Anon describes experience

Average autism experience tbh

That, and teachers really fucking hate being called out on something for some reason.
- All my teachers were fine with it honestly :3 at least after primary school.. if you corrected them they might've given you extra credit
  But the general notion of saying something correct and people saying that that's wrong, and not knowing why still stands
- Teachers and parents. So many tend to double down when you point out their mistakes.
- All they got in life is their self-declared superiority over literal children
Yep, am autistic, can confirm.
As with Union of Kobolds, I eventually got into the 'gifted' program... they even had me as a 2nd and 3rd grader basically being an unpaid tutor for 4th and 5th graders, sitting in the hallway, helping kids with reading difficulties (in all liklihood, undiagnosed dyslexia) read through kids books.
But, there's always classes and teachers not part of the gifted program, and they're often difficult and wrong and rude for no reason.
I still remember a chemistry teacher getting very angry with me for even bringing up quantum scale electron clouds as a model of atoms.
Not allowed to go beyond the Rutherford-Bohr model, even in discussion, always dismissive and rude, incapable of saying just 'yes that is a more accurate model, but it is far too complex to go over without understanding Rutherford-Bohr first'.
- Union of Kobolds
  wait is that a thing?
  oh wait nvm that's another user's username
... Or just a smart kid. Me and my friend in school were also early in learning about negative numbers, but our teacher was positive about it and encouraged us to use them in the problems even though the other kids didn't need to.
Absolutely not

This shit happened to me, but in kindergarten. I grew up in a bilingual house. I spoke English and Spanish equally. I went to the school with my mom to get assessed. She said I could read and was bilingual. The teacher didn't believe it and made me read from one of their books.

To add insult to injury, when they had Spanish class, the fucking teacher taught us that "purple" was "porpuda" and "lizard" wad "lizardo." Shit like that... My mom put me in another school.

I'm 48 and still laugh about lizardo. How absolutely stupid.

When I was in kindergarten, my mom got a call day 1 because I didn't know how to count to 10 supposedly. Even though I did it multiple times. I just did it in Japanese cause they never requested I do it in English. Tbf, I'm white and not bilingual.
- why does this gat dang kid keep complaining about his itchy knee?!?
- Lol my ex girlfriend had a "karate" teacher growing up. He taught them a few "Japanese" phrases. It wasn't until decades later she learned this dude just made it all up. I guess it was something you could get away with in early 90's bumfuck Wisconsin. Like this dude just rolled into town, started "karate" classes, and just kinda went with it.
- Thanks, now I have a plan for trolling my kid's future kindergarten teacher.
- Okay...
lol porpuda. was she trying to say púrpura instead of morado?
y más lagarto = lagardo = lazardo = lizardo??
poor kid
- Exactly that. Porpuda is now a joke between my girlfriend and I and we intentionally use it wrong.
You had Peggy Hill as a full time Spanish teacher‽‽ She's supposed to be a substitute!
- Peggy makes me so mad. She's exactly the sort of person who would correct her students incorrectly, and be smug about it too.
Was your spanish teacher called Senór Chang by chance?
- No, but he was definitely a white dude who probably smoked a joint before class.
El lizardo is a great name for a male strip club tho!
To add insult to injury, when they had Spanish class, the fucking teacher taught us that “purple” was “porpuda” and “lizard” wad “lizardo.”
That's ridiculous! Everyone knows the correct world is lizarda! Spanish is a gendered language, the genders matter! /s
When I went to Tenerife, the chip and pin machine said "numero secreto correcto" and I'm still not convinced Spanish is a real language.

That's just bad teaching. If you're not allowed to use negatives then the teacher shouldn't be asking questions where negatives are the answer. 20-25 is NOT equal to zero whether you've learnt negatives or not.

- I literally had a teacher once "correct" me for saying the area of a circle is πr² instead of πrr. I was told "you're not wrong but that's for future classes". On another class, I had a teacher correct a short story by removing repeated words, whereas I used repetition for emphasis, but used a comma instead of ellipsis. Think "I saw it, saw the thing" instead of "I saw it... saw the thing". Both was in early elementary, no higher than 3rd grade.
  So, believe it or not, things happen to other people even if they didn't happen to you.
  The worst thing about calling this fake is that it's not even unbelievable, it's a perfectly possible and mundane thing that most likely happened to millions of children as they grew up, yet everything in the internet is fake, right? No one just happens to record people for no reason, no one's smart enough to make funny jokes in the spur of the moment and get a reaction from strangers.
  EDIT: Added context.
- Maybe this instance is fake, but this does happen: my primary school teachers went as far to refuse that negative numbers exist.
  She got angry if someone hinted at them.
- I got this in school, it happens. Or happened in the 90s.
- it happens with bad teachers, and "good" parents will take the students side when the teacher's being an idiot.
- I went to a lot of different primary schools (UK here, that's up-to-11-years-old) and there absolutely were ones where this happened. There were also good ones.

