Windows 11's adoption is much slower compared to Windows 10, claims Dell

It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7. You could even use the same PC.

It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10. You could even use the same PC.

This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option, forcing people to throw away their machines, and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good as it is today.

The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don't meet Windows 11's system requirements

So much unnecessary e-waste. I never want to hear about how 'green' or 'sustainable' Microsoft is again.

Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.
- Those people are stupid. Run a version of windows that won't make you part of a botnet and make you my problem or don't run it at all.
- I reinstalled Windows 7 on my laptop and dual-boot Linux and Windows 11 on my desktop.
- Windows 10 was when the stupid accounts became a thing on Windows and candy crush being installed after a fresh install so makes sense people never really loved 10. And they managed to make 11 even worse than it was at launch with the copilot crap.
Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.
Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM
The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn't actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs
- They need you to have tpm 2.0 in order to push passkeys which are stored on tpm 2.0
- They need it to run ai and bloat whithout it grinding to a halt.
Very good point. Especially with how broken pricing has been on home computers for years, throwing away your machine for something impossibly expensive is a tough sell to say the least. Especially in this economy. It‘s more feasible to switch to Linux.
they are forcing it earlier to stave off thier AI bubble bursting

Gee, I can't imagine why that could be.

Oh, I can think of a few reasons.
You know it's bad when even I switch to linux. I don't understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won't boot. I've done it many times over the coarse of the past year.
Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn't done.
That has been my experience using linux this past year.
But Windows 11? No.
- Idk wtf you guys are doing.
- I think you need Bazzite in your life (or some other immutable distro). But hey, fucking things up and recovering from it is how I learned both Windows and then Linux so there are upsides.
- That's how you level up in Linux. You break things, learn what you did wrong and do better next time. Linux won't hold your hand, you can and will shoot yourself in the foot.
  You are doing it right by having backups and playing it safe. You'll be ok.
- Since switching to Linux I have nuked my system maybe 5 or 6 times?
  When I initially installed it I set the EFI partition to ext4, that caused some trouble when I updated my kernel lol. Grub just stopped working a few times and then just recently I accidentally wrote a floppy disc image to the wrong drive and wiped out my /home partition. Luckily testdisk is a thing.
  For everything else I can just rely on my BTRFS snapshots. My drive setup is more than janky, but it works. Every time something went really wrong I was able to fix it myself.
"Why don't you like our copilot features?" -Microshit-
I've wanted to switch to Linux since Windows 10 and its inescapable trash "features"(looking at you, OneDrive).
I did upgrade to 11 and while I haven't experienced any catastrophic failures with it (yet) it's becoming increasingly aggravating with all the added bullshit they're implementing and the amount of ads they're trying to sneak in.
I've been bugging my husband for months to help me because he is near fluent in Linux and I'm a noob. He's now building me a new PC that will have Linux installed and I can't fucking wait to finally ditch Windows.

Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.

10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don't pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.

I still can't grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that's day one UX shite and I'm quite stupid.
- What's hilarious is that this started with Win10 so its been an issue for over a decade now and two major revisions at least (possibly started on Win8).
I didn't willingly switch to 10, though, that was my only choice
It took me ages today to work out how to map a drive letter because they've changed where the menu button is. You used to be able to do it from the taskbar at the top, but now it's hidden in a right click menu in a different part of the file browser to where it used to be. I don't understand the point of changes like that, by all means add more options but keep the old ones around for consistency.
- Managing printers in 11 is the worst. The sad part is that the old-style devices and printers menu is still in the OS, you just have to dig for it a bit, and it works 1000x better.
- net use still works
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair
Was it? I gave up on 8 because of the UI, downgraded back to 7 and that was my last Windows machine. Was 10 worse?
- 8 was such a disaster that people don't really consider it a real version of windows. 10 was actually better than 8 but that's not saying much
People said they will never upgrade from 7 to 10, and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
- This, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming from 7 to 10, and now looking forward to another 3 years of Win10 security updates, while fervently praying that Adobe and my online games add Linux support during that time >>
- The difference is that Windows 11 is locked behind behind hardware requirements. A lot of people simply can't upgrade.
- and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
  The stats show people are committing this time. English speakers are jumping ship at historically unprecedented rates. Steam stats
I was on Windows 7 until April of 2021, when I was taking a certification exam remotely, and didn't find out that the software they used for it didn't work on 7 until after I had paid the registration fee. Windows 10 was useable enough, but I never thought it was preferable over 7. Anyway, I'm on Bazzite now.

