Feeling the lack of moderation now Reddit?

...tantrum...

What a fart gobbler.

I didn't have a "tantrum" when they blocked my 3rd-party app for corporate reasons... I just stopped using Reddit.
- Exactly, I didn't have a tantrum. I used a third party app because of the accessibility features it offered that the official app doesn't. I can't use reddit now, so I don't use reddit.
- So now they are pushing the narrative eight months later that people left in a tantrum?
  The fact they still talk about that over there says a lot.
- Me too, I did most of my redditing on the phone. So the only redditing I do these days is when on desktop looking for various hardware recommendations, cause unfortunately I don't know how to search lemmy that well
Exactly. It's like hey... If the corpos take a dump in your mouth you can either leave or you can stick around and complain about the taste. And yet the people who left are the whiners?
“Sure, 90% of the sub voted for this and the reasons for shutting down are clearly laid out, but y’all are doing this for literally no reason. Stop throwing a tantrum and give me my memes NOW.”
- They won I guess, enjoy.
...disappeared...
I wonder where they went...
- People on reddit genuinely don't know because the L word gets the ban hammer there
Hey, don't insult fart gobblers
Who cares
Fart gobbler! I’d go as far as to call them a nose-picker

Surely, attacking the mods of a community and calling them whiny babies will get you what you want, right?!

They are my mods, they should do as I command
- I’m a motherfuckin user. I log onto this website sometimes. That means I dictate when you shit and for how long. Just be glad your breathing is out of my control. For now.
- People have gotten fucking insane with this "Everybody should do exactly what I think they should do at all times full stop and if they don't they're literal fucking garbage, and if you disagree or care about a different thing than me you're just a whiny baby whining about baby stuff" mentality.
  I'm a lefty, and it's an election year which means I get to deal with this for 10 months straight from the dems.
- adjusts monocle
  That’s no way to speak to us landed gentry, you filthy casual.
- They are my mods. I may insult them as i please. If others do so, they die!
Landed gentry!
When I read that I never went back.
- I never fully understand that, is that an insult? English ain't my first language and I was honestly not sure if I felt offended by that lol, I swear I looked for it on the web, but it wasn't clear for me either.
My old modmail sure seems to indicate people thought that way
- I used to be a mod at /r/soccer, and it was a great way for you to lose faith in humanity.
  We saw it all, racism, death threats, insults, even an instance where one user found a mod's place of work and stalked them. We also had one guy that was obsessed with a footballer spam the sub with bots for several days, because he wasn't allowed to post whatever he liked. It took the admin's three days to fix...
  More often than not, it was people that didn't read the rules, and got upset that all subs didn't run on the idea that "if people upvote it, it's allowed".
- RIP Inbox :P
"...until morale improves"

Love how they bellyache about the mods not doing a good enough job when they spent the final weeks of the June protest harassing the existing mods and and basically dismissing and disrespecting all the work we were doing for the past decade. They just expected things to go back to business as usual and the mods should just shut up and continue doing unpaid janitorial duties for the benefit of spez out of sheer momentum I guess? The scale of their entitlement is unreal.

Yeah, that was part of the reason I decided to leave. I mean, it wasn’t the only reason by far, but just another item to snowball into the “fuck this platform” that pushed me to leave.
The number of people that actively told me I was dumb, abusing power, and my moderating could be done by anyone was crazy.
Then they bitched about the moderation quality going down when 50% of the moderation actions walked out the door.
- The r/piracy wiki died when I stopped updating it which is a shame, I used to recommend it to everyone. Now I pass them onto FMHY or awesome.
- How could you?! As a Karen I demand the r/piracy manager and that he forces you to go back and work for free!
- I got banned this week from r/aboringdystopia for "spreading misinformation" by sharing a france24 link (credible established newspaper) debunking thegrayzone (whatever that is).
  Screenshot
  Here is the url I was trying to share.
"Clean it up janny!" Good on you for getting out
- I always laughed when someone called us a "janitor" after we banned them. Like you understand in this analogy you are the trash being taken out, right?
- "They do it for free!"
  Not anymore, fucko. Have fun selling your ungovernable site.

