It really is like this

Inside me are two wolves

One thinks Chinese tech is cool and innovative

The other hates fascist dictatorships

*both of the wolves are gay

Those are really Based wolves. Can I borrow them?
You may or may not think China is "authoritarian" but how on earth are they fascist?
- Tradition is big. E.g TCM crap over science
  You cannot disagree with the state
  Stokes fear and hatred of outsiders
  Blames social frustrations on those outsiders
  Appeals to restore past glory
  Han ethnic supremacy
  You could go through all of Eco’s points and apply them to China pretty fittingly.
- Not agreeing with your dictator makes it impossible to leave the country, keeps your bloodline out of good schools, and if your rhetoric is bad enough you just get abducted and dissappear.
  Social Credit Scores are dehumanizing and evil.
  Pretty fascist if you ask me.
- I think many might reference the Uyghur genocide + extreme authoritarianism to explain why they call China fascist. I personally, am not educated on the persecution of the Uyghur genocide part, so I'm not so sure.
  But China definitely has hints of nationalism and "former glory" or whatever when they start talking about Taiwan and the South China Sea. Sooo ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
China isn’t fascist though? They are just a shitty authoritarian state.
Uwu
You might want to go to the doctor
Hello, I'm the other wolf
Accurate

There really is no justification to simp for any country/government. They are all pretty terrible and genocidal.

Nationalism, and especially jingoism, are very dangerous indeed.
- Name a government that’s not terrible and I’ll find you some articles showing the state being terrible.
  Statism is unjust.

Living in a sanctuary city, plenty of people around me are Chinese. I’ve also been enjoying the current state of Chinese gaming. Of course…I play those games on devices I can sandbox.

Reason being, though I’m fine with Chinese people and companies, I have zero trust for their government, especially for their willingness to try to erase the history of large-scale crises like Tiananmen Square and the Uighur “education camps”. No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.

Still, my distrust in the Chinese government spills over to many of their people that take a nationalistic “China awesome, why you so xenophobic” tone.

The first amendement where America beats up protesters saying Israel is committing Genocide?
You don't understand! Critising the actions of the ccp is sinophobic!!!!
Sounds like you’ve absorbed a lot of propaganda. Especially since you’re bringing up the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur genocide claims, both of which have been debunked or retracted.
- Found the Tankie
- You're the person they're talking about.
- Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a cupcake recipe.
- I don't understand, are you saying that Tiananmen Sqare is faked? Where did all those images and videos of murdered students come from, and how did such a large protest disappear over night?
  I'm genuinely curious to understand.
No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.
Trump is gonna have another go at it. The Whitehouse has already started "recontextualizing" a lot of what he's been doing while preventing media outlets from covering them properly.

these are the reasons I think this happens:

their numerous accusations of spyware
their government being fucked up (especially their censorship)
being known for making a lot of mass-produced garbage for cheap
the working conditions in those factories being horrible
regular racism (which may be caused by the above)

edit: reworked comment into bulleted list instead of run-on sentence

their government being fucked up (especially their censorship)
I would love to discuss this with anyone that's willing. If their government is as awful and fucked up as everyone says why does the average Chinese citizen generally have a better life than the average American in their respective societal totem pole (in cities specifically) ?
They have far more purchasing power for food, rent. Their healthcare is affordable. While censorship is a thing towards certain topics, there certainly isn't a lack of discussion. They have far better public transit systems, far more parks, and public utilities, absolute ownership (no property tax).
To me it seems we're continuously demonizing the lives of those we don't understand who are actually far better off than most of us in the states.
- I lived and worked outside Shanghai for a bit, but it was a while ago and probably has changed a good bit. What makes you think their lives are far better off than those in the states?
  Not necessarily disagreeing, but it absolutely was not the case 15 years ago. American life is on a downhill though, zero argument there.
- Quite frankly, I think you're failing to see that a major part of American culture, a literal founding principle, is "live free or die". Americans are obviously not going to take that censorship as just a small downside.
  Quality of life is less important than freedom.
  absolute ownership (no property tax).
  This is also just a lie. They don't own land.
- I would love to discuss this with anyone that’s willing. If their government is as awful and fucked up as everyone says why does the average Chinese citizen generally have a better life than the average American in their respective societal totem pole (in cities specifically) ?
  Because the social contract of 21st century authoritarian societies is "We give you prosperity, you do politics through gov-approved channels." Punishment for dissent depends on how insecure the state feels right now.
  On the plus side, the government cares about your prosperity. As long as it lasts, elites can divide power among themselves however they like.
  On the minus -- society doesn't control its government (power transition happens by committee, not elections) and it can't force any kind of change when elites are against it. Modern states have so much repression power, they can shut down any activism when they don't mind bloodstains.
  And when prosperity ends, the new contract will be "Do as we say and nobody gets tortured".

