Lol people are toxic everywhere.
There is plenty of toxicity, but I don't think it "migrated" from reddit. It's just a property of people.
Blaming reddit for reddit's behavior is a very reddit thing to do.
Yes exactly, the difference between Lemmy and Reddit is that while Reddit encouraged toxicity it for engagement purposes, Lemmy admins are incentivized to shut it down ASAP.
There will always be sucky people wherever humans congregate, the question is will they be allowed to disrupt everyone else.
Every time we get a wave of fresh influx, it seems to bring a fair number of upset people here. I'm not particularly surprised, they're coming from a less-pleasant environment just in general.
People do seem to settle down a little bit after they get some time to unwind from that all, though.
Not really. Disagreement, even angry disagreement, but only hexbear did I find truly toxic.
Conversely, I had to use reddit recently (to find an old post) and I don't know if its because I haven't been there for months and I'd forgotten how bad it is or if it is actually worse but fucking hell it was like a war zone.
Yeah I popped over there for a sec and holy hell what a toxic crap hole. Like, ok, on lemmy there are a few shitty takes here and there. But most of the folks writing them are generally ok and it is a one off. Discussions are mostly good faith and reasonably civil. Signal to noise ratio is so much higher.
On Reddit it is just a deluge of hateful bullshit and most of those post an endless stream of it. Nearly all the discussions are bad faith full of venom and ire pushing propaganda and lies and hate. With downvote brigading and astroturfing galore.
(Mind you I don't see anything from hexbear anymore... Quite a few really bad eggs from that basket JFC)
Big same on that second paragraph.
Honestly, I've found this place to be a lot more toxic than Reddit, especially when it comes to tech.
Absolutely. I just recently got roasted for posting a guide to updating the BIOS on certain laptops in the Linux forums.
Was expecting a small number of comments, maybe a couple of questions or "thanks"; nope.
"OP IS RETARDED THATS NOT HOW YOU DO IT!!!!!" Neckbeards gonna neck.
I came across a highly upvoted comment on Lemmy saying that they wished someone would engineer a virus to fucking murder everyone with right-wing fundamentalist views. Now, I don't like right-wingers and think they need to fuck off, but calling for the presumably extremely slow and painful (as viruses tend to be) deaths of so many millions of people is pretty fucked up and I got heavily downvoted for pointing that out.
Yeah, this place is even more toxic than Reddit. There was a period when it was new that it seemed like everyone was a lot nicer and more positive, but that has ended.
Somewhat. I’ll use myself as an example.
When I first came to Lemmy, I was more defensive than I realized. I had gotten used to aggressive, obnoxious behavior. Soon, I noticed that wasn’t an accepted norm here. It only took a couple days to realize, but I needed a few weeks to actually get out of the habit. In those early days, I’m sure I brought some toxicity with me.
Now, though, I don’t create, feed, or encourage toxic comments. I just assume it’s an honest mistake, poor choice of words, or someone whose primary language isn’t English. If I choose to reply, I’m friendly, and give them the benefit of the doubt. If a comment seems deliberately rude or trolling, I don’t engage at all.
Also, how nice is it to be able to give (or get) the benefit of the doubt?!? You can make a spelling error without getting three or four pedantic screeds! I didn’t realize how much I missed basic civility until I rediscovered it here!
Sounds like you’re in a much healthier mindset now! And I think that mindset spreads just as virally as toxicity, both online and in real life.
Kudos on the introspection and growth, my friend
The communities I frequented in Reddit were pretty positive. I see more snarky comments on Lemmy, but I'm posting more here, so maybe I'm just getting more interactions.
I thought so until I went back to reddit and saw the difference. Just today there was a post on PublicFreakout about Just Stop Oil sitting in front of a bus and over 300 comments wishing the bus driver would have ran over the protestors and killed them. It was actually insane.