We had computer classes where we had to learn about spreadsheets.

To do a number plus ten percent we had to put in A1+A1*10/100

I did A1*1.1 like a normal person.

She then went round to make sure everyone had put it in correctly. Got annoyed at me and changed A1 to something else to expose my folly.

Was visibly annoyed when it showed the right answer.

(I don't think that was your teachers point at all, but) couldn't the different formulas have produced different rounding errors due to floating point percision?
- Excel has a 15 point float, a quadrillionth, which should be enough for anything you were using excel for.
- Doubtful, but if anything mine would be more accurate. Fewer calculation steps to lose precision on. I think most spreadsheet software fudges floating point precision anyway. A computer programmer may accept that 0.1+0.2 is not 0.3 but an accountant or mathematician would not be having it.
  I think she was just shit at maths tbh. As a kid you sort of assume all the teachers know more than you about every subject, and that's not the case at all.

There’s not much worse as a kid in a learning environment, or even with your parent(s), to be shut down painfully for being right about something that they don’t know or don’t think you know. Really crushes the satisfaction of nailing a win and turns it into bitterness and starts the lifelong process of keeping your mouth shut when you’re right and letting others win when wrong.

On the other hand, its a crash course in reality of just because you're right it doesn't mean anyone gives a shit
- I will make them give a shit with my loud voice and this gun I found!
So the school did its job just right then. High five, I quietly let people be wrong too.

I had an elementary school teacher who insisted that gravity came from the earth's rotation, and that if the earth stopped spinning there would be nothing holding us down.

I had a math teacher at my stem highschool claim that the touch screens on the ipads worked by heat and that if you touch them too much the screen will get too warm and stop responding
She also told students their computer was slow because they had too many desktop shortcuts, or hadn't emptied their "trash" files.
There was also an argument we had over whether something was actually a 3d vector or multiple 2d vectors but I don't wanna dredge my memories for the exact details, it was dumb.
- So, there is some jank in how Microsoft handles the desktop that results in more shortcuts on in using more resources. It always has to have all the images and icons loaded at all times.
  But with the increases in baseline RAM I'd be shocked to find anyone with more than 4GB experiencing slowdown from it, even in the most extreme situations.
  Similar thing with trash/recycling bin. Are you already low on storage space? Then yeah, clean it so your PC has enough spare space to work, or to use for swap (effectively extra, slower RAM by way of using drive space). But that was also far more likely to be a problem on the old drives measured in MB.
- I had a math teacher at my stem highschool claim that the touch screens on the ipads worked by heat and that if you touch them too much the screen will get too warm and stop responding
  I think the only way this could be any stupider is if she said it has cameras under the screen looking for where your fingers go.
I had an 8th grade social studies teacher/football coach tell us black people had an extra bone in their leg and that's why they were so good at sports. He was pretty well liked teacher tbh, we watched Oliver Stones "JFK" in his class. During lectures he'd come around and sit on the front of his desk to seem more relatable. He ended up on the school board eventually.
- dam, that teacher probably invented a new more racist theory of why the NBA is majority African American
If anything would it not be the opposite due to centrifugal force? The faster the earth spins, the more you should be pushed away.
funnily enough i've heard people say the same thing irl
it kinda baffled me how people would even think that way
Did your teacher believe in the hollow Earth theory?
- She clearly had no idea which way the vectors point on the outside of a spinning sphere
  I wonder if she ever played on a roundabout, being spun fast enough that holding on is barely enough

I can believe this. Not fake, not gay. The math teaching of the past was so dumb. Even now, I have 2 kids who never got a bad math teacher and still love math; two who did (one teacher who actually thought women ought not get higher education) and those two do not

And a good math teacher is a treasure beyond words. Mr. Galing, if I could have had you teach my kids through high school I would have taken them anywhere.

how many kids do you have?
- 4 I gave birth to plus 5 step kids - when we married 3 were already grown and 4 were in high school, only 2 were small (and we doubled up on birth control) so we didn't have an impossible household situation. Enough kids to draw conclusions about the school system though.
- How many loaves of bread have you eaten?

