What kinds of things from reddit would you like to see Lemmy avoid as the user base grows?
Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.
Nazis.
Yeah, fuck Nazis!
No, that's how they reproduce! Isolate them! Or at least use a condom.
Hah. It's probably gonna be worse here.
They main instances have taken strong stances against nazi shit. The Lemmy developers are leftwing communists even, and they run lemmy.ml, so I don't think defederating from servers who'll platform nazis is unlikely.
I doubt that any instance I'd be interested in being a part of would federate with nazi communities. They'd end up more isolated than on Reddit.
Nah, they are going to their own rathole.
This is the big one
My thought as well.
Yeah, but actual Nazis. Not "you disagreed with me or voted for someone I don't like so I'm going to call you a Nazi."
This user doth protest too much, methinks
Reddit has a longstanding reputation for being a hive of scum and villainy (like hosting the_donald for years, or kotakuinaction, etc). I really hope that Lemmy keeps with the general left-leaning vibes of the fediverse overall, hopefully being a good space for queer people, women, people of colour, etc.
I think you do have to be careful here though. If you're too permissive you allow bigotry, but if you're too restrictive you cut off honest, good faith debate and create echo chamber silos where beliefs are never challenged.
Bigotry should never be accepted but that means non-discriminatory opinions, especially ones you disagree with, should be allowed.
Good faith is the key here. I'm all for disagreements leading to lengthy discussions and even some controversy as long as everyone is arguing in good faith.
I can't stand trolling, outright bigotry, and the normalization of literal fascist opinions as a mere "disagreement". If a "disagreement" (you know which ones I mean) will lead to people dying if enabled, I'm pretty happy keeping those ideas out.
Who decides whats non-discriminatory.
/r/jailbait needed a spotlight in the national news from Anderson Cooper to get dealt with.
But (allowing for the fact that I'm still learning) by its nature I'm not sure the fediverse can stop these things in total, but the particular instances you subscribe to can. I'm unclear if INDIVIDUALS can ban instances (as far as I can tell they cannot) which I think might be a good addition. But instances can ban other instances, and eventually the fediverse will figure out which instances to put in the time-out corner for the rest of us, I think. But it will take time and might be a bit of wack-a-mole.
So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with? Sounds pretty fascist tbh.
Consider opening up a window and letting CO2 out
So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with?
Yes.
So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with?
Yes.
That would be nice but these platforms with "instances" look like it's a Reddit on steroids. I don't see how a community could be shut down with the way it's setup currently. I'm a complete newbie though so don't rely on my unprofessional observations.
Your instance can ban the offending instances, so they won't show up for you or your fellow users, and vice versa. It provides a good way to exile the offending community.
Communities can't be shut down, but they can be shut out. This is also just true in life in general.
If TheDonald were to set up shop on Lemmy.ml, they could ban the instance and the members, but they could just turn around and join another instance.
So, what do you do then? Site admins can ban the remote instance, and they can put pressure on the hosting site admins by threatening to defederate.
Let's say the new hosting site's admin gives into defederation pressure and also bans the instance and its members. We'll, then those people can set up their own server. Now, the admin won ban them.
But none of the major servers will federated with them. They'll be alone on their low population fashy instance (or not so low population - Truth Social is suppsoey the biggest Mastodon instance), effectively quarantined.
That's the best anyone can do. That's true with or without Lemmy.
@koncertejo @gronapa Welcome to Fediverse, faggots! This is a place for racist K-On! fans and racist K-On! fans only. Queers, women, and people of color are not allowed here.
@koncertejo @gronapa Left-leaning
Not here communist faggot.
Posting pictures too much, including pictures of tweets or pictures of news headlines.
Please link to the fucking article.
Yes! Many sumbreddits that actually had a point and were dare-I-say educational quickly became just twitter sceencap platitudes, on repeat.
I get it, easy to read and agree with and upboat, but ultimately just dumbing the place down to the lowest common denominator and burying anything with effort or insight.
