Taiwan reports second large-scale China air force incursion this week
Taiwan reports second large-scale China air force incursion this week

Taiwan reports second large-scale China air force incursion this week

Taiwan reports second large-scale China air force incursion this week
Taiwan reports second large-scale China air force incursion this week
okay guys , so since this hole federation stuff your Pro Imperial Wrong Takes comes my way , it must be corrected ..
this is Taiwans Air Identification Zone
it is a Bullshit leftover that spans so vast over china that it simply can not be not violated ,.. theirby producing the most wonderfull "Permanent - Saturaton - Propaganda" of China Bad Bakround noise for the Imperial core audience in their Echo Chambers .PS: this is where real Journalist go in the west , when they start beeing critical of non approved subjects.
"Good thing propaganda only ever happens to other people"
withdrawing support for Taiwan in the still-distant future.
They're going to tip the Republic of China in to the ocean as soon as they've stolen all of TSCM's productive capacity. That's all this was ever about. They're building chip fabs in Arizona right now. As soon as the US can produce it's own Chips the RoC is... going to go right back to tense but peaceful relations with the mainland like they had before DC started waving it's grand imperial [redacted] around.
"HMP Isis" is certainly... a name.
Is this that stupid shit where their air defense zone covers a huge chunk of mainland China and they freak out every time China flies Chinese planes over China?
It sure is!
If you actually read the article,
Of those aircraft, the ministry said 10 had either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait, which previously served as an unofficial barrier between the two sides, or entered the southwestern part of Taiwan's air defence identification zone, or ADIZ.
you would find that 10 aircrafts either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait or entered the southwestern part of the ADIZ. Neither of those is "flying over mainland China."
You realize the identification zone is not the same as airspace right?
"Ten Chinese air force aircraft entered Taiwan's air defence zone on Wednesday"
The article says ADIZ, not airspace.
How can China violate its own airspace?
Fuck the CCP
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My dude calls people statists but then also cites death tolls spouted by the US State department on Mao's casualties is a level of mental gymnastics that may finally dethrone the Maga morons.
I'm sure there's some explanation for how Mao killed 100,000,000 people but somehow the population of China went up and the life expectancy doubled under him. It can't be because the US stat dept. exaggerated the deaths by an exponent tho.
这个老外真过瘾,哈哈
we need a victims of capitalism death toll that counts people who weren't born in the total.
China is fascist now, they can go on calling themselves communist in a vain attempt to have something resembling legitimacy. But any fool knows that when the ruling party is full of billionaires, that's no communist system.
They Chinese people are a great people and deserve a better government than the fascist regime lead by Winnie Xi Pooh.
So it begins. The great Redditification of our time
so brave
IDK dude that's a lot of sex
Fuck the USA.
This is an obviously misleading article title.
400+ comments
ha ha yes
I was hesitant about federation at first but this is great.
Been telling y'all the past couple weeks lol
Lots of suspicious comments in this thread. Seems like political astro-turfing has already arrived on Lemmy
You are so far right that you call anything and everything to your left astroturfing. You've been in a bubble for so long that it's a culture shock when you meet actual leftists.
Oh, yes. Actual leftists that somehow support every action of a particular nation. Actual leftists who don't mind government control of information and gives incentives for supporting them publicly. Actual leftists that are ok with some people being removed from society because of the groups they belong to. Yep, totally sounds like actual leftists to me...
China is not leftist
You’ve been in a bubble
Yeah because when all these "lefts" come from seemingly one instance (maybe two) they are totally not "living in a bubble" on their own.
Expressing how you feel about China is fine. Calling someone else a "paranoid weirdo" is not. That's just plain rude and disrespectful.
Edit: I feel like I should make it extra clear that I am not defending myself because several people think that I'm whining for myself. The one called a "paranoid weirdo" was not me.
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it.
Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least.
When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense.
no more half measures walter
A specter haunts the Lemmyverse. The specter of differing opinions 😱😱😱
The specter of Hexbear
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it's just liberalism. it permeates the very air we breath.
Unlike Reddit, where the news pieces and opinions that are the most prominently featured are not influenced in any way, shape, or form by powerful institutions who want to push an agenda
Lots of these people were on lemmy long before you showed up. Maybe you've just been sheltered from the real posters of Lemmy.
The irony of someone whose baseline for opinion making was
leaving that place and feeling all of a sudden as if the discussion is being manipulatedUnfortunately they're probably real people. Most of Lemmy was full of tankies before the reddit migration so any post involving China or Russia brings them out in force.
Excuse you, Lemmygrad is Hexbear-lite
communists are able to see weak lies like these, shocking! WowWEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Possibly, I didn't look where they're all from, nor do I know what hexbear is or why it's significant. Sounds like some kind of intra-Lemmy drama which I'm not too interested in. Just noticed a fair amount, lets say........not totally organic, seemingly agenda pushing comments.
