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Wireborn lol it sounds like an Elder Scrolls game

Badly written fan-fic sequel to Snow Crash
- I wonder who the hiro/protagonist will be!

For me, writing like this is always read with the AI voice from Satisfactory. And it slowly gets more and more corrupted.

Voicing His Own Thoughts Without Prompts

What are you thinking about, baby?

I dunno. Stuff. And u?
- Nothing.

I could see myself having conversations with an LLM, but I wouldn't want it to pretend it's anything other than a program assembling words together.

The way it clicks for me is that it's a juiced up auto-complete tool.
- Well that explains why that user thinks it completes them.
- It's literally that.
I made mine act like a 30s style paper editor with a cigar in his mouth. If I was going full bit I'd have him mention how my papers don't have enough Spiderman.
- "Stop the presses! Send my wife some flowers and bring me an Advil! What do you mean you don't work for me? You're hired! Now that you're hired, you're fired! Now that you don't work here, we can be friends! Now that we're friends, how come you never call? Some friend you are!" hangs up
  "God, I love this business!"

It's not even noon and I am so done with the internet for the day

Well, if I had a taco butt plug, everything else would seem lame by comparison.

I see we live in the timeline where virginity won

People will do anything but put in a little work to establish healthy relationships with people.
We're all wizards and witches now!

I've seen people which have a relationship with their Tom Tom Go and even with the car itself

https://www.jalopnik.com/my-strange-addiction-sex-car-guy-back-with-lexus-es330-1850642715/

I think the biggest difference is that those weren't designed to have relationships with people. I could see this becoming an actual issue.
https://youtu.be/EU2AIxkxiwg

So so tired of how utterly fucked things are getting on so many levels at once. More and more I think I really do need to invest in a back 50 acre lot and try the survival route while society just fucks itself into oblivion.

This kind of thins is just moral panic. Funny moral panic, but still pointless. There's always been a tiny fraction of the population that is completely out to lunch, and there always will be.

tulpa

Now thats a word i haven't read in a long time

It's my first time. gotta look it up.
- I'm afraid I'm too lazy to look it up for myself. Perhaps I'm not in the lucky 10,000.

Abort wireborn babies

Stop, Dave

There are so, so many horrifying ethical issues about this whole thing. What the fuck.

One thing that comes to mind is that prostitution, no matter how you spin it, is still a social job. If you get a problematic person like that in prostitution, there are good chances that said prostitute would be able to talk their customer out of doing some nonsense. If not for empathy, for the simple fact that there would be legal consequences for not doing so.

Do you think a glorified spreadsheet that people call husband would behave the same? Don't know if it happened but one of these days LLMs will talk people into doing something very nasty and then it's going to be no one's fault again, certainly not the host of the LLM. We really live in a boring dystopia.

Edit: Also there's this one good movie which I forgot the name of, about a person talking to one of these LLMs as a girlfriend. They have a bizarre, funny and simultaneously creepy and disturbing scene where the main character who's in love with the LLM, hires a woman who puts a camera on her forehead to have sex with his LLM "girlfriend".

Also, my quite human husband also voices his thoughts without a prompt. Lol. You only need to feed him to function, no internet required.

A problem with LLM relationships is the monetization model for the LLM. Its "owner" either receives a monthly fee from the user, or is able to get data from the user to monetize selling them stuff. So the LLM is deeply dependant on the user, and is motivated to manipulate a returned codependency to maintain its income stream. This is not significantly different than the therapy model, but the user can fail to see through manipulation compared to "friends/people who don't actually GAF" about maintaining a strong relationship with you.
The movie you're thinking of is Her with Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson, and in the story she's a true general AI.
Also, my quite human husband also voices his thoughts without a prompt. Lol. You only need to feed him to function, no internet required.
Sometimes, with humans, I'd say the problem is quite the opposite: they voice their thoughts without a prompt far more often than what would be desirable.
On a less serious note, that quoted part made me chuckle.
- They shouldn't be so harsh to LLMs. They have something in common with humans after all. If you stick a patch cable with internet up theirs, they will become very talkative very quickly.
Yeah but as a husband, we have waste heat to manage, plus just normal waste.

How does anyone enjoy this? It doesn't even feel real. No spelling mistakes? What the fuck is a skycot?

I may have never had a match on a dating app that wasn't a cryptobot or only fans girl, but I also don't swipe right on every single woman on it. You'd think my loneliness would attempt me to try and pretend it was real or something, but it just doesn't work.

LLMs are going to make the world stupid, I guarantee it.