Mods who are running 10 major subreddits. It gives them too much power to steer opinions.
The shadow cabal that ran Reddit
It's honestly crazy that these random ass mods had the power to actually influence the views of millions
Lol as Reddit management will soon find out (we hope)
The awkward turtle...
As far as I can see, the real number is already on top of the post. And then you have the split of up/downvotes near the arrows. So the "algorithm" is just basic addidion and subtraction. Someone correct me if I saw something wrong...
I think they're referring to what Reddit did with not showing them separately
Can't wait for the screenshot of a Reddit post of a Lemmy post of an Instagram post about Elon tweeting some shit.
Oh God please
Mod culture is always odd to me. I kind of wish there was more community modderation, and less dictators for life running things.
Definitely a problem that comes with reddit and the unique subreddit names I'd say. I feel like that may not be avoided here since moving many subscribers from a large->small community is so difficult. Maybe the federation style will be successful though, I can't say I have enough experience to predict that well.
Getting banned in one subreddit you never participated in for daring to have a comment (regardless of the content of that comment) in another subreddit.
I see the same shit in the Fediverse though. Mastodon admins blocking a server just because they refused to participate in a shared block list.
Someoneโs going to make a script to ban a non-local user based on your remote posts, I guarantee it.
gatekeeping, censorship, shadowbans from commenting in a different community, echo chambers.
Shadowbans especially. Either ban a post or not, but don't make the poster think everyone can still see it without explanation.
The Fediverse already has these, there are lots of echo chamber instances that automatically block other instances for simply federating with the "wrong" instance (equivalent to those AutoMod bans on Reddit for posting in a certain subreddit). Since instance admins pay for their instances out of pocket, they are more restrictive with their instance's allowed content than social media websites that want to cast the widest net. Eventually, there will be a massive split between communities, like how conservative and progressive Mastodon instances all block each other. Centrists can just have an account on each side of the wall.
As a new community we need to identify and stamp out bad actors immediately and thoroughly (spammers, selfservers, ads disguised as posts, brigading, illegal content, racism, you get the idea).
We can't control if they create their own instances, but we can isolate them.
If Lemmy truly catches on we probably can't totally prevent an Eternal September, but I do hope we go a long way to staving it off.
this seems to be a good place to mention avoiding groupthink and trendy opinions. more fresh diverisity and bold independent thinkers.
a flood of general americans would be worse than cultivating a niche counterculture initial userbase.
Bullshit moderation.
Reddit was so full of hateful shit. Reddit's AEO (Anti Evil Operations, basically the admins personal "mod team", probably outsourced to some country with lacking English skills) would continue to tell me that the most blatant hateful comments do not violate Reddit's ToS. Meanwhile, you get (perma) banned for the most ridiculous & mundane things at times, like saying that a fascist Italy should get kicked out of the EU & NATO. Apparently this is considered "spreading hate" and they even denied my appeal, explaining that both institutions require the members to be democratic. Meanwhile all the racism on subs like /r/europe would go unpunished. I also tried to report similar comments to mine as hate, but containing less popular countries like Turkey, and unsurprisingly they also didn't see it as hate.
Getting harassed by other users that reply on all your comments & follow you around? Nope, no violation.
Questioning the title & picture relation of a governmental account? Apparently harassment / bullying worth a 7 day ban.
Calling out dehumanization? Perma ban in a sub.
Perma ban in a sub? Perma ban in another sub for complaining about it, for "ban evasion".
Speaking out against predatory monetization methods & FOMO tactics in modern video games? Getting attacked & insulted by users and consequently perma banned for being "an asshole troll" - none of the attacks & insults were removed, let alone punished.
What isn't a violation? Racism, transphobia, homophobia, calls for violence, etc.
In regards to big hate subs it is also mostly the case that Reddit only goes and does something against them when there's some sort of media attention around it. When it directly affects their potential income. Maybe if advertisers start to complain about it.