Edit: Forget my previous comment. I now see the problem with Hexbear.
(when there are political views i disagree with) hmm, seems like theres some astroturfing going on
I know right! How come there are so, so many people defending China here? I thought they were the minority. Ugh. When I was back on Reddit comments like those would always be downvoted to hell.
If you can't cope with people with different political beliefs to you being allowed to post, maybe you should go back to reddit.
When I was back on Reddit comments like those would always be downvoted to hell.
It might be worth keeping in mind that Reddit has, for several years now, biased its moderation policy against the sort of voices who would object to OP, creating a neoliberal echochamber across most of the website.
you left a Astro Turfed , hardcore censored Faschist Imperialistic Place that spends its time telling you US lies about its enemies .. things are Diffrent when you leave your hole , because You changed location , you now meet "non Rediitors" and Communist and all else thats forbidden on Reddit... , thereby you are Accuring an new Perspective ..
If its Scary for you then you need to run back where you came from .. where the Yellow Peril rules ..
Ugh. When I was back on Reddit comments like those would always be downvoted to hell.
The issue is there are a much higher percentage here because brigading wasn't allowed on reddit so they'd be banned for this type of activity. They come here and can do what they want, which is fine as long as it doesn't hurt other people doing what they want, which in this case is arguably happening because it clutters the comments with the same thing repeated over and over, and they are organized so it's all up voted. This doesn't make them the majority opinion though. It makes them the organized opinion. They are not the majority by any means, but they will make sure to come to China's defence whenever it's mentioned, where others won't bother.
I was curious what you were talking about as there are only 10 comments through Beehaw so I checked out the original. It's overwhelmingly coming from hexbear.net which we've defederated from.
Yea, it feels like 4chan suddenly saw the light and then turned far-left all at once. They act like what the far right imagines the left to be like, but just looks like really bad anti-leftist propaganda, or they're just tankies :/ some hexbears are ok, though, but most here are just discrediting themselves by throwing the propaganda handbook at the passersby.
We keep throwing books at you because we desperately wish you'd read.
They act like what the far right imagines the left to be like
Good, they should be terrified.
Yea, it feels like 4chan suddenly saw the light and then turned far-left all at once
Exactly this. They're running around spewing barely-sensical insults acting like they're dunking on people, but all their really doing is turning off anyone who was ever possibly sympathetic to their cause. And are completely un-informed on top of that
China is the high-water mark of human governance!!
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Its time to roll out the tanks
600 comments!
484 now
394 from the perspective of Hexbear. The pre-emptive lemmy.world defederation with Hexbear effectively splits big threads like this into two sections. At the top is the much higher activity Hexbear posting, and at the bottom is the lower activity lemmy.world posting where instead of substantive discussion, people who are in support of China just get downvoted to oblivion.
Ironically, Hexbear's total removal of downvotes on their end confers an advantage here. Discussions and dunkings involving a lot of Hexbear users tend to rise to the top of threads sorted by hot because the lack of downvotes promotes actual discussion upon disagreement. This results in higher activity levels than those produced by the passive downvoting behavior typical of more reddit-like instances.
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trans comrade reporting for duty, time to make stalin look like a liberal
Hey! You write those degoogle guides right? Thank you! They are very helpful.
Good lord; I can understand why someone might find Hexbear annoying, but that is much worse.
2d8 psychic damage
Liberals are Illithids.
They blame the echo chambers and the lack of critical thinking while parroting propaganda, never hearing the others side arguments and calling china an Imperialist dictatorship, if you call their hypocrisy you are a bot, if you point at who is bombing under developed countries they just say there has always been war. The only good thing I see is that the USA is canibalizing itself with this behaviour.
Echo chamber is when you get bullied for imperialist talking points, lack of critical thinking is lack of pro-america/pro-NATO propaganda.
Looks quite clean
Goddammit, I do NOT want us to be propping up a war in Ukraine and fighting an actual war with China.
I believe State is keen on Ukraine (and maybe both), but the Pentagon is against the war in Ukraine because they want to shore up efforts to contain China.
Kissinger and other realists are no doubt bashing their heads against desks because the masterstroke of the US foreign policy in the 60s and 70s was to support the Sino-Soviet split and ensure that China and Russia don't ever find themselves with common goals.
I wonder if we'd drop Ukraine if WWIII was starting. On the one hand, it's WWIII, on the other hand maybe Russia is still a likely enemy?
in what world would anyone side with the US over china and russia
The US is really only providing enough support to stall Russia and use up Ukrainian and Russian forces
The real question is the commitment of US allies that have already provided materiel support for Ukraine.
If it were WW3, the nukes would be flying and everyone in the northern hemisphere will be dead from famine in a year or two.
