Yeah, it never occurred to anyone ever to stick their tongues in each others mouths until it was documented in ancient India.
Anon didn't say that it started in ancient India, just that the fact that it happened in ancient India proves that it didn't start in France
We generally attribute discoveries to whoever documented it first. It's almost laughable to attribute it to the French based on a kissing style that was widespread there in 1923. Surely people were doing it before then. Yet, the Americans and British found it so unique they referred to it as French kissing.
Perhaps it was common before ancient India, but then the question is, why didn't the ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, Chinese, Romans, and Greek document on it then?
That's the thing. France and Belgium call french fries "frites" and "frieten", which just translates to "fries". It's other cultures that gave them (wrong) names because of how they got to know them.
Arabic numerals came to Europe from India via Arabia. The Sine function does too, but it's name is garbled and doesn't mean anything.
Venetian blinds came from Persia via Venice.
Spanish Flu was everywhere, but everyone at the time was lying about it due to being at war, except for Spain.
Many First Nations peoples are known by what other peoples called them (often pejorative names) rather than their name for themselves.
Words usually aren't authoritative declarations of truth, but rather snapshots of what was a useful distinction to someone somewhere a some time. Did the French think their style of kissing was a unique cultural phenomenon? Will Skibidi be known about in 500 years? No one documents graffiti, was it "discovered" by Pompeii?
We live in a truely unique age, where nearly any question can have a relavent answer of some kind in moments. We can see people streaming everyday things from around the globe, or find the best research about what we know about ancient people's daily lives. Is any of this worth carving into a monument though? How many copies of an archeological journal are going to survive the ages vs copies of Game of Thrones? I'd say there are countless things about our lives we think are special to today that even prehistoric people did, it just isn't notable enought to build monuments to or copy manuscripts of.
We barely document how we wipe our asses or shower because it's such a mundane, day to day thing.
Writing was limited, so I hypothesize that people would focus on important things like tax collections, kingly births or even that cunt Ea-Nasir. Less so on kissing or things they would find mundane.
- French fries might be from Paris where it was sold on the Pont Neuf in 1780.. They are called frite so no claim of national dish.
- French press was first patented in 1852 in France. Again it just called cafetière à piston so piston coffee machine.
- Idk from where it is from but again we just call it pain perdu which translate to lost bread because it is a good recipe for old bread you forgot in the kitchen.
- Last one is the normal kiss here and fun fact a kiss with the mouth close is called a smack
So yeah why does the american/english don't do more research about origins and call everything french ?
It's because deep frying was not very common in the U.S. Immersion in hot fat was considered a French style of cooking, so they're French style fried potatoes. I think "fries" instead of "frieds" is dialect that caught on nationally in the U.S. in the 70s.
The French deserve some respect. If you want to know what a true strike or protest looks like, look to the French.
Even today, they just don't give a fuck about rules.
In Southern France there are speed cameras being set up everywhere, and they'll catch you for being even a few km's over. The locals (mostly rural) have responded by either torching them, encasing them in hay bales, painting over them, or chopping them down. The police keep putting them up, alongside cameras to watch the cameras, and the locals keep destroying them overnight.
Fortunately my area doesn't allow this nonsense, but I'd totally be down for some infrastructure vandalism if they ever try.
Also true in the west, where I am, so I presume the same all over France.
More and more these days French disrespect feels like boomer shit. Look what the French did when the government came for their pensions. The industrial action within the transport sector alone.
I was visiting Paris during some of the aforementioned protest. They’re out and about (in numbers) and will gladly get out to protest when they feel it necessary. Plenty of other western countries could learn, a lot, from the French people.
A lot of it now goes back to the Iraq war, when France refused to join the Coalition of the Willing and invade. Nearly constant derision of the French in the media for a decade will do that to people.
Did you see the yellow jackets marching with their rolling barbecue fitted on the city’s tram line? Magnificent bastards.
The important thing is to burn lots of people's cars. Probably locals who are also protesting.
That's how you really get the attention of the authorities.
Tout est politique- les voitures aussi
In France, but also Belgium and the Netherlands, you have a very malcontent population of 2nd or 3rd generation offspring (mostly male) of migrants who feel left out by the system and take any opportunity to cause chaos. It are these kids who set cars alight, not the protestors.
Often when there is a truly large protest, they are there to "fight against the system" by getting into fights with the police and burning cars and just causing overall mayhem.
> Britain was founded by the French
Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon? The son of an Irish immigrant? He’s not the kind of guy who’d let facts get in the way of an opinion so we’re probably pretty solid saying that in front of him. If he did run his mouth, then I got your back, blud.
Britain is the land mass that includes England, Wales, and Scotland.
William the Conquerer was the first Norman king of England and never had power over Wales and he was mostly successful in gaining homage from King Malcolm III, but never king over the lands.
Edward I about two hundred years later almost pulls it off, but doesn't quite get a firm grip on Scotland. James I in the early 17th century holds the crown for each of the lands. In 1707 they formalize the relationship with a treaty.
So... No the French did not found Britain.
The Anglos, Saxons, and Jutes were all tribes from what we'd call Germany. The Romans paved the first roads of London, and taught the Pagans about Jesus. And Rome was cosmopolitan, so it was a lot more than Italians in that army. England has also suffered under Danish/Scandinavian conquests small and large. The King Cnut was not a misspelling. His nephew, William is a Scandinavian settled in France.
So... as far as "blood and soil" goes, Britain, and her people, were always more of a group project.
