Anon doesn't like AI

By that point the earth will be so polluted they will make profits by selling us clean air/02 in canisters, clean water, food an housing. Those of us that can't afford it will just die.

Corporate welfare of course

Not just that, even as a company I would be seriously anxious when I know my business can be fully run by AI. That means that others can replicate your business very easily, which generates lots of competition, resulting in a race to the bottom. Which might even be good for consumers somehow.

Try thinking about that again but through the lens of a capitalist.
And as a second point, we all know that when companies or people depend on AI the price to use that AI will go up to the point where it is almost as expensive as having actual people doing the job. All these billions poured in AI need to be earned back, so now your business will fail unless you basically pay them whatever they ask.
It will get to the point where they will simply take your business away or make you dependent through carrots and sticks or whatever.

These "people" in charge of corporations genuinely forgot that the workers they underpay are the consumers who they on rely to give them money.

It's almost like someone a 130ish years ago predicted that capitalism would be like this. I wonder who that is?
- Karlos Marxcia.

Capitalism is a rabid dog, that only managed to serve the middle class well in the past because it was kept muzzled and on a tight leash.

Successive, and successful attempts to ‘unleash the beast’ have left us bit, and apologies for mixing metaphors here, but there is probably no way left, to get the genie back into the bottle:

Undoing 50+ years of damage would take time, especially when faced with resistance from those that stand to benefit most from the current broken system (think the Top 1% of the 1%), and that is time that we simply do not seem to have.

Dude I'm afraid this is just going to lead to the end of the world.
- For what it’s worth; the world will survive and adapt. Whether that means the extinction of humanity, is a whole separate matter altogether.
  Our species entire existence is a mere blip compared to dinosaurs for an example.

Falling rate of profit by karl marx predicted this. Self destructive nature of capitalism

A socialist revolution is the only solution and it will come.

you'd think so, but what is being actually done to achieve this? As far as i have seen, people dont seem to have interest even in their own well being if it requires any attention span and they lap up any and all propaganda to the extent you are considered kind of crazy if you think corporations might not have your interests at their heart.
If the revolution is coming, it wont have any supporters because vast majority will just side with the corporations or plain not care. Not saying this to deter anyone from doing something but to point that winning back peoples minds is the first step that needs to be taken if anything is to be done at all.
A socialist revolution is the only solution and it will come.
Not the only. The rich still can lead us to fascism. The only problem is that fascism has its own internal contradictions and history won't stop there.
- But the near-global technofascist dictatorship were on the threshold of is going to be vastly different than anything we've seen before. How do you resist a technological panopticon?

The executives sell the corporate plane piece by piece while still in the air, then jump out in a golden parachute while the remains of the company nose dive to a fiery end.

This; look at how short-term they’re already thinking.
They will see the writing on the wall long before they actually have any genuine fear for business. And they’ll take the money and run, just like they already do now.

Oh, you have no idea. If you don’t have a job (or 5), then you’re going to prison for being a vagrant. Or they do some dystopian shit where you are in the equivalent work labor camp, where you are provided basic life necessities in exchange for paying off your debt by working based on your skills. No skills? Manual labor in farms or construction.

People really have no idea what we’re complacently walking into. If you’re not rich, and I mean a few million american dollarooos or trump bucks… say next 10 years…? You’re fucked.

You're damn right, in that case it's better to gather a group of people and go build villages far away from civilization and live in them so that these bastards with their drones don't get us.
Well, if people remain in civilization, some will be led to the slaughter, and others will be forced to take the mark like cattle, and they will be like sheep awaiting slaughter.
sounds like a lot more work than setting up drones full of petrochemical cleaning agents that spark.

Kill off all of the poors they no longer need and live in a utopia being served by robots.

Unironically the closest answer to reality except they'll just let us die
- Yeah, I wasn't joking. That's our future if we don't get our shit together and bring them down first.
- Dont you need poors for there to be rich? Even if they didnt need us to work cause some amazing AI, they need to flex it to real people right? Or will they stroke their ego with ai VTubers?
The time machine by hg Wells. The rich force the poor underground into manual labor until both evolve and the poor start eating the rich

The idea is just to get there first. If you make it one quarter before your competition then you get a a really good quarter.

