I'm new and missed the lore
I'm new and missed the lore
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lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or "great leaders and allies to the cause", most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.
They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.
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More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.
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Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.
I have seen evidence to the contrary.
Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
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The bad part is that they support him, whether or not they consider him a real leftist is less important
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Damn it all. They didn't disclose how I was supposed to behave during the sign up process.
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The downside of anything decentralized is that only community pressure reduces scams.
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hey look a post from a lib that's so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can't contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷
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I'm gonna show your comment to my wife, and one of my best friends, at whose gay wedding, I will be speaking. Congrats! You're in the speech! Let's face it, we all need to laugh more in life, and judging by your reaction, I prefer to do it at your expense.
So please, cry harder, because I need more material!
🫶🏽🥂
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JFC son this is not a roast this is a fucking napalm strike, god damn.
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So I'm 100% on board with most of what you said but... What on earth does 'bitch-made' mean? It's setting off my women-hating red flags.
I googled it and scrolled down and got some garbage about a man raised by women, so I have concerns.
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I agree, I don't particularly care about shitting on Putin or any other world leader, it's the thinly veiled misogyny/whatever at 'enemies' broadly with people gleefully encouraging it which makes me respond negatively
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Bitch-made, in the literal sense, as in "of ill birth from a mangy female dog".
I have heard it used in common street language where I'm from from both men and women, gay and straight.
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Okay, so for some context .ml is run by the Lemmy devs and the devs are openly tankies (authoritarian communists). .ml, along with Lemmygrad (also run by the devs) and Hexbear are known as the Tankie Triad. While not as bad as the other two, .ml still has a lot of tankies compared to instances that aren't part of the triad. Additionally, .ml used to be the recommended instance (until .world came along), making it one of the more populated instances. Most other instances defederate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear, but not necessarily .ml.
Basically, there's a lot of extremely opinionated and often combative people there and provoking them (intentionally or not) is very easy.
That's my understanding of the situation anyway.
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I don't know what I expected but it wasn't this. I had no idea.
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!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works might be helpful to better understand the situation
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As someone brand new to Lemmy I'm now learning a lot of horrible new info on myself based on arbitrarily signing up for a random instance.
I didn't realize I was supposed to psychically know about lemmy lore before ever using it.
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Please understand that plenty of us do not judge people based on instance at all. I genuinely don't care.
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didn't you know that signing up for an instance is actually evidence of thoughtcrime?
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Every person who signed up for my favorite instance is gold, everyone who signed up for the one I dislike is actually a troll and must be de federated.
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FWIW, I left .ml after about a year (and around a month ago) because there were just enough threads shit flinging and just enough posts like below, and just enough people who would dismiss any argument based on seeing .ml that it annoyed the shit out of me.
Not for how anyone at .ml ever treated me. (And FTR I'm not a communist)
So I'd say how much you worry about it is up to you, but switching instances is also pretty easy.
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so you admit you're a tankie alt? Good job, see you on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works lol
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there's always going to be this stigma against .ml users due to how the .ml instance was formed and how the general userbase behaves.
the good news is that you are always free to switch instances if you find out that you dislike the instance you are currently on. while your posts, comments, and "karma" won't transfer, you can transfer everything else such as the communities you follow, your settings, and your blocklist.
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Don't worry much about your instance. .ml is fine, but Lemmygrad.ml in particular is a very strange place. Have a look if you want to read what non-religious people hostile to the United States/West think. Sometimes they make good points but they're such fundamentalist assholes about everything.
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tbf, if you're not hostile to the US at this point, I'd seriously question your sanity. You don't need to be a tankie for that.
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Most of us don’t judge users but we are internally vocal about our own social challenges.
.ml is a big instances and people coming from the old web find such attractive, it feels like “the official one” we are well aware.
The have been attempts to advertise avoiding those but were not exactly a well coordinated organization.
Regardless the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power. Lemmy works best as many tiny servers organically building a network of content and ideas.
All of Lemmy is accessible as long as your instance is federated (almost all) however some may defederate from those problematic big ones, limiting the posts you can see.
You wont lose much by changing instance right now. There is no karma or rewards associated with your account. You can also make multiple on different instances with the same user name so you have a backup if your main instance goes down.
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the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power.
it's not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard
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Why/how are big instances a problem though?
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The core community is mainly holier-than-thou FOSS types, and you're surprised that it's insular?
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You can always move to another instance. The instance I joined first is very lovely but they're a bit heavy on defederation, so half of the comments are unavailable. It's actually very nice, but fomo is too strong with me. When I feel depressed by humanity, I switch back to that one again and feel better, not seeing all the bullshit.
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Same
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Basically, .ml Tankies (I don't consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they're a .ml users) are authoritarian
bootlickers“communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester
You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I've linked here is but a mere sampling of what's been collected there
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There are fully factual bases for denying nearly every western smear. That people are invested in hatred formed by US/western propaganda, means all facts and reality are "tankie propaganda".
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More completely made up anti-commie shit. It is not popular in any of those instances to think that Russia isn't a fascist fuckup of a government.