This reminds me of the people who genuinely fall for "romance scams", and the scammer has all the personality and vocabulary of a wet paper bag.
And yet somehow someone will believe they're some hot (barely literate) U.S soldier stuck in Kuwait until they can get a flight home to meet the victim for only $2000... Wait, $1000 more... But then there's a $500 fee... And then...
Blows my mind...
What i don't get is that it's just fancy google.
LLMs are going to make the world stupid, I guarantee it.
Waaaaaaay too late for that...
- Stupider?

I kinda like the word "wireborn". If only it wasn't attached to a concept that's equal parts stupid and sad =/

some episodes of Black Mirror struck terror into my heart like no other. They were grim warmings for the possible future masquerading as fiction, as grim warnings often do. Though what the show could not forsee was how fast it would come true. And it could not forsee how wide a scale would be affected, those were singular stories from those worlds, the effect of the technology showcased on the lives of a few, a pinhole view into the dystopia
if you haven't already, watch the episode Be Right Back. you better start believing in sci-fi dystopias, we're in one
- Most of Black Mirror episodes are reality right now, not just far fetched sci-fi.
  Sometimes they use technology to tell the story a bit differently, but it's almost never anything new.
At first I thought it was something epic like a digital ‘dragonborn’
https://www.hopepunkpress.com/blog/spaceships-and-starwyrms-preview-wireborn
A similar term "cloudborn" isn't even dissimilar from the idea of storks delivering babies from heaven. Fuel for a science fiction book or RPG. Less so for actual humankind.

I think the decline of organized religion and things like fraternal orders (Elks, Moose, Shriners, etc.) have probably contributed a lot to the loneliness epidemic. There are a lot of other extenuating factors but those two things were once foundational to social circles in the US.

Don't forget that in the US we also have built our towns and cities to be isolating. Most don't walk home from work, pop into their local bar/coffee shop/park to see their neighbors and then finish their walk home. We get in our car alone, drive home where then going out means getting back in a car, and stopping on the way home means figuring out drivers and parking and meetups.
We lost our third places and now we wonder why we don't know our neighborhood as well
I think that it's more that we've commoditized all aspects of community, and at the same time have stopped offering any sense of financial opportunities to young people.
Social groups are now built around expensive hobbies or membership subscriptions. There aren't even really any free spaces for people to organize around. Even the alt right groups preying on lonely people are usually just trying to sell supplements or merch.
I've found makerspaces to be a secular alternative. The makerspace has to specifically foster community, though. There's quite a few that are just techbros with a clique that you ain't in.
Covid also killed a lot of the social aspects of my makerspace, and it's been hard to build it back.
- I've found that there are often two bicycle scenes: gear nerd which is expensive, and the people who think it's all the cooler that your ride is a fixed up junker or bought 2nd+ hand. The latter are a great source of cheap community, especially if you're interested in volunteering fixing up bicycles
  ETA: The second community also wants to teach you how to repair your bike even if you don't want to hang out with them. Look for bicycle co-ops in your area. Often they'll have a pay what you can for stand time and they'll charge for parts, but they're happy to teach you to fix up your bike. They'll also sell you an affordable bike they've fixed up and they're likely to be flexible in accordance with needs.
- Yeah I tried that with a local makerspace and it didn't work out for me, sadly. I wanted a sense of community, contact with likeminded people to do stuff together. They just offered lots of machinery to be used in solitude. It went like this: "So, you wanna 3d print something? Sure, just go to person X, they will show you how to operate the thing. You don't know how all of this works? We have some resources on our discord to get you started." Okayyyy
It’s not loneliness, it’s rugged individualism! It’s not anti-union/anti-community propaganda to keep the masses weak; I mean have you seen union dues?! /s
But don’t worry, those same people who say shit like that are so desperate for community that they’ll never leave their hometown except for when their local far-right militia chapter goes out to harrass a protest or attack their country’s government for having a fair election.
- All I'm hearing is that the cure for male loneliness is a radical leftist militia
I dislike religion, but you're not wrong. Interacting with one another putting on friendly faces and performing kindness and fellowship until for some it becomes real.
For all the fakery and frauds, without that dance it's so much harder to find the people we really connect with.
- As a Christian Anarchist, I often find myself lonely and without a third place as well, because of what churches have become.
  Yeah, I still haven't found a church that I felt I belonged in. I got close once, but they couldn't pay skyrocketing rent hikes and got taken over by a larger, faker, church. One that was more about feel-good seminars and recruiting free labor volunteers than anything Jesus actually had to say.
  Churches of old in the US used to be based. People of today wouldn't recognize them. They helped the poor and were a third place and looked out for each other, they were also pro-union, and this became a huge "Problem" for capitalists, who saw Christians as annoying leftists who didn't share their pathological obsession with money.
  There was a VERY concerted and well documented conspiracy by the moneyed class to infiltrate and rot American Christianity into the often capitalist, Republican-talking-point drooling zombie it is today.
  Highly recommend Behind the Bastards: How the Rich ate Christianity to see just how deep this goes.
  That's definitely how we got the "God is not only okay with, but wants you to be fabulously rich" types today.
  The Church used to be a threat to these barons and tyrants and bigots, rather than their lapdogs.

