Accurate?

People don't seriously try to use Kali as a daily driver, do they? That's just a meme, right? Right?

there was a point where script kiddies thought using Kali meant installing Kali, so at one point yes it has been used as a daily driver.
- I remember having a conversation with a coworker who was getting into Linux when Kali was a big deal for script kiddies. He told me he installed it and I was like "dude you want it to be a read only OS, don't install it. Just boot to it from a CD or USB." We went back and forth on that for weeks until I just gave up and labeled him an idiot in my mind.
When I was a kid I installed it and was like "hooHOO, me hacker", so there are silly things like that.
Nevermind me being too intimidated by CLI to do anything in Linux at the time lmfao.
It's been a while since I've thought about it, so what are the reasons why it's a bad daily driver? I assume there's poor support for drivers, hardware, etc.?
Or is it when you do pen testing you don't want to leave traces of yourself? I'm not a cybersecurity guy, so I genuinely don't know.
- so what are the reasons why it's a bad daily driver?
  Don't need to go any further than "default user is root."
I've had this conversation with lots of first time Linux users. They think that Kali is the most hardcore hacker OS and that's what they need to run for a introduction to security course.
Actually, Garuda Linux is really easy to use
- Actually, Garuda Linux is really easy to use
  I agree; that's what I use on my main PC. Not sure what that has to do with Kali though.

Hannah Montana 5 eva.
- Die, heathen!
  I use TempleOS btw.
From the FAQ of the site & its legendary navbar:
Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?
A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.

What the fuck the do you have a life question is so offensive! Stop trying to just be edgy in memes!

I'm so sick of these stupid stereotypes that the Linux community has. I'll have you know that I use both Debian and Fedora and I do not in fact have a life.

Replace kali with nixos, and it'd be accurate 😁 Also, gentoo.

And Kali is more like "are you older than 13 → no"

Gentoo:
- why are there 10 tuxes at the top of the screen
Kali is pretty much debian with extra toppings
- Debian with metasploit pre-installed and some fancy shell presets

Do you fear god?

Yes: TempleOS

No: Hannah Montana Linux

Blasphemy. Hannah Montana is a god.
- I thought Alanis Morissette was god....

I do like privacy, but I also have a VR headset so ¯(ツ)/¯ windows it is

Yeah, honestly, when Windows packaged Telemetry data collection it was a controversy but people quickly found out how to disable it.
Is there a reason vr doesn't work on Linux?
- Steam just made a big step forward with steam link, but previously the headset manufacturers were releasing Windows only link software.
  Also there are now open source solutions like ALVR.... But like most FOSS it can require some know how.
  (Or maybe he meant Meta is getting all his data anyways, why be picky)
I do like privacy, but I'm lazy.
You can easily debloat Windows with shutup10.

I don't get all the Apple hate from the Linux community. Out of the box you have a fully usable *NIX machine --- they even switched the default shell to zsh! No advertising in the Start menu, and ssh (client and server) included by default. Install homebrew and boom --- tmux, htop, nload, lolcats.....most of your favorite tools can be installed easy as on any linux distro.

I use Debian for personal use, and I much prefer it...but basically only because I prefer i3 to the Mac GUI.

Virtually non-repairable hardware I'm especially salty on disks and keyboards. The SMCs have been garbage for years.
Expensive as hell.
Crappy default package management. Crappy heat management. Years of ignoring customers wants (escape key). Their logs are half-assed. Xcode is pretty trashy and they keep doing non backwards compatible upgrades for things. Once* a box reaches a number of years old You can't get OS updates anymore then you can't have xcode versions updates anymore.
They're pretty, They have great battery life, and they're *nix but the advantages fall apart pretty quickly when you start digging into them.
- Crappy default package management.
  What's wrong with homebrew?
- Wait, what's up with the escape key? I don't know much about macs
EOL support. I have a 11-12 year old System76 laptop. Works perfectly on the latest Ubuntu version.
Their shitty walled garden for both software (iOS) and hardware (soldered components that don't need to be).
Overpriced.
Fake sense of privacy.
I used Mac OS 6.x through 10.4. When I was in college and couldn't afford to replace my aging G4, I triple booted Fedora, Mac OS X, and Windows on a hackintosh where I gravitated towards mostly Linux and Windows for a couple games. Owned a couple iPhones but decided to role Android when the nexus 6 came out to save some money when I had my first child on the way and my current phone was dying.
I don't miss anything I left behind. Had a short stint at work during COVID where I was given a MacBook. While not horrible, I ran into enough nuances I was able to justify to my work using a Linux laptop instead. I just don't find anything appealing to give them my business.
Apple is an awful company that screws thee customers over every chance they get
But why did they default to zsh?
- Because they didn't like that bash was GPL
- Because they are asshats
  But really, because of the licenses. Bash went to gpl3.
Agreed. Macs are perfectly fine and capable UNIX machines, really the only problem with them is the price. And yes I get that some people aren't fans of the UI but it requires no more of a learning curve than, say, GNOME.
But whatever. I'm not even offended by this meme, it's actually rather factual on the whole, which can't be said for everything posted in this group.
Stallman on why free software is important.
Apple gets hate from everyone. Windows users, *nix users; doesn't matter. The only ones who don't hate apple are clowns. Are you a clown?
Mac is proprietary bullshit that's why. It's fine for work usage. At home I want to support FOSS.
Also MacBooks are a ripoff. You get 6-8 years of support and then all updates stop. Not worth it when Linux support is indefinite, and even Windows gets you 10+ years.