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LMAO tons of my official evidence posts link back to, not only the relevant thread, but to the modlog as well in addition to literal screenshots
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New users, I recommend blocking this account in particular. This person is completely off the rails, and spends their time on Lemmy pushing debunked western propaganda.
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Yea, Western propaganda, like how Russia is just actually the good guys and was totally justified in invading Ukraine to stop the Nazis! Or maybe the "Banderists" or was it actually just a diplomatic maneuver?
I have lots of documented evidence on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works to support my stance on lemmy.ml, Tankies and the Tankie Triad, where's yours? Because the last time I replied to you with all my evidence you checked out and never replied
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Because even as the Earth burns and the Fascists march directly due to the capitalist's class conquest, domination, and occupation, even many Americans who believe themselves to be politically leftwing think they can dunk on socialists and communists for their "silly" ideologies based in social cooperation and mutual social benefit where... Gasp... You can't grind yourself to death under the toxic aspiration of attaining immoral levels of wealth to live larger than is reasonable within the finite shared habitat known as Earth.
They of course conveniently forget all the military actions the US has taken over the last century to destabilize nations that wanted to become such societies in order to keep their resource markets open to our capitalist's exploitation.
Oh, and get ready for the hottest summer of your life... So far! 🔥🌎🔥
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Anyone who praises Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and
<insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>as hard as I routinely see on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad is an awful person and deserves derision, contempt, and distrust. They can call themselves a "leftist", "socialist", "communist", or a whatever-ist. Fundamentally, they're edgelord bootlickers and temporarily inconvenienced dictators-in-waiting."wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?"
You can hate "The West", their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.
Doesn't mean you should suck dictators' dicks because they're "not The West".
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(Takes a deep breath, clears mind, gets into character)
This meme format is a product of capitalism, posted to a capitalist instance, and you should be ashamed. Instead of posting an image of a capitalist pig, why aren't you out in the streets burning shit down??/? There's no good capitalist. If you're not out in the streets overthrowing capitalism and burning everything down, RIGHT NOW, you're part of the problem! Rabble Rabble Rabble, guillotines, violence violence violence.
In a nutshell, anyway. Or at least that's how it was from users there on every 3rd post/comment before my instance finally defederated.
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The main problem is that any criticism of China is met with an instant ban, as per "Rule 1, 2".
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Well, I was banned from ml because of a conversation on another instance. It was something about reporting all ml posts as a rule 1 violation... I guess that could be considered inciting unrest against the CCP and Mother Russia.
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Oof. That is a lot to take in. Thank you for this; it all makes sense now.
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I mean, my example is over-simplified and slightly exaggerated (though not by much), and it just got old FAST. No idea if it's still like that or if they've toned down as an instance, but I've been happy without them, so not gonna rock that particular boat.
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Here’s a sub that has fun watching the Tankie Triad.
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Many (not all) ml users are fairly rabid when it comes to their own flavor of propaganda. If you ever casually chat with them on Lemmy, just understand that they have a completely different world view so don't mention things related to politics, country borders, history, government structure, major battles during WW2, sparrow populations or what color the sky is and you should be fine.
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What do you mean? The sky is obviously red and yellow.
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'Madame, if that's the way you see it, so be it. ' - M.C. Escher
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Red and gold! Not yellow, gold! See what you started?
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Because there's not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.
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It's not exclusive to ML though.
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Wow that's super interesting. I just signed up for Lemmy last month and I just googled what to sign up for and .Ml was the first one that came up. Fuck tankies and fuck commies so I guess I'm definitely going to get lumped into them for now. Oh well
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Oh wow, I guess I'm on the same boat then. Signed up on the first instance I found back when reddit announced the API changes and did not realize.
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See my stupid username? I signed up to 3 instances one of them the insufferable tankie hellhole called ML
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Hide? Honestly I have no idea.
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The problem is .ml’s rules are inconsistent. Criticism against China is put under the rule “be respectful”, but you can criticise any other nation or group, except for maybe Hezbollah.
If they would just write it in the rules, like they did on their old PeerTube instance PeerTube.social, I wouldn’t mind.
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To be fair I've seen the exact same treatment in mods and admins from other places. Just changing the subjects.
Just recently in a community I would not mention a mod started to straight up insulting me while pointing out how I was breaking the rules by not providing source for every word I wrote and the rules said that I must source my arguments. (Spoilers they didn't back up their claims either, and went into a breakruling name-calling streak just to top it). And it was not on .ml or anything related.
Power tripping mods be power tripping mods.
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Yea, on .ml as long as you're in the in crowd you can say all pejoratives you want like "shitlib" and the most you'll (maybe) get is a 24 hour ban, but if you say tankie you'll get slapped with at least a 14 day ban
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Documented evidence on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Or here for a sampling:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their "in crowd":
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
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And .ml is absolutely unbiased and doesnt censor!
Oh wait, they are and do:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
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You can see it for yourself.
Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.
For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.
See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of "no xenophobia".