"If you don't like spez decision, then just open up the sub and leave!"

Mods left

"Where is all the mods?"

"They're just butthurt they didn't get any support hue hue hue"

Internet is a funni place.

I’ll be honest here: it was pretty fun to respond to people going “well if you hate it here so much, then just leave!“ with “I did, check the sidebar.” I stuck around for a few days after to help the mods with a few unruly threads, banned a few problem users on a different sub I was just sick of, then left forever.

Piracy mods are few of the mods with a backbone that actually left reddit because of all the bullshit.

They probably realized the same skillset that set up their *arr config could be used to host a lemmy instance
- I mean, even a lot of the bigger lemmy instances are of mixed thought on whether to federate with "piracy" instances (I want to say lemmy.world federated and defederated a couple times?).
  Reddit Corporate is trying to go public. The piracy subs were going to be purged sooner than later and The Exodus was an opportunity to move the community en masse.
- If I had to guess ;)
- Seems about right
A lot of the sports sub mods I frequent put up a hard fight and many just walked away. The change in those communities has been noticable. Especially since they can no longer use API to import clips as they happen, engagement and content is way down. There used to be highlights for days, just automatically.
- Oh I didn't even think of the auto content that could be generated with the API
Shout-out to the /r/Sysadmin mods who decided subreddit uptime was too important to partake in the blackout. Man that place just had a really toxic tone and really made me strongly want to avoid the Sysadmin career track
- You have probably already seen this:
  https://xkcd.com/705/
  Anyway, people are mostly not like that anymore.
- At least here I don’t have to read /u/crankysysadmin telling everyone they’re entitled and need to do better work and ignore their personal problems in every thread
It was pretty funny when push came to shove and they all pulled their heads in. "Well if I don't do what they're saying they might remove me so I have to do what they say for the good of the community". That's.... not how that works.

Don't they understand the mods leaving is a consequence of that "tantrum"?

They're clearly using shaming tactics. By calling it a "tantrum" they try to make those mods look childish. In reality the mods demanded something to make their jobs easier, the company refused, so they parted ways.
- Not "job", these are "volunteering contributions", that are not only time consuming, mentally consuming, and unpaid as well.
Probably not, I doubt they even understand what the fuss was even about and are now wondering why quality has gone down so much and why subs are becoming full of spam and reposes.

Seems like the way for reddit to "solve" this is to just close bad subs.

But that's easily exploited, if people migrate to other subs and start protesting the sub closures, those subs get worse and they need to be closed...

Oh no, reddit, did you just discover that you relied on your users to make your site good and by screwing them over you've made your entire business unsustainable at scale?

Also, somewhat related, is there a short snappy name for lemmy communities? Some people call them subs out of habit but I don't wanna do that, and "communities" is four whole syllables, and ain't nobody got time for that.

