Cisgender Boy Forced to Play on Girls' Sports Team Because of Birth Certificate Error
Cisgender Boy “May Only Participate” On Girls’ Sports Team After Birth Certificate Error
We informed the parent that documentation such as a chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in accordance with policy.
I cannot imagine being the dumbass who said that with a straight face.
I don't understand why it's the school asking for this and not whoever updated the birth certificate? How did school administrators become the judges of who is a boy or girl?
republican laws often give the final say to the loudest karen and the cost onto the schools.
Because their the ones who will be prosecuted under the law if they allow a kid to play on the wrong team.
My (cis female) birth certificate erroneously was filled out with "male". Same error happened on the birth certificate of my mother (who is also cis female). It's never caused either of us any problems. Schools enrolled us as female, driver's licenses say female, etc.
When I was in college in the early 2000s, my dad's mother helped me get a copy of my birth certificate, and was horrified her beautiful granddaughter was listed as male. She called up the county clerk and raised Cain, and then informed me it had been corrected. I've never needed to get a fresh copy since then, so I don't know for sure, but it sounded like the word of an angry old lady was enough to get an update filed.
From reading the articles about this: The birth certificate was already updated, no problem. The school, however, has its internal policy regarding "amended birth certificates". The school policy says this boy is to be treated as a girl, because his sex is F. It doesn't go any deeper than that. This is the hell of bureaucracy.
Did anyone inform the administration that documentation such as chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in participating with the human race? Because it seems like they might be a slime mold, based on their integrity and decision-making ability.
Feels like malicious compliance to me. But who knows.
Edit: For those downvoting, someone else in the comments pasted a quote about a law that was passed in that state. So I was just speculating that maybe they were maliciously complying to show how ridiculous it is.
What a shithole country.
That’s beginning to feel like an understatement. We need a new type of hole to describe just how shit things are. A shit-Mariana Trench country, perhaps.
How 'bout... Trumphole? Truole?
When they did a scan of my colon, they found I had pollips. Thats how we discovered I have cancer.
Then they cut the pollips off. I imagine that left a hole in the pollip area.
How about colon pollip hole?
Uranus's moon Miranda has features called coronae, at least one of which has a depth probably exceeding the Challenger Deep low point of the Mariana Trench - estimated at 10 to 20 kilometers, vs. Challenger Deep's 10.4 kilometers.
Alternatively, the Kola Superdeep Borehole SG-3 has a depth of over 12.2 kilometers, also deeper than Challenger Deep.
Shitpact crater.
It’s not the size of the whole that makes it bad, it’s the contents of the whole. So maybe a bloody diarrhea whole?
A diarrhea hole.
I think we can just call it dumpf's diaper.
I have one, "the USA".
Arizona, too. Not even one of the true asshole-of-the-country states.
So is Lemmy.ca just another .ml with maple syrup?
Blind obedience to the papers. No thought required.
Not even that since it says the parents got it corrected, he now has a birth certificate saying he's a male, but they are still clinging to the first one.
i'm becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of admin workers are just a bit evil, every decision seems to be guided by "what is the most egregious way i can misinterpret and mangle this paperwork?"
just recently there was a guy here in sweden who was fucking pronounced dead for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and courts ruled that it was an honest mistake???? like what the fuck, why are random admin workers seemingly a separate untouchable ruling class?? We're not even talking about rich people, it's just Mary in accounting who is arbitrarily allowed to redirect your wage to her bank account and go unpunished.
Your gender is what you declare
Your gender is what's in your pants
Your gender is what I declare
Say the 5 middle-aged men on the school board that are probably thrilled at being able to do genital inspections of children. "Sorry, those are the rules that I wrote!"
i have changed your gender, pray i do not alter it further
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👉👈
Pwease can you alter it a bit further good sir?
Finally something all of us can get behind, am I right fellow "DROP TABLE"s?
So glad kids can experience political influence in their personal lives. They will learn what needs to burn down.
A town that shuns a child risk that child burning it down just to feel the warmth.