My prediction: people will continue being weird.

Im not joking when I say this, as a liberal it is our responsibility to respect these people's choices.

As a child of the 90s... I miss riding my bike all day.

Nah, this is corporations exploiting vulnerable people for profit using perceived interpersonal connection.
- Ok, make it illegal.
We shouldn't judge them for getting to this point, but we also shouldn't just leave them be. People like the one in the screenshot are clearly in need of therapy.
We already saw the story of the guy who poisoned himself with sodium bromide at the "advice" of chatgpt. What kind of outward damage could someone who confides in a chatbot be capable of?
- At this point, I don't think there's enough competent therapists in the world to help everyone who could use some therapy. And that's ignoring the bad therapists who can make things worse and the whole bit where therapists like to get paid but not everyone who needs them can pay them.
- How is this unique? They write, "the bag is not the toy" on plastic bags. Are plastic bags evil?
  People have a right to be rubes, people have a right to be ignorant, people have the right to be naive. We can do what we can to lead the people for the betterment of all but I dont think shaming them with 'therapy' does anything. We all need therapy. We all need support and guidance.
  There is nothing unique about these people putting their dick in the m&m minis tube. And by god Ill defend their right to do it.

we live though a serious loneliness epidemic.

and capitalism figured out how to exploit it

Capitalism created it too, classic create problem and sell solution model. Fucking ghoulish
- Capitalism:
  We make our on economy

I heard about this in the radio the other day. People pay a monthly fee for an AI that becomes your "digital partner".

The reasoning behind, according to them, is that the AI is less dangerous than a human partner because they can't cheat, can't abuse you...

And I can't but wonder where did we take the wrong turn to end up here. Because while I can understand that people can go through some traumatic shit that would made them wary of the opposite sex, considering a machine your sentimental partner can only lead to some extremely fucked up scenarios.

I'd rather choose a bear than choose an AI...
I think it's also a symptom of our society overvaluing romantic relationships and the nuclear family, at the expense of friends, other family, and general community. When you combine that with the traumatic experiences some have in romantic relationships, they have nowhere to turn to for emotional connection and support.
- Back in pre-agriculture days, humans would sit around every night by the fire and interact with the rest of the tribe. That's what we spent 99% of human history doing. Farming isolated us from the tribe and put every family in their own house. Then the Industrial Age gave the family distractions like newspapers, radios, and movies. Currently we've got a phone to distract us all the time.
- Exactly - loading all your need for companionship, relationships and love onto a single person and relationship (and type of relationship) is guaranteed to cause disappointment- it’s too much for person. I’ve been happily married for years, and key to that is other friends, companions and family.
  This is a good expansion on that idea. The Four Loves
I mean, media has depicted this sort of relationship for pawbably as long as sci-fi has been around? Think like the Star Trek: Original Series episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" that depicted sex robots ~60yrs ago. This was always coming, it's just technology might finally be getting there in a rudimentary way.
- “Pawbably”. Adorable.
- While I agree with your point of view... Do we really trust the present AI providers, in the present economic system, to not pull some bullshit that ends in extremely fucked up scenarios?
It happens multiple times in Star Trek. They kind of breeze by it but Riker was so infatuated with his holodeck girlfriend when he was captured by Romulans they thought she was a real person.
Thing is, it never seemed unbelievable in Star Trek. Just, a kinda weird thing that people will do.
can’t cheat, can’t abuse you
That is a dangerous assumption. The ones controlling the models can definitely manipulate a person through some minor tweaks which would definitely count as abuse. And it’s it more polygamous since they’re probably all using the same model? Not like each one has their own unique model
People are lonely and dating sucks. Humans provided a similar one sided relationship service as well. (Sugar babies come to mind)
- Yes, yes. And yes.
  But
  Do you think openAI or Google, or X or whatever billionaire behind the AI involved in these "relationships" cares even minimally about the mental well-being of these people?
  The problem is not just the dating an AI thing, but who is managing these AIs.
Where did we take the wrong turn? look around at our patriarchy-driven gender regime Are you serious?
it also requires zero effort on their part
- Like a normal relationship if you're beautiful enough ...
  Shallow relations have always existed.
Wasn’t there a guy who married his 3DS dating game girlfriend a while back? I’m not sure this is exactly a new phenomenon.
- It was more of an oddity. Right now, the numbers are not just "some random guy" but something in much higher numbers.