Also Normans were descendants of viking settlers. So French didn't technically fund England either (yes, I'm being pedantic for the sake of the joke).
You could, however, accurately say that a French family founded the modern British monarchy. That much is still true. The UK royal family can still trace its lineage directly to William the Conqueror.
The Normans were Vikings - the then Frankish King, Charles, gave them land in north France if they agreed to shut the fuck up and stop murdering everyone in sight. They become known as 'Northmen' which contracted to 'Norsemen' which contracted to 'Norman'.
Nobody in France calls French fries or French toast "French". We're definitely happy to attribute the fries to our Belgian friends and nobody thinks something as ubiquitous as toasts could have a single inventor. I think those are Anglo-Saxon cultural elements.
Also here we call it "cafetière à piston" not french press.
No we are not attributing fries to the Belgian, fries are french. The Belgian improved on our invention and make the best fries, but Frenchs invented it.
Content warning, a lot of french: https://www.musee-gourmandise.be/fr/musee-gourmandise/articles-de-fond?view=article&id=132:la-veritable-histoire-de-la-frite&catid=77:articles-fond
The article states hypothesis and guesses, it doesn't seem to provide a definitive answer.
Its conclusion, machine translated:
In the first two chapters, we talked about the unlikely birth of the deep-fried potato, the result of a marriage between the potato, a popular vegetable par excellence, and cooking in a fat bath, reserved for high society. Where could this marriage have taken place? In a well-to-do kitchen with a fine frying pan? Impossible, as we saw earlier. Potatoes have no place there. In the home of the poor potato-eating bastard? Impossible too. They don't have enough fat.
Isn't the answer to this question to be found in the streets of Paris, where in the 18th century, itinerant merchants carried their frying pans filled with dubious grease, into which they plunged meats and vegetables smeared with doughnut batter? Or is it to be found in a rotisserie with more extensive equipment? It's a tempting hypothesis. As we know, the fried potato has spread through commerce. Wasn't it born there? Is it not a purely commercial product? The inventor of the French fried potato will probably always remain anonymous, but we can guess his trade: a merchant. We can also guess his origin: Parisian.
Pierre Leclercq
March 2009 - December 2010
As a Belgian, this is my position as well. Fries is part of the Belgian culinary culture, but it's chauvinism to claim they were invented in Belgium.
Like the espresso, invented by the French (express or exprés? nobody knows which one it was, but making 1 little cup at a time was new and fast), then the Italians improved it, especially with gruppo 61, group head 61. Now they have the best coffee 😔
FIY: French toast is the english name for pain perdu.
Also probably not "invented" by the French, but no one thinks they invented simple toast.
Just have to triple check whether French revolution occured in French.
Which gives rise to the true founding father of Germany. Napoleon.
Without his restructuring of the HRE for management it would be even harder to unify later.
Questionable: the 2023 movie Napoleon is entirely British and American actors. It is historically accurate. 🤔
Let's go on strike
French Revolutions.
A full revolution takes you back to where you started.
Also, cinema was invented by the French. Kind of cool IMO.
Also, cinema was invented by the French. Kind of cool IMO.
And then reinvented (with the Nouvelle Vague that went against "the Hollywood way" and largely contributed to revitalizing the entire industry)
French catheter
This is not the French claiming ownership of stuff, this is shitty naming on the part of Americans who thinks all european food is from France. Or who really wouldn't know the difference between Europe and France to begin with.
The most elegant and refined food, fries.
To save anyone else the wiki trip
“Some authors consider the recipe for Aliter Dulcia (translated as 'Another sweet dish') included in the Apicius, a 1st-century CE Ancient Roman cuisine cookbook, "not very different" from modern French toast, although it does not involve eggs.[10][11]
In Le Viandier, culinary cookbook written around 1300, the French chef Guillaume Taillevent presented a recipe for tostées dorées[12] involving eggs and sugar.[13]”
"We invented democracy, existentialism, and the ménage à trois."
"Oh man... Those are three pretty good things."
Well, technically the French did not found Britain - they were Normans.
Who were the Normans? They were Scandinavian vikings who had been raiding France for decades. Eventually the French king decided to offer them lands (now called Normandy) in France if they promised to stop raiding and instead protect the French coast.
Meh, this is largely a debate over semantics since the mere notion of a "French people" wouldn't have made sense at the time. "Frenchness" isn't an ethnicity, it's a mix of many different peoples that mixed and intertwined over the years (celts, romans, germanic tribes, immigrants from all over Europe...) and that eventually were all brought together as subjects of the french kingdom.
Normans weren't "french" in the modern sense of the word, but then again very few people in what would later become modern France would have at that time : they all would have considered themselves "Provençal", or "Breton", or "Lorrain" who just happened to live in a Duchy that swore fealty to the king of France.
All things considered, William the Conqueror was a lord of the french kingdom, swore fealty to the king of France and spoke French, so he was no less (but no more, granted) French than any other of his peers. Whether you want to call him french is up to you but is largely an anachronism
Normans were in France since at least 3 generation before the britain invasion. So they were clearly french culturally and they were fully merged with the locals genettically. Also the invading army had troops from nearby french region like Brittany or Anjou.
Sounds like all those others want to be French.
Je ne suis pas Francais, but I want to be!
It's funny how France created all its neighbours! Britain, Russia, Italy, Spain! And proceeded to go into mortal wars with most of them!
Britain yet again something they just tacked onto near the end being Italian,German and Scandinavian before hand.