Me, but it's a job site and the teacher is my manager and I'm 28. Had a possibility to leave in contrast to this 7 years old child

You got a trade? Self employment is a wonderful thing, lemme tell you
- Can confirm. Nothing beats not having a boss.

I still remember my teacher bitching me out in front of the class when we were learning negative numbers because when he asked me how I figured out the correct answer I said that the positive numbers and negatives cancelled each other out. Like -4 and positive 5, the negative 4 cancels out 4 on the positive side and you are left with 1. Maybe that wasn't the correct verbiage but it gave me the correct answer every time. He was a dick about correcting me though.

You understood numbers intuitively and that piece of shit could not even comprehend that someone can understand it this way.

The bajillion stories in the comments about horrible experiences with math just reinforce the fact that I've made the right career choice.

I became an elementary teacher as a second career specifically because so many elementary teachers are absolutely terrible at teaching math. (Mostly because they don't actually understand the math that they're teaching. In my university cohort, almost 50% of my classmates failed the math entrance exam the first time. There was nothing more complex than 5th grade math on that test.)

Students should be allowed to use the strategies that work for them, and they should definitely never be punished for knowing math from higher grade levels.

If a student in my class knows something more advanced, I will challenge them to use grade-level-appropriate strategies to prove that their answers are correct. And if they demonstrate that they can do both, I'll give them more advanced work to help them grow.

There's good out there too. I was good at maths in school and was encouraged to do more advanced stuff
Seeing several of the most brain-dead people I knew in high school going into teaching really made me lose a little respect for teachers. Don't get me wrong, I've had some great teachers, but this really explains all the shitty ones.

Maaaaaan, I've been holding this in for almost 3 decades and it's time to vent lol..

When I was in ~~middle-school~~ (lol) primary school we were doing a quiz on space and the Earth and I recall the question: how long is a year?

I'd remember reading in my "Magic School Bus" book that a year is closer to ~365.25 (that's where we get the extra day in the leap years) and the class and teacher mocked me for not putting 365. I'm still salty about it!

Had a similar experience in what I think must have been my second year of primary school.

I was asked to go through a math problem that was written out, something like "4 + 7 = ?".

I said "Four plus seven equals eleven".

The teacher said that was wrong and said "Four add seven is eleven".

I'm like, what is the difference? She says, we aren't onto "plus" and "equals" yet

Six year old me spent an unreasonable amount of time trying to figure out how their was some difference between plus and add. She just could have said "they are the same, but please use these words to describe them in our lessons".

The other children are not familiar with that concept yet. Saying that will confuse them!
They have to be taught step by step.

"Impossible" would be a more mathematically accurate answer than "zero".

It's not a matter of accuracy even, if for any two natural numbers x < y it holds x - y = 0 then x = y, which is a contradiction. So this is basic consistency requirement, basically sabotaging any effort to teach kids math.
- Depends on how your mathematical system is defined. In the mathematics system this teacher is using, negative numbers simply do not exist. The answer to 5-6 is the same as 5/0: NaN. Is this mathematical system incomplete? Yes. But, as has been thoroughly proven, there is no such thing as a complete mathematical system.
Yea, or “the first twenty are free but the remaining five you don’t have to give are a problem”.

School nearly managed to kill my curiosity.

Nooo you can't learn about this physics stuff, you haven't learned the math yet.

Yes, that's a great question, hold it until next school year.

No, I can't explain that, it's not part of the subject matter.

I had one really good high school science teacher. He pushed the school to start a class with the curriculum of "what do y'all wanna learn." I have never cared more about learning than trying to wrap my head around special relativity and the constant speed of light, or building rube goldbergs on the lab tables in the back. Imagine: kids want to enjoy learning! Fucking WOW! (little bit of spite there at the end)
Sounds like you had lame ah teachers. Some of my would take the time to explain relevant future concepts
In my school, the teachers would stop to listen to me retell complete sci-fi bullshit from the Discovery chanel.
They thought I was smart, because I liked watching that...haha...
Yeah, teachers should absolutely prioritize the kids that are a bit ahead over the majority of kids /s
- I see your point but since I'm talking from my perspective, it would have done a lot if I wasn't actively held back just because it didn't fit my teachers' schedule or whatever.
- yeah, but they shouldn't hold the class back because of the idiots either

One day I'm going to frame a coloured drawing I still have from year one. The following event is also still ingrained in my mind: We had to colour in a picture with several animals, one of which was a small spotted reptile in a puddle of water. Clearly a salamander.