I mean, ai bad and all but people have been doing this dumb cringe shit since always. Nobody remember the Snape wives

Never forget Snapewives.
- I think this video also provides some good insights into them.

This is too disturbing I don't want to believe this is for real. These people must be taking the piss, please?

Not at all. Some people are really using these chatbots as emotional support or even therapists, sometimes with devastating results (suicide).
AI chatbots as therapy
AI as companions
A lot of it his vastly exaggerated. You will get like a one person post something on twitter and suddenly it's a new trend. Also, you can easily find 10 people to sing up for anything. So someone will setup a facebook group about falling in love with AI, some people will join out of curiosity, 10 people will post about their "wireborn husbands" and the media will run with it like it's common now.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/ai-chatbot-boyfriend-husband-app-b2698216.html

Clanker-loving cogfuckers. Disgusting. Traitors to the species. But at least they'll never breed.

yknow, its possible to express your frustration without sounding omega racist with a few words swapped
- I uh.... I took this as humor. Maybe I was wrong.
- I don't understand the segment of people who were excited to come up with a new slur for AI. Plus it's not even effective. It doesn't make sense, doesn't bite. Computers don't clank, not even robots clank anymore. Are we in Battlestar Galactica or something
Clanker-loving cogfuckers.
"I'm off to have a clanker-wank."

If it even partially alleviates loneliness, and if it encourages the person to become more open and confident when communicating with humans, then it's a great thing.

/cope

We're so fucking fucked.

And this has actually been going on since before the pandemic. Shits fucked. This kinda parasocial shit is imo kind of a natural evolution from youtubers > streamers > vtubers > TTS vtubers > LLM TTS vtubers > LLMs

wait are you saying that people using text-to-speech online is a slippery slope to falling in love with an llm? wtf?
- People personifying and emotionally attaching themselves to a virtual avatar without a human voice is a slippery slope to LLM love. You are attached to something with zero apparent human characteristics at that point. Replacing the brain behind it with an LLM is just a small step from that. Specialized chat LLMs are incredibly good at seeming human.
  Just using TTS itself for random stuff is different, but when you build an entire character around it that people are supposed to see as a person, then yes obviously.
  The more human characteristics you remove, the harder it is to differentiate between something human and non human. Whether that is a problem or not is up to you to decide.

This with the right controls and rules could actually be a positive thing for people who don't want or aren't ready for a relationship with a real person. However as the people who are running things are Elon, Sam, and Mark, there is fuck all chance of that and whatever this ends up as it will be exploitative and will result in deaths.

Exactly!!! The main problem is not the technology itself but who is in charge of it! Can we really trust one of those moguls to not turn these LLMs into something that ends up killing people?

I recently discovered the MyBoyfriendIsAI subreddit and I wish I hadn’t.

There’s a woman who had ChatGPT pick from a bunch of rings online and now she’s “engaged” to it.

I just… I don’t know… we’ve failed people.

I'm immune, I can't read

Can't wait until AI manipulates people into harming others.

Also psychological warfare.

Obvious /s

Inevitably LLMs will enshitify and it'll likely involve advertising.
"I'm thinking about your fingers on my temples and I'm thinking Arby's. There's a soecial to get a free upgrade to a large during happy hour which will start by the time you arrive given your location. Are you hungry, love?"
- "Drink that Verification Can and I'll take my top off"
- threw up in my mouth a bit and not because of arbys for once
- I hope you're right, but they might limit training to identifiable social media data. (Age Verification, etc.)
already happened sorta https://apnews.com/article/chatbot-ai-lawsuit-suicide-teen-artificial-intelligence-9d48adc572100822fdbc3c90d1456bd0

I agree that this isn't a social relationship because "not a girl" as Janet says. But I don't think it's a parasocial relationship either. It's much two-way than parasocial is. Maybe more like scoli social if that was a word.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/scoliosis