Kbin calls them "magazines", which has the advantage of being only three syllables but has the disadvantage of being a dumb name for them.
- Yeah, I don't see anyone adopting "mags" or "zines" either.
"solve"
to make your site good
unsustainable
I think you're misunderstanding reddit's goal. Over the past year, they have been in IPO mode. They don't care about making the site good or attracting a healthy community. They want to cash out and are burning down any structures that are providing any resistance to that.
- Hopefully it costs them dearly. Kinda like the whole Tumblr censorship fiasco and drastic fall in value but before they sell it. Put #FuckSpez in the poor house
- You're right, they aren't trying to make something sustainable. I guess I was giving them too much credit when I said that.
  The problem they're facing here is that if they can't sustain even the appearance of a functioning site that investors might want to buy, then they fail at that too.
  So maybe the best way to fix this is just to ride it out and not close the subs, but if they're just full of users that have finally clocked why mods are needed and that the place sucks now, that's also a bad look.
  If the search engines start to realise that it's a cesspit with nothing worth linking to anymore, then that really hits their metrics. I've just realised I really need to get onto downloading my posts and deleting them.
Well call them.... Cummies
- "Any recommendations for good cummies here?"
  "I usually start my day just laying in bed and checking out new cummies"
  "It's unfortunate that niche cummies don't always have the support needed to stick around. I've seen great cummies wiped away before they could really build any volume up."
  "It's so often overlooked, but proper handling of cummies is really what keeps them enjoyable day after day."
  Yep, I see no fault with the naming scheme here. Really rolls off the tongue well too. Very palatable. Definitely not absolutely cursed.
- What the fuck
Subs still works in my mind. Subdirectories of all, or subscriptions… whichever way you want to think of it. I never really thought of subs as short for subreddits though, that was just convenient marketing based of those same terms.
- Yeah subs and the mods are the doms, which works for my dyslexic, kinky ass.
They are called "lemmy communities" or "communities"
"Sublemmies" is cringe and is some weird portmanteau with subreddit which is stupid because I don't know why people are still attached the idea of subreddits since this isn't reddit and "lemmings" which some users like to call lemmy users but I don't agree with that either and "lemmy users" sounds like a better term to use
So many people here are trying to emulate reddit when this isn't reddit, yes some features from reddit would be nice like a group collection of subreddits like multireddits did and post flairs but this still isn't reddit
- A short name for communities would be groups. I like to call the users fedizens, as it is not specific to one software.
- I mostly call them "cees", ex "The linux cee on .ml"
- ...and "lemmings" which some users like to call lemmy users but I don't agree with that either and "lemmy users" sounds like a better term to use
  This is just how communities work: people will find names for things and other people are reproducing them if they like the term.
Commies.
- Given the automotive slang term for "transmission", I think this one has a chance
- I can't decide if I hate that or love it.
Coms?
I've seen "Lemmies", I've also seen "sublemmies" which brings "subs" back on the table imo. Alternatives are /c/s, commus, com's, etc.
- I guess "subs" isn't exactly a reddit specific term. I don't even know if it started there tbh.
  I've just realised there's nothing wrong with taking some of the language they used, we are after all following the basic link aggregator format.
- I like communities and sublemmies.
  Coms/commus sounds forced and unnecessary, doubt it’ll catch on.
  As for Lemmies, I think that should be a synonym for instances/servers. So, for example, the biggest Lemmy with the most sublemmies would be lemmy.world.
  And of course, the users are lemmings.
- @Obi /c/s is not long (albeit a bit complicated to write, on phone at least) and it could easily be expanded verbally, so you know that /c/s = communities.
  On Friendica, everything that is not a person or a page is displayed as a group. As a Facebook alternative, it does make sense, but for you in the Lemmy world I imagine it would sound a bit bland. 😁
  @Excrubulent
I'd like the name to be "community feed" and "feeds" for short. Reddit was always essentially a collective rss with voting weights. In this way "subs" would still work since one subscribes to the feeds.
Ultimately it's something the devs need to encourage though
Coms?
what about munie(s)?

I like it here on Lemme. I feel pretty comfy. And most of you here are tech savvy. And if not, at least you have some level of basic true understanding of how technology works., Unlike those impostor syndrome redditors. And I suppose it's a plus that corporations don't hunt us down for discussing piracy.

the larger we get, the more it will get fucked by ai bots, corporations, and shitty content creators
- The term, "enshitification" is getting bandied about a lot. But the bots and corporations are an inevitable part of capitalism. Make money at all costs, never be satisfied with what you have, and treat everybody that isn't you like a stepping stone.
  Scammers and sociopathic c-levels are missing something fundamentally human. A complete lack of empathy. But this has always been a part of our species. The difference now is that we have a system that dramatically rewards that sickness. And that's not even getting into how being able to be evil at scale is going to make the next few decades interesting.
- The best way to fight it is to simply be unmarketable as a community. This is how Verizon ended up having to sell Tumblr for less than 1% of the price they paid for it like only 3 years later. If the cost outweighs the benefit, fewer people will bother trying.
- I feel like you could make your own instance at that time.

