Why do you block people?
Why do you block people?
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"why did you block me we're trying to have a debate"
"because i want to shitpost about doctor who on twitter not debate some random dick about how they think i shouldn't exist"
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As obvious and uncontroversial as this comic may seem, the message still needs to be said.
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the message still needs to be said.
No it doesn't, because this shit is just ragebait.
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How? It says nothing rageworthy
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Uh... to whom?
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As a leftist, as a progressive, I long for a world where I never have to see these comics again. It's not that I disagree with them, they're just so goddamn annoying and low hanging fruit shit
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If some rando did this exact scenario in ragemaker and posted it, with no connection to pizzacake, everyone would be talking about how relatable it is. I'd wager you'd be included in that 'everyone'.
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And then if that rando did it every day for like five years, I'd get tired of their shit too.
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Well that's kind of the point. It's low hanging fruit because everyone agrees with it. No one thinks you are obligated to argue with others, which is the straw man's position. It's not that you don't have a right to block critics, the question is "When is it a good idea?".
It sounds like a lot of people think the author does it too liberally, which can lead to an echo chamber. Most people would say creating a lawsuit against your critics is also an overreaction, but people have also been saying she gets harassed a lot. That makes it more reasonable if true.
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I've never blocked anyone. 14 years of reddit and now Lemmy and there has never been a reason to. I find it weird when people do it.
I get it if someone is harrasing you, but an anonymous disagreement? Meh, whatever. If I am done I just quit responding and move on.
I suppose being online since the 80's gives you a little bit of perspective. Don't feed the trolls, everyone is a liar, and nothing anyone says matters unless you want it to.
And never use social media.
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I block people liberally. I agree 100% with the comic. And blocking idiots is good for my health.
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I have seen people have some obnoxious weird idea about one thing and be brilliant about another. Not everyone, some are just trolls, but some people are really. Good at something interesting and have stupid ideas about others.
I am not so quick to just write everyone off, but I also find it easy to just not read things I don't care about.
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Anybody who immediatelly starts insulting others gets blocked.
I'm not interested in watching somebody's public self-masturbation shows: insulting others achieves nothing but give those doing the insulting the pleasure of thinking that they're hurting others - it won't convince the person they're replying to and it won't convince the audience (since an insult is as much an argument for a viewpoint as a punching somebody's face), so directly insulting random strangers is only for the pleasure of those doing it.
Further, people whose default reaction to disagreeing with others is to try and hurt them don't really deserve any of my time.
Being deep down in an argument, losing one's patience and ending up throwing insults is one thing, just being obnoxious and insulting from the get go is something else altogether and betrays a very different kind of character, one that there is no point in listening to.
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If you never had to block anyone, you might be in a more lucky spot. Just because you don't have or see a problem, does not mean the problem does not exist. Just a reminder.
It's the same as with racism, for example. If you're not part of a minority, or hide it well enough, you don't see the racism.
Or so I've heard. I'm also in a lucky spot.
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I’m like @AugustWest@lemm.ee on the no-blocking-ever front.
None of us want Lemmy to be a Nazi bar, right? So if we see a Nazi on here and all of us block them today, they can circlejerk in a comment tomorrow and a newly registered user will see no one downvoted them or called them out.*
As a privileged person, I feel an obligation not to block anyone, and even feel I’m abdicating my duty a little by not browsing logged out sometimes to make sure Nazis can’t block me and spread hate without counterpoints lodged against them.
*would a “widely-blocked user” tag help? Not if they create a new account after every other post, & scummy users could mitigate by proactively blocking using “SJW user” lists, but it’s an idea
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Yeah, same here. I just don't see the need to block people. Some might have a different opinion on one topic than me, but be no in agreement or have something worthwile to say on another.
If I was activly harassed or anything, I'd use the block function to protect myself from that. Never had to do that so far.
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I got some of the stalinist people like cowbee blocked because they are extremely annoying.
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dude.
it's not that you're older and wiser and young people don't get it.
it's that you don't understand how badly women get treated online. we have to block people so our inboxes don't become steady torrents of hatred and abuse.
there's your damn perspective. it's not the 80s internet anymore, try to catch up with the rest of us in the modern age.
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it’s that you don’t understand how badly women get treated online
I do understand that but:
I was talking about Reddit, and Lemmy I guess. I did say NO social media, just never do it. You don't know my gender, I ignore direct messages, and if it actually got annoying, these accounts are meaningless. I would just make another.