Am I stupid. Most Linux users I know are more paranoid about tech than anyone else

The difference between paranoia and fear is the difference between not wanting to buy a Google Home because it listens to you and not wanting to buy a Google Home because you're afraid you'll break it.
- That is actually a great metaphore. I always just used:
  It's like me not wanting to use google photos because they scan your photos to train algorithms vs my mom not wanting to use google photos because she is afraid all of her photos will get deleted.
This is the comment I was looking for. I am very paranoid of technology and live in a constant fear of 0-day exploits and encryption backdoors.

I have been using the same Arch installation for about 8 years. The initial installation/configuration is the only time consuming part. Actual day-to-day usage is extremely easy.

Maybe this is no longer the case but I previously used Ubuntu and it was actually much more annoying in comparison, especially when upgrading between major revisions or needing to track down sources/PPAs for packages not in the main repos. Or just when you want something more up-to-date than what they're currently shipping.

The rolling release model + the AUR saves so much time and prevents a lot of headaches.

You may have just sold me on Arch.
I have never been able to hold down an Ubuntu install for very long without getting that dreaded you have held broken packages scold.
- Yeah, I love Arch for the same reasons. Try installing it in a VM and using it a bit, and you'll see that it's quite an easy OS to use now.
- You can follow the wiki guide and really have a solid systems that is just yours. That will take some time and can be a little frustrating.
  Or use the installer script they have included for a year or more now and get to a working desktop in 20-30 minutes.
  But if you feel the need to trim down the scripted version, you can make it just a strong as the step-by-step install in a few hours.
  I have used the same step-by-step based on the wiki install since 2016, on my daily driver laptop
Same Gentoo installation for last 5 years.
Here's BTWOS for you:

Oh god yeah that's the fate of snap and flat pack.
Install OBS studio, current version has some issues oh look there's a flat pack install the flat pack instead. OBS runs great. Oh, I need some plugins Go to install the plugins, The plugins folder isn't where it belongs. I scrape along and find the plugins folder I try to shove them in there doesn't work. Oh I need to find the flat pack installer for the plugin.... But half the s*** I want isn't available.
I truly appreciate them trying to make things more universal and easier. But it's a fine line we're walking between easy but unconfigurable and non-standard complicated but flexible.
Worth noting, this meme is from the time before Arch had an easy installer. So that's probably what it's referring to. I joined Linux almost 4 years ago, and this meme already existed then. I dunno how old it really is.
This sounds like my Ubuntu xp as well. Although I haven't had the arch xp to compare it against which makes me slightly hesitant to jump in.
I'm pretty tempted to revamp my old laptop to arch though. Just needs funds for enough personal storage first.
I totally get that
reminds me of what happens when developing software and using “no code” tools. Fragile and inflexible but if you meet the exact use case in the exact way it’s an instant win

read fedora as facebook and then just imagined facebook putting out a facebook distro

Zuck Linux - would make canonical look like saints
I mean, Microsoft also has their Linux distro, sort of: https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner
When you want to use Linux but miss the invase data collection of windows

Accurate for a Linux meme, yes.

Accurate in real life? No.

Thank you! So I CARE about my privacy, so ChromeOS is on the table!?