This article is trash, it mentions existing windows 10 features in windows 11 like it's a groundbreaking new technology.

Virtual desktops and clipboard manager? Cmon man we've been having that for years now

having that for years now
since abaout the late 90's to early 00's. KDE 1 released with virtual desktops, and from what I can tell, Klipper either released with it, or a few years later
- fvwm, 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM

Couldn't imagine why lmao

I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.

I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I'll do the SATA drive but I'm lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn't really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn't have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.

I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It's designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It's also more optimized for gaming if that's your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I've never felt the need for top tier performance.

The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do what I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.

My biggest problem took a bit to grok
Now that you're on Linux pop Docker on there and install Ollama/WebUI on there so you can run your own grok at home and not have to support yet another horrible company
- Try again.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok
- Fucking apatheid emerald mine inheritor ruining perfectly good words from the nerd culture...
- You do realize he's using the original definition of grok, right?

I would imagine a big reason being that windows 11 doesnt work on a ton of older systems which meant nobody upgraded to it and instead lived out the life of the hardware until they actually needed to buy something new. The crazy part to me is older systems wasnt even that long ago. I remember when 11 came out and saw a bunch of systems only 2 years old that weren't compatible. I said screw it and just forced it on them and honestly I have had no issues on about 3 different systems so whatever I guess.

That makes sense. Upgrading your PC/laptop when RAM and SSD prices are skyrocketing is ridiculous.
I recently bought a tpm 2.0 chip for a 7th Gen intel and found out that win 11 will install on 7th Gen without any hacks when done fresh from a usb install, and it only checks for tye existence of tpm 2.0. The cpu Gen block is 100% a choice MS made it seems, likely because not all 7th Gen capable motherboards had tpm or expansion slots so they just went "screw them, all 7th Gen and lower is blocked".
- I've used the regkey hack years ago, but recent ones seemed more difficult to bypass. I ended up using a USB stick as well and formatted it with Rufus which has all the options built in to bypass it all. It worked 100% of the time the 3 times I used it. Before doing that 2 systems just wouldnt complete and always ended up giving an error at some point. One of my older systems at work is a Dell Precision which came with a Xeon processor which is normally a server CPU and windows 11 doesnt support server at all so those CPUs aren't compatible. Been running 11 on it 2 years now and is completely stable. The tower is almost 10 years old now, but I dont want to give it up because I know ill never get anything nearly as powerful as a replacement today haha.
- I don't think it actually needs the tpm 2.0 or even 1.1 as it's only used for automatic bitlocker decryption
pretty much how I saw it. 10 was a push towards accepting all hardware configurations. 11 put restrictions in the name of security. so even if a user WANTED to upgrade, there's technically a barrier that Microsoft would block them (albeit that check can be bypassed).

Obviously. There is no particular reason to switch from old 7th or older gen intel CPUs since with 16GB (or even with 8) of RAM one can browse internet and use OFFICE 365 with no issues. And what most of people do with their computers at work?

Unless PC is used to render 3D/Video/DAW Audio/heavy VMs - there is no fucking need to buy new PC just to upgrade to win11. MS shot themselves in a foot with this one.