The enforcement of the rules is so random at this point that I don't even know what one is allowed to say, or why I even should care about accounts and the platform as a whole. I understand that moderation of big platforms is not an easy task, but one surely can do better than whatever the hell Reddit is doing nowadays.
In regards to specifically Lemmy I would say they aren't up to a good start with the controversial admin team and their extremist views.
The nice thing about federation is that you can always go somewhere else if you disagree with a particular instance.
Lemmy's devs have questionable politics at best. IMO, I don't care as long as it doesn't impact how they run the site - people have a right to their own opinions, as long as those opinions don't harass or hurt others directly.
But let's say they changed one day. Maybe one day they added something to the code forcing everyone to praise the CCP or else.
Because the software is open-source - people could fork it before the change. It's out there already. People can totally make their own little variants of Lemmy with added features, if that's something they wanted to do. You can modify the code yourself and then self-host the modified version. No matter what Lemmy's devs do... they have no power on your instance. A fork means you own the code.
I've seen the sentiment tossed around that it's unethical to use Lemmy because if you donate to the project (or contribute to donations towards the project) you are financing people who have bad politics. That's your prerogative. I personally disagree - again, as long as your politics aren't actively contributing to harassment/harm you shouldn't be punished for them - but I understand the sentiment.
To that, I say - well, there's other options. That's the beauty of the Fediverse - you don't have any Musk or Spez that comes along to ruin everything. I'm on Kbin, which I like a lot. The dev is a great guy, and I really like how it combines the best of Lemmy and Mastodon.
Even if you want to stay on Lemmy, there are wonderful communities on Lemmy that disagree with the direction of the devs. Beehaw is a great place with a fantastic mod team, for example. You can donate to Beehaw's devs and know it's going to keep Beehaw running, and it's not the same as supporting Lemmy directly.
Because the software is open-source - people could fork it before the change. Itโs out there already. People can totally make their own little variants of Lemmy with added features, if thatโs something they wanted to do. You can modify the code yourself and then self-host the modified version. No matter what Lemmyโs devs doโฆ they have no power on your instance. A fork means you own the code.
People are already doing so, right now. AFAIK Lemmy by default doesn't have the ability to disable downvoting, yet Beehaw and the instance I'm on (among others, probably) do have downvoting disabled.
Wow, thank you for this post. Doing some reading on Lemmy's devs' attitude toward human rights, and... I think I'll check out Kbin. Thanks again, I had no idea!
What's the story about the Lemmy admins? Hadn't heard anything about that.
I've been on lemmy for about three years and the admins have been phenomenal. The interactions I've had and seen with them have been well-reasoned and positive.
I can't speak for whether it's true or not, but the answer I've seen is that they're tankies, or associated with that crowd in some way.
I got a warning for saying the words "kill yourself" in the context of a video game discussion where someone killed their own character to kill a streamer's character in the perma death mode. The method used was an ability that links 2 characters together and if one of them dies, they both die. There was some change made to prevent this in the future so i said something along the lines of "you could still kill yourself trough other means, i don't see how this solves the issue" and got a site wide warning with no way to appeal
By that metric, everyone that used LowTierGod meme should have been banned, which is half of reddit at this point.
Oh you were on a roll with this one but crashed right into a corner at the end there, lol.
Realized another - the awards that reddit created were out of control. I didn't mind avatars too much since customization can be fun and it was optional, but the awards are spammed and shown on most reddit clients.
I actually support awards here with the option of hiding them, i think it'd be a good, relatively ethical way to monetize lemmy.
funding is better than monetizing a platform
It could be in cool (in the future) to have a donate button instead, so to support users who are posting great content
On the other hand, donating to lemmy should be separate (the way it is now) and not a cut of those donations to users
I felt the move of making reddit silver a real award was a big shift. Newer users don't even get why reddit silver was a thing.
I do like the idea of optional visibility - awards certain;y don't have to be bloat/bad.
Yeah thatโs a really good point. Maybe a portion of the award funds for a given post could go to that postโs creatorโs server and a portion to a pooled fund for all servers/servers reaching capacity?