As an ethnic chinese in South East Asia, there's two kind of chinese i've met, "China is the best country in the world! CCP is the best because they take good care of all the chinese everywhere! Everything about that country is good!" and "China is the worst country in the world! CCP is the worst because they censor everything and lie about everything! Everything about that country is dogshit!", rarely in between.

- For what it's worth, you're not alone. I think I'm going with the whole, "I must outlive my enemies" ideology for coping, because fuck it. But it's always refreshing to hear from like-minded people, when sometimes I feel so helpless to change anything. Ignorance has run rampant, but at least I know there's friends all over the world
- It sounds to me like your parents are engaging with nuance in a complicated world, rather than boiling everything down to either "this is good" or "this is bad".
  ETA: You're welcome to downvote me, I don't mind, the points don't matter. But I prefer discussion. Tell me why I'm wrong so we can have a conversation!
- If it helps in any way, every country in the world has their set if problems, but in essence it evolves around the fact that many/most people are incapable of realising they were wrong and change their behaviour and voting.
  One of Germany's issues for example is that while industrialization has made the country prosperous it also made it demitral to the environment. Those that lived in the golden times and worked for it naturally don't want to miss out their hard-earned pensions. However the younger generations have to work even harder to finance their pensions as they make up much of the population. Meanwhile the world's environment is fucked and we need to swiftly transform the country which is expensive all the while dealing with rising nationalism in the world slowly rising in heat and already discharging into war around european neighbourhood. And yet the same lucky generations are calling us weak and lazy, but insist on voting parties that don't have any tiny ounce of interest to work to deal with the problems we face and actually oppose working towards an actual solution.
  So yeah, i am honestly quite hopeless for the future myself, but I force myself to at least try to change it - I mean sticking our heads in the sand only helps the assholes doesn't it?
Sounds a lot like my experience with Americans re: their government.
I guess propaganda can be pretty insidious.
The most common I see is "I love China and their culture is neat, but their government is evil".

The racism in Japan isn’t outward, they keep it to themselves. You wouldn’t even notice it if you went there as a tourist, since they stay polite. The “no gaijin allowed” places are rare unless you want to visit a certain type of establishment 😉 Japan has systemic racism against ethnic Chinese citizens, but the average Japanese person isn’t really racist to Chinese people and if they are it’s from ignorance rather than hatred. Japan is one of the top foreign destinations for tourists from China. It wouldn’t be if Chinese people weren’t welcome.
You’d have a tougher time in South Korea. Where they actually say racist shit to your face.
This is an interesting take. I've been to Japan as a tourist once, and I can tell it was probably one of my best trips I've ever made (the sheer amount of novelty and getting around the people was really cool), and I can attest the people were very nice to me. But I can also tell, if I was part of the work force, the sentiment would be different. I did never see signs against Chinese people anywhere BTW.
As for the "China bad" part. Check how people brigade on shitter to "cancel people out" (very definition of cancel culture) and you quickly see that some people LOVE the mob mentality. This is also what is going on people going after stuff such as dji for no reason (but I will say straight up, I am not sure if I would trust network equipment easily. Same for me actually applies to cisco as well)
- The mob mentality part and the self-justice and eye-for-an-eye-mentality is something I, as a European, find quite appalling. Not only in the Chinese but (South-) Korean culture as well. Granted I barely know more about their respective cultures than you can see from their exported tv-shows and other media. Frankly even "Squid games" made me sick at times. And the way some Korean novels and anime praise acts of completely over the top acts of revenge is not something I can identify with. However there seem to be more similarities between both countries than they care to admit.
  On another note, has anyone watched the sequel to Initial D? Holy fucking hell, the damn nationalism is way too obvious
Recently, the new Indiana Jones game highlighted Japan’s aerial bombardment of Shanghai before WW2. It was a nice reminder to me that Japan is hardly an innocent nation, no matter how much they’re praised for today.
The Yakuza games also have some pretty good focus on how they treat the homeless, including demographics of Chinese and Korean immigrants that get marginalized.
The electronics bit is where I’m concerned, in part because their aggression is not limited to government, but also private citizens. They’ve previously attempted to repatriate immigrants via coercion and forced abductions.

As a Canadian: fuck American products. Y'all want a trade war with us, fuck your shit.

All that to say, it's understandable to be angry at and suspicious of products made by antagonistic nations.

