Texas official warns against “measles parties” as outbreak keeps growing
Texas official warns against “measles parties” as outbreak keeps growing
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Texas official warns against “measles parties” as outbreak keeps growing
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We are careening toward the "end-game" for the rampant anti-intellectualism, anti-science, anti-critical thinking mind virus that plagued this country for at least the past 80 years.
This is what happens when you condition people for nearly a century, to get angry and defensive when someone who's more versed on a subject tries to teach them something (or god forbid, correct them). It has become a kneejerk reaction for so many Americans (mostly conservatives). They are so insecure that they view any type of education as a direct insult to them or some stupid bullshit like that. Like deep down, they know how ignorant they are, but for some reason they'd prefer to stay that way, so anyone who challenges that (regardless of how pure the motive), is a "smug piece of shit talking down to them."
And instead of even retaining what the person said, let alone learning it, they become even more radicalized against... well, reality.
I truly have no idea how something like this can ever be fixed at this level. We're talking over 50 million people give or take tens of millions (unsure how many have regrets).
And this is nation-ending shit.
Edit: Slightly related, but something I just thought about... Imagine if we ever have a prion-based pandemic (if that's possible?). That could straight up be the end of humankind. Prions are terrifying.
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Prion based pandemic is entirely possible.
I anticipate prions becoming a part of biological warfare in the coming years.
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Maybe... Prions are a different beast altogether in terms of illness. Even the most terrifying forms take years to debilitate and kill you. I don't think most countries want to wait that long to cripple an opponent, and definitely won't want to unleash anything on a neighbor that will certainly come back at them. Right now the only thing that truly gets prions to be gone is incineration levels of heat.
So I don't think biological warfare is going to be on the table. Maybe terrorist type attacks, where the asymmetrical nature of the opponents makes the user unconcerned about potential effects on themself.
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Prions unlikely, they don't possess the infectious nature of pathogens.. additionally it's a pretty rare disease, because animals showing signs of prions are usually eradicated and burned. Also humans can carry inheritable forms, which is even rarer than cow prions.
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Well said, extremely on point. I'm just curious about your view on the timeframe - you'd say this started in the 40s or earlier? In my mind it was more around the 60s, together with the rise of neoliberalism
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American religious anti-intellectualism as we know it really started with the rise of evangelism and fundamentalism in the 1890s-1900s. But it goes in phases: Pentecostalism emerges in the 1900s, fundamentalism and the rejection of modernity and science in the 1930s, anti-liberalism and various “youth” movements in the 1950s, television ministries and mega churches in the 1970s, religious political conservatism in the 1980s and 1990s, and the rise of the non-denominational “bible follower” churches in the 2000s.
But America also experienced several “awakenings” in the 1800s, which gave rise to all sorts of new flavors of spiritualism and Christianity ranging from Mormons to abolitionists. And there’s the rise of the (literal) Salvation Army in the US in the 1880s (but we really have the UK to thank for them).
It’s been incubating here for a long, long time.
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To be honest, I just threw a number out there without bothering to do the math... I guess I was thinking post-WW2, but yeah it could have been slightly later.
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Additionally people become bitter w.and conservative once they get a degree and never ended up in their field( they should know better), this is probably a small group but it does track. A lot of people love to choose majors like psych without researching you need a PsyD at the most to have a career
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What do you think BSE was? We were lucky to keep that within the cow population.
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I didn't know what it meant and had to look it up, and for anyone else wondering:
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), commonly known as mad cow disease, is an incurable and invariably fatal neurodegenerative disease of cattle. Symptoms include abnormal behavior, trouble walking, and weight loss. Later in the course of the disease, the cow becomes unable to function normally.
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True, forgot about Cruetzfeldt-Jacob.
Also, think that one in Africa that happened because the natives in the area had a tradition of eating the brains of their dead loved ones, was also a prion. I want to say Kuru? Koru?
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Ya got measles? Bring the kids over! We got enough raw milk for all of y'all!
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Who's bringing the roadkill bear meat?