It's almost like "you have to buy a new laptop to install it and help train our AI on your private documents" is somehow not convincing enough. Maybe if they also removed local accounts and forced you to have an online MS account? Nah scratch that, it would be stupid

It's a mystery

Ooo I love a mystery

Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they're shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.

Yep. I Kept 7 for as long as possible but had to upgrade so 10 was next. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
- . I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
  Which is exactly the reason they're ending support.
  If you don't have a reason to stay, Linux is definitely worth a shot. I moved from 10 to Bazzite in my rig earlier in the year, and it's been pretty solid.
- You probably know this, but for others who might not: MS is now allowing some/many/all (???) people to extend the security updates for Win10 for another year free of charge. You have to go into the Windows update area and click a button to accept. At least in the USA, this seems to be a somewhat newly available option, as it was there the last time someone asked me to look at their laptop to see if I could upgrade it to Win11.

I use windows 10 at home while I use windows 11 at work. The only thing I like about windows 11 is tabs in the file explorer. Besides that I've had to deal with Windows Explorer crashing on a daily basis, task bar freezing completely multiple times a week, certain software straight up not working that I need to get work done, programs crashing that work perfectly fine on 10, internet connectivity issues (usually DNS for some fucking reason), periodically hearing the disconnect sound for a device even when everything is still working, awful drop down menus, needing to change the registry just to get basic features that 10 has, and the list goes on and on. At home everything just works. I've been testing Linux and have been getting better stability than Windows 11 and I feel like every week there's a new problem.

I have to use Windows 11 for work. Maybe this is because of CrowdStrike or something, I don't know, but I often encounter a problem where the main section of explorer, where you can actually click files and stuff, just breaks. That entire region becomes unclickable and unusable, even though the rest of the Explorer window (like the icons on the top part) all still work. So I just have to close the window and then reopen Explorer, re-navigate back to where I was, and proceed from where I left off.
Never, in the decades I've been using computers, have I ever encountered something as stupid as this with this amount of regularity. Windows 11 is a uniquely bad OS compared to every competitor option, including prior versions of Windows.
- I run into that same issue from time to time. Another one I run into is when I click on items on the task bar it doesn't bring it up as the active window even when everything else is working. I have to ALT+tab to bring up any Window or minimize every window just to find the one I want and it is absolutely infuriating.
- For almost 20 years, I've never lost hours of work due to the OS. The Crowdstrike incident was one of three times I was interrupted by the OS in the last 2,3 years. All of the interruptions are from Windows 11, not 10. This week for, for some reason, Windows is slower to respond than usual, when going to different tasks. I'm one formatting away from getting rid of the Windows 11 in my laptop. I was thinking of dual booting Mint there but it's looking more and more I don't need Windows. Bazzite has been fantastic.
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-major-windows-11-core-features-are-broken/
On the positive side though, following all that backlash, Microsoft acknowledged Windows has issues, and as if on cue, the company in a new support article has admitted that there are problems on almost every major Windows 11 core feature. The issues are related to XAML and this impacts all the Shell components like the Start Menu, Taskbar, Explorer, and Windows Settings.
Explorer.exe crash
shelhost.exe crash
StartMenuExperienceHost issues
System Settings silently fails to launch
Application crashes when initializing the XAML views
Explorer running but no taskbar window.
other XAML island views fail to initialize.
ImmersiveShell problems
http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/

Is Linux good? I'm thinking of changing over one of my old alienwear laptops to Linux cause it's just gotten so slow on Windows

Well yes it can be. If you have a Nvidia GPU it wouldn't be the best because they sometimes have driver issues (that's Nvidia with closed shitty drivers for linux). I will probably run fine anyways. I would recommend Bazzite if you don't want to tinker with linux and just use it. CachyOS if you want a snappy experience. Gaming wise they don't have any difference and with Bazzite you can't fuck anything up. Edit: If you have an AMD GPU you should just change to linux no question.
- Thanks for that, yeah unfortunately it is nvidia but i might give those two a run anyway at the end of the day i can always re install windows if need be.

