Sovereign citizen receives mail, has opinions.

The MDHS State Disbursement Unit is the Child Support department. Dude went nuts because he doesn't want to pay child support. What a POS.

One of their biggest things they're always trying to do is "discharge" theur child support.
- Yeah they are. But fun fact, garnishments and liens work just as well without an INTERNATIONAL TREATY and a surprising number of these loons still work and own stuff.
- "I don't have anything to do with that kid! Why should I have to pay child support?"
  Unfortunately I know people like that in real life, who don't seem to understand that the child support is largely because they want nothing to do with their kid
I only agreed to get my dick wet, your child support contract is invalid

“I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU” is about to be my go to line to get out of uncomfortable situations.

I still like, "YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR"
- "THIS IS NOT MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE"
I love this assertion by them. Because it's them saying they are an independent nation. But they are living on or within the US's declared borders and do not have a treaty as the American Indians do. Therefore they'd qualify as invaders or secessionist and the US military/immigration authorities should have jurisdiction to prosecute them. Afterall, this Sovereign Citizen is currently abroad in another country.
You have to say it ALL CAPS and in RED INK. LoL
Telling my boss this next time I'm voluntold to fix another failing project.
It's a pretty weird claim. They think they are their own country? Okay then... Do they realize that foreign countries can be taken to war against their wishes? I hope so, because that's probably going to happen to a lot of these people.

I DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT

Bullshit. You know that mail is regarding the child support payments you're trying to weasel your way out of.

They are always asking how to "discharge" child support on the sovcit groups.
One of those was a census. How tiny is their world if they don't know what a census is, and who sends them?
- What is census? And who's sending it?
  (asks non usa-an)

The best thing about sovereign citizens is they're the only ones not in on the joke.

And they so persistently do not understand why their BS doesn't work.
- Honestly their BS does kind of work they just seem unable to grasp that all the things they're saying also apply to everyone else. They don't have to aknowledge their electricity providers authority to charge them for electricity and the electric company doesn't have to keep supplying it. Its like some kind of extreme narcisicm.
- The appeal is there. Imagine not having to pay any taxes or any of your bills. The idea practically sells itself to anyone who has no civics education.

Refuses to open letter

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT

Ok, buddy.

If they don't open it they can't have read it and therefore aren't bound by what's in it. <- sovcit logic
- I mean, that does work. Unless the letter is sent certified mail, it's not guaranteed to arrive. It could be lost on the way so they can't prove you got it.
  Of course if you write all over it and post it online then you clearly got it.

By and large, I think most of these people are just trying to get out of legal and financial obligations. I bet if a government agency sent them a check, they'd fucking cash it. But it's when they're required to pay money or complete the littlest forms that they balk. They are just bad scammers.

They probably vote too.

"Not a US citizen"

Okay, so GTFO if you're renouncing your citizenship. And don't use any public roads or services as you're leaving...

Just deport them, and since they have nowhere to go, I guess that means throw them in the ocean?
- Or make a treaty with an interested nation to deport them to.
  I'm guessing Russia and North Korea would be interested.
- To Mexico, it would be funny so see their faces. /s
doesn't US charge you for giving up your citizenship too?
- Yup, its an old Civil War era law for folks who tried to avoid dying in the Civil War by moving to Canada. Reasoning was, if you wanted to draft dodge you could support the war financially instead. Then during the early 2000s as folks who graduated college at the wrong time and ended up more college debt than they can ever pay off started moving abroad to escape it, they increased the fee and took other steps to make renouncing more difficult since expats were renouncing their citizenship to stop owing taxes in the US
- Yeah it's something like $2600

If these people are not citizens of any country, they’d have to be deported to International Waters for not holding a visa right?

I know you’re just making a joke but statelessness is actually a huge headache for both the individual and Governments in dealing with them.
https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/who-we-protect/stateless-people
- Well the ocean doesn't discriminate.
- Just to to a fucking airport, god.

Why do they always have the same handwriting?

It's the lead poisoning.
There's a certain level of brain malfunction necessary to think this shit will work, and one way that can manifest is poor coordination for fine movements like writing.
- Actually a really valid point
Middle school dropouts
- Were you taught handwriting in highschool?

Is this the kind of people who post disclaimers in social media that "unauthorize" the company running said social media from using the "content" they post there?

That motherfucker must feel so powerful writing that... stuff.

I mean the only other kick he's going to get is to the teeth by the feds, so I hope he's getting something out of it.

Should these “sovereign citizens” be arrested and put in illegal migrant camps the minute they set foot on public roads, or should we reserve that VIP treatment only for brown Spanish-speaking people?

Yes they should and Brown Spanish speakers should get to detain them.
- ...could they be driving tuk tuks?

Sovereign citizens are some of the stupidest dregs of society. It doesn’t even take proper legal training to realize how wrong and how stupid their statements are when they do this kind of garbage.