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Whale carcasses
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This is Texas, not Tennessee/Kentucky/Arkansas.
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Oll-oh-yoll
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I think I heard if you drink raw milk with H15N while you have measles you get immunity to H15N!
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Eat some raw milk and end up looking like leatherface JR
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Measles parties is the stupidest thing I heard. It is not chickenpox (although even chickenpox instead of vaccine causes risk of having shingles once you get older), it can cause serious health issues and even death.
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The chickenpox vaccine is relatively recent, and chickenpox parties were a good way to inoculate children who get only mild symptoms and very little danger from the disease compared to adults.
Nowadays, vaccines are 100% the best defense.
Measles is so much worse and it has never been a good idea to purposely subject yourself to that.
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Yep, the vaccine is recent enough that if you were born in the 90s or before, the vaccine wasn't available when you were of the right age to get it. I didn't even know we had a vaccine until probably 5 years ago.
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Was still pretty dumb, because now they have shingles for the rest of their lives. Just laying in wait for the right moment to strike lol
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I know, that's what my parents did and I needed shingles vaccine.
I'm happy the vaccine is available for my kids and they don't have to worry about shingles when they are older.
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Yea I distinctly remember getting an Aveeno bath for it, and families were also having their other children around each other with chickenpox.
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It's so stupid I literally think it's an attack on US citizens by hostile foreign governments
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I'm just gonna say, I got lucky with where my shingles hit and it suuucked. It was just my side. I have a friend who got out across their face. I got very lucky.
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Neck for me. They got the paperwork ready to see an eye specialist if there's any sign that it might reach my eyes. Luckily didn't.
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And when the Great Corruption has settled over the land, and permeated the very foundations of reality itself, then shall the Lord of All rise from the rot and ruin, spread his arms wide to reclaim all his children.
May Grandpa nurgle bless everyone of them
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It'll continue to spread, as well. Last Friday, someone with contagious measles spent hours touring 2 Texas campuses, hours in college bars and restaurants, and hours in crowded tourist attractions. Next Friday, one of those colleges starts spring break - and it takes 2 weeks for the rash to start showing up. Some of those college students will have caught measles and will go on spring break, where they'll spread measles to other spring breakers. Three weeks from now, there'll be outbreaks in every state in the Union.
If you weren't vaxxed, you were under-vaxxed, not sure if you got vaxxed, or think the vax might not have taken, now it's an excellent time to get vaxxed.
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It depends on how badly we've fallen under herd immunity, but it does seem likely.
You can catch measles by entering a room, such as a classroom, where another student had measles two hours before.
Unvaccinated people are going to pay for the ignorance of their parents real soon.
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Unvaccinated, immunocompromised and babies under 2 years old are at risk. Vaccination is a collective effort to protect the most vulnerable.
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Herd immunity for measles is 95% vaccination if I recall correctly.
Google says rates are falling, and we're at 92.7%
The sad thing is that the electively unvaxxed people are probably going to be fine. Measles sucks, but most people get through it without any issues. The people who are unable to get the vaccine because of medical conditions... It's basically a death sentence for them.
Plus, elective antivax is dumb. Those people get rabies shots when they get bit by an animal, because they know that the vaccines work, they just like to deny it when the disease isn't extremely fatal to them.
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It’ll continue to spread, as well. Last Friday, someone with contagious measles spent hours touring 2 Texas campuses, hours in college bars and restaurants, and hours in crowded tourist attractions.
If accurate, this person belongs in fucking prison
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Well you know what they say...what doesn't kill you makes you have fewer cells that produce antibodies.
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Measles can cause immune amnesia, meaning your immune system forgets past illnesses and will have to go through initial sicknesses again.
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Yup. It's why so many died, not from measles, but from other diseases in the 3-5 years after they had measles. IIRC they only really worked this out in the last 5-10 years because of the amount of data to comb through.
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Wow. Texas out-Texases Texas.
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Most likely, but the chance of getting it anyway isn't zero.
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95% coverage for life and even if you get it, it would likely be very mild. Pre-1989 is 93% coverage IIRC.