My 78 year old mother bought a new laptop, windows 11.

Immediately I had to remote in because of some S mode BS which just put you in the MS only application environment.

3 months later and somehow she fubarred her login and can't use her new laptop. There's probably an easy fix, but since she hates windows 11 and wants to go back to 10, I suggested Linux.

So it will be a Merry Christmas for my mom when I visit and install IDK? Some version that's super simple. Anything is better than what she currently has

Can't go wrong with good old Linux Mint
Try Zorin OS, its Ubuntu based they have a windows 11 theme.
- Do they still offer a Win10 theme? When I first tried it, they still had a Win7 theme.
I think KDE Neon would be nice for a new user. I like Pop OS and it's really cute and sleek but the shortcuts are needlessly different from windows a bunch of times, if she's somehow used to alt+tab to change windows and not just window groups she's gonna have a hard time learning another way to do it.

At some point, I need to get around to installing Mint on my desktop. Maybe this weekend, but probably not.

It was extremely easy when I did it. Had everything running in 20 min. The real drag was me wanting to use a more efficient file system, so I spent a day converting my drives to ext4.
Do it this weekend.
Zorin and Cachy are great choices too, but Mint is awesome as well. Anything but Windows 11 lol
The main problem for most people when installing Linux is partitioning. Normies usually only use Windows that has been pre-installed, and never install Windows from scratch.
I think you should try Linux on a VM first to get used to it.
- I've got a Windows 11 laptop as well, so it's not a big issue if I brick the machine.
  I'm just gonna jump in head first. When I get around to it.
- The automatic options on Mint (and probably Ubuntu) make everything extremely easy. Do you want to keep Windows, or get rid of it? How much space do you want to give to Mint and Windows? Okay, done.
Hey I just did it! I completed my migration today. The only reason I keep a desktop around at all is for gaming and I've been locked into Windows for years because of it, but no more. Steam is a given, but I'm running games off Epic and Gog through Heroic and standalone games using Lutris (ESO and Elite Dangerous so far). Not a single problem with any of them.
Mint is great, the only complaints I have are minor and I can easily deal with them. Like when you launch things, you don't always get a cursor animation to tell you you successfully set something in motion and you just have to wait for the window to pop up. That kind of thing.
It's pretty straight forward if you don't do anything else, get a fresh new drive just for it. I've been using Mint for a few weeks now and honestly other than some glitch i keep experience here and there(steam store page is noticeably slower and laggier for some reason, and sound glitch that require restart to get rid of) and some initial setup fiddling to suit me, i really doesn't notice any different than what i've been doing in win10.
- turn on hardware acceleration for Steam
Yeah, my pc has been sitting around for over two months. I think I’m gonna go with Cachy on my machine, just need to find some time 😫
- I went with cachy a few weeks ago, and its been great.

"Slower" implies you're projecting the same end results. Do they think the missing numbers are just not using a computer at all? In the digital age? By far your largest numbers of actual Win11 migrators are companies whose tech policy is the CYA "update everything in case we get hacked".

The common folk are not going to buy a new computer just to get a slower Windows installation. The people who migrate from Windows 10/7 holdouts are going to be migrating to Linux.

Literally me biding my time on W10 for Autodesk to pull their head out their ass and make AutoCAD for Linux.
- Honestly, just being less hostile to Linux and not purposefully pushing out updates that break it under wine/proton would be great...
- That would be decades of legacy. I mean, with people paid to survive rewriting that legacy, should happen - if and when Linux is a mainstream platform. EDIT: ... for companies' workstations.

10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.

And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.