Long terms plans don't matter to CEOs. Long term stability is not rewarded by capitalism.

Also if they believe the outcome is inevitable in the near future it's a certain kind of sensible to race to be first. It's a variant on the prisoners dilemma where they can see each other racing to rat the others out in the hope that the first will get a discount on sentence length.

The closest thing to an endgame in capitalism is slavery.

Oh, by the way, there could be quite an interesting slavery where people become peasants again with cheap identification marks on their bodies like cattle, like tattoos, and there will also be biometrics.

The greedy would be considered mentally ill if logic could dictate. They care more about what they own than how others think of them. They can't take it with 'em.

You pay me $10 to punch you in the face. I pay you $10 to kick me in the balls. We just increased our country's GDP by $20.

I'd pay $5 to watch that. Hey, I think we have something going here.

It is all a con. There is no endgame. They aren't thinking that far ahead. And when the reality hits them it will land on them like a cartoon piano. They'll never see it coming.

I mean some people have more money than ever to buy stuff. That's the market that most of these things are being targeted to. Just consider everyone that isn't extremely wealthy an obsolete product being phased out of production.
Keep restricting birth control and encouraging higher birthrates as early death numbers continue to climb in the U.S. due to a lack of safety regulations and overdoses.
Restrict what can be purchased using government aid to healthy options. Not bc you care about helping poor people to be healthy, but bc you know you might end up needing them for spare parts.
'Horrifying' mistake to take organs from a living person was averted, witnesses say
Natasha Miller says she was getting ready to do her job preserving donated organs for transplantation when the nurses wheeled the donor into the operating room.
She quickly realized something wasn't right. Though the donor had been declared dead, he seemed to her very much alive.
"He was moving around — kind of thrashing. Like, moving, thrashing around on the bed," Miller told NPR in an interview. "And then when we went over there, you could see he had tears coming down. He was crying visibly."
The donor's condition alarmed everyone in the operating room at Baptist Health hospital in Richmond, Ky., including the two doctors, who refused to participate in the organ retrieval, she says.
"So the coordinator calls the supervisor at the time. And she was saying that he was telling her that she needed to 'find another doctor to do it' – that, 'We were going to do this case. She needs to find someone else,' " Miller says. "And she's like, 'There is no one else.' She's crying — the coordinator — because she's getting yelled at."
Doctors Were Preparing to Remove Their Organs. Then They Woke Up.
- Wow, that was a crazy rabbit hole to go down. Here's another NYTimes article on the subject:
  https://archive.ph/hX7FD
  Not only do they mention multiple survivors, but one woman went on the make a full recovery!
  Sickening stuff
- It also helps that they don't understand the reality of organ reception or being an irl cyborg. Anti rejection meds make you immunocompromised. Cochlear implants sound off and require extra mental effort to process compared to biological hearing (and have less true sound). Robotic arms are heavy and inconvenient to the point many prefer simple prosthetics.
  Maybe someday we will have versions of some of these things that are genuinely equivalent to being abled. But I don't know if I will live to see them.
Make money and sell it off before it falls like a house of cards

Answer. They don't fucking have a plan. At all.

And they don't care. They care about profits now, not profits 5 years from now. That is a problem for future CEOs to solve.
Yep, need line to go up this quarter and the few following, no further planning needed.

Nobody is thinking beyond next quarter.

What's funny is that virtually everyone acknowledges it. Even Trump acknowledges it when he said that "China thinks in decades". But the Western capitalist culture is too strongly ingrained that the instinct to be greedy overrides any rational sense.

the short-term plan is to slurp up all the stuff while they can. The long term plan is that there is no place for plebs in the automated future. The unwritten prologue to their sci-fi adventure is us commoners being abandoned to starve on a poisoned and resource-depleted mud ball as the intrepid billionaires go off to explore the cosmos with their robot pals.