It requires such a weird pick and choose approach to the law to make these arguments and it just baffles me. Like who do they even expect to back them?

AM I BEING DETAINED OR AM I FREE TO GO WHY AM I BEING DETAINED AM I BEING DETAINED OR AM I FREE TO GO WHY AM I BEING DETAINED AM I BEING DETAINED OR AM I FREE TO GO WHY AM I BEING DETAINED AM I BEING DETAINED OR AM I FREE TO GO WHY AM I BEING DETAINED

I am assuming you posted this in jest, so forgive me if I've missed the bus, but these are actually very important things to ask for everyone when approached by LE. Charges get dismissed when they answer them wrong or inaccurately. I many cases, they do not have the right to withhold an articulable suspicion, so getting their lack of a response is extremely important, and these two questions are how you get that.
That said, people can also use them to be obnoxious, so I also assume that might have been the joke here. Sorry again. I'm very dense.
- Several years ago I was unlawfully arrested for refusing to sign a medical release. I fought the charge and had it dropped, but the experience was extremely upsetting.
  In the US, law enforcement can and will:
  Attempt to coerce you into incriminating yourself. Attempt to trick you into consenting to a search of your property. Attempt to stop you for long enough to find evidence or suspicion of a crime, or provoke you into commiting one.
  Everyone should know how to exercise their rights to politely but firmly deal with this behavior.
- You’re free to go.
- Nope. You nailed it. I actually ask these questions.

"Not a U.S. citizen"

Throw this ass clown out into international waters like they're DJ Jazzy Jeff overstaying his welcome

But none of the responsibilities.

Also, "I'm only affected by international treaties because I'm a Sovereign Citizen" and "This correspondence is illegal duo to US law Title 18 1341&1342.”

The all rights reserved line confuses me the most here. Where and to what are they asserting copyright?
Are they claiming copyright on all that gibberish that they copied from a webpage somewhere or are they claiming that MDHS and the Census Bureau are violating copyright by printing their name and address on the letters?
Without a treaty with Mississippi (which I don’t think a state can enter into an international treaty to begin with) or the US Government, this chucklefuck can’t really assert that they want their copyright protected and enforced by the US when they are claiming that the US violated that copyright (still don’t know what is supposed to be copyrighted).
Another thing always frustrates me with this stuff is that anyone who has watched the news in the past 40 years should be well aware that the US and plenty of other countries don’t really give a shit about sovereignty unless there’s a treaty, a bunch of nuclear weapons, a big ass military, or a powerful economy protecting it.
- They're trying to claim copyright for what they wrote on the letter, so it can't be shown to any third party without their permission.
  That way it's impossible to prove in court that they received the notice, cause the judge isn't allowed to see it.

Sovereign citizens are a hilarious little delight to break up the drudge that these times bring. There's always a balance.

These people are called Cookers where I'm from, because their brain is cooked.

Mate

I bet their car is a fucking sight.

It's their vanifesto
- I learned a new word today!

One of my favorite youtubers munecat made a great video on Sovereign Citizens and how the brain rot is going international

Lots of countries have a variant of these crazies. e.g. Freemen of the Land in the UK, Ireland & commonwealth, Reichsburger in Germany. It all boils down to the same thing - very, very stupid people think they can steal property, dodge taxes or get out of legal trouble with pseudo legal incantations based on misinterpretation of obscure treaties or defunct laws. And naturally what happens is they miraculously transform minor infractions into massive fines and actual prison time. Very, very stupid people and occasionally very dangerous.
- ‘Reichsburger’ sounds like a fast food item
  “Hello let me get one Reichsburger with cheese” “Do you want fries with that?”
- It's really successful psy op propaganda. Divide and conquer. Make people fight against their own country from within, if you're lucky you won't have to fire a single bullet, just fan the flames until the country burns itself to the ground.
  You know who.
It's a great video by an awesome channel

I do not know who you are and I do not understand your intent

My dude, the name of the organization and the stated intent of the letter is literally in the envelop you're writing on top of.

Title 18 1341 covers fraud by US mail. I kind of doubt that official government agencies, with charters and legal authorities for operation, are committing mail fraud on the regular and that sovereign citizens are the only ones smart enough to peel back the veil.

Maybe the rest of us sheeple need to wake up.

I wonder what kind of protections and rights that sovereign citizens actually have. Non-US citizen resident aliens and tourists with Visas all enjoy some rights. Native peoples with tribal sponsorship have another set of rights. Sovereign citizens fall into none of those buckets as they reject the notion of obtaining permission to enter and reside in-country and they also apparently renounce citizenship if they had it in the first place. Does this mean that they fall into the illegal alien classification? As people with no country, where would they even be deported to?