Had to "upgrade" my work laptop to 11 for security support. Nothing about it is better. Almost everything is slower, and many common operations take more steps to complete on 11 vs 10.
Absolute fuckin' garbage.
I learned to tolerate 10 for my limited uses. Like you, my Windows PC jumped from 7 to 10. When 11 rolled around, the centered start menu was the first thing I noticed and it was an instant wtf moment.
Microsoft needs to be sued to allow for a Linux desktop Excel. Once that happens they would lose like half their market share to Linux.
- LibreOffice is good. While people don’t like learning new things, I found it does everything I could want.
  I actually switched years ago because I didn’t want to pay for MS Office.

Successfully booted up Linux mint today, stayed on windows for uni (thinking I might need one of those Microsoft apps). Missed Linux and now back :)

I really don't see what more Windows has to offer than Linux other some shitty software that cannot be run on Linux (Looks at newer Office and Adobe). In that case I can just boot up a VM with black-flag Windows Pro on it.

I really don’t see what more Windows has to offer than Linux
Stability, updates management, built-in features (like window tiling), etc.
Source: using Linux exclusively for almost a year now.
- Wait... Either I have bad grammar or you misinterpreted lol. I meant "Linux has more to offer than Windows"
- Stability? Update management? Window tiling? What? Linux does have all of these things. In fact Linux is way more stable than Windows, has better update management. Mind you, it does depend on the distro and the amount of stability you want, but I have been running Debian servers for years and I hardly run into problems.
  The only thing windows offers over Linux is gaming and a better UI. Even both of those are dwindling away. I hate the new windows 11 UI and most games work on Linux unless you require a rootkit for some anti cheat software.

Even slower than Windows 10? That's impressive...

I mean if you tell 50% of your client base they have to buy a new PC...
Especially, in the current economic climate.
- They should make 64 GB RAM a minimum requirement. That alone is 500€ right there.
with all the AI and bloat hogging up your memory im not surprised if its just there to peddle ADVERTISEMENTS 100% OF THE TIME.

Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.

Idk what you mean "no significant features". I definitely needed AI integration in notepad.exe.
- Also I definitely needed a broken start menu that doesn't show any result when doing a search
What do you mean? Now I get the feature of not being to click on the clock on my second monitor to open the calendar! I had been waiting for that feature for ages.
Explorer tabs is a feature. One which should have been an update instead of an “upgrade”. That’s about it though.

I couldn't be happier, ditching Windows for Linux.

The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don't meet Windows 11's system requirements while the others don't need a hardware upgrade to run the OS. Although this would indicate that 500 million PCs would potentially be replaced with newer alternatives capable of running Windows 11 at some point, Clarke hinted at "roughly flat" sales for Dell PCs would moving forward . Clarke didn't explain the reasoning behind this statement , but it could mean that people are just not that interested in upgrading to Windows 11 PCs.

It's a simple reason. Everybody is abandoning dell in droves for lenovo in enterprise environments.

I used to buy dell exclusively for laptops across over a decade at multiple organizations where I determined hardware standards and purchasing. Everyone always wanted a x1 carbon or thinkpad but the prices were too high. This is no longer the case. Now everyone gets a thinkpad or x1 carbon where I work at least, and statistics for market share are heavily on the lenovo side now.

That's how I see it anyway. This has nothing to do with windows 11, it's just another service pack when you're managing everything via GPO/intune/sccm/whatever.