Ubuntu shouldn't be with those who care about privacy. Snap is completely integrated into Ubuntu now.

What do we do with your information?

Your information is stored in our database and may be processed outside of the European Economic Area.

Canonical LTD.

https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy/snap-store

They're going to be just as bad as Apple, Google or Microsoft if they're given the market share. Corporations care only about one thing.

And they have a shocking share of the server market despite the existence of Debian. Unfortunate.

Hey I'm on Ubuntu because I'm lazy, not because I have a life

I fear technology, but in the "Technology will destroy us all unless we get a really good handle on it" kind of way. I use debian.

I don't understand why Windows is on the "no" side of "do you fear technology?"

Well, the other side would be operating systems you can't really screw up too badly because they are locked down harder, so perhaps it's fear of the unknown?
- definitely this
  people buy macs for macos or Chromebooks for chrome os because "windows just sucks because it breaks all the time" mentality you always see on Twitter
There are way more windows power users than mac power users
- I'm not sure, many developers use mac to get working unix tools and working "enterprise" tools at work like Teams and other crap that the company uses for "everyone". Sadly many of these tools work like crap on Linux and maybe in best case the web-version is workable.
Agree. Windows sucks ass. Most professional software developers I know use MacOS actually.
- I'd give up half of my salary to use windows instead of macos for my dev work.

No, not accurate. NixOS isn't anywhere in there

This is a very old meme. NixOS wasn't popular then (or didn't exist, I dunno).
- Nix is like 20 years old, wasn't popular and still isn't 😅

Please describe "having a life".

- I wasn't asking about gender roles.
- Maybe you should get a life if a someone else’s personal choice for elected gender role pisses you off this bad.
- unironically yes, except instead of a lenovo thinkpad it's a lenovo legion

i’m gonna get crucified for giving apple a single benefit of a doubt but i think there are just as many windows users who “fear technology” as mac ones. think of all the grandparents running shitty dollar store pcs. mac is only a walled sandbox until you turn off the safeguards, then you can see exactly as much dumb back-end shit as you can on windows

I think this is sdvice on what you should do, not what people actually do. This would be why there is such a big industry for windows tech support. Tldr: Windows: Be afraid, very afraid.

Okay what is the Tux Jigsaw Puzzle one?

Also Gentoo?

Linux from scratch, a subdivision of really having nothing else to do
- Thanks for clarifying
- Wait, I thought LFS was long dead (as a project). Maybe I'm thinking of DSL though. Off to teh googles...
Tux Jigsaw is "Linux from Scratch." It's not really a distro, but rather a guide that walks you through configuring an entire Linux distro from the ground up.
Gentoo is a distro focused on compiling pretty much everything from source locally.
Yeah, honestly you can replace Arch with Gentoo. Arch is for when you don't have a life for an afternoon or two while you're getting set up. After that it's smooth.
- The Gentoo forums were a great help when I mained Gentoo. It's been years, needed windows to play WoW to avoid the bans at the time.
  Anyway yeah it was fun trying to figure out why it broke or what portage dependency blew up.

My arch install took some setup to get it specifically right for me, still trying to figure out the final touches. I have the entire thing encrypted and under btrfs sub-partitions. I set up secure boot as well and added it to my tpm. Last thing I got to do is set it up so it automatically decrypts on boot without a password. I've been liking this setup over my Fedora setup. I have to worry about smaller breakage every so often, but with Fedora I had to worry about big breakage every major version. Moving most of what I can to flatpak mitigated a lot of that though. I'm too lazy to replicate my arch setup on my laptop so that's just sticking with Fedora until I decide it should run something else.
- Sorry if this is a stupid question, and maybe it's because I'm not understanding exactly what you're saying, but what's the benefit of encrypting if it decrypts on boot without a password?
  Just to prevent someone who boots another OS on your device from being able to access your files? Something else?

What if you don't fear technology, have no life, and are technologically behind and don't understand what anything but the apple and windows symbols are? I recognize the penguin from an EEE PC that I had like 15 years ago, but that's it.

*Sorry I also recognize Google, just not immediately apparently.