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The only weirdo I know that blocks people left and right is one that signs every comment with a "no AI license" thingy. Anyone that correctly comments how that's useless/pointless because bots ignore that is blocked
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i laugh every time i see that guy, it's like the lemmy equivalent of seeing a car with one of those bogus sovcit license plates.
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Honestly I've come around on pizzacake. I now think it's actually an impressive artistic feat to make a successful webcomic where your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman.
It's like social commentary on social commentary, wrapped in countless layers of irony and meta, right?
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I also just generally like the Mary Sue nature of drawing yourself into your own comics and making yourself look good under all circumstances. It really communicates a lack of narcissism and arrogance.
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I like how you sarcasm.
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Well, same way Stormtroopers wear helmets. You can’t really individualize them or people start to appreciate them and root for them, like they do every villain.
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Freedom of Speech != Obligation to Listen
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Yeah and it goes both ways. She can post her crap, and haters can hate. She can ignore them and they choose not to ignore her. That's where the conflict comes in.
The whole DMCA thing only made it worse. She exposed herself as a target for hatred and the haters love nothing more than for the enemy to expose their glowing weak point to shoot at.
But that's because if we want copyright and parody to coexist, they need to have limits. Parody gets a blanket license to reuse source material endlessly unless you can justify the expense of an attorney to hit a moving target that may be made from hundreds of individuals mocking your content. That's kind of shitty and almost impossible to defend against. It's like how you can't copyright a tweet because it is too short. But you should be able to copyright a body of tweets because aggregated they are (checks notes) not too short. In her case the bonehurtingjuice community turned into an active troll campaign to target every one of her comics to harass and demean her.
So in this case I do think the internet trolls on bhj were shitheads and were in the wrong. Even if that coexists with my opinion that her comics kind of suck. And frankly I think the current legal system is at fault for not having adapted to coordinated trolling. She's probably going to get killed by one of those gamergate nutjobs now that she's been doxxed.
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The issue with doxxing that really frustrates me as a coder is that individual developers and companies are never held responsible for making negligently insecure software.
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So I'm fully expecting a big reaction given how much of a reaction this comic always provokes, I'm not a huge fan of pizzacake's art style or the whole negativity around it but I also haven't found a way to just filter it out without blocking the whole instance. I'm not attacking anyone though, you keep on enjoying this if you like, I'm just putting my thoughts out and I might just be missing an option.
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Tell me about it. I don't need this bland-millenial-shouting-about-their-extremely-standard-lives fodder.
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I blocked her on reddit and it was good for a while.
But now people are reposting here :<
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Yup I'm in agreement. Yes this is the comic strip sub, but this literally offers nothing of entertainment or comedy value at all. Plus why tf is this marked NSFW??? In reference to your question maybe block the User?
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As the OP mentioned, this is the 1st time they posted this artist. If there was a single dedicated account posting PC comics, that would work, but not in this context.
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Why is this nsfw?
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Try blocking your boss and see how it goes
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Be normal on the internet about a female artist you don't like challenge (impossible).
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I didn't enjoy the comic. Coincidentally, the author may be female.
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Lol yepp
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Why did you tag NSFW
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Why nsfw?
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The word "bullshit." I usually like to err on the side of caution with this stuff.
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No need here. Fuck, shit, piss, Satan, broccoli, gay butt sex.
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.......you can fucking curse on the fucking internet, asshole! What fucking kind of shitty bullshit do you think will happen if you piss off some cocksucking dickhead by saying shit?
Here, I'm going to do this shit for you. Just for you, I'm going to curse for you on the god damned internet. Get ready for this shit. Are you ready for me to fucking curse? Ok. Here we go!
Fudge.
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you should've just censored the word and then let everyone complain about that, it means more engagement
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Holy fucking shit, did you just fucking curse on the internet. Eveyone know you cant fucking do that without the internet police coming to your home to beat your ass. Never fucking do that again you shit
/s (if its not obvious)
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The irony of THIS comic is, you could apply that argument to every single opinion in existence.
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The online comment context and usage of "Why won't you debate, are you scared" suggests the response is directed at online trolls, people who argue in bad faith, and imperiously demand rigourous debate without offering the same let alone an ounce of intellectual generosity, i.e. sealioning. In contrast, something like a movie review is a structured evaluation is still an opinion, but it doesn't deride readers for not engaging with it.