Yeah the attitude on Reddit of using a car as a self defense weapon against protestors really baffled me during the BLM protests. They downvoted me like mad when I said it was cringy and sick for them to get so hyped over clips of it happening
Yeah it's terrible that people wish other people would die due to their beliefs or activism. It's just not necessary and just plain inhumane.
On the other hand I just wish these just stop oil protesters weren't so dumb. I still remember the UK article about them halting a tanker truck. Meanwhile the driver is talking to a news crew saying something along the lines of "Yeah but that's cooking oil"
Then there's the thing about them hiring a hall for a rally and holding a banquet. With plastic cutlery... Like what? You're using oil based shit. At least check yourselves in the mirror before you go out and tell others how to go about things.
A few weeks ago I saw a reddit thread where the general consensus was that microtransactions were ok and even good. How it has changed from its heyday.
I don't know if I've seen more toxicity per se, but I definitely have seen more negativity recently. I remember when I first got here during the reddit protest stuff, everyone was so nice and it felt very refreshing compared to reddit. Now I don't get that feeling. There are still plenty of nice people, but there's just a lot of bitterness regarding the state of the internet right now.
As well there should be. Enshittification is here to stay it seems.
Nice people are still around, but in smaller communities
Not really. I've seen a lot arguments on here actually resolve amicably instead just degrading into personal attacks. Also seen people take criticism
Yeah, I particularly remember seeing two people go back and forth, and you'd have to click "Show further thread" like 6 times before one of them just quit it.
I tend to genuinely feel that the users here are more mature and more open minded.
On reddit 😡
Here on Lemmy 🤤
Actually had a conversation the other day on Lemmy with another user where we disagreed on a topic.
We did not attack each other or were agressive. So I'll take that as a win
This place feels too political sometimes. I'm alright with being political, but just with the right amount.
To be fair, choosing Lemmy over Reddit is absolutely a political choice, hence people here are going to be more politically-minded.
The toxicity here is rather different than what i've experience in Reddit, the kind that make me quit it just like that. It's just too many kids there.
I agree, people around here seem more mature on the whole. In my last year of Reddit, not only was I getting tired of the comment reposting bots, the teenagers subreddit seemed to permeate throughout the rest of the site more.
Maybe? I definitely interact with more users lately who seem unable to make a point without being a condescending ass hat at the same time. Couldn't say for sure if they're coming over from Reddit, though.
No, but certainly seems that Reddit has turned into a cesspool of right wing ideology.
I've never see that much toxicity on Reddit to begin with. Most of us came due to Spez.
Kinda? Maybe not explicitly toxicity, but some passive aggressiveness.
I've grown pretty accustomed to stuff like that – you get used to it after spending so many years on open forums.
I used to try to "clap back" but I realized that's a waste of time and it doesn't help whatever situation the person on the other side might be going through. I now tend to just move on and keep myself busy with something else.
I mean, the toxicity wasn't a reddit thing, it was the users. Reddit was big, so many were there. Some of those users moved. So it's here on lemmy too now.
Not really. One of the things that annoyed me on Reddit was posting something and getting told to search the subreddit for a similar topic or question that was posted a over six months ago but people here are pretty chill and willing to engage in a conversation instead of just commenting a joke or "This" or at the very least understanding.
Could be people just appreciate having content to engage with.
I quite liked the joke threads, specifically because they were threads and I could close them all in one tap if I wasn't in the mood.
The "This" and "+1" shit can stay away though. There's an upvote button for a reason.
I quite liked the joke threads, specifically because they were threads and I could close them all in one tap if I wasn't in the mood.
I guess I just never cared for the Reddit style of humor. Especially when I was looking for additional information on a topic.
The "This" and "+1" shit can stay away though. There's an upvote button for a reason.
People there really seen to put a lot of weight in up votes. I wonder how much of that is fishing for karma
I habitually downvote any dismissive "just Google it" replies.
I feel like Google's search results have also turned to trash in the last couple years making that an even more annoying statement.