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Saw a headline that the MMR vaccine may be reduced in effectiveness after 40-ish years. It's all breaking news since people being so backwards as to not be vaccinated in numbers to allow this kind of study to even materialize in a world that has a proven cure is certainly recent.
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You can ask to have your titers checked. I did mine about 5 years ago when it first started being reported that dipshits were doing their best to bring back measles and I was still well in the immune range but I'm glad I had it done. I had to tell my doctor I was traveling internationally to a country with lower vax rates (I was) to get him to agree, but I'd imagine doctors would be happy to check now.
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If you were born before 1989 then you may have only been vaccinated a single time; a second dose takes the vaccine effectiveness from 93% to 97%.
So if you’ve don’t have access to your childhood vaccine records, then as other have suggested asking you doctor to run titers for measles is the best way to protect yourself.
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You should have had two, and yes. It's 97% effective for life, typically.
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Depends the year you were born and where, of you had the latest vaccine and with 2 doses then it supposed to provide 97% protection. Though it all really depends how is your immune system. If you have immune condition you might need a booster.
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What the fuck is it that makes these people turn into lemmings as soon as Trump is in office?
And yes, I know Disney staged the whole lemmings jumping off a cliff thing, but the analogy stands, so don't fuckin' @ me.
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Way too many entries for the Darwin Awards this year
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theres a subreddit called hermain cain, i think that started to include this measles epidemic.
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Texas... warns AGAINST something dumb?
Genuine surprise over here.
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This is child abuse.
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Pro life starts at conception, pro life ends at birth
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Carlin said it best:
"If your prelife, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're fucked!"
And:
"Conservatives like live babies because they grow up to be dead soldiers."
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Republicans are right into that
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I am sure the people who hold measles parties will definitely listen to the government's recommendations on health decisions.
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I guess the idea behind a "measles party" is to introduce the virus to the child's immune system so that they can develop antibodies for it?
Damn, if only there was a safer way. Like if a doctor could introduce a very small amount of the virus to the child's immune system. Do you think a dead virus would be enough for the immune system to learn what it is and how to fight it? Why aren't scientists working on this?!
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Just a small akshually : Viruses cant be dead or alive because the have no metabolism anyway so most (modern) vaccines work by extracting their mrna or the lipids on their surface and injecting that. Injecting a small portion of whole viruses my still infect you. Fyi
Edit: ok I talked some garbage here: while viruses do not have a metabolism and thereby are, by the definition of some, not alive, there is apparently a way to make vaccines by destroying the genome of the virus via heat or chemicals and using the "shells" to make vaccines..
Source (disclosure: website owned by vaccine producer) here
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mRNA vaccines are, of course, just the absolute tits - but they're a tiny proportion of modern vaccines and the very first ones are one a few years old, created to treat COVID. But yeah, 100%, we don't use the virus in the vaccine! Even the first ever vaccine was (as you will know) not created from the disease it was meant to treat, but from one similar enough that it gave protection to the other. And smallpox doesn't exist any more so, well, that worked out pretty well didn't it. You don't give someone the virus to stop them getting that virus, but you might well give them a virus, in an attenuated form of the target
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What's hilarious to me is that this was totally a Thing when I was younger.
Not for measels, because we weren't braindead dumbfucks, but for chickenpox.
You'd have whole groups of kids get together to have everyone get sick at once, instead of one kid at a time for months and months as it spreads through classes at school.
IDK if it made sense, but it was legit a thing that people were doing.
Of course, there's a vaccine now, so if you're still doing this you're one of the aformentioned braindead dumbfucks.
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What a marvelously American headline.
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Chicken pox parties were a thing in the 70s and 80s. I think that’s before they had a vaccine? I don’t remember measles parties being a thing though.
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No shit, chicken pox is not particularly serious compared to fucking measles. These people are idiots
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I mean conservatives were advertising covid parties in 2020...