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I DON'T OWE YOU AN AUDIENCE FOR YOUR ANNOYING BULLSHIT
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I wish blocking also prevented them from viewing my posts
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I wish that too, but I understand why it isn't. Opens the blocking mechanism up to abuse.
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It’s really obnoxious on tumblr.
Someone says something factually incorrect (usually about trans people, usually a “detrans lesbian” who is most certainly a 21 year old cis man alternating between /pol/ and tumblr). Just straight up lies. You call them out, they block you, and then continue posting lies.
I get blocking as a tool for mental health, avoiding harassment, keeping one’s sanity - but it’s problematic when blocks are used to hide lies.
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Extremely obnoxious on Reddit. That is a massive strategy people use, insulting someone and then blocking them so they can't reply, or even report
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I’ll block anybody I see posting ai crap regularly. I want to see as little of that garbage as possible.
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it's annoying when power users contribute 90% quality content and 10% slop
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I block the losers posting AI slop. Can't force me to look at that trash.
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Nobody is changing their mind from modern debates online. We are in a culture of anti-intellectualism. So there really is no point. I only block if someone is annoying or there is no point in engagement.
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the basic and long forgotten sloga. Of "don't feed the trolls"
I accept opinions other than my own, but if there is no sincere commitment from the other, why bother. Don't feed the trolls.
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We really should have never moved from that mindset. Now it is people rage baiting with actual trauma for money or the love of the game. 🥲
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I don't think that's 100% true though. I've changed my mind several times but these talks needs both parties to argue in good faith not just throwing stones at each other.
The main issue with main areas where this happens is because the communication tools are incredibly limited on purpose. Its impossible to have a conversation on Instagram, twitter or tiktok or even Facebook comments. And that's done on purpose - isn't that crazy?
on the other hand, I generally really like discussions on hacker news because everyone at least pretends to approach in good faith and the discussion culture is quite professional. There are several small communities on the web that function this way and it really works!
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That's not true.
...On the other hand, I largely feel it's not worth any effort unless its a passion/niche, where one has an outsized effect.
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The Alt text on this is really well done. I'm going to use it as my example when I berate folks for not doing it.
Lovely. Thanks!
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I appreciate that, thank you!
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“You don’t bother me so much that I made a whole comic about you and how you don’t bother me and I don’t owe you anything.” It’s performative for the sake of attention. There’s no content to this, just narcissism.
how is this different in that respect? why is Pizzacake's comic narcissist but Gretchen's isn't?
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she does make flat, tepid, sometimes relateable, utterly forgettable comics. i saw her in my feed every day for years and simply scrolled past without issue, the way i do with all the content i'm not interested in and none of it affects my life for having scrolled past. i think it sucks, but i also think Cathy sucks and Cathy makes more money than i'll ever see because someone out there likes it and wants to see it. Same on reddit, it's upvoted because someone there likes it.
in addition, there exists for some stupid ass redditor-brained reason a hate subreddit for this woman who makes subpar comics and posts them on the internet. they have a megathread of Reasons PizzaCake Is A Morally Repugnant Human Being And You Should Hate Her With A White Hot Passion Too. i skimmed the first few bullet points and it felt like a copy-paste of gamergate allegations. i stopped when it turned into outright slutshaming because fuck's sake the hell do some lewd pics have to do with her art and comedy being bad?
this comic ain't about one dude, he's generic and unfinished because he represents a lot of dudes committing a lot of harassment that is invisible to us, except through her public reactions.
i've only been harassed by one jerk at a time on redit and that was a nightmarish experience. she has a whole nakedly misogynistic hate sub after her, I can't imagine what her DMs look like. can you see where this comic might be about her feeling some stress in that situation? this comic isn't funny and the artwork isn't great, but does it not express a fantasy that each and every one of us has had?
why on earth does making art about your feelings and sharing it with the world make you a narcissist? be reasonable, apply a scant bit of empathy and you might start to see a human being where the internet told you there's a monster.
and yes, her art sucks and her jokes are unfunny. the internet is huge and we all suck at most things, who in their right mind cares?
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Generally, here there's less annoying people, and I'm less likely to see a dipshit again, so I don't block much.
On tumblr and mastodon? Anyone who's slightly annoying gets blocked.
edit: seeing some of the comments here has me rethinking this.
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Maybe I should block more. People say you only need to block like five users to drastically improve your Lemmy experience.
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It's really crazy how internet regressed in this regard. "Don't feed the troll" is been the moto of the web but not it's almost inverse. People try to justify this as justice seeking but its clearly doesn't work.