This is the kind of stupid bullshit republicans create because they don't solve problems they create contraversies in a lab and then when they actually get voted into office to "solve" them they literally do stupid shit like this.
i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed. Also i think the competetivness of american school sport is kind of toxic, it should be about having fun
Ultimate Frisbee did this by forcing a certain number of boys/girl per team. If you don't impose that you end up with a boys team anyway at high level.
i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed.
Girls' teams exist entirely to guarantee girls a number of slots, on the presumption that on average in most sports once you hit puberty generally the boys will start to dramatically outperform the girls due to things like size, upper body strength and other traits that are broadly connected to testosterone levels. Then you have things like chess, where you still have a women's league, but that basically exists because "not enough" women play chess and the notion is that a smaller talent pool broadly means easier competition that will in turn be more approachable.
Mixed teams in school sports as a general practice won't happen unless specific minimums are mandated, because it would impact competitiveness.
At the same time, under Title IX, if there is no girl's team and a girl wants to play a sport she must be allowed to try out and must be allowed to play if she can pass try outs. The reverse is not required under current interpretations, leading to a weirdly discriminatory interpretation of a law banning discrimination.
Yeah, that will work out well. I cannot think of a sport that is played in school that would fair to the girls if all sports were mixed teams. By the time kids are 13-14 years old, the boys are starting to get to be bigger, taller, faster, and stronger. And the disparity only gets worse as they age.
And one of the driving tenants of sports IS to teach competitiveness.
Why should we be teaching competitiveness? That’s how you turn society into individuals who only look out for their own needs and are apathetic when you do things like a fascist coup. Oh wait…
Nah, I’d much rather be teaching kids cooperation.
(Sports are still great, but not for the reason of teaching competitiveness).
In my school we had boys the same age who had a foot of height and 80 pounds of weight difference between them. There are better ways to divide competition other than gender.
I feel like that could be fixed by just doing a weight class so gender does not become the factor but overall strength and that also gives the opportunity for weaker boys to play sports and not get boxed out in boys only sports and stronger girls "like girls with PCOS" to not dominate girl Sports.
This is basketball, a sport that rewards tallness. By eighth grade boys are on average taller than girls. Even before you look at other gender differences, girls would be at significant disadvantage.
Many/most people are competitive, and competitiveness doesn’t have to be toxic. It’s fine for you not to be competitive, but people are, and it’s unreasonable to ask them to repress that part of their personality
i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed
At the middle school age range, girls are typically bigger and stronger than their male peers. Boys don't catch up until 14-16, at which point they rapidly put on height and mass to exceed their girl peers.
And what about it? It's been demonstrated within equality movements that statistical biological strength corresponding to sex does not always correspond to actual performance.
Mixed sports will allow a more inclusive learning style, which technically will allow a greater variety of skills to be develop and more opportunities for the future.
Can we just separate kids by skill level rather than gender? My middle school cis son loves playing sports, but he's not very good. He gets discouraged when the better kids bully him because of it.
I don't see why bottom tier teams shouldn't be co-ed. PE we did co ed sports days all the time and its more about getting exercise than winning.
Maybe, for "rec league" or whatever, but school teams are usually meant to be competitive, and non-gendered sports would mean girls wouldn't have equitable access to athletics.
But even for non-competitive teams, girls are unlikely to be able to access shared sports to the same level as boys. At a party high school I worked at, there was a major challenge with girls being willing to access open gym time, feeling uncomfortable advocating for access to basketball nets for practice—even girls who were on the competitive team felt they couldn't use open gym time.
TL;DR: Sexism runs deep. We need policies that recognize that and build equity, not just offer "equality" that perpetuates, or even magnifies, the problem.
I'm glad the people that had emotional meltdowns over the chance of boys being on girls teams... have made a boy, by their own actions and stupidity, be forced on the girls team
Sex segregation in childrens sports is legitimately a powerful indoctrinating force for binary sexism and the enforcement of gender roles.
Now do same sex schools
I still think we should only have co-ed teams no gendered teams
Makes sense. Although when you word it that way my first thought was to expect teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers the Philly Sandwiches
If that were me, I’d start wearing skirts and mascara. Let my nails grow out, tweeze my asshole, shave my treasure trail into a facsimile of a set of ovaries. Pitch my voice up, incorporate the words “bitch” and “tea” into my daily vernacular. Cry after sad movies and even harder after happy ones. Entirely unrelated to the article, btw
Take your pills, Alice.