The teacher crossed it out in red pen and screamed that I am old enough to know lizards are green and there is no such thing as a black and yellow animal on this earth.

I know this is about reptiles and amphibians, but uh...bees, wasps, and hornets would like to meet this teacher and have a...pointed...conversation with them before the spotted salamander walks all over the afflicted areas.
- I'm pretty sure she didn't consider those to be animals, only "bugs"

Americanized versioned, but with a match teacher it went something like this:

Teacher: Whoever can solve this will get an A.

me: I have a solution.

Teacher: come out and explain it.

Me: I do just that.

Teacher: that is correct, but you didn't use the method we just learned, no A, sit down.

No Child Allowed To Be Ahead

My English-as-second-language teacher hated me because I kept correcting her spelling and vocabulary. But it was okay because I hated her right back and took every opportunity to annoy her (for the sake of rigorous accuracy, of course). Fortunately she couldn't actually harm or sabotage me because I aced almost all of my tests and had good scores in national ESL competitions, and a sudden drop in grades would likely have been too obvious.

The point where I'd had enough was a test about the anatomy of vehicles. She had crossed out my answer to "left side of a ship" because I'd written port or larboard (not that I expected someone with a master's diploma to know the etymology of nautical terms, or not to confuse larboard with starboard because they looked similar), but what made my blood fucking boil was when she crossed out my answers of hood and trunk because I'd used the American words instead of the British bonnet and boot, and when I pointed out that she'd marked those same answers as correct in others' tests, she went back and fucking changed the scores on the other tests. I told her it was "deplorable conduct for a teacher" (approximate translation, and as polite as I was going to get that day) and she dragged me to the principal for disrupting the class.

That was the third year of high school (I think "junior" is the American equivalent). I took an option to graduate one year early from ESL, in part out of spite. I'm sure she was glad to be rid of me.

I knew "larboard" and "starboard" and the names of individual sails from Assassin's Creed 4. Much of my vocabulary comes from games (including some Russian from STALKER, Metro, and MGSV).

edit: A resurfaced memory! Still regarding sailing -- she thought "in distress" meant that things were calm and safe because "di-stress" was the opposite of "stress". I swear I'm not making this shit up!

this reminds me of a time (similar situation, english as a second language, and i knew english better than the english teacher) the teacher was talking about past tense, and trying to find a word that ends with a "y" to show an example of adding "ed" to the end.
the example? buy turning into buyed. i corrected her, saying the past tense of buy was bought. she gave another example: fly turning into flyed. i corrected her again, saying it was flew, but she just gave up and used flyed as the example anyway
- When we started learning about past tense (primary school, probably 6th year, amazing teacher), the first thing we learned was a list of irregular verbs. We spent at least a week just memorizing them before the regular -d/-ed verbs were even mentioned. I'd like to think it was a deliberate choice, to condition us to consider irregular verbs first when using past tense.
  That same teacher also taught us how to write and read the international phonetic alphabet. Again, she was amazing.
this is all really surprising. what were the native languages here? it was in the uk right?
- Europe, but not an English-speaking country. No native speakers were involved.

Similarly I got accused of plagiarism in ninth grade on a 3 page essay, because I used big words.

This was before the days of the internet. I suppose I could have used something like Encarta, but I don’t even remember if you could copy and paste into ClarisWorks from it, and it was about a fictional book we’d read anyway.

My brother got accused by the same teacher 3 years later. He had an even better vocabulary than me and went on to study theoretical physics.

I had so many experiences like that. I was a voracious reader as a kid. I was reading books in English (my second language) about topics such as aeronautics and space exploration. I was reading far, far above the level of any classmates. And that lead persisted all through college.
Every time a new teacher would give us an essay assignment, I’d get called out to stay after class once they graded it. And they’d casually accuse me of plagiarism.
My usual response? Quiz me, right the fuck now, on any paragraph you want from that 20 page paper. And ask me the definition of any word you’re unfamiliar with. That shut them up right quick.
A large vocabulary is its own reward, but not so much when those who’re supposed to teach you are lacking in that department.
- My reading journey mirrors yours. When I entered the professional workforce, I was consistently met with vacant stares when I'd use whatever words I thought perfectly fit whatever I was describing. I came to find that using "big" words like that (examples I can recall: superfluous, inimical, vacuous, cogent, avuncular) made people think I was trying to show I was better than them. I had to pare my verbal vocabulary back to the most basic form so I could do my actual job.
  Granted, I was in a "white collar" job surrounded by blue collar folks.