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It's because of engagement algorithms, partially. Unlike 'dumb' forums/boards, the bulk of the modern internet heavily rewards trolling (and engaging with trolls) in every form.
That, and very little community moderation.
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God I love the profit driven nature of the modern Internet that relies on engagement-by-any-means-necessary. I love it sssooooo mmuuuucchhh
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Man all get comics these days seem to be mostly about people bothering her online. I get the desire to vent that frustration but it's been a while since I've seen anything else.
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She has posted a lot about other stuff, I don't see that many about this myself.
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Maybe it's my feed or something. I'm glad it's not just rant posting.
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it all made sense when i found a link to the hate sub, she's got a mob on her ass
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Block? Lmao
report post to admins
keep chatting until the entire thread gets removed
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people who complain about blocking generally existing are the worst. just advertise to the world that you're upset that it's harder to harass people.
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Gosh I really don't like this art style but it's better than whatever I can draw so whatever.
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Pizza Cake's art style is at least better than their humour. Absolute garbage comedic insight.
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lol just say they're wrong and platform your own position
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What is incredibly toxic is insulting someone and then blocking them, so they can't defend themselves.
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Doesn't work on lemmy.
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Pretty much.
Would the same anti-block people be okay with people showing up to their house, job, or on the street to argue about some stupid point? Why is it okay on social media? You have the right to tell people to go fuck off, it's called the 1st amendment.
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Just did that a minute ago.
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I block people mostly because I don't want to upvote anything they have to say in the future. Usually because something they have said to me or someone else is so egregious that I don't care to know what else they might say.
The other reason comes down to harassment, or deliberate misuse of tags.
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That's why I used the Enhancement extension when I was on Reddit. I could just tag some one with "Fuckhead" and toss them a down vote if I ever saw them again.
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why do you ask? spam mainly
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I don't give a damn about your argument, you're taking the web too serious. That's why i block yo ass because if you stopped being annoying i would just ignore you.
But alas you got nothing better to do, so it's a block.
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Man, this post gave me so many new people to block!
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Double benefit from my perspective. I block people for three reasons, they are not mutually exclusive. Willful stupidity and being argumentative. If someone refuses to learn objective truth or insists I believe their objectively wrong position I have no need to interact with them in the future. I’m done with them. The third reason is getting the last word, myself or them. I have a hard time shutting up sometimes, so if someone meets either of the above criterial and has to continue to keep commenting on any rebuttal I make I just block them. There’s no reason to allow myself to continue the interaction, and the other person has no interest in a good faith discussion.
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the actual annoying self righteous borderline narcissist shit that should be left on reddit is all the whining and bitching about how the content of the post doesn't appeal to certain people. it's been at the top for two straight days y'all. it's popular, we fucks with it. deal or go away, nobody cares.
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I don't block people unless it's an emergency
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Really its the same as meatspace. You don't hang with folks you don't like or take phone calls from them. My dream is a block thats symetrical. Blocking is in some ways creepy because its only one way.
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I'd frame it more as 'a comic artist is not spreading normative ideas. They're just using the ideas people already have and juxtaposing them to get a laugh. They aren't there for debate because no one should be taking a comic artist's ideas that seriously. e.g. Dilbert guy'
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I don't mind pizzacake commics, but at this point just seeing the art style is enough to get me pre-emptivly upset at how stupid and insane the comment section is going to be.
I see it and just sigh because I know nobody will talk about the actual comic it will just be about how shitty of a person she is for X reason.
I’m out of the loop, what’s the pizza cake drama?
I'm unfamiliar, this is the first thing of hers I've encountered and I thought it fun enough to post here. Is there one of those Reasons people don't like her?
I'm here to tell you I just dislike the comic itself, I don't even know about any controversy. I see that shit, I close it and downvote. Nearly as bad as Family Circus.
Yeah. I recommend a drink.
That's why I blocked her.
Same. I have no problem with her or her comics. But whenever I see one being posted, I sigh and ponder whether to open the clusterfuck that the comment section will be.
take it from someone who knew better and did it anyway, don't engage the clusterfuck.
right? pizzacake isn't high quality or anything but there's far worse that gets posted and nobody bats an eye about it. i found the pizzacake hater sub on reddit, they have a big sticky with all the reasons they hate her and it's pretty much just a wall of triggered incel shit. i'm not sure what she did to amass such a hate following beyond being an opinionated woman with a comic strip on the internet- oh wait that's definitely it isn't it?