As a Venezuelan,Yeah!! fuck both, the US and China! 🔥🔥
- As an American, i'm forced to concur. I wish it weren't so.
Y’all want a trade war with us
We really don't. Even by America-is-racist standards, we've historically only been pissy about Mexico. Tariffing Canada used to be a punchline to political jokes.
I don't want a trade war. I love Canada. Most Americans on Lemmy didn't vote for Trump you know?
- It was hyperbolic.
Life in Canada is about to get super hard. Seriously fuck the US.
Canada exists because the united states exist. You produce no products of mention. Geographically, canada is a research colony. US is still a slave colony.
- without canadian raw materials, US can't build basically anything
  all the rare metals and minerals are mined up here
- Wat
- Wheat is a pretty big export from Canada. Over $8B per year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exports_of_Canada

It's just another cold war, history books will discuss it as such.

Exactly 👏👏

Ehh i dont like the obsession with one of the most racist and xenophobic countries today, even tho i know its not why they like japan.

I really don't care how much the US complains about Chinese nationalism when they pull the same crap in practically every 3rd world country for the sake of holding power.

There's a reason why so many 3rd world immigrants in the US feel unfazed by Trump because they essentially grew up in some Washington backed imperialist government which was way worse, hence the reason they emigrated.

They understand that neither country is some beacon of hope, they're just two big competitors that keep each other somewhat in check. The tradeoff you get for joining the US is freedom of expression and representation (mostly) and the tradeoff you get for joining China is faster upward momentum and social stability (mostly). Its better to have at least two choices instead of one which in reality would be none.

Yes there will always be sketchy things you probably shouldn't touch, but we're really out here defending internet censorship over TikTok as if the NSA doesn't have 2/3rd of the modern world permanently bugged.

40 or so years ago, the hip ingrained racism was being scared that the Japanese would take over everything. That caused cyberpunk to have cool japanese aesthetics and in turn influenced media like Akira. I just hope today's racism at least also ends up looking cool.

I literally just watched a video essay about The Thing and this made me laugh.

I literally just lost some language and mathematics by reading your comment.
- Care to elaborate?

the only thing I've noticed that people care more about a Chinese thing is a Russian thing.

https://lemmy.world/post/24869932

What? Don't you see people flocking to TikTok? RedNote? And now deepseek?

I used to wonder how Japanese media was so bad compared to their neighbours (storytelling wise) then I started watching Thai programmes and Japanese could definitely be worse

Ever seen the Chinese localization of Tom and Jerry? They voice over everything and add a ton of sound effects so there's no confusion. Politics aside, who is exactly are they protecting by banning zombies and ghosts. Well, they can have zombies, but not too gory and they can't call them zombies.
I like Thunderbolt Fantasy, so I should like Pili Fantasy(Taiwan), but it's way too much soap opera. Thunderbolt is a nice balance between something new and the pacing of a 12 episode anime.
South Korean stuff bothers me. They haven't become disillusioned capitalism yet, so the subtext misses for me. I can't tell what the point of Tower of God is. The harem stuff they put out puts Japan to shame.
- South Korean stuff bothers me. They haven't become disillusioned capitalism yet
  What did you think of the episode of Squid game where everyone escapes the evil death games, and then realises that they actually like the evil death games better than normal capitalism?

It do be like that with manga/manhua tbh. I still prefer Korean webcomics because I like my trash but... It's been ages since I read a decent Chinese webcomic or manhua. They are so fucking trash. I'm sure there are some good ones but... Yeah.

Chinese yuri and yaoi goes hard but most of the good ones are webnovels. Heavenly officials blessing has a chinese anime adaptation tho.
Chinese studios going on to make the most misogynistic shit I've seen
- I don't want to generalise but... Yeah... That's a big reason why a lot of manhuas just suck.
Chinese studios on their way to create yet another Wuxia donghua
- That's the problem, I love wuxia, I love stupid power levels and all that, I love my trash comics. It's the story they tell alongside that that irks me to no end.
  Close to zero decent dialogue between people besides shitty villains talking big until the hero flips his eyelash and suddenly everyone is bowing to them. There's no interesting characters, no banter.
  To give some examples of wuxia done right (I like the top batch more but the other ones are alright):
  Return of the mount hua sect Infinite levelling: murim Return of the crazy demon Nano machine Absolute sword sense Star instructor or something
  I reincarnated as the crazed heir Path of the shaman
  Half wuxia: Murim login
  All of these have a mc with personality, there's decent banter between characters, there's an interesting plot, plot changes make sense...
  There's also the "dungeon" theme with portals that grew in popularity since solo levelling (around then) that is basically the same trash plot with another power level vector.
MC: looks at a dude
Dude: YOU HAVE DISRESPECTED ME AND MY FAMILY YOU ARE COURTING DEATH
MC: obliterates dude and his entire family (women and children included)

Wow, that makes no point. Neat.

What about iThing ?

If you ask me, I would explode out of anger; but I think others... would also explode, but out of euphoria.

You're gonna lose it op when you find out how many big video games are owned (wholey or partly) by tencent

I... Already know, and I didn't lose anything (though, they mostly only buy actions and companies, Which is a "thing" Microsoft also does).