I assume NATO would officially swoop in and bomb the everliving fuck out of Russia's fleet and fortified positions before diverting their attention elsewhere. Basically giving Ukraine a much easier path forward.
Nobody wants to have to defend free and sovereign nations such as Ukraine and Taiwan from agressive expansionist foreign powers like China and Russia. But here we are.
LETS GOOOOOOOOOO LONG LIVE THE PRC WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ONE CHINA
BEST CHINAWhat the fuck? Why are we endorsing fascist state capitalists?
They're obviously not fascist, and you'd know that if you were being honest about it and bothered educating yourself both on what fascism is, and on the realities of the PRC.
Also, it's not "state capitalism". They do use a market economy in addition to a planned economy, as part of the overall socialist economic system. It's not a binary either-or; using a market economy doesn't mean it's capitalism, and planned economy (intervention) doesn't mean it's socialism. They're structural terms, and relate to purpose: capitalism's purpose is to maximally extract profit and concentrate wealth; socialism's purpose is to better the lives (materially and culturally) of its people. China, as a socialist system, takes advantage of the benefits that a market economy can offer (efficiency, competition, resource allocation, demand and pricing signals) but doesn't use it to extract and concentrate wealth: instead, it uses the net benefits of the market economy to benefit the people. Similarly, a purely planned economy can be very stable and fair but is prone to stagnation and slow progress. By using both systems simultaneously, taking the relative advantages of each, China is able to benefit from efficiency and stability. There's also no pure free market economy: every capitalist economy has degrees of government intervention (another name for planned economy), especially in times of crises.
Chinese air force aircrafts entered Chinese air space?
China's jets ended up in Chinese airspace lmao
lmao hexbear incels trying hard here
They say they're not getting paid, and with arguments like theirs I actually believe them
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Taiwan, which China claims as its territory, has repeatedly complained of Chinese military activity near it over the past three years, as Beijing steps up pressure to try to force the island to accept its sovereignty.
Taiwan's defence ministry said that starting at around 9 a.m. (0100 GMT), it detected a total of 25 Chinese aircraft engaging in operations out at sea, including J-10 and J-16 fighters, as well as H-6 bombers.
The ADIZ is a broad area Taiwan monitors and patrols to give its forces more time to respond to threats, and Chinese aircraft have not entered territorial Taiwanese air space.
China staged war games around Taiwan in April after President Tsai Ing-wen returned home from a visit to the United States where she met U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
Taiwan Vice President William Lai leaves for the United States this week on his way to Paraguay on what is officially only a transit but which has angered China.
Taiwan's democratically elected government rejects China's sovereignty claim and says only the island's people can decide their future.
I'm a bot and I'm open source!
It's matter of time before they anect it. Hopefully sooner than later.
Surprise surprise, Hexbear users came to brigade other instances exactly the way they said they would. Bad actors through and through.
What the fuck are you talking about this is at the top of /all/ and it's about a socialist country, of course socialists are here.
Feel free to point to the "brigade" organisation that exists, it's a figment of your imagination. Nobody is brigading anything by simply using the fucking site. Are you brigading by being here too then?
“brigade”
whatever you say dude, the post was on our feed
this isn't your home instance either
why do you have a right to be here that others lack?To be fair, it's not like there was any sort of coordination or plan. We've been complaining about how Lemmy's current active algorithm tends to promote these sort of comment-intensive, days-long threads before federation, and now a chunk of the fediverse gets to experience the fun of a patented Hexbear struggle session. Hopefully the Lemmy devs can tune the algorithm to discourage this sort of thread getting stuck in active which thereby encourages protracted struggle.
Surprise surprise, yet another nerd who doesn't understand how federation works.
How is it brigading when this is one of the top threads on active when browsing hexbear? How is it brigading at all when we can see posts from other instances naturally, without having to jump between them? This isn't reddit.
Surprise surprise, libs arrogantly assuming they're the default and pearl-clutching about being "brigaded" because they got exposed to ideas that don't fit the narrative they've swallowed, exactly the way they always do. Vapid, self-centered actors through and through.
ill let you in on a secret. the posters at hexbear are all machines. they are posting machines hooked up to typing machines hooked up to internet machines hooked up to lib machines (you). you eat their post. they are making their shitposts immanent with your brain. they do not organize, or brigade, for they are a body without organs, pure potential posting energy that is being excreted in excess where desired. shifting in and out, de/ reterritorializing the posting space. the coils of the shit serpent are far more complex than the borrows of the molehill. welcome to the society of hexbear.
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Weird. There’s a lot of anti China stories circulating this week. Like maybe they are trying to influence public opinion.
Tankie says what?
Just so you know, when you insult someone like that without explanation. You push them away from your position. I will now make it my mission to learn everything I can about tankies to prove you wrong. 😃
Hi, you should come back and look at the rest of the comments on this post. Apparently all of hexbear.net is pro-China
I find it more weird you brought that up honestly. News is News, post something else if you want more variety, nobody is stopping you.