Of course this and any other ideas re monitising should be carefully thought out re perverse incentives ๐ฌ
Awards were fine when there was only three of them: gold, silver, platinum. Once they added twenty billion, all meaning the awards once had were lost, especially since many of them were given to users for free when they were once paid only.
Mods locking threads because โy'all canโt behaveโ jfc just ban accounts breaking the rules and let the rest discuss
The reason they do this is so they don't have to spend their entire life moderating a single thread.
r/AmItheAsshole is guilty of this.
For real. I'm so sick of mod drama. 99% of the time, any sub drama boiled down to a mod freaking out over X
People taking the voting system so seriously. On Reddit people got offended by being downvoted. Sometimes people downvote just because itโs sitting at a low number.
The karma system on Reddit is tied to a lot of things so it's understandable for them to care about it. If an account has low karma, they're more likely to be shadowbanned or suspended. Even when not shadowbanned, their posts and comments will need manual mod approval to be shown to other users.
I also hated the "disagree = down vote" mentality. Don't like what the other person is saying? Take 'em down.
That's the reason I signed up for Beehaw, because they removed the down vote ability. I think it makes for a more positive mindset
The forced 'inside jokes' that filled so many threads, so many times you would see a post and be able to predict the top comment and its replies. Hoping that the lack of account karma helps with that.
Ah, the ole Lemmy switcheroo.
Thanks for the gold, kind stranger.
Don't forget to edit your comment to say thanks when it goes over a thousand upvotes.
I threw up in my mouth... like a lot
You mean you don't like reading the same witty one-liners on every third post? I'm looking forward to actual discussion with less farming for fake internet points.
Censorship. All the major subreddits became political echo-chambers. Reddit was founded on free speech and open discourse, especially when it was really uncomfortable. I'd love to see the same for Lemmy. Over the years I've seen authoritarianism creep into the moderation policies of most major subreddits. Today, even posting on the wrong subreddit is grounds for being banned from dozens of major subreddits. Even having a polite disagreement about, for example, anything to do with "trans," is grounds for being banned.
That's the same here unfortunately.
It also sucks when you're not American, like Reddit auto-banned a load of Irish and Brits discussing stopping smoking due to the colloquial term there.
Unfortunately all these American-based websites really force the American views and positions on everyone.
Go back to reddit
Even having a polite disagreement about, for example, anything to do with โtrans,โ is grounds for being banned.
A subreddit I moderate, /r/moderatepolitics, has had to do a delicate balancing act around this. There are site-wide rules banning many statements around trans people, and the red lines are not well defined. Reddit's "Anti-Evil Operations" (site-wide moderation team) frequently swoops in and deletes comments that are offensive to trans people, but well within current political discourse in the US. That has undermined our mission of being a forum for diverse voices to hold productive but difficult discussions. At a certain point, we entirely banned the discussion of trans issues because one side was able to speak freely and the other side was walking on egg shells. I'm solidly pro-trans, but that's no way to have a conversation.
This likely was done to try to keep Reddit from becoming a cesspool like the "free speech" sites like Gab, but it has turned out to be a lazy way that short circuits necessary conversations.
You were banned for transphobia but were jUsT AsKiNg qUestIons, amiright?
Turns out when people complain about being censored and "free speech" it's because they got in trouble for not being able to call people the N word or becasue they want to "politely discuss" why certain people shouldn't be allowed to exist.
We should never tolerate the intolerant.
The power that the admins have. While most subreddit bans were justified, in my opinion, it just felt really off for them to have so much power.
Here admin has even more power, except it is limited to their own instance. So it is more on the user to be prepared. You don't want to be too attached to your data on a single instance. The instance might be abandoned, down, gone; the admin might go crazy. And the solution isn't to have the admin be more reasonable. The solution is to hedge your bets on multiple instances and multiple communities.
Shadow banning.. one of the most Orwellian moderation tools ever.