Gotta ask the grandkids for help
- The worst part is I'm not old enough for grandkids lmao.
In that case, I guess it's time to get educated about Linux. At least to the point, where you understand, that what I'm referring to, should actually be called "GNU/Linux".
*"I recognize Google" is also not Google itself, but specifically the Chrome Logo that refers to Chrome OS in this case.
You’re a human with the knowledge of a time lord! You know more than you let on don’t you.
They’re distributions that add onto an open source set of softwares - including a kernel and common utilities - that can be made into a fully fledged operating system.
Together the family of OSes are referred to as Linux systems since the kernel (the main bit of an OS) is called Linux.
- Oooh I don't want to spoil new episodes for anyone so I can't actually respond to the Time Lord knowledge bit, but I feel like I recognized some of the words you used lmao.

I actually switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed from Ubuntu and love it. I know it's not as popular, but I can't see why. Rolling release, compatibility, support, it's awesome!

Tumbleweed gang rise up!

You can still run Arch & have a life. Arch actually just works if you use it correctly....

- |>be me, 4 chinner
  |>can't use Linux but wanna Seem cool
  |>make fake and gay shit post about driver not |Working to justify using Windows
  |>jerking it in the The shower while crying l8ter that day day
  |>KEK lul
  |>normies Suck don't they?
- Never had this problem, but I can see why someone probably could....
- I mean the projector set up is probably using some ungodly proprietary wireless Protocol that only works on Windows 10.
- tfw nvidia
I run Debian on my work laptops, and Arch on my gaming rig. They are absolutely equal in terms of time sink, and it's not that bad at all.
- Can totally agree. Debian & Arch are totally equal in terms of stability. Any Linux os can be unstable, it really all depends on how the user uses it....
- By Arch, do you use SteamOS on your gaming rig? And if not, what would be the determining factor?

No Mint?

Green Ubuntu
Mint was just some protest distro against gnome shell or whatever window manager Ubuntu promoted at the time. 10 years Iater I use Ubuntu with gnome
- It might be getting a second wind now as an escape from Wayland/NVIDIA and death by a thousand snaps. That was why I switched a few months ago; all I wanted was to play ETS2 on my old laptop, dangit.

I miss gentoo in your diagram

They think Kali(Debian Based) is harder than Gentoo I guess….. I miss seeing Slackware on these lists too
Here:
"Are you bookhorse?" -> "Yes"
I guess it would have to be the third option after yes and no.

If by daddy you mean business daddy, then yes, business daddies are usually rich.

My business daddy pays for my Apple machine and it's great for ssh-ing into various cloud-based Linux boxes.

I had a brief expedition into game development recently and ended up using Unreal Engine, I eventually gave up on Unreal -- but I do plan on checking out Godot. Although, I eventually go home sick for Linux (my computer isn't powerful enough to run a Windows VM with a game engine; please spare me), and ended up wanting a "it just works™" setup. So, logically, I try Fedora. Although, the installer just wouldn't boot, not on a USB, not on Ventoy, nothing. Just a cold dark screen with a solid underline cursor. I also tried OpenSUSE at one point, but there's some bad blood between me and that distro so I think I gave up at the installer. Anyway, I ended up installing Arch Linux, and would you look at that, the installer launches!

TL;DR: Arch Linux might take more time to get setup to your liking, but once you get it there, it it just works™.

PS: I have very much non-free hardware, this could be part of it -- and it made installing Artix Linux with hardware encryption very difficult that one time. :/

Edit: PPS: I'm not trying to say "don't use Fedora or OpenSUSE," use what you want. This is my experience.

Can manjaro be "no life but want it to work"

from what ive heard its easier to break manjaro than arch (or at least a well installed arch)
- I must have installed mine like shit then lol
Manjaro can be "never heard of EndeavourOS"

I’ve used most of these with the exception of ChromeOS and the “not having a life” category. I’d say it’s fairly accurate.

I have used almost all of them and ChromeOS is my daily driver.

I'd swap Ubuntu with Mint and Kali with something else tbh but aside from that fairly accurate

Mint
You mean "green Ubuntu"?
- Good Ubuntu*
- gr-Ubuntu or Grubuntu.
  It’s Ubuntu but you have to reinstall Grub every session

I am gonna go against the circlejerk here and publicly admit that I have a macbook pro, daddy aint rich either, I wanted something that would last and works well, it's both environmental and ux based decision for me, so it was either macbook or framework, since framework doesn't sell in my country It's an easy decision.

Also it's an os most people want it to just work, one of the main reasons why iOS and MacOs are popular, until there is a linux flavor like mac is made and then it's distributed as the default os, the year of the linux desktop will never come