At that point, don't you just start using the girls facilities to try and force the issue? The girls would get their parents to complain a "boy" is in their bathrooms and delaying gym by waiting for him to use the locker room. How incredibly asinine that a doctor is not enough to assert the kid's gender to their administration
The district pointed to a state law enacted in 2022, which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. A federal judge blocked enforcement of that law in 2023, but only against two trans student-athletes who filed suit against it. (An appeals court upheld that injunction last year, and the Supreme Court declined to take up the case this summer.)
Any chance this is some malicious compliance?
It's really a no win situation though if the boy complies. Newsmax will show footage of a game he plays in as evidence that boys are playing in girls sports, and the idiots who watch will believe it and support even worse politicians and laws.
Any chance this is some malicious compliance?
It could be fear. No one wants a bunch of Karen’s screaming in their face. No one wants to be sued or fired. Maybe this is just someone who thinks they need to protect themselves over the kids they’re responsible for
That’s not a bad thing. He’s going to have a lot of girlfriends
No he will get made fun of from all the other kids
Two things can be true
Sounds like a fair exchange for a lot of girlfriends
I don't know how American birth certificates work. Is he officially female for life, unless he wants it changed?
I imagine trans people would be quite happy in such a situation. Like winning the lottery.
There is a process to amend birth certificates, presumably initially intended for errors like this. But then people who successfully transitioned used the process to amend their birth certificates to reflect their new gender, because there was no other way to do it. The transphobes seized on this, and started processes that refuse to honor any late changes to birth certificates.
It should have been a simple matter to resolve - his doctor wites a note saying "This kid has boy parts, and always has. The birth certificate was always an administrative error". But then, that would force the transphobes to acknowledge a role for facts and science to contradict their feelings. So, we can't have that either.
So, they go on claiming that they are just out for the best interests of kids, and that justifies why they are treating this kid so poorly. When in reality, they are just protecting their narrative, at his expense.
In current US, he's probably going to have to transition.
Normally people use common sense, it’s obviously a clerical error and you can get the paperwork fixed.
This is an example of right wing scare tactics against trans people in sports creating stupid laws that also don’t allow for the messiness of real life. I didn’t pay attention but it’ll be local to either the state or city
From the article it sounds like the birth certificate was corrected but the school isn’t accepting the change without a chromosome test, which costs $1,500. There’s another test that they could do that’s free, slightly embarrassing, and takes just a moment, but would require an adult to look when the kid drops his pants. It’s such a stupid non-issue. I can’t believe this happened, that we know about it, and that it hasn’t been resolved yet.
That wouldn't work. Conservatives needed to write iron-clad laws that no trans person could find a way around. If you base it on genitals, what happens when someone goes and gets sex reassignment surgery? That's not done on minors, but conservatives don't know that. How's a school coach to know that he isn't a trans guy that snuck off to Thailand one summer and got a dick installed? This is why these laws reference the original birth certificate. The entire point is to make it so sex is immutable and unchangeable.
This is what doctor's notes are for. And they had one.
It really sounds like somebody in the Queen Creek School District wanted to make a political issue out of him. Presumably, as cited in the article, the state law they pointed to enacted in 2022, which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. It doesn't matter where you are in the political aisle, it's pretty shameless to exploit this politically, even if it's just so they can go "look at how senseless this law is!" by making an issue out of its strictest interpretation.
which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport.
His biological sex is female. At least, according to the laws that transphobes have written. The problem with the term "biological sex" is that it's far more complicated than conservatives pretend.
For example, I'm a trans woman myself. If I had been born with an (age appropriate) of the body I have now, I would have been assigned female at birth. And according to all these new Jim Crow laws, I would be required to use the female facilities and accommodations, literally having the exact same body I do now.