Yes. Mainly in posts and communities about politics. If you say something too Right Wing (US). You will get mobbed.
Sorry, the fact you're being downvoted for this is kinda funny.
As a generally left-leaning person, lemmy absolutely has a leftist demographic, and most politics-related threads are full of upvoted low effort hot takes, while relevant but unpopular opinions tend to get downvoted.
But, then again social media is gonna social media...
I think joining an instance that's defederated from Hexbear and Lemmygrad could be a good starting point for an enjoyable experience here. You don't even need to hold right wing opinions, being an anti-authoritarian leftist is enough.
I don’t know about toxicity, but I despise seeing the same damn low-effort, popularity seeking, and pointless questions on asklemmy as askreddit is polluted with. Really not a fan, and I downvote every single one.
At the very least everyone here seems to be on the same page about women being people, so definitively an upgrade.
Yes.
Me, i am the toxicity that migrated from Reddit, I am Dimethyl Cadmium.
I've been called an idiot here a couple of times, but I think I'm drawn to the irrationally angry people
I have gotten downvoted a good amount for comments that lean more right or contrarian, I don't really know if that can be helped and that's not the majority of my comments so it doesn't ruin my experience or anything. But it does contribute to an echo chamber.
Mostly annoyed me because on the Liftoff app it wouldn't show comments voted below zero on my profile and I used to want to check back in on the further discussions my comments spawned.
Grab boosted. Liftoff was great at first but it had so many damn flaws like what you said that I switched.
Yeah I find that there is almost zero nuance tolerated , though better than reddits absolute zero. If you have any opinion differing slightly from others it's easy to get called an idiot or fascist.
Yeah absolutely. And there's toxicity that was already here, see hexbear and any other radical left communities.
Are you asking about a specific episode or community of toxic behavior that originated there but has found its way here? If so, then my answer is no. Granted, I haven't visited that other site in such a long time, I likely wouldn't know if some specific instance of toxicity here was actually related to something over there. Also, I mostly avoid the communities here that are named similarly to subs over there which always seemed to be a magnet for drama or poor behavior. Mostly.
But if you're asking in a more general sense, then my answer is yes(-ish). I have experienced and seen a fair bit of toxic behavior and numerous toxic users here. In many cases, the behavior and mannerisms mimic the toxicity I was used to seeing on the other site. So, I presume it's something that originated there and then subsequently migrated here, but I obviously couldn't say with complete certainty and absolute proof.
Granted, that's not unexpected, and as other folks have already commented, toxic people and toxic behavior are pretty pervasive and ubiquitous on social media sites.
I have experienced the same reddit toxicity with some specific users and certain groups of users that fit within certain demographics
A little but it's like a mix of toxicity from multiple sites
No.
A bit of toxicity around specific instances/communities but not really the type from reddit. Also it's easy enough to block those instances. People in general have been great on Lemmy.
Been seeing a lot of troll accounts, but over all nothing too extreme.
Nope. Unless these whining posts about toxicity count as toxic.
Outside of one troll that was banned for spamming comments sections with videos that I hope I never see again, I don't know if I've used Lemmy, whether it be my account on the main instance or this account, enough since the Reddit protests to really see anything "toxic". I have noticed that there have been more times where I've felt like I didn't belong here but I think I've always kind of felt like this and it's just more noticeable because I use Lemmy more since I stopped using Reddit.
Edit: You do know that down voting me just proves my point, right?
I wouldn't say that it migrated. I would say engagement increased on Lemmy and, with it, so did the toxic behavior. There are a lot more bitch fights on here now, but that comes with the territory of more posts. Reddit did seem to encourage this type of behavior, though. While there are some Lemmy instances that do seem to encourage toxicity (I have a couple in mind), the majority seem to be affected by it without actively encouraging it. Toxic behavior is, generally, human nature, because humans are toxic creatures. Most people, however, don't default to toxicity; they need to be encouraged into it.