Have you seen any traction with Framework in the corporate space? They are mostly marketed at individuals, but since you specifically mention people wanting higher quality machines, Framework fits the bill.
- Framework Corp is massively frustrating because their secret sauce tech makes absolutely no sense for individuals (seriously, run the actual numbers. It is almost always cheaper to just buy two laptops AND you have less ewaste because there is no box of spare parts) but is PERFECT for enterprise/fleet deployments.
  But Framework Corp has no interest in fulfilling that role. To my knowledge, there are no bulk ordering programs and their software/OEM support is fairly mediocre.
  As far as enterprise laptops go? There is a full industry around macs for obvious reasons. On the PC side? The only vendors I really "trust" are Dell and Lenovo with MAYBE HP if the middleman org is confident. And... I LOVE a Thinkpad for my personal use (the nub is love. the nub is life) but there are very serious supply chain concerns for professional purposes.
  But if Framework could cut the bullshit and either branch out or work with a middleman? Rapid repairs for keyboards and drives as well as tricking people into using USB C dongles would go a long way for many (most?) midsize companies.
- I've never, ever met someone outside of a tech role that even knows they exist.
  If someone isn't happy with a lenovo, it's because they want that coveted apple logo on the lid.
  The primary concerns in the enterprise environment are around standardization. I only want a couple of models to manage per year so that the support guys don't have to worry too much about some willy wonka bullshit that doesn't work because that one system is an oddball. The nice thing too about lenovo (or dell) has traditionally been support services. If you know the words to say you can get them to ship out anything with a tech to replace anything after a single call and not running all the silly diagnostics. I know dell has been on the decline for support services and I honestly don't handle any of the warranty repairs myself, but my impression is that it still works.
for some reason my work is the opposite. they were all lenovo (which were great), but we were forced to switch to shitty dells.
Has Lenovo stepped their game up recently? Work used to be all Lenovo, and a few years back they switched over to Dell because the Lenovos just weren't reliable. Which is a shame because I still think the Lenovos are better designed with better keyboards, screens, port layout, etc. but it's all moot if the thing craps out after a couple of years.
- A LOT of people complained when Thinkpad transferred from IBM to Lenovo. Like almost all things, it was progress conflated with racism.
  The big "meaningful" complaint is that Lenovo used more plastics than aluminum. On the one hand, I get it: my T41 was a god damned beast that felt like it could stop a bullet (an important consideration in the US). It also apparently weighted 2.22 kg and I 100% noticed that on trips and even walking around town/campus.
  And Lenovo bought the brand around the time that a LOT of people were noticing the weight of their laptops and there was a huge push for "ultrabook" form factors and the realization that it makes more sense to protect your device with a sleeve and a padded compartment rather than "military grade" construction. And... Asian factories were (and still are) much more agile and able to pivot. Whereas US factories still tend to take years (or decades...) to catch up to the rest of the world.
  So we got the same xenophobic nonsense we've had in every other industry. These thin and light laptops with plastic shells ARE CHEAP PIECES OF SHIT THAT NOBODY CAN EVER REPAIR AND ARE ALL A SCAM SO BUY AMERICAN!!!! Even though the shell has almost nothing to do with it and those still had screw based constructions. The real problem was the rapid shift towards soldering/gluing hardware in place. Some of that was to support ultrabook designs and some are just pure bullshit to prevent upgrades.
  These days? Aluminum is king again because it "feels premium" but those shells are so ridiculously thin that they are arguably worse than polymer (still feels great though). I blame Apple.
  But build quality wise? Lenovo straight up bought IBM's laptop (and consumer PC?) divisions. It was the exact same factories and designers and capabilities.
  All that said: Lenovo is also a REALLY Chinese company. For a personal device? I have zero qualms and literally bought a new laptop for the first time in like 9 years and it is a Thinkpad. From a professional standpoint? A competent IT department can vet devices. I... think I worked with a competent IT department once in my life. But, more importantly, if we are trying to do business with a government org or a high value company/target? They are fundamentally concerned about Supply Chain Hardening (and for good reason) and that just reeks of "We, personally, don't care about that". Which generally won't outright kill a deal but it does put you on a back footing.

Considering all of the comments saying that a big part of this is people not wanting to buy new computers and choosing linux because it will run on their old machine, I'd like to add insult to injury and say I built a new PC before Oct and windows was never even a consideration.

And despite it being my first Linux install I planned to play games on, everything went smoothly and I'd even say the "setting up the PC to my preference instead of the defaults" step was better because there wasn't a "figure out how to disable the shit ms really wants you to run for them" substep, or a "figure out what new shit ms added that I'll want to disable" discovery mode that, with win 10, lasted most of the time I was using it and included "figure out if a recent update reset settings to annoying defaults".