I kind of doubt that official government agencies, with charters and legal authorities for operation, are committing mail fraud on the regular and that sovereign citizens are the only ones smart enough to peel back the veil.
I think that is a great summary of their beliefs.
Sovcits don’t have the right to renounce their nationality as far as the USA government is concerned.
There is an official process to remove USA citizenship/nationality, it costs money and has to be done at an embassy. See here:
travel.gov faq
Importantly:
“The U.S. Department of State and the U.S. Supreme Court have concluded that the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality […] does not exist where a renunciant claims a right to continue to reside in the United States, unless the renunciant demonstrates that residence will be as an alien documented properly under U.S. law.”
Since sovcits don’t have a second nationality, they can’t live here legally as an alien. So basically, their request to renounce their nationality would be rejected. They still owe taxes and child support, so sad for them. They still may be able to reject their citizenship (right to passports, right to vote) but not their nationality and couldn’t be deported. I’m not a lawyer, I mean, just thought it was interesting. I imagine children who’s parents have not gotten them a birth certificate would have similar (but fixable) legal problems.
Anyway, stateless people do actually exist in the world, they are refugees and face hardship. The UN considers it a human rights problem.
I found this article interesting (it is about stateless refugees trapped in the USA, and this law college would like to advocate for them):
U Chicago article
They talk often about having a local state assembly, which seems to be their local collective of bonkers sovcits.
Not sure where they will be sent, but pretty certain that the men who "deport" them will be wearing white coats.
To chucklefuck island, of course…

This very much walks the line between "sovereign citizen lunatic" and "needs to be committed to a mental institution." Although to be fair, it's a pretty blurry line.

What it's not completely sane to send mail back to its source covered in insane statements?

I was about to say 'these people vote' but....do they?

Heck no, voting would create enjoinder merging the real person with the legal person and they'd have to write their name in all capital letters from then on and put a gold fringe on all their flags
- Why did you just respond to me? I do not understand your intent.
  I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU
- Remember in Contact when she was in the ship and the like....ghost face kept coming off of her face and saying other stuff? Yeah. That's what would happen.
Removing themselves from the political process is the last smart thing they do

I can't believe we forgot to sign a treaty with this fellow.

Hey, Blinken!!

Did you just say "Abe Lincoln"?

This is like a shittier unhinged version of Liam Neeson's phone call in Taken

They’ve used all the magical incantations they could find on social media while doing “research.”

They have the finest education Google University offers. Given the quality of Google's search results is rapidly circling the drain, this is truer than ever.

Meanwhile me, "No one by that name has lived here since at least X" or "No such business at this address, the LLC was dissolved in 2017". I get a lot of credit card offers for previous owners and businesses they sat up. Sometimes for businesses that haven't existed in years.

I throw that stuff straight in the recycle bin. If the previous owner cant be arsed to change the mailing address of their rental LLCs, I can't be arsed to do it either.
- I only do it in hopes that it might remove it from the list or something.

For those curious...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1341

I don't even understand what they are citing.

The sov cit folks think that laws are magic words, and if you recite them in the right order you can do anything you want.
- So like... delusional Harry Potter fans.
- To be fair to them, this IS effectively how law is supposed to work. Watch "Breaking the Spell" . It's a great film.
This section contemplates mail fraud and the penalties incurred for committing said fraud.
I find it incredibly entertaining that, although these laws magically do not apply to them, these people invoke them to attempt to intimidate government officials.

That's a lot of magik incantations right there or plain old ignorant wishful thinking - I'm not sure which.

I did know a guy that tried to be a sovereign citizen. He was never the brightest wick in the candelabra and was also a huge conspiracy nut and misinformed health nut ever. Overall, he was pretty harmless and never caused anyone any problems. Just a really strange guy.

Are you sure about that, buddy?

"I'm a sovereign citizen your laws don't apply to me, except when they pertain to rights that I like"
I wouldn't mind the movement too much if they actually practiced what they preached and went and lived on some large ranch somewhere in the middle of nowhere and grew all their own food and never left.
They pretend that it's like going back to basics hunter gatherer lifestyle, but really it's just about not paying taxes.
- I think it's the general "mom said you can't go over this line, what're you gonna do, what're you gonna do, what're you gonna do, what're you gonna do".
  On principle they are right, in general they're just intolerable little brothers.

In case you've never heard of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

I've even seen videos on YouTube, but my brain genuinely won't process that they're for real.
Like even clicking into the comments my thought was: really does anyone really think this. Idk

I simply love the title of this post.

MS resident

This is 1000% accurate

"visual storyteller" 😂

It's a shame because I agree with them in principle (I don't feel like a UK citizen, I feel like a human) but they seem to lack awareness of reality. Yes, the government is overbearing and an unjustified power in your life, no that doesn't mean you can pretend they don't exist and not face consequences. I wish it were that easy

I too find laughing at people with serious mental illness so wholesome /s

Not everything is mental illness, some people are just dumb and smug about it.
- This is though.