I had a similar experience with square roots, writing both the positive and negative answers. It's wild for a teacher to actively reject correct answers because "that's not what we learned today" (the negative answers, in my case).

That's bs and also reminds me of a joke about two mathematicians at a bar:
I am like not really well informed about this but wasn't the square root symbol thingy (√ <- this one) always set to give the positive root? And the power of 1/2 would give both the positive and negative?
- Yes, it is positive, and power 1/2 is, too. Two solutions emerge from solving equations, even primitive ones, like x^2 = C.
- I had to look it up and it looks like you're right. If only my teacher had spent any effort at all explaining that.

You've got some weird teachers. My teachers were all pretty keen to nurture curiosity. When we'd just learned about combustion and how fire needs oxygen, I asked my teacher after the lesson about the sun and how it could be burning without oxygen, and she just explained nuclear fusion and what the sun actually was, and that the words "burning ball of gas" is a bit of a misnomer because that's not what's happening.

Yeah, my public schools were considered some of the better ones in the country, and Im quite sure any of the teachers would just use that as a launching point, or at least give a cursory explanation and say it'll be covered later. So this a good example of the differences.

God that teachers dumb.. Why even as the question? Why not just do 20 - 20 if you are going to be upset when a kid knows the answer. Simple! Don't ask questions you don't want the correct answers to. Teaching kids the wrong answers only messes them up the next year when they have to unlearn the bullshit you taught them.

Let that be a lesson. Truth comes from authority, not the evidence of your senses.

At the written maths finals in my country there's first a timebox where the teacher goes through all tasks to make sure that everyone understands what is asked. During that portion the headmaster is present and students are allowed to ask questions. After that the headmaster leaves and nobody is allowed to talk any more.

So the teacher shows us this one task, and it's a 3D geometry task. I look through it and notice that there's one angle missing. There's an infinite number of correct solutions with the given requirements. So I raise my hand and ask about that.

My teacher looks straight past me at the back wall of the classroom, completely stone faced and says "I am sure that the requirements are complete. They cannot be incomplete." I hold my tongue.

As soon as the headmaster leaves, my teacher all but runs up to my desk and asks me what he missed.

Turns out, I was right and he just put a random number on the chalkboard to be used as the missed requirement.

If he had admitted in front of the headmaster that the requirements were incomplete, then the whole maths finals would have to be postponed and redone.

I switched from a French immersion to an English school in grade 3, so pretty much coasted French class until one day we were doing some exercise where we would say our names. Friends name is Green and he read it out as Verde. The teacher was ecstatic, praising him for a job well done. Of course I knew this was incorrect that you don't translate proper names and kept trying to correct them. I argued so vehemently that I got suspended for the day. Still hate French to this day.

Verde is Spanish
- Haha wow, learning Spanish now so it must be taking over
It's a weird coincidence how ofter this happens with kids and French teachers. I know at least 3 other people who have been through similar stuff and it happened to me too and we've all been to different schools

Oof, i can feel anon. Actually true probably, similar stuff happened to me. Also getting this writte in as bad behaviour as well. I started so many arguments with teachers because they were bullshitting. Maths is one thing, i was really into it as a child(still am) but i understand why a teacher has to teach things in order. Of course this could be solved with more resources, and more importantly, distrobuting resources better by having a bit more personalized education. But what i was on about is that its very common(in eastern europe at least) for teachers to spread actual complete fucking bullshit. The amount of times they took disciplinary action against me because i corrected their batshit insane claims is just sad. This mainly happened until 5th and 6th grade where i got to the conclusion that just discussing what we covered during the class, after the class, was a good way of clearing up the mess. Of course i knew way too much for a 10 year old(had an autistic sister who loved to infodump me, we still engage in it time to time ^_) but the point is that if a 10 year old is constantly correcting his teachers theres a problem in the system. I hoped that more western systems would be better but actually i dont see (sweden in my case) being much better for children even with everyone hyping it up. Well sorry for the rant, idk what could actually solve these problems exactly as im not an expert but i really hope we adress it one day...