I bet this is why people are so vocal about switching to linux whenever there's another complaint about ms. It went way better than expected, like I was about to do something that would cause ongoing pain and frustration to get away from something even worse, but there's been nothing at all that has made me miss windows.

Yeah. I built my PC two years back and Linux was the main idea for it. I'd used Linux on and off since 2007, and it's honestly been fine this entire time, with WINE and such only improving over time. I remember how baffled I was back in 2007 when I didn't have to install any drivers myself, everything just worked out of the box, even fucking printers.
This is the time of Windows Vista, where nothing worked.
- Yeah, I've got a logitech mouse but didn't want logitech's software on my machine, so I just used the mouse by plugging it in. Which worked, but I had no way of knowing the battery level until the mouse itself started blinking low power.
  When I installed fedora, I was confused a bit because it had a system tray icon saying the battery was charging. I was thinking it thought it was a laptop until I realize it had just picked up the battery information from my mouse. A feature I had written off under windows just worked without me even considering it or needing to install software that was partly about using my hardware and partially about advertising more ways to get my money.

They keep updating my windows 10 computers at work and the one I have at home. None of my Microsoft apps work, I can't install paint, or photos or the Microsoft store. My personal computer freezes as soon as I open windows explorer. This just started after the last update.

I already have a Linux server downstairs and this week converted me windows 10 pc to endeavor OS. It's lightning fast and easy to use if you already know the problems with Linux.

To be clear, I’m not ‘not adopting’ - I’m actively boycotting that shit. The whole TOM thing was annoying enough, but everything else surrounding it has proven to me that Microsoft cannot be trusted with that level of access to MY hardware.

So yeah, I’m going to put Linux on my PC and ultimately back to Mac full time, I imagine.

I really need to upgrade my setup, but I don't really feel like selling one of my kidneys so I can afford 8 gigabytes of RAM (it's not a good kidney so I'm being realistic).
Anyway my current system has windows 11 on it anyway so I might as well just keep using that but as soon as I have the option to leave I'm going to.
I need to keep windows 11 around for work but as soon as I can build a system that can hold to two whole operating systems at a time I'm going to go over to dual booting. Unless the steam machine turns out to be cheaper than anyone's realistically expecting, in which case I might just go that route. The current RAM prices mean that's probably unlikely.

micro$oft is getting desperate though

https://kotaku.com/windows-11-pro-upgrades-going-for-pocket-change-for-black-friday-2000647371

Is that site just an ads disguised as articles site now? Like it's not just news about the sale, it's actively trying to sell win 11 (and not doing a great job with its list of "I thought it already did that", "underwhelming feature", "no, I still don't fucking want onedrive; I no longer trust you with my own files on my computer, let alone saving everything on yours".)

That is because it is buggy, I use windows 11 both at home and work. It is very unstable compared to Windows 10.

Oh, you think its the bugs that are the main culprit? I have a CoPilot to sell you

Linux for desktop. MacBook Air for my laptop, only because of Microsoft Office. Bought a cheap Office for Mac 2021 licence. Mac is also much better than Windows 11 too: responsive, Fast wake/sleep, no 20 minute reboots with mystery updates, no registry, no Powershell. If you can avoid Office documents and run an AMD GPU, anyone should be golden on Linux. NVidia is fine if you are comfortable with command line. Not really sure what Windows has going for it except inertia, but if your coasting, you are going downhill...

Windows has the enterprise. What Fortune 500 company uses Linux on the desktop?
- It's a burning platform, and the future isn't bright. IT and security would love to get rid of Windows desktops, they are nightmare to manage and secure. Problem is legacy.
  But who still uses native Windows Apps other than Office? Legacy apps are out there, but also being migrated to low code browser apps. Even Office is an web app and Microsoft has been converting their 'native' apps into browser containers. Point is that Almost everything runs on a web browser and that is what kids have been using in schools for nearly 10 years. To date, ChromeOS is widely used in some roles (contact center, some back office). Developers, graphics, video, marketing, executives, along with most sales often use Mac, and nearly every enterprise uses both Android and IPhone /iPad OS.
  .
- Even all the design agencies use Macs, no one in the business world uses Linux. Except for servers obviously.