What a goofy interpretation of that series of events. Reddit changes API which fucks over moderators -> mods protest and say if they can't use these tools they can't moderate -> when API restrictions come into effect, mods either leave over moderating being way harder now or basically not being able to mod

Why is that final step so hard for this person to believe? All of Reddit moderation wasn't lying to people for fun

Why is that final step so hard for this person to believe? All of Reddit moderation wasn't lying to people for fun
You are so naive to believe they even were aware of step 1 lol.
They just were mad at their favorite subreddits being closed against their will, that and just being inconsiderate pricks.
What amused me back then is that in most of the subreddits I was subbed there were polls where mods were gonna act as the results said, (we were basically running against the time, so there were not very many alternatives for this kind of democracy, I add this note because many people were very mad and argued they never got to nor realize there was an ongoing poll lol) and more users approved to keep the protests and regardless these cunts were saying that this was mod's power abuse lol.
- Dead internet theory
Also wasn't the sub basically taken over by one mod who spends their time working their way into as many moderator positions as possible and then not doing anything with them? Looking at their post history they've made like a dozen posts in the last month and one of them was asking to mod another sub.

wonder how mods disappearing and reddit API changes might be related 🤔

God, that last comment. Maybe it was more important than you understand, stupid kid

It's like the Fonz jumping the shark all over again.

News reports have Reddit making the IPO push this year. Get ready for more DRAMA!

Will be really sad when the ransomware files get leaked on the IPO date lol
- Wait, what ransomware files lol.
That's been said for the last 3 years.

The smaller communities just aren’t here yet. Lemmy scratch’s the itch for news, politics, and memes, but does not cover many niche interests.
- That, and the smaller communities that are here tend to be split between multiple instances.
- Thank goodness people on reddit aren't self righteous lol

See, you know Reddit is packed with bots when that shitty repost has 6000 upvotes and "does this sub don't have mods" has 129.

See, you know Reddit is packed with bots when that shitty repost has 6000 upvotes
This shitty re-repost on Lemmy has 1020 upvotes.
“does this sub don’t have mods” has 129.
Quoting the poet Bill Foster: "Well, maybe if you wrote it in fucking English, I could fucking understand it."
- I understood it perfectly well. Did you don’t read it?
Bots are like gonna upvote this fast 🥵

Silly question: is there a community for real, sailing piracy?

Not sure how many Somalis use Lemmy and how good their 5G is on the water
- Their spell check sucks too. "I'm the capstan now!"
- Probably better than at&t in the middle of the city.
- Make a lemmy instance for somalian pirates
I don’t think the worlds remaining sea pirates are very technical, or smart at all for that matter.
- If Piracy wasn't a legit, high technician career, why would MIT offer a Pirate Certificate?
- "A lot of technical terms there. We're naught but humble pirates!"
I imagine there are fan groups for Our Flag Means Death.
- Got cancelled though, so don’t expect much growth

Considering I found this comment on Reddit, I guess so.

- Why am I seeing this sort of 5000x too-large-embedded thing not on a HexBear account? On Lemmy.world of all instances?
- ?

"Yeah, well, but having no mods is actually great, we don't even need no mods and these grapes are too sour anyway." - not an alt account of spez at all

Awww that's too bad.

I don't see anything that would need to be moderated here? Or is it just about these comments that are unrelated to the post?

I think they're complaining about a low effort meme in /r/piracy.
- But the sub was always filled with those.
There are many (re)posts with this "if paying isn't owning..." slogan and also many memes being made about the reposts. The piracy subreddit doesn't seem to have a whole lot of piracy right now, it's just, well, this

Oi @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ! Are you one of the Reddit Piracy mods? Or are one of your brethren here from Reddit?

I must say I find Piracy, Linux and the Star Trek communities have had a rip-roaringly successful switch over.

I much prefer Lemmy. I have the opportunity to call you a "dick head" whereas on Reddit there's no way Spez would ever see me calling him a "dick head".

That makes me feel powerful and I become engorged.

So, anyway, are you one of the Reddit mods?

P.S. I can't post to this community from Lemmy.World.

P.S. I can’t post to this community from Lemmy.World.
Strange, there are quite a few comments from that instance
- I think I'm connecting from lemmy.world right now

Can someone explain me this "Reddit API" thing?