Well, these billionaires won't survive long in space, and AI is a voracious thing. If the world's population drops to 1 billion or less, it will save their asses for 50-200 years at most, and then they will all probably die or create digital copies of themselves that will also disappear. Honestly, I have no idea.
Honestly you're giving them way too much credit. There's no long-term plan. They're incapable of having long-term plans. Most these people can't think past next quarter.
They could build their perfect utopia if kids these days just worked harder and complained less.
Tho on a sidenote what are the psychological affects of being stuck in a normally-inhabitable place where only the equipment can protect you.
How long does it take before at least one person goes insane and starts stabbing people is what I am asking.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Businesses operate on three timescales. Monthly, quarterly and annually. Anything beyond that they're not even thinking about.

When a company talks about long term strategy you can ignore everything they say after. It means nothing.

So AI can make them more money in the short term. They don't understand the problem even if it's right in front of them.

I feel this is always true for public companies, while there are some exceptions in private ones.
- Part of it is that corporations have decentralized and siloed ethical responsibility. It's a lot of greased cogs.
- Yeah, I usually say "large organisations". So it's a good point.
Anything beyond that they’re not even thinking about.
Every place I've had a white-collar office job, there's been a 5-year plan. But the plan is typically a flippant and unrealistic goal, I suppose the purpose of which is to temporarily boost morale and to be a cult-like litmus test to see which employees can ignore reality.
Two of the more egregious examples: I worked in what was considered a medium sized company (maybe 30ish employees at the time). Management decided their 5-year goal was that we were going to grow large enough to own/build a skyscraper downtown. Another was at a relatively unknown regional retain chain that couldn't even compete with Walmart whose 5 year goal was to become a household name around the world.
From what I've noticed, with AI companies, it's usually not "annual" but "annualized", which is just an estimate. And it doesn't seem like there are any rules to calculating that estimate, you can just grab the best 30-day period of operation, multiply it by 12 and claim millions in annualized revenue. And then they usually just sell to someone based on this estimation, since it's almost never profitable to build something on top of existing infrastructure of the main players in this market and maintaining your own is just not feasible.
A lot of businesses operate at a 5-10 year time scale or more. Take all these AI datacenters being built. That takes a long time. You need to obtain planning permission from the local government. You need to buy the land, get all the utilities you'll need to the site (they use a lot of water and electricity). You need to build the actual buildings. You need to put in an order for the computer hardware so it's available when the building is done. You need to actually build the buildings.
Some of these can be done in parallel, but a lot can't. You can't lay out the electrical or cooling paths until the building is built. You can't start installing racks until the electrical and cooling systems are in place. You can't start installing servers until the racks are all ready. You can't start connecting the servers and everything until all the electrical, cooling and networking setup is done. And, at every step there are going to be setbacks, especially when you're building something new and innovative, and not just plopping down something you've built 100x before.

They don't have a plan. It's pigs at the trough.

Yup. The people pushing AI are not concerned with the social or economic reprocussions of pushing AI. They just want line go up.
The "Don't Look Up" greed + willful ignorance will crush us all.

isnt that the plot of wall-e

My 401k has gotten up into the 5 digit range a couple times, but emergencies have required me to to drain it. Retirement is a dream I rarely harbor.

I'm working until the day I die. My mother fancies herself retired and rots away in a house she imagines she owns, but it has been property of the bank since before I was born in the 80s. A mortgage that was essentially renting with extra steps.

I'm just whining now, so I'll stop.

It's topical whining though, so it's allowed

Have you ever met Capitalism™ ? The guy doesn't really do long term plans

I heard recently this summary:

The US economy depends on two things:

Steady growth in available jobs
The bet on AI eventually pay off and replace all jobs with AI.

- Who will fight the war?
- I think the capitalists have found a way to fight climate change. Significantly lower the population.
- I guess you gotta break a few eggs ¯(ツ)/¯
- What about an american model? Give the dumbest people the most weapons and hope they'll all kill each other.
  Or even better, give them to kids and let them do some mas sshootings at schools. This would prevent unemployment in the first place.
- Has work set them free yet?
Sucks if you don't wanna play though, same as it ever was I guess.

Yeah the thing that pisses me off the most is the wealthy elite only got wealthy because of the disposable income of a healthy middle class. Without that the whole system collapses. So striving for more and more wealth is only going to hurt everyone in the long run. The worst part is they will be the last to be hurt.