I never understood shadow banning. Just IP ban if you really don't want that user coming back
It's not about making the user leave, because of they know they are banned they'll try to evade. Shadow banning gives the desired effect while not tipping off the user. So they post away, to nobody.
The original use case for Shadow banning was bots I think. To them it looks like they're comments are still being posted, but everyone else it's invisible.
IP banning is such an annoyance if you are unlucky enough to only be able to deal with ISPs that do not use fixed IP addresses.
"Can't post today, because another random person got my IP 'du jour' banned in the past" is a pretty terrible user experience.
And the pro troll uses Tor or a VPN and only needs to reconnect his client to receive a fresh IP address. I consider IP banning to be a very mediocre tool at best.
Lol I think over my 11 years on reddit I only had 1.6k karma.. And while I love internet points as much as the next guy it's much healthier not to even see an overall count on here. Makes me hope that they don't add it so I don't have to be constantly worrying about what my overall score is.
TBH karma + post/comment history is helpful is picking out trolls though. For me itโs a way of finding out if the person is an argumentative twat or just someone whoโs views are different to my own.
Completely agree. I think itโll be very important from the perspective of identifying truly bad actors and defederating from some servers (as a last resort). Perhaps a compromise would be it being visible only over a certain threshold? Not sure.
Exactly. I say this as someone who had nearly a million accumulated on the other site: karma points should only exist in the context of the current discussion, not as an overall tally for the user. Sure, it helps people quickly spot obvious trolls, but the downside is you end up with power-users (Gallowboob anyone?) who only repost content to watch the funny number go up. None of that here, for the love of god.
Total user karma is useless to gauge the quality of the poster.
Upvotes and downvotes are good in the moment, in the thread, for the community to promote good posts and bury bad ones.
Good point, did not notice that I can't see a tally for myself. I never got any much karma built up since I didn't post or engage.
I actually used uBlock Origin to hide my karma in the top right corner from myself when it was shown by default. I found commenting less stressful that way.
Reposts! The same 20 jokes being reposted on r/funny to the point that they're no longer funny.
You don't want reposts? How about 15 different c/funny communities across 15 different instances each with the exact same reposts.
Thirsty comments. Puns. Meta humor. Dog language like โfren.โ People who use the word โstonk.โ
These days on Reddit no one will read the linked posts and the comments are very circlejerky and lower quality. On the other hand Hacker News has mods (mostly just dang lol) vigilantly enforcing their guidelines to maintain somewhat quality discussions.
Another thing is a lot of reposting, bots, and excessive cross posting resulting in a lot of recycled garbage throughout. I miss the days where social media sites ripped off Reddit content, not the other way around.
People not reading the post was a meme even back in Slashdot days before Reddit or Digg were invented.
It's true, though. I am very guilty of it. I have gotten better at it but 100% of the time I'd click the comments first no matter what. If it seemed worthy of my attention I'd click the link. If it seemed too far-fetched I'd click the link.
I'm realizing now that it's mostly because I don't want to wait the 0.5 seconds for another page to load (ridiculous on my part) and possibly deal with paywalls.
A relatively small thing: the 500-comment viewing limit for normal accounts. So many times on Reddit I've been put off engaging with posts with 500+ comments knowing that nobody would see it. It's stupid because comments are just text and unless the software design is absolutely terrible then simple text comments shouldn't take up bandwidth at all.
Funny that Reddit pretends to be saving you bandwidth by not loading comments, but has no problem loading 100MB of javascript bloat.
the 500 comment limit made the concept of daily threads replacing common questions a killer on subs like r/fitness. "Has this question been asked before? Well, instead of being able to pull up several threads about this topic, I have to go through the daily threads of hundreds of days and search the comments for keywords - after increasing the number of comments visible from 200 to 500, and then still not being able to search all the comments on the 1000+ comment threads." Just genuinely became unusable.
Flair would be nice, but I think Lemmy should do it its own way with hashtags. It would be cool to search for hashtags within specific communities, subscribed communities, entire instances, and all instances.