You can try to claim that sex is chromosomes, but a biologist would laugh in your face. There is so much variance to human biological development that chromosomes don't begin to fully describe natal biological sex. And even if you ignored all that and went with chromosomes anyway? You could just genetically test everyone. But then conservative voters would hate that. The purpose of these laws is to destroy trans people, not to inconvenience cis people. And legislators don't want to force white suburban parents to pay $2000 for chromosome testing whenever their kid wants to join a sports team.
What else could they use? They could use hormones. A very good argument can be made that hormones simply are a person's biological sex. Hormones are what after all causes someone to actually develop a penis or vagina in the first place. So why not use a cheap blood test and assign sports based on hormones? Well, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people. And it's pretty easy to alter your hormones. Conservatives need rigid, unalterable, lifelong sex categories. Without those, they wouldn't be able to justify forcing women to be second class citizens.
What else? You could use physical features. You could have a coach visually inspect the genitals of every student who signs up for a team, but that has obvious problems. The coaching profession already is a magnet for pedophiles. Plus, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people, not inconvenience cis people. And no parents wants the coach looking at their kid's junk.
That's the problem with laws like this. That's what trans people have been shouting from the rooftops for years, but we've been ignored. The concept of "biological sex" is hopelessly vague. The use of the term is just a way of putting up a "no tr*nnies allowed" sign while attempting to be legally defensible. It's completely unworkable as a tool of assigning sports teams or public accomodations. So instead, the laws were written to use the only tool available: birth certificates. Legally speaking, in Republican states, the sex on your birth certificate IS your biological sex. Your actual genetics, gonads, hormones, etc are completely irrelevant. If your original birth certificate says F, you are female, forever. Your actual biology is irrelevant, you are biologically female, legally speaking.
So no, this isn't just some cruel political statement. This is the law being implemented exactly the way it was written. Trans people warned folks that any attempt to legislate trans people out of existence would have numerous knock-on effects for cis people. But in these states, they were too excited about the possibility of getting to destroy a few trans folks to worry about whatever those trans folks were screeching about.
You cannot just use "biological sex" in a law. You have to define precisely what that phrase means. And as conservatives don't like the definition of "biological sex" that actual biologists come up with, they have to try to craft a legal definition that destroys trans people without inconveniencing cis people. And that simply isn't possible. There's no way to write legislation that destroys trans people without also harming a few cis people as collateral damage.
This isn't inconveniencing anyone but the 1% of the 1% of cases. If you are going make a political tirade out of this, you should choose your punching bag better, this isn't even vague at all but just a bureaucratic mistake. There are cases where the term biological sex can be "hopelessly vague" but this isn't it as much as you might like it otherwise, and this just makes the people behind the decision look bad.
The kid identifies as cis, everyone of his classmates see him for his gender, hormone and chromosomal expression are likely standard cis. People better hope that it can't be traced back to any sort of political baggage, or that if it is, that it is due to conservative influence, because this is going to backfire spectacularly. It isn't going to make or break any of the laws behind it, but it is illustrating a certain lack of humanity on the people enforcing the law, and that gives mouthpieces with an axe to grind something to barrage behind.
Kudos on being trans and defending "the law is the law" in regards to transphobic laws. Wanna know a secret? They don't care about the law, look at Trump. Another secret, the law itself is only defined by when its chosen to be enforced, cue hundreds of outdated laws still on the books. Sarcasm aside, the sadism of sharing the pain is never constructive, but isn't even really applicable in this case, this is just an article blowing up because a newspaper needed to sell stories and fight against the bureaucracy is always an enticing one.
Mental gymnastics cannot make up for a lack of humanity, which is precisely the problem of transphobes. I'd recommend emulating them less in this regard just because you think you can argue a hallmark out of the case.
So does he have to use the girls' bathroom, also??
I'm genuinely curious what happens for example if this cis gender boy wants to get married with a cis gender girl. Would that be a gay marriage (I dunno what is the correct term). And if they are in a state where it's not allowed, how does it go?
(I am not from US. I assume union of same sex is not fully accepted and every state and/or community have different laws and practices)
Gay marriage is legal in every state since 2015. Supreme Court ordered it with Obergefell v Hodges
I like how US laws are cited. "Can Asians own SUV?". Yes they can since Mathews vs Jonathan in 1994.