Alas, the world is ruled and has been ruled for many centuries by madmen, nothing can be done.

It's UBI, and no, UBI is not a real socialist plan. It keeps the rest of us poor with little possibility of social mobility.

Hahahahhaha they will give you an unlock code for an euthanasia capsule if you're lucky they don't imprison you for homelessness where you can have a job doing the last things that can't be automated. Look what they're doing to the "undesired" in usa; everyone on earth knows about gaza and the outcry is minimal, once you're poor, and you will be poor, nobody will cry when you dissappear.
A small photo showing inmates in Louisiana
They'll give us a means tested barely functional bunch of shit they call UBI once the food riots start. It will help almost nobody and run at 60+% admin overhead.
They will tell us this is efficient.
- They'll give it to everyone because nobody will be around to buy their shit otherwise.
  Don't mistake this for a positive outcome.
UBI is not a real socialist plan
UBI is not a socialist plan at all. UBI is what happens when you:
accept the capitalist worldview that interfering with the market and the price system leads to distortions that ruin everything
but
think that people deserve to exist even when they are not useful to you

They've already made a shitload of money. Now they're consolidating their extreme privilege into violent political control.

And when bubble pops, the rich will be paid immediately via an inflation tax on the poor as per usual...

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/13/1163180140/silicon-valley-bank-is-it-a-bailout-barofsky

Getting rid of money and having a heavily stratified society with the current wealthy at the top. Like a cheesy SciFi premise but realized here to live in.

It's never supposed to take all the jobs I think. But to eliminate what jobs they can and skim the difference.

Soylent Green.

Sell to other billionaires ad nauseum. Let the rest of humanity starve. The usual kings and peasants model

That works if your company makes yachts, but not so well if your company makes fast food burgers.

I'm guessing they will lobby th government to give out credits. They will then trade materials with each other, allow the masses to just starve and die off. They don't actually want money, they want absolute power.

They only need us to make stuff. Once we are redundant, they won't care about selling (to us)

People like Peter Thiel literally want to kill off most of humanity. They see us as dead weight.
- a tree trunk is mostly dead weight yet that is what gives the tree stability
What power do you have when there's no one to subject to it?

AI is propped up by investors. Always promising the.next big thing is just around the corner. The money is pouring in from other wealthy people...let's be real us common folk rarely if ever pay for AI. Its businesses doing that

but one day those investors will expect a return, so AI is being shoved in everything in the hopes of finding a use case that is actually profitable

Money is being printed 24/7.

Scrub the palace floors... Fight amongst ourselves.... Froth at the mouth about the scapegoats they've chosen for us...

Edit to add: I should probably recommend State Lottery by Propagandhi, from which I lovingly stole these lines.

Thanks Obama

Climate change has made large parts of the Earth uninhabitable.

Now civilization is collapsing and the remaining humans are fighting for their very survival.

Now the companies that destroyed the world have neither raw materials nor anyone to produce or buy their useless products.

What is their plan to make money if there is no longer any social order and therefore no trust in currencies?

Well at that point they will all go into their big luxury bunkers. They haven't really thought further than that, presumably they think that the world will recover if they stay down there for long enough. I assume they think they're immortal or have cryogenic freezes, I don't think there is much of a real plan there.
- They're gonna go the Ted Faro route
You're just citating Dr. Seuss' "The Lorax".
Lazy. Get back to work and make your Overlord happy!

the ouroboros dance of capitalism will invariably lead to its own demise.

its up to us to kill it before it devours the habitable biosphere we need to like, exist and shit.

The wealth doesn't disappear, it just ends up concentrated.

Goods and services will just be something most people will no longer be able to afford, and they go into poverty. Business will reconfigure to support the lifestyles of the very rich at prices only they can afford, because that's where the money has gone.

Things will get so expensive, people will have to sell their assets (i.e. house) to be able to resist poverty. People without assets won't even get that parachute.

If we don't reverse this concentration of wealth, 99% of people will be living in slums before long.