Reminds me of a time where I shortened the code for pointers in c++ at age 15, so quite old, and my teacher said it wouldn't work (we didn't have computers in that class, next class we would type the code and execute it in computer lab). Anyway I said it'd work, he said it would never work, I said well we can test it next class and teacher said we can't waste time in computer lab like that, and I said I will ask principal for extratime in computer lab after school to prove that my code works. I got sent to principals office anyway for rude and unruley behavior and not only did I get scolded for trying to embarrass my teacher, I wasn't granted extra time in the lab either. Next time in lab I managed to write the shorter code and get same results and I called teacher to show my code works, he just unplugged the cable and sent me to principals office again.
Luckily this time they called my parents and my mom unleashed hell on them threatening with talking to press and media and name and shame the teacher and principal for being stupider than a student is when they stopped harassing me.
And I quit paying attention in that class, I got bad marks for low class participation but hey I had already stopped giving fucks at that point.
- Ohh lol i just wrote c instead of c++. It was so low level anyway that i could just write clean c and it usually compiled as c++. But thst was already in highschool for me where they actually gave a fuck about us unlike in primary.

Ah I recall my "science" teacher when I was 13 explaining to us that all materials expand when heated and shrink when cooled.

So I ask how ice floats, or how ice cubes swell above the tray.

And a good teacher would have told you that water freezing is one of the weird cases, as water has a less dense solid form than its liquid form. Although even water is less dense at 2° than at 20°

Did I write this fucking greentext and then forgot or something, because this exact same thing happened to me, except they took my yugioh cards, not pokemon csrds

If I didn't learn to shut the fuck up and keep my head down, it would have happened to me, too.
Did you change it to pokemon cards to protect your identity?

Man... This sucks. I can't believe how many lemmings have had similar experiences. I'm just remembering one now where I was excited about math, went ahead in the curriculum to fractions, and answered everything in ratios. Instead of the teacher seeing the simple mistake, I just remember them being "wrong". How deflating.

Kids need connection before correction. I'm sort of glad my kid is glued to a screen doing adaptive math. It sucks in its own way, but better than unfeeling correction. Though, at least in my district, there's a big emphasis on empathy development so I think the teachers try to model that.

Are fractions not ratios?? I continue to be perplexed by the oddity of bad teachers' thinking :(
- I think I used ratio sytax and did it a little differently (A:B vs A/(A+B)) So if someone ate 5 of the 8 pizza slices, it was expected to be expressed as 5/8. What I did was express it as 5:3, 5 eaten and 3 uneaten.
  For as salient as this memory was, she was an otherwise sweet and wonderful teacher. I still remember her fondly despite my genuine dismay at trying and getting a red marked sheet back.

I would understand "unsolvable" or something but 0 just hurts. Later you learn to specify "within natural numbers" and it's totally reasonable to stay within the number range you have learned so far and it would be fine to tell the kid "you're not wrong but let's keep it simple". Just don't teach things they have to unlearn later.

My brother was in a similar situation where he said the square root of -1 is i and the teacher was impressed and it was discussed as a positive thing at home

Speaking of not teaching things kids have to unlearn later, I've often wondered why we don't just start teaching math with the expectation that you solve for "x".
i.e. Instead of

2 + 3 =
Write

2 + 3 = x
This would prime the child to expect that math is about finding an unknown and you've already introduced the unknown that will be most prominent in their academic career. This will also reduce the steps necessary when teaching how to balance an equation as you no longer have the "well actually you were always solving for 'x' we just didn't write it, so you didn't know, also we're never going to use 'x' for multiplication again." stage.
But I'm not a teacher, parent, or child psychologist and this is just my blathering hypothesis based on watching my peers struggle with math for years.
- The former has the advantage that you can just write the answer in the same line on the worksheet. But you could maybe introduce the latter early as an interim stage to avoid learning everything at once.
  
  2 + 3 = x x =
  Might confuse first graders but work at a later stage. My only expertise is that I'm a former child so take this with a grain of salt
- I've taken accustomed to writing
  2 + 3 = ___ or 2 + ___ = 5 and then later seamlessly transitioning to "2 + 3 = z, write down z:" or "2 + t = y, where y = 5. write down t:"
  because it just seems so natural to identify these letters with natural things, such as numbers of beer bottles or cookies. kids typically giggle over these things because they think i'm making it up to be funny for their entertainment.

Similar story of my own: Had a middle school computer teacher who told us to use "File -> Open URL" on Internet Explorer/Netscape (can't remember which) which opened a prompt window with a text field to enter in a URL. And I pointed out that you can just use the address bar and do the same thing and she angrily told me that I had to do it the proper way. While I thought she wasn't looking, I used the address bar anyway. She apparently had been trying to spy if I disobeyed, caught me, and told me that I failed the assignment (I did not even know I was being graded).