Spez's involvement in anything anywhere. Seems to turn everything he touches into a pile of turds.
making brigading more unacceptable here than it seems to be on reddit would be nice
That's already built-in by being able to block instances. For example, you can't see my comment right now because your instance blocked mine, presumably because you didn't want to be brigaded by communists!
Did beehaw block lemmygrad?
As a reddit convert who just started on kbin, where can I read a bit about all this communists thing? I'm left leaning enough to call myself communist between friends and family so I'd like to observe where the political tendencies of these various instances lie. If it's too much of a hassle, never mind. I'll probably figure it out soon enough.
No its sillier than that, its because they didn't want to see communist in lemmy.ml
Define brigading.
Coordinated attempts to sway public discussions
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading
Top three replies:
A concentrated effort by one online group to manipulate another. (e.g. by mass commenting)
When people from one group, organization, fandom, forum, server, etc. aggressively infiltrates, usually spontaneously, a rival forum, server, or stream; negative criticism is usually given to the victim of a brigade (the event itself sometimes being called a raid), with insults and counter-signaling common. Usually used in the past participle ("brigaded"). Brigades can be done in good humor, but are usually antagonistic in nature.
Brigading is an online harassment tactic where a group of people rally against an individual (or occasionally against a small group of people) in a coordinated, sustained and organized way.
Some people just like lurking.
Some way to cut down on bot spam / bot shills. The political manipulation in Reddit really grew thick 2015ish and never went away.
The comment bots got thicker than mosquitoes in a swamp over the past couple of years. You couldn't go into a comment section without half the comments being bots reposting them from other similar threads.
Yes they did. It is/was rough.
/s
Pretty much accepted it was the end of reddit when that started appearing.... /s
That and 9gag immigrants
If lemmy can avoid the use of /s and 9gag immigrants I'll be a happy little lemonian.
Never got the resistance to /s. Some people just struggle with understanding sarcasm, seems an easy way to avoid misunderstanding.
The /s tag is important yo easily recognize sarcasm, especially for neurodivergent people.
Yeah, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. At times, it's easy to identify a sarcastic comment, and sometimes it's not clear. I have myself interpreted comments on differently before seeing the /s at the end. Changes the entire perspectives sometimes.
Part of the humor in sarcasm is feigned sincerity.
It's like explaining the joke immediately after telling it. If you have to tell everyone its sarcasm, then you've done a bad job at deploying sarcasm.
I think because for those who do understand it the /s just ruins the joke. So I don't think there is pleasing both sides.
Agreed. I can't tell you how many times in business I've seen a matter of fact text or email set someone off thinking the sender was some sort of monster. Try to add any humor and it can be 100% worse when it comes to interpreting.
I never had an issue with the /s used. Yes, I could read it as sarcasm 90% of the time before it appeared. But to me the written word should always add clarity. If the one commenting felt it should be used then so be it.
Yea, always hated that one.
maybe Elon musk will save the children /YET I SPEAK FALSLY FOR HUMOROUS EFFECT AS MUSK WILL IN FACT NOT SAVE ANY CHILDREN
You're stepping on the joke, once by mentioning it, and again by ripping out the best thing about low-key sarcasm: that some people don't get the joke.
Frankly, its racist against the British.
This is a good point, and it lead me to a realization: on reddit, there are two crowds that don't get the joke. The first is the people the sarcasm makes fun of. The second is people on your side that just really love correcting people. Treating you like you're serious is a chance to correct you and gain community approval for how "right" they are. They miss the sarcasm because they're so excited to correct someone and gain community approval for it.
This isn't a problem in real life: you know who you're around, and you make sarcastic jokes when everyone around you knows your stance already. I can see why /s became a sort of necessary protection on reddit. We can hope to not have to protect ourselves from people like that here, and not need /s as a result.
Writing and reading sarcasm on screenplays work, though. So why not on any Internet social platforms? This buffles a lot of Redditors. They really take the post/replies too serious.
i just kinda stopped using reddit around then, mainly only became active again because stuck at home.
