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I gladly welcome New Zealand into the third world.

You're citing my text but cutting off just before the point I was trying to make.

Yes, because my point is that your point doesn't make sense.

I think be would still side with the people who claim to follow his ideology

Why...? That's not how leftwing politics worked, ever, and it's not like there has ever been a shortage of leftwing criticism of Leninism and Stalinism.

r in Marx's case admitting that his ideas didn't work or the fact that they didn't work as intended cost the lives of millions.

Yeah that's my point: They're not his ideas; they're their ideas. Lenin for example, aside from being an authoritarian dickhead, was an intellectual juggernaut and a lot of his ideas would be baked into the foundation of the Soviet Union. What you're presenting here is a false dichotomy.

Um... is this sweet spot in the room with us right now?

I don't know enough about Maduro to judge him, but as for Putin and Xi? Yes, absolutely.

It's important to understand that 20th century communist states weren't just "communist" (there's no such ideology as communism); they were Marxist-Leninist, which despite the name is a rebranding of Bolshevism by Stalin. "Socialist" and "communist" are incredibly broad terms, and the idea that communist = implementing Marx's ideas is so reductive as to be just wrong. Now Marx's opinion would likely vary depending on time and place, but at least he'd probably condemn Stalin's USSR as an authoritarian hellhole. Beyond that I have no idea, but many Marxists who were contemporary to the things you describe condemned them and many others supported them, so we can't make a realistic guess without projecting our own values on him. Basically what you're asking is analogous to "what would Adam Smith think about the current state of the US;" it's something we can speculate about but generally isn't as salient a point as seem to you think it is.

PS: I suspect you don't know much about Marx's ideas, so you should start from there. First, the dictatorship of the proletariat isn't necessarily an actual dictatorship (that's not how the term is used by Marx).

I think if he were honest with himself he would see that what he got wasn't what he had envisioned in any of the countries that claimed to be communist/socialist.

I mean... obviously? Bolshevik theory (which is what all future socialist/"socialist" states would adopt) was their own take on Marxism with a lot of original thought. That's where the authoritarianism comes from, and it's not like the Bolsheviks were trying to hide it. Odds are Marx would denounce the Bolsheviks as heretics.

I mean, the East India Company was literally a company. It was capitalist as fuck.

I'm pretty sure there's no domestic terrorism charge in the US. There are state-level charges of doing insert crime as a terror act, but that's it.

No no you see it's only Science TM if they can use it to shit on Christians.

What? Conservatives in Lincoln's day were pro-slavery. Republicans were the progressive party when Lincoln was around.

I'd argue that, while the Taliban leadership should be isolated from international politics, sanctions on Afghanistan are doing more harm than good. Progress comes when people have food to eat and money to spend.

On the other hand, Mamdani is a brown Muslim socialist immigrant and Trump is an aspiring 21st century Hitler. Uh... I ain't holding my breath.

In what way is China fascist?

Are those "regulations" in the room with us right now?

Mfers looking for people driving with accents.

Yeah that's the thing: They (usually) do. It's weird and irrational, but people are weird and irrational.

Outside romantic relationships, the vast majority of people don't have to deal with false declarations of love, so there's no general method here. If you want to ask about your specific case you'll need to provide more information.

Ah, yes, society is now a much better place. Fucking nationalists, man.

No, it's a first world wide movement from Washington to Tokyo and then you have Russia and India. Bringing up China is probably cheating, but this trend is not apparent in developing democracies as a rule. What we're looking at here is overripe and/or rotting capitalist societies collapsing on themselves, not magic.

Alternate theory: This is a conspiracy to turn the Latin alphabet into an abjad. Would go along nicely with Zohran Mamdani teaching Arabic numerals.