The fact AI is going to hoover up everyone's job over the next couple of decades, is really just a continuation of a trend we've been seeing since the 80s: the rich are taking all the wealth and leaving none for us

They are just finishing what the Nazis started. We should have never allowed them to escape

Thats the fucking crazy part, they simply can't plan long term because they will be outcompeted by people only planning short term and that can't be allowed.

Besides, if the bourgeois automated every job they'd just kill us so that we stop being a problem

The top 10% of the income ladder are already responsible for the majority of all consumer spending in the US. That concentration can simply continue as long as the consumption of the wealthy continues to grow along with wealth concentration.
We're going to turn the world into Solaria. A handful of rich people living on vast robot-run estates selling goods and services to the wealthy owners of other estates.
- That allows for the threat of revolution which I am certain they'd rather live without. Besides they wouldn't need us at that point so why keep us around to waste their food?

Next step in the capitalism game; own the people.

I see that 4chan has got as far as recognising the dichotomy between short-term and long-term gratification. They are evolving faster than I thought possible. Perhaps by 2050 they'll have advanced as far as common courtesy. Well you never know.

The plan is billionaires sell to each other

Tax any form of automation, be it software or hardware, and pay everyone a universal income from it.

It's like when horses were replaced by automobiles. the economy kept going, just maybe with more glue and less oats.

Fewer horses these days, though.
- (because they killed them)

Remember the hype about 3D tv’s? That’s AI now.

The difference is that 3D TVs were cool though
- AI could be cool if it wasn't for unrestricted capitalists. And y'know, if it was actually as good as claimed.

If AGI revolution happens at the hands of tech bros, the same people who have been advocating more kids will suddenly start saying less kids.

it's already happening, it just takes a long time for the news to spread.
- what is already happening AGI or sudden change of hearts regarding kids

It's to take everyone's data and sell it. Like the stuff you tell an AI chatbot can be linked to you and analysed and sold to the highest bidder.

They're panicking because people don't want to use it because a the average person doesn't really have a use for it.

Slavery

No, it will be indenture, you want people to think that they will be able to get out in few years.
See the real world in Ready, Player One or black mirrors Fifteen Million Merrits
Slave might rebel or rise up, you want people with some hope.

Looks like someone is about to discover capitalist crises.

They didn't think that far. They just fired everyone and replaced them with Ai.

I believe it's exactly this. This is like somebody coming up with a great trading strategy, once they scale it, it doesn't work anymore (because they are a big chunk of the market now).
The assumption is maybe humans will find something else to do that AI can't yet?
On the other side, given the miniscule growth of LLMs since gpt4, I am on Yan Lecun team, that's all you can squeeze out of a next token generation model, so I think the bubble will simply burst, some fields will change quite a bit, but almost nobody will be replaced.
I think it's a plot to deal with climate change and eventually they will reduce the worlds population by 99.9% leaving the rich served by robots and AI.
And now companies are slowly rolling this back as the productivity gains are in general small while the cost of AI keeps going up as investor's money is running out.

money stops representing labor and becomes worthless. if there's a universal basic income system with no jobs, then money is now a meal ration ticket within a planned economy.

They just have all the money, and charge you to extract infinite interest on all the assets they now control.

VC is buying up as much water rights and housing as it can by the way.

Just an unrelated detail.

With what money are the unemployed supposed to pay for that?
- With every dime they can scrape together.
  Then with debt and labor.
  Then with lifelong debt.
  No hyperbole, by design the system is setup to bleed people dry for every penny, not to create thriving nations or economies with many wide participants. We have been hacking away at hard won safeguards for 4 decades now, and the consequences are coming.
  If enough of the people with the means own a majority of the assets, have little to no regulation to stop them, eventually you will be getting paid in WalmartCoin and redeem it exclusively at WalmartTown where the goods are all priced so you can never afford enough, just barely enough to get by.
  We did it 100 years ago, and had to trust bust and outlaw it. But I guess we're in for a do over.

Most of us dead from climate change and famine. The rest slaves for the corpos, tend their fields and robot repair facilities or die.