Always lurked, just stopped posting after so many insane arguments over sarcasm. Really should have been a cross instead of a slash.
The word "based"
Based.
I really dislike replies to questions that aren't really lengthy or offer any discourse. I always found people to reply just with the title of a film when someone would ask "whats your favourite movie and why?" on askreddit. Too often people would just write the name of the film and that was it, made the whole experience redundant. I feel like this got worse after years of being on the site.
Reddit gold.
Annoying clickbait titles on posts making you click to see wtf they were talking about - EG: "Can we take a second to thank this character in Game of Thrones"
God yes, this annoyed me so much in AskReddit threads. I've always been tempted to make one of those snarky AskReddit threads which would be like: "Why do you never explain why something is good/bad, and only drop the name of it?"
Yeah honestly I stopped browsing AskReddit because of that. And I don't think it was necessarily entirely the commenters' fault, I think it was that the questions have gotten worse over time.
Reddit had a lot of subreddits where the users seemed to hate each other and I'm hoping that can be avoided with Lemmy. I guess with the way Lemmy works, two communities that hate each other don't have to complain about sharing the same website the way they did on Reddit.
I think that aspect of not sharing is a great point. Seems like a group would be going out of the way to find other groups to dislike even.
Everything on that AMA
Massive amounts of cross-posting / re-posting of the same memes over and over again for klout farming. It's seriously awful on Reddit.
@gronapa
I wish there was multidimensional voting, and a way to filter out downvotes from people you don't align with. Minority opinions matter, but then getting downvoted to oblivion because the majority doesn't agree is damaging. It tends to lead to lowest common denominator content or proven reposts.
No, I have to disagree. That would lead to echo chambers worse than even the worst of subs on Reddit.
Yeah I proposed that on one of the GitHub feature requests for Lemmy, per-instance configurable multi dimensional voting. The default implementation to be "relevant/irrelevant" and "agree/disagree"
unchecked anonymous shitposting trolls
liberals, lemmy was made by communists for communists
Seems like that's a lost hope points to trans athlete comments above. Mastodon was essentially a leftist space upon creation as well, wasn't it? I'm new here, but I am hoping that once people catch on to how the fediverse works, they will sort themselves into their "appropriate" instances, or just leave altogether. I do not care about the echo chamber argument, I want my online space to be relatively cozy and not filled with "WeLl AcKtUaLlY" smug centrists.
What is the connection between communism and the transgender movement? Is it as simple as there being significant overlap as marginalized groups fighting against the status quo? The interviews for the Marxist instances pointedly asked how I felt about LGBTQ, and now you're intimating that discussing Trans athletes is indicative of someone being a liberal as opposed to a leftist. I don't see how someone's opinion about Trans athletes has anything to do with their opinion about the optimal socioeconomic structure of society.
Oh boy, you're going to be in for a disappointment
hopefully when hexbear.net federates and drops several thousand marxist leninists onto lemmy later this week that'll change
Are your principles that weak that you can't even debate them?
Do we really need safe spaces where our ideas aren't challenged?
One of my gripes with Reddit was that subs became circlejerks where any opposing views got downvoted to oblivion so people just left the sub.
Lemmy may have been made by commies, but the fibre and 5g was built with capitalism.
yes, i would much rather be among people who don't actively support the pillaging of the global south and the american war machine, i don't like being among people who treat my identity as a trans woman as something that should be subject to debate over whether i should be allowed to get gender affirming care. I dont want every second of being online to be focused around debate bro liberals asking me to justify my beliefs to them, if they want to learn i'm willing to talk, if they want to try to do an epic own in the free market place of ideas i don't really care enough to engage that much, except maybe to mock them.
i think the redditor influx to lemmy is a good thing, its created an active space for liberals to be taught some class consciousness by committed communists from lemmygrad and hexbear in a space that is controlled by other open marxist leninists. it doesnt mean i have to like the liberals though.