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Went there first since I consider myself a leftist. Seen multiple thirstposts for Stalin and the likes: pretty picture with a popular quote. Comments all in the realm of "yes daddy".
I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, just don't see a point of swapping it for an equally bad form of repression.
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It's a psyop to keep the left divided. And all the "smart" people of Lemmy have fallen hook, line and sinker.
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lol
Yeah, we definitely pick on them as part of a Soros-backed psyop and not because they have some amazingly garbage takes.
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I spend my Soros cheques on board games
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I thought they meant the opposite - that the psyop is presenting "the state will totally wither this time bro" as leftist.
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A few select .world users make a big fuss out of nothing in order to keep people signing up to their centralized instance.
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A "big fuss" with a whole lot of documentation:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their "in crowd":
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
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They are part of the Fediverse Tankie Triad and therefor a bunch of insufferable gobshites. For more context, enjoy what the other people in this thread will tell you. I blocked lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net.
It's a peaceful life. :)
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I don't know. I'm on ml. Something about 'tankies'? I dont bother thinking about those cliques and ppl being so clique-y, and nor should anyone else. immature behaviour tbh, but I haven't received any teasing for being on ml so I think it's a minority of people who really dislike lefties maybe?
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Its not about all users on ml, but about the quite big (or very loud) group of ml users being tankies. This phenomenon is so wide spread, that in most cases when you see a tankie somewhere they are usually coming from ml.
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Ahh shit. I chose this when Lemmy was young.
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Account hopping costs nothing (it's not like Lemmy has "karma")
I made my first account on dotworld, but then dotworld started doing defederations I didn't like. Now I'm in a furry-centric instance. :P
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It’s capitalist and pro-war propaganda.
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.world got big mad that .ml users pointed out the genocide was a genocide and America was helping it
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And I've got .ml continuing to spread bLuEmAGa crap and openly praising Trump because he's doing what they want, screwing over a whole ton of people in the process including the LGBTQ+ community which is hilarious considering they position themselves as the LGBTQ+ instance The ends justify the means amiright?
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ML stands for Marxist Leninism, so that’s a clue
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Lol no, Tankie are authoritarians who've latched onto regimes who merely claim to be communistic/socialist i.e. China and Russia. That's the part people hate, not communism/socialism in general
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I didn't knew about this, thanks
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Because it's not cool to be Malian /s
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I've only blocked a few ml users but I made sure to block that instance.
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The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
I'm not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don't like that.
However, some of you whipper snappers don't know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.
Edit: added "allegedly"
I'm on ML because it is the dev's instance, that's it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.
.ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don't mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO
Yeah, it's a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world
Just don't post anything anti China or Russia and you'll be fine.
I left .world for sh.itjust.works....eyeing db0 tho
Lemm.ee we tell you about my instance then... :)
Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).
They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and "just ask questions", like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such 'questions', even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.
Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don't concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
But well, I also don't concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don't have to agree with everything they think, just because I'm on their instance, so I don't care nearly as much as some other folks here.
That doesn’t follow. Truth Social exists, is full of fascists, and is way bigger than Lemmy.
If it weren’t for Reddit deciding to turn against their users in a very dramatic way, Lemmy would still just be a tiny leftist community rather than what it is now: a larger, but still small, mostly leftist, but slightly more centrist, mix of communities that fight all the time.
I came over with the initial wave of Reddit refugees. Lemmy was quite bad back then, with a lot of crap I had to block. It’s better today but it still has a very long way to go.
At this point I'm not sure if they are tankies, or whether they've just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.
Anyone who calls out western evil and lies is a tankie.
https://lemmy.world/post/27513594
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
I dont think they are tankies. I am an anarchist and I believe communism is as evil as capitalism. I am lemmy.ml so I dont think they are tankies.
I'm an anarchist, these people are the kind of genocide appreciators who call all dissenting leftists tankies
I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.
Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an "old account". All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.
Yeah I made this account with my reddit username. Made another account that I'm building up with a dif username to be more anon and less attachment so more easily abandon able
Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.
Why is your username red? What sorcery is this?
Tankies aren't real leftists. They're morons who honor authority over freedom to the point they'll suck off authoritarians from history. Basically (very, very basically), they're the authoritarian "left"... as much as anyone who is rightly left honors undue authority...
The problem is that y’all believe, that acknowledging many of the claims about those countries to be CIA hoaxes, is also somehow a declaration of approval of those countries policies.
You may not like those countries, but you’re taking that to mean you have to personally adopt the position of defending the bullshit lies you’ve been told about them.
My words. We arent done justice
I am confused now. I was just called a "leftist Nazi" and "liberal right wing nazi". Lulz.
My point is that I think the terms "leftist" and "liberal" have been redefined again, just as a heads up.
Those terms don't have definitions. People use them twice on the same phrase where each occurrence has a different meaning.
Do you have the developers actually claiming this, or only second hand information? I was under the impression that they chose .ml because they were handing those domains out for free.
I have not verified the validity of those claims. I'll edit the post to reflect that.