Besides myself being on Linux, I used to mix Linux and Windows since like 2010 but fully transitioned like 3 years ago, I'm still regularly using a laptop from 2016 as a zoom calls and internet browsing laptop. It gets too hot to have in my lap and the battery lasts like 30 minutes. That's a dual core integrated graphics chip from 2016. Anyone with a discrete graphics card easily has a solid workstation PC. If you're not gaming or your not doing something that really benefits from strong hardware, you're good. No need to upgrade. If you're not playing new AAA games at 4k maxed, you may be good. This is just same news as how people are holding onto their cell phones longer than before

good

ITT: People who don't realize there is a massive amount of software developed for smb and enterprise businesses that only run on Windows which is the primary driver of Windows sales. Quickbooks, various ERP implementations, any kind of legal case management software, Sage, etc

LMAO says the guy typing from a Windows 7 Desktop purchased in 2012. This PC still works amazingly well for a 13 year old Alienware. Anyone who has ever owned one will tell you this a unicorn. I will never click the update icon sitting in the tray for years now. Get fucked. This OS still rocks. If I want to play a current game I open up my laptop and close it when done.

Good.

Maybe it‘s not slower, but smaller? I don‘t use Windows on my computer anymore.

The biggest selling points of Windows these days is familiarity, backwards compatibility, and gaming.

And the only one of those not under active threat by someone is the backwards compatibility. Which means there is an active shelf life on the viability of Windows as a big money maker on the consumer desktop/laptop. And once it starts to falter in that market then the enterprise will start to follow.

Win2k Pro was the last version of Windows that was actually any good!

I thought that thumbnail was sonic the hedgehog

My company is still on windows 10 cause we're broke af. We're so screwed

Switch to Linux Mint, KDE, or Pop OS Cosmic
Then once comfortable get your company to switch to it
- Nah, the transition to Loonix will being up so many issues. Our IT dept is already stretched really thin as it is
- I'm guessing if they're too broke to switch their tech stack to Windows 11, a mostly similar OS to 10, the costs to switch to an entirely new paradigm is completely out of the question.
- The challenge is those 20 years old Windows 3.1 software apps they still use
We've been switching over to Windows 11 and it's broken so many of our old applications.
We have stuff that's like 40 years old and it just won't tolerate Windows 11 so all those programs have to be run in a virtual environment. They were fine with Windows 10 so I've no idea what about Windows 11 they don't like. I wouldn't mind so much if there was an obvious advantage to Windows 11 but therr literally isn't, there's not a single feature in Windows 11 that would help us do business better.
But I think Windows 11 is on track to be the crap version, so Windows 12 will hopefully be better although given the current direction Microsoft moving that might not be the case, and they may have finally broken the crap then good cycle.
- Windows 12 will be a realtime AI fever dream, generated as the user uses it.
- Remember when Microsoft said windows 10 was going to be the last major windows version and they were just going to support it forever with rolling updates, and then later said they never said that.
  Pepperidge farm remembers.
- Windows 12? 🤣

I wonder if a lot of it is because Microsoft will say your computer isn't compatible to upgrade but meanwhile it actually CAN be upgraded and users are just taking what Microsoft tells them as truth and not investigating further.

I myself have upgraded a couple of family members machines to Win 11 even though "technically" Microsoft claims they can't be. just went ahead with it anyways. I could have just thrown Linux on them like Mint or something but some people are just comfortable within windows.

"Used to" maybe, but "comfortable" is a stretch

Is it even being "adopted"?