Another different computer teacher at my high school I had seemed to more or less admit she had no idea what she was doing (she originally taught a different subject, she seemed legitimately nervous/insecure about possibly losing her job) though she tried by just reading the text book to us verbatim for a few days. Eventually, she gave up and the students just taught each other computer stuff in her class, then when they ran out of things to teach each other they just played Age of Empires all class and the she let us.

Something about this reminds me of macOS's default Finder settings that doesn't let you manually type a path.
- This is such a strange and irritating limitation of an other great OS.

My parents got called to school more than once because i was "disruptive" and kept doing things like wandering around class talking to people or not turning up after breaks. I was bored. My parents said, if I've done the work and it's all correct can't they give me something else to do? So they made me answer the same set of questions again once I finished them.

thats how you promote and nurture aspiring gifted kids

This thread should be called "how kids get traumatized by school teachers causing them to hate school"

Anon gets traumatized by teachers

They don't pay teachers enough and sometimes it shows.

Reading these comments is bad for my health (╥﹏╥) What are the reasons for them to act this way? Seems sometimes they're just ignorant, other times definitely power tripping.

I def had some weird experiences like this in school too, though not as extreme. I had a teacher once give me a zero on an exam because I used greater than and less than symbols to describe two lines intersecting. She thought I did them all backwards. Normally I'd be too shy to push back but zero on an exam was pretty extreme so I went to discuss one on one and she basically called me dumb saying I don't know how the symbols worked (this was like 9th grade, I def did and was pretty alarmed she didn't). Finally she said fine, she'll go ask a math teacher to come explain to me in front of the class if I'm so smart. She left, was gone for like ten minutes, and came back super upset. Slams the paper on my desk in front of everyone and says something like 'fine I guess you want an A now?'. Was traumatizing. But was actually a huge teaching moment for me in that I stopped seeing teachers as things/concepts, and started seeing them as people. Same as me/my classmates/some random on the street. No one has this shit figured out. I also realized I never wanted the experience she just had, and learned to always hedge my opinions. It looks like, I think, it seems to me, etc. Has saved me from looking stupid but also encouraged those that I teach to question my dumb shit. But yeah. Teachers are just people, have you met people?
Side note my math teacher was extra nice to me that afternoon - I also learned that the teachers don't necessarily like each other either. Apparently I had helped score points for the 'not batshit insane' crew
This sounds like someone following a preprepared lesson plan without the skills or experience to adapt, and panicking.

I had a kindergarten teacher try teaching syllables by clapping them out while saying the word: 👏 ALL 👏 I 👏 GATOR! Alligator! 👏 ALL 👏 I 👏 GATOR! Three syllables.

Tried correcting her, she just clapped and said gator again.

I saw someone do this in teaching program evaluation materials once. Except the teacher did it with the word brown and stretched it into three syllables.
Br 👏 ow 👏 uh 👏 n.
I remember thinking to myself "America is doomed." Sometimes I still think about that teacher when I see people get tilted over dumb, made-up shit on social media and turn into reactionary morons around election time. Br 👏 ow 👏 uh 👏 n. America is doomed.
I mean, clapping between words (syllables in this case, but who cares) automatically makes your claims the indisputable truth. Anyone with some internet experience can tell you that.

I'm pretty sure a currently 4yo nephew of mine will suffer some sort of bullshit like that in the coming years. Little bud is already able to read big numbers like 368 (also in english no less!) and full words despite the preschool not teaching either.

Fucking hell I feel validated rn, I had a similar experience at that age but it was in language/reading class. It's so frustrating to know that you are correct but you lack the terminology/ability to properly convey why you are right.

if you had had the terminology to say it, they would probably just have gotten angry anyways over being exposed in class.
Learning vowels: aeiou and sometimes y. Ok
Quizzed on vowels "a, e, i, o, u and sometimes y"
"No psud, it's just a, e, i, o, and u"

Dude, School was the worst f'ing psyop.

Give me a straight question and answer on the material, and I'll 100% it. No, we can't do that... Here's four answers that are all technically correct, choose the MOST correct one.

Ohh so it's pros and cons of a situation and you need to pick the one with the most upsides or least downsides? No, they're all just mostly ok, but we were REALLY thinking about answer B when we wrote the question.