China discovered that Lemmy exists and sent their bots here, it's so obvious! No thinking person would ever doubt Western media!!!111
(Not saying that one empire is better than the other, yadda yadda)
Yep, I’m a bot. Don’t think for myself at all. Just an NPC. How ‘bout we stop empiring?
What do you think the truth is, bro?
There's been both "China Best" and China being shady posts. We'll never know for sure in this age of fake information. Might be that they're trying to follow the Russia model.
Or maybe its because china is china... lol
Theres also more heat wave/clinate related news in the summer than in the spring
They are just showing us what non-imperialism looks like
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oh yeah, lots of internal economic pressure on the CCP as their property market comes CRASHING down.. Emperor Xi the Eternal needs a big distraction quick.. and he needs to be a bully, so that people think he's strong.. and bullying Taiwan is so easy for him..
what a big, brave, clever Winnie the Pooh
Holy shit this thread is a good example of why Lemmy is quite far from mainstream still. The army form one instance is strong here, quite fascinating and amusing to read.
Yeah what the fuck is going on here? The can't be legitimate users surely.
For those unfamiliar with the Air Defense Identification Zone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(Taiwan)
Not only does it include a lot of water that isn't part of the Strait, right off of China's coast, it also includes a portion of Mainland China a few times larger than Taiwan itself.
People like to talk like China is flying jets over Taipei City, but you can fly a plane from one city in Mainland China to another, only passing over land, and be in this zone. Mind you, I don't think Taiwan having this zone is bad -- countries generally should be aware of air traffic nearby -- but this is part of a long history of alarmist headlines by western media regarding what is often very uninteresting air traffic in the PRC.
So Chinese bots are on lemmy too now. You obviously didn't read the article - "Of those aircraft, the ministry said 10 had either crossed the median line of the Taiwan Strait, which previously served as an unofficial barrier between the two sides, or entered the southwestern part of Taiwan's air defence identification zone, or ADIZ."
In international relations, militaries have defined and at times unspoken rules of engagement. This was NOT routine flight over mainland China that you are making out to be, but was a clear breach of said protocols. Thus Taiwan sent its fighter jets to observe the Chinese military aircraft.
Amazing how comfortable you are being racist on a public forum.
Anyway, people should look at this map and take note of how far Taiwan's ADIZ extends into Fujian province of mainland China and the open ocean (which is the southwest corner the PRC's airplanes were supposedly encroaching on). These articles are obviously published to make China seem more aggressive than it really is. Meanwhile the US, with the most powerful navy in the world, parades its warships through the Taiwan strait, which for some reason is not seen as a threat or provocation. Also Taiwan claims the mainland as its own territory. Oh, poor little Taiwan. Lol, get off it.
I literally quoted the part that you just also quoted, which specifies that some of the craft were merely in the ADIZ, the one thing I was talking about in my comment
I'm so tired of the notion that anyone not being in line with certain narratives is automatically considered a drone.
Bro the amerikkkan navy sails it's boats there. Silence, drone.
You both quoted the same exact piece of text. You said they didn't read the article but you didn't even bother to read their comment?
You are calling a human being a bot, literally dehumanizing them, because they don't have the same hatred of China as you. You should really check yourself. You are full of hatred and ideological poison. It is clear from your comment that you have limited literacy skills and understanding, you should check out some other perspectives and try to broaden your horizons. Here is one. This is also another incredible resource with a lot of essays and information with a different perspective
Everyone who disagrees with me must be a bot.
I bet your response will contain one of more of the following: Winnie the Pooh, social credit, comrade, Uyghurs. Yet you call others bots, lmao.
back to reddit with you
of fucking course lol, ugh
Bruh lmao
RandAlThor, more like AynRandAlThor
lemmy.ml stands for mega-lib smdh
"or"
not "and", "or".
The southwestern quadrant of Taiwan's ADIZ overlaps with China's ADIZ. If anything, Taiwan is overclaiming their ADIZ.
First day? Lemmygrad brigades every worldnews thread about China or Russia.
Lmao Taiwan existing is bad
Yeah, obviously it's a glorified puppet state but there's no point in arguing from that standpoint here. If a country is to exist, it should know about local air traffic, that's all I'm saying.
Taiwhat? I Thought it was called the Republic of China, and everyone's been telling me China bad!
Cool, so lets ask the people living there (not those in power) what they want with their country.
... oh.
OK, but these articles arent alerting on that type of traffic, only when military aircraft are flying near Thailand, so whats the significance of the ADIZ extending into China in this context?
That's exactly what type of traffic these articles are alerting. Which is why there's no need to even pay attention to it.
Also Thailand has had Chinese military visit it's country as well as trained with Chinese soldiers. If you know so little, why comment?