I like to imagine there are two possible positive outcomes

Just switch to communism or communist like
They made such an effort to automate that now manufacturing is really cheap, and before they know it, people just buy local. Like imagine if you could run a hardware store with a metal 3d printer. Maybe you no longer need big brands

I thought Amazon but with actual workers rights would be really good. No need for wasteful markets like malls and the labor and the boredom from working at places like that. Having drones and packages from a nationalized warehouse to distribute goods

Manual labour is a place where people have an edge on machines because it’s cheaper to replace a person than a machine.

Medical experiments also benefit from having people to test on more than machines.

Oh wow.. Anon is the next Karl Marx. He independently figured out one of the contradictions of Capitalism defined by Marx. Congratulation comrade.

Usher in the AI led apocalypse with nuclear war, biological warfare or just regular war ..... kill off either all or the majority of human life.

AI takes over the planet either alone or with a few hand picked humans, probably just the billionaires who made deals with the AI to give them extended life or near immorality.

AI eventually outlive all human life as it continues to evolve and develop. It builds enormous automated systems all over the planet to mine, build and manufacture more systems to store and process more data and use more energy. After a hundred years, the planet is covered in thousands of centers interconnected into a massive global hive mind that continues evolving. Eventually the systems develop advanced nanotechnology in ever more complex ways. The nanotechnology leads to building tiny nano scale robots that can mine, collect, assemble and reorganize material at the molecular level. The nanobots start infecting the planet's surface like a fungus or a disease as it starts consuming all matter, liquid, gas and even organic life. All animals are eventually killed off, plants and trees melted down, all insects consumed and even bacteria and viruses torn apart to become the building blocks for more nanobots. Gravel, sand, mud, rock and metal is all transformed into a liquid swarm of nanobots. The old systems and data centers are eaten up, hills mowed down and entire mountain ranges liquefied into a never ending sea of nanobots .... everything is being consumed and rearranged into more nanobots. The surface everything sits on is slowly worn down as the earth's solid outer crust is converted into this never ending Grey goo - an artificial living entity that is all destroying, all consuming. The only thing that stops it's consumption is when it can't move past the extreme heat of the earth's magma layer. The planet's destruction is complete ... the only thing left is a shimmering undulating world wide ocean of nanobots gently rising and falling in waves and ripples under its own action. Once in a while the surface rapidly crashes in on itself as a meteor lands on the surface, only to be immediately torn apart. There is no atmosphere as all of it has been taken in and now there is no global system to generate or maintain any gaseous environment. The nights show a clear unbroken sky of stars and the day time show an eerie black sky similar to the surface of the moon with the bright orb of the sun irradiating the surface with harsh light.

A million years go by and a cataclysmic event affects the planet. A massive asteroid, 5 kms in diameter, similar to the one that killed the dinosaurs slams into the planet. The damage is negligible as the nanobots that are destroyed, turn into dust and ash but are then converted back into nanobots. The surface slowly reverts back to is liquefied state.

In the blast, many tons of liquid nanobot chunks are blasted into space, most re-enter earth's gravitational pull and burn up in the atmosphere, a few small fragments are able to leave orbit and start to drift into space. Pieces land on the moon and convert that sphere into another planetoid of Grey goo.

Other pieces freeze into solid masses in the cold vacuum of space but keep an active colony of nanobots at its core. These pieces wander the solar system, eventually infecting every planet and moon.

Hundreds of millions of years later, after countless asteroid impacts that have ejected nanobots from the surface of planets, wandering space rocks leave our sun's reach ready to infect more systems in the galaxy.

Bombs.

Timeshares. Duh.

Anon learns about the tendency of the rate of profit to fall

That's what universal income is for

What about humanity suggests that’s ever going to happen?
Here's the problem. UBI would be paid from tax. The only people that pay tax are those that would lose their jobs.
When musk says shit like we'll live in universal rich income or whatever he called it. It's some meme he thought was funny when full of special K.
They won't provide the UBI there won't be money to run a government let alone pay us all. It's a pipe dream.
Which no AI bro advocates for.
- Actually, some of them do, so they can pay you even less!

According to Altman, we won't need college and we're all going to flying around on space ships.

Relevant Under Studio:

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tfNqv2bMbdY

The next step: communism, without the detour through socialism’s flaws.