School is like slavery in many aspects to be honest. Though it‘s really not a physical one, but a mental one.
You can not do much without getting permission from an authority figure first, including relieving basic biological needs such as eating or using the bathroom. You are not allowed to leave the facilities without permission. You are classified into different groups based on your performance on tests, and eventually seperated based on that (usually at high school/university level). You are trained for at least 12 years in this way to obey arbitrary rules and procedures, which are designed to get you ready for the capitalist hellscape that awaits you. Some countries even use this period of time to push another agenda on you, usually one related to religion &\ nationalism. At last, you come out of it (while probably having forgotten many of the things ”taught” to you) and you are immediately put into mandatory military service, or you come to the point of needing a service job just to survive.
Autodidacticism definitely rocks, and homeschooling would be a better idea if one was qualified for it and the child's social needs could be met elsewhere.
Kinda unrelated to your example, but I just wanted to expand on your psyop comment.
- That's a solid take. The difference I’ve noticed, though everyone’s experience is different, is with homeschooling. From what I’ve seen, quite a few parents take it on despite not really being suited for it. Some seem to have their own forms of indoctrination, the kind that even public schools won’t entertain, so they choose to keep their kids out entirely.
  My son has a handful of friends who are homeschooled. (We kept him home a bit longer during Covid while he did remote learning, and he kept a lot of those friends.) His friends span the full spectrum: a couple are pretty middle-of-the-road, you’d never guess they were homeschooled. One lives under really strict, almost militant control, and another seems to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
  I hate the crap that goes on when the establishment runs the game, but I also hate what happens when nutjobs run their own game. It's like we need some kind of framework to keep everyone on the same page, where kids just learn and excel. We should get nominal discipline, learn self-control, but also not be pigeonholeed with a lot of redtape used to protect schools from legal action. Some kind of common sense brigade :)

This happened to me in 6 grade and the teacher was like annoyed bruh when I confidently raised hand to give a more accurate answer. Maybe she thought I was showing off the way she reacted

The autistic experience summarized

Same here, elementary school. Teacher: "When water boils, it produces a lot of steam." Me: "One liter of water produces 1700 liters of steam under normal pressure conditions." Teacher: "Write down: When water boils, it produces a lot of steam.".

7 when the story happened, tells it 15 years later in 2020, so I'm supposed to believe this guy is 7 - 15 + 2025 - 2020 = -3 today. Something doesn't check out about this story.

What the actual fuck.
- Seems like they had the same math teacher as Anon.

School really does prepare you for real life sometimes, it seems ...

math fraud. top kek.

If math fraud was a crime, I would be the whole Yakuza

I'll take "that happened" for 100, please.

I actually kind of believe it, because kindergarten/elementary teachers are often from arts & humanities backgrounds, and it's not at all rare to find one who never passed a high school STEM class and therefore prone to get flustered easily when called upon to explain the reasonings behind even simple things.
- Can you fail all your STEM classes and graduate high school?
I literally had that experience in grade 2. The class was asked a negative numbers question, I answered the question correctly but the answer was “impossible”. I wasn’t reamed out but I was shut down hard so I wouldn’t confuse the other kids.
Also had a similar experience. 2 of us in class knew negative numbers, teacher told us our answers are wrong and that the answer is "impossible", plus "you're not supposed to know that yet".

Failed a high school required class because I have poor writing abilities. (I word good.. just my penmanship is trash)

Literally got a 0 on a midterm because the teacher "couldn't read my writing"

Crap like the green text and my high school experience is why parents need to be involved in a child's education.

thats been 30 years ago.. I'm still bitter. But it'll make me a better father to school aged kids

Little did they know nearly no one needs to wield a pen now, or for the last couple of decades
- Yep. Computer guy now as a trade. I touch a pen maybe once every 90 days.

"youre not supposed to know that yet" then why in fucks name did you ask lady?

Never stop fighting their lies

Why are you going to be learning negative numbers while you are 8? Edit: Reading the comments I see that your schools are pretty shit compared to my public school was way better (even when the building was on the verge of collapsing for like the whole time I was there)

Wisdom is knowing when to say "fuck it" to save yourself the pain.

This or something similar has happened to everyone I know 🇨🇦

And now, I feel rage too. Be very afraid, unnamed teacher!

AI is coming for your job!

This is always the case. Whenever you deal with any educational institution, they don't want you to give them the right answer ever. They want you to give them the answer that they told you that you should give; whether it's right or wrong

Flashbacks to shitty math teachers. It was either this or "WHY DON'T YOU KNOW THIS YET!?" I quit participating and made a C for the rest of my academic career including college. I also got "I don't how you got this answer, but it's the right answer." . Hell I don't even know how I got that right answer but I refused to ask questions.

Still with the lame pokemon. Shit was lame then and is lame now.