Tldr They started charging 3rd party apps to use their API. The API that they had been using for ages and ages. They were shady about the timeline and their communication to devs was awful. So most 3rd party apps decided to end support as opposed to paying reddit.
Basically they wanted to make sure all users were seeing ads before their IPO.
I was a relay for reddit guy for ~10 years. Once the subscription update hit I uninstalled and moved to boost for lemmy.
- Not quite correct. They didn't start charging for API usage. They banned it and pretended it could be paid for with completely absurd prices nobody could reasonably afford.
- A key thing about the API is that moderating gets harder when the apps that moderators use to streamline/facilitate their work suddenly stopped working. Those apps relied on the Reddit API. These were created by and for the moderator community out of necessity.
  Moderators had asked Reddit for tools and when Reddit didn’t provide they built their own. Then Reddit switched off the API without offering replacement tools.
  That’s likely the primary reason that Reddit’s mods left and its content took a nosedive.
- Further TL;DR
  In preparation for an IPO:
  Reddit: you must now only use our app to prop up our add revenue. No third party apps (unless you pay us handsomely)
  Everyone: no thanks, just make our own alternative
- I really miss a good Lemmy mobile client though...I was using liftoff which reminded a lot of RIF, but that seems to have been abandoned completely. A lot have ads, so that's a hard pass for me. I'm currently using Thunder, but it's a pretty buggy mess TBH with a lot of UI oddities and bugs.
Mods used third party tools to help them with their unpaid work. These tools relied on access to the reddit api.
Then reddit charged ridiculous prices for api access, which would mean the apps would need money, so mods would need to pay to do their unpaid work or use the inferior reddit interface.
Given these choices, some mods decided to leave instead.
- Reddit enhancement suite still works on old Reddit, so if you need decent tools, you can still mod from your computer. But no more moderating from the toilet at work. No more moderating on the bus.
  One subreddit I still occasionally visit is now only moderated on the weekend. You can imagine how the quality has dropped
Reddit used to have a free and open API. This allowed 3rd parties to develop apps / interfaces for the site. These apps helped everything from making the site usable for some with accessibility issues to blocking ads to providing a customized interface to tons of other things.
Generally this was done by taking the API feed and re-engineering it to allow the desired presentation.
In a move to make the company more attractive to investors before going public, Reddit changed that API to a paid model. This meant any developer of those 3rd party apps would now have to pay a not insignificant in most cases fee to continue their access to Reddit. As such, most apps closed down and a very small portion of us long time Redditors migrated to Lemmy/ the fediverse.
Reddit used to have an open API. A lot of mobile apps sprung up to access reddit over the years, with different features. Reddit gained a lot of loyal members through users of these apps, but couldn't make ad revenue off them. Reddit decided last summer to start charging a lot of money to these app developers to continue using the API. A few of the apps started a for-pay subscription model to continue operating, but many just shut down their apps. Many redditors and Reddit mods revolted, because these apps made the site usable (some of them offered advanced mod tools, etc). We protested, shut down subreddits temporarily or permanently, deleted our accounts, moved to new platforms (like lemmy/kbin), etc. This was basically a move to maximize their ad revenue while Reddit positions itself for an IPO. It was really not cool.

I wouldn't mod r/privacy at reddit and become the case law that removes section 230 immunity from internet moderators and ending up in prison for lols. Fuck that. They were just reporting on how reddit inc is under pressure to share identifying information about posters to that forum to authorities. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/film-studios-demand-ip-addresses-of-people-who-discussed-piracy-on-reddit/

Is like twice a week I see that sentiment on here. What's OP complaining about? Their mirror?

The BS in the last comment aside, what about the meme needs moderating? Was it a repost, or is the argument it makes unacceptable on reddit's piracy board?

Ew

How are you viewing this?

As in what app ks that?

Sync for Reddit patched with Revanced, but not sure if it is worth the hassle though.
- It's not. Reddit is a cesspool full of shills, brigading, shitty mods, and bootlicking idiots. I appreciate your use of revanced, though!