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In adults it's severe and can be life-threatening
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Measles was probably too dangerous to children, let alone adults will get a severe infection than children
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No offense but fuck Texas
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Texas is banning Gender Affirming Care FOR ADULTS, so yeah fuck Texas
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According to RFK, measle outbreaks are normal. Religion and bleach will save Deregulated Texas and if the shit spreads, the USA too.
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rfk jr brains just all worms controlling the body, hes just a husk.
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When I was growing up in India I believed that I was surrounded by the dumbest and most ignorant people on earth, then I moved to the US for a while and was surprised most people remembered to breathe.
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Don't worry, RFK is here to make everything better!
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If only there was some way to control measles. Oh well, wishful thinking i guess.
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You cannot control freedom freckles.
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And here I thought the pandemic craziness was an outlier
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Ya know when Conservatives died of Covid in massive numbers because they kept refusing to intentionally antagonize the people fighting Covid and every restriction put in place against it the only thing going through my head was
"I hope enough of them kicked the bucket to make Republicans unelectable so that tragedies like this can't happen again."
Guess what's going through my head now?
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I'm sad that it's children paying the price though. They don't have any say in anything. It's child abuse to intentionally infect them with a preventable disease.
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Measles? No no no, we're talking America here, you mean
Freedom Sores
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as vaccination rates plummet, freedom
soarssores
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Thinning the herd.
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Culling the herd
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JFC
Close but its more of a RFK sorta thing (really just as much of an exclamation)
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When these parents go to purgatory, I hope their long dead children greet them, "Why did you let me die?", just before final judgment is passed.
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Stupid is as stupid does.
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Something something South Park, something something Ookie Mouth.
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Fuck Texas, its politicians and its stupid parents.
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Try and control those rabidly ignorant bigots you force-fed with anti-science, anti-reason raw red meat, let's see how that goes.
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i mean i'm not stupid enough to try this, but measles has an potential immune system reset component to it, right? could it possibly be beneficial to people with autoimmune diseases to catch the measles and reset their autoimmune response, and hopefully be able to avoid their triggers in the future?
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At this point my biggest hope for the Trump administration is for some "Happy Accidents" that wouldnt happen in a safety oriented world. We might make some really cool discoveries that we otherwise wouldnt make because so much wild shit is going to happen that statistically speaking some of them have to be positive.
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Probably not, there no telling what your immune system will do with autoimmune disease and an infection. Also viruses and bacteria are known to trigger autoimmune diseases. Strep A can trigger arthritis, flu. Some parasites are known to modulate immune system so it less autoimmune attacks, but it's not approved, since parasites are unpredictable. I believe there's studies between hookworms and allergies or certain autoimmune, but same cannot be said for parasite like ascaris, which will trigger asthma . It's also important to know parasites have to be alive, they secrete some kind of chemical so your immune system doesn't attack it, hence why it also is a correlation between autoimmune diseases. But when a parasite dies your immune system can go into overdrivem
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since you apparently know everything, show me the study on measles and autoimmune diseases thanks
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Twenty thousand tons of ivermectin to Texas. Stat! That'll fix everything!
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mortality rate of 3% for unvaccinated kids.
gonna be a lot of depression-era grieving going on.
as always the price is paid by those without a choice
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People focus on mortality too while failing to account for the sorts of lifelong disabilities viruses like these cause when you do survive them. Absolutely sickening.
the lifelong disabilities will be awful
On the topic on non-mortal cases, this CDC page says the hospitalization rate for 2025 has been 20% (30% for <5 year olds)
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/
Mmr and chickenpox both can cause Temporary infertility in men, if you catch it later. It because it causes inflammation in your tubes of the testes
3 percent of kids dead is a small price to pay for Texans to not have to reevaluate how they make decisions.
They’ll never stop defending their right to let others die for their obstinacy.
Measles wipes your immune system as well. You'll be having a miserable next decade or longer getting sick from everything again.
There was a Simpson episode, about Maggie getting chickenpox and Marge had to make sure Homer doesn't come close to her, since he never had it
Can't wait to see conservative morons saying "hurr durr 3% isn't even that high of a percent"