Sounds like they threw two people in the pit and the victor of the bout decided the law on that.
For now. That's next to get the ax on the conservative agenda.
On one hand, poor guy. On the other, if he's any good the girls' team is going to sweep whatever competitions they enter.
He should play on all the girls teams, crush it like a total badass, then when conservative parents complain that "a boy is playing on the girls team" everyone can tell them to shut the fuck up because this is the future they always wanted. One with no exceptions or grey areas to speak of.
You say this like conssrvatives would even grasp the facts that they did this. You're talking about the same group who claims to live their life based on the teachings of Jesus, who cared for all, even the misfortunate. Then they turn around and cheer the dismantling of snap and medicaid with zero irony that it's what Jesus would want.
He should play on all the girls teams, crush it like a total badass, then when conservative parents complain that “a boy is playing on the girls team” everyone can tell them to shut the fuck up because this is the future they always wanted.
He would be killed for doing this.
If we were talking about an adult, I'd agree. To an 8th grader, the idea of playing on the girl's team as a boy probably sounds like the world is ending
Last year, Laker reportedly won a conference championship for the wrestling team at the school.
I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't compete feeling that it's unfair for everyone else.
Laker Jackson “has been enrolled in QCUSD since elementary school and has been registered as a biological female throughout their time in our district,” the district’s statement read in part. “The day before basketball tryouts, the parent submitted a new birth certificate and a doctor’s note indicating a gender change. Our schools rely on a student’s original birth certificate at birth to determine athletic eligibility [....] We informed the parent that documentation such as a chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in accordance with policy.”
Becky Jackson told KNXV that the cheapest option for genetic testing her family was able to find would cost them $1,500 — with no guarantee that her son would be granted eligibility. “So who’s going to pay for that?”
What absolute moron is running that school district?
Is it possible they are hoping it gets attention to show how stupid the law is?
perhaps, but that's also cruel...
I would guess they're just trying really hard to avoid triggering Trump's wrath. A discrimination lawsuit is comparatively small to the devastation you can get from running afoul of the most powerful dictator in history
Not only could the school and state potentially lose all federal education funding, but Trump may go after the school administrators personally. He's been rather successful lately at going after anyone he disagrees with. Political opponents like Comey and Bolton. Judges like the Oregon one that blocked the National Guard deployments, or the immigration judges that refused to simply dismiss asylum cases without hearing them. Even just random individuals that happen to be negatively mentioned on Fox News have been increasingly under extra-judicial attack by the president
America is now a nation by, and for, Trump
It's not my fault that Buttle's heart condition penis didn't appear on Tuttle's file!
My take: school asking for the certificate? Wrong. Now that they have it, they are reacting legally correct, because that birth certificate is a legal document. Sucks for the boy, but the fault is 100% the parents.
What are you basing your assertion on? The article links to the state law and says the law doesn’t prevent girls from playing on boys teams, so it doesn’t matter if it’s a clerical mistake or not.
Don’t all schools ask for birth certificates? At that age it’s your only id, most kids only legal connection to their parents, your only legal indication of age.
I suppose it could also be weaponized to deprive immigrants of an education.
That being said, I looked it up and my state schools are mandated to equally educate all residents regardless of immigration status and are not allowed to ask about immigration status, nor to cooperate with ICE barring court order
In my case, the municipality is responsible for registering kids at public schools and they know the true identity already. The school only gets to see the name, address and maybe the gender.
logic
The worst part is he doesn't even like sports!
Hey God why do you allow parents to name their children shit like Laker?
So after all the hysteria about “biological males” in women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms, they have succeeded in forcing a biological male into women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms.
They'll be grooming him into a femboy soon enough, y'know, because masculine men should dominate inferior males. Not because they're gay, or anything.
State sponsored thigh highs, mandatory white monster, and full ride scholarships into nuclear engineering and programming!
Just to go full circle on their dumbfuckery, I'd bet that they'll start advocating for the school to pay to have him transition against his will so his outward appearance will match his birth cert.
It’s basically eugenics the long way round so yeah, it’ll be an instant success with the base
"thems the rules" mother fuckers when it's convenient.