Zero tolerance for fascists, and zero tolerance for state propagandists.
The fact that Lemmy is federated means you don't need to be tolerant of anyone and if they want to keep spewing bigotry and lies. If you make it impossible for them to exist in an instance they'll have to either give up or spool up their own instance that we can isolate.
Because running an instance requires some organization, maintenance, and money, anything that becomes too isolated from the rest of the fediverse will eventually die out.
I like the anonymity of Reddit (I had multiple accounts there too) but it would be great if we could use our own domains as a handle as a way of being โverifiedโ. I know this is possible on the AT Protocol with BlueSky, might even be possible here, but I thought it would help with giving some authority/authenticity to users who want or need it.
Fear of dropping the hammer down on bad actors.
And power mods too. No point moving to the Fediverse just to have all the content moderated and censored by 8 or 10 power trippy losers.
That's a good thing about Fediverse. Anyone can create their own instance and recreate the board/community/magazine there. Nobody needs to be under the thumb of some sore mod.
We just need a well maintained core and installer so anyone, anywhere can get an instance going.
That's how I understand it anyway, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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One thing that I think would be interesting would be a small change to the upvote downvote system. Instead of just showing the total upvote -downvote, you could instead have a percentage, say as a pie chart. That way a user could visually see how agreeable/disagreeable a controversial topic is, instead of just + and - karma.
Similar to how the post vote percentage worked on reddit. I think I've been seeing the total + / - on comments here in my time browsing.
Lol there's already at least one person on my instance who rocked up and created about 50 communities to grab the names. People gonna people.
That raises a question - is there a mechanism for a community creator to hand over mod rights to others?
I was considering doing something like you describe, not because I want to be in charge (I definitely don't) but to try and start to recreate some of the Reddit subs I really enjoyed which didn't already exist here.
I've made one for MST3K (https://lemmy.world/c/mst3k), but I don't particularly want to be a mod, I just wanted it to exist in order to give Reddfugees more incentive to stick around. Was considering doing the same for other things - Twin Peaks, David Lynch, Scottish Football, Dance music, etc, but I don't want it to seem like a power grab.
EDIT - I discovered an answer to this: a mod can make anyone who has commented on a community into a mod of that community using the three dot menu on one of their comments:
Not sure whether that would let the second mod kick the first mod off though, or whether the community creator retains access regardless.
I'd like less nazis. Including the dog whistling kind.
You should say "fewer Nazis." Ha! Didn't think you'd meet a grammar Nazi so soon did you?
You should actually say "No Nazis at all"
Since Nazis took over a Bluey Memes (children's cartoon) Facebook page, I realized the only way to be rid of them is to have a zero tolerance for Nazis policy. Anything community purports "free speech" should be considered an immediate dog whistle for fascist creep.
I agree with you. I hope karma is not implemented on Lemmy. The up/downvote system is fine the way it is now. I will say also coins and awards. I don't really think those are necessary. I'm aware that was something characteristic to reddit (correct me if I'm wrong) but I prefer all that to not come back.
I think awards might be a good source of revenue though?
The comment "This" is annoying to me. Just use the upvote button!
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Yea that seems like something that started showing up more as time went on and more users joined. The trends and jokes did get tiring.
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The comment "this" comes from sites that don't have votes. The equivalent here is voting. It really is that simple.
This. I usually try to avoid commenting just โThisโ and try to give more explanation why Iโm saying that. Feel like thatโs the proper way of doing it.
Personally I am commenting and posting much more now than ever on reddit. I want to transition to lemmy and see it grow as I refuse to use the Android reddit app.
I am not typing/imagining a comment and then not posting it here either like many people do on reddit. It seems like a good time to become less of a lurker.
Add back the hardcoded slur filter but just for these kind of comments
This tbh
Agree. Kind of relatedly, anyone know what boost does versus an upvote?
Assuming they use Mastodon terminology it likely means the same thing as a retweet.
(For anyone confused, OP's using kbin, not Lemmy)