hate having classes in a classroom with windows pointing to a roundabout because I get to realize how NO ONE seems to do them correctly... (In Spain, for reference)
- Depends on the size of the roundabout. For one big enough they could both join simultaneously and maintain a safe distance, that's fine. If not, if you drive on the left the one on the right has priority and vice versa for the rest of the world.
  In fact it's only a problem if people arrive simultaneously at all junctions, since now there's no person to the right of everyone.
  In this case usually everyone stops (unless one of the cars is a BMW or audi) and then someone will start to move first. After which normal operational rules are restored.
- A does have the right of way over C. And the OP has a quite violent interpretation of transit rules that only make sense if it's a large roundabout with a low speed.
  Also, the pink car has the right of way over both. Both are quite right at stopping there, and D is invited to keep stressing themselves to death.
  Now, if the pink car decided to stop and wait for A, then it maybe is worth pointing it to them.
  
  I got my driver's license pretty recently and in driving classes I was always told to look at the left first to see if anyone is inside the roundabout, and then to the right to see if I have to let someone go before me (on small roundabouts). Think it from a logical standpoint: A wouldn't even need to completely stop to let C in first, while, if A goes first, C needs to stop and wait while A passes in front of them.
  It may be a new rule, because no one seems to know about it (or pay it any mind).
Useful, but incomplete.
There's one "roundabout" that I know of that doesn't have this sign:
But instead has a few of these in the middle:
You HAVE TO give way to the right while driving on the "roundabout".
Mental.
Thanks for your time.
- These idiotic roundabouts used to be everywhere in France. Most of them have been converted to inside-has-right-of-way but a few of the old ones still exist, with traffic lights on the inside.
  
  I guess in low traffic areas it's alright. Anything else is just madness.
- That’s called a “rotary”.
I love in Washington state and honestly have had next to no problems with people in roundabouts. They're pretty common here and people use them as intended. Wherever you are all from, I hope it gets better lol
I get in and out of those roundabouts as fast as possible
I don't mind the design, I think they're great and save time and reduce traffic congestion
I just don't trust drivers of this generation to use them properly. We are currently in a transition period of generations ... an older generation of drivers that didn't grow up with these and a newer group who will think these roundabouts will be normal. As long as these old timers (including me) are around, these traffic situations will be dangerous.
Which is why, when I get to these roundabouts, I get in as quickly as possible and get out as quickly as I can
Circles are awesome, fight me!
Those small green pissing pyramids are blocking the road.
And the whole set of problems only exist because there are too many cars.
Wheres the fighter jet?
E. Pink car turned turn signal on before entering the circle, keeps turn signal on all the way around the circle, thus invalidating any method of informing other drivers of which exit they intend to use. Car E deserves rapid unplanned orthodontics.
- Signals are helpful indicators, but I rarely commit until I see someone's front wheel change direction.
  You're probably already watching people's wheels without realising. It's the first real tell.
AmeriKan drivers and traffic circles equates to an inefficient cluster fuck. When departing the circle, use your damn turn signal so I can enter!!!
Car D is going to have to wait for car A no matter what
Assuming no cars come after yellow car, it doesn't matter if car C goes or not.
Honestly it's nicer because car D doesn’t have to move up a car length to yield.
Yes they could get screwed very hard though
- Well couple of things.
  You don't know how long C has been incorrectly yielding. There may well have been enough time for them both to move onward.
  Also there's nothing to say that A isn't a yet undiscovered C.
  I'm from the UK so roundabouts are second nature. I've been an accidental C before. Where I had to wait for a lot of cars that had priority over me. When it finally was open for me I was zoned out. Luckily the car behind me was very polite and just used a short beep of the horn to bring me back to reality.
D car should be honking
- I feel as if I am the only one in my city with a horn, it's ridiculous.
  There is a light where you are not allowed to turn left because it blocks everyone behind you and oncoming traffic is too dense to actually make the turn, so there is a sign indicating no left turns, and a green arrow for the light, indicating that you may only go straight. Yet people will sit here for an entire light cycle waiting to take an illegal left turn and no one behind them honks. I just don't understand it.
  I feel no guilt in holding my horn down until they get out of everyone's way.
  
  Gotta be careful in some places youll get shot at for honking
When you can't see over the middle circle, I'm also approaching roundabouts very slowly because some morons tend to play Tokyo drift. And blinking is anyway not a thing here :(
The pink car is yielding incorrectly, and may cause an accident.
My city has two circles, both one lane with 3 entry/exits. Actually the one not near me might have more, but I know its one lane. Amazing how many people have trouble with them.
- The pink car isn’t yielding at all, it’s in motion
Yield to traffic in circle, not yield to anything in your perspective quadrant of the circle.. Leave grandpa be, he's running on nothing but cortisol and spite for death. And try to circulate the cabin air, quit huffing the exhaust from tailgating. The don't test emissions in roundabout country...

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