Some light genocide
Some light genocide
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Centrists - making the world a friendlier place for fascism since forever.
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Center left can exist because left/right is relative. They're ignorant to the fact that politicians to the left of them often achieve those center left wing policies in practice, while they often achieve pure centrism. Radical left wing change is harder than radical right wing change, so we need to push as left as possible
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Guess I'm a leftist then (I'm literally pro monarchy)
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Centrist is picking and choosing from each side, not doing a little of everything.
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I'm also picking and choosing from each side, which is why I'm a leftist. Does that make me a centrist?
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And always picking genocide from the political salad bar.
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I can't believe someone with an anime profile picture isn't spouting bigoted nonsense.
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I usually see anime profile pics submitting code to Linux open source projects.
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anime pfps are one of the only valid demonstrations of horseshoe theory
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Like they said, bigoted nonsense
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That's because it's a Nichijou anime profile picture. That's a green flag in my book.
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all I hear is helvetica standard
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But nonsense nonetheless.
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refreshing
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so misrepresenting centrism is not bigotry? which dictionary are you using?
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A little genocide never killed anyone.
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THANK YOU
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Those crows were circling.
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Interesting how everyone seems to think this tweet from 2018 seems to refer to th situation in Gaza in 2023.
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Right?! When I posted it, I was making a statement about enlightened centrism and not even thinking about the Gaza situation. Instead of genocide you can insert any morally abhorrent thing that should not be tolerated. But I get why people think it's related, it's on everyone's mind. Thank you for noticing though.
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I mean, it's not like we haven't seen this kind of discussion in regards to Gaza.
The knee-jerk reactions in this threat are quite telling.
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To be fair, the situation in Gaza isn't new and was probably the same in 2018
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Sure but by that logic anything anybody ever said during my entire lifetime could be a reference to Gaza.
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Are you 'murican? I don't think the rest of the world agrees on any of the US's "definitions" of left, right and liberal. From a European POV, the US democrats are really, really far to the right. Sanders might be leaning toward the center. The republicans are a strange mixture of libertarian regarding economical matters and very very right-wing/intrusive on personal matters. Whenever someone even mentions/comments other people's sexual orientation and identity I automitcally assume they are creep that wants to sniff other people's bedsheets. How can you be partly libertarian and also creepily nazi-intrusive? US-republican invention I can't wrap my head around, that is.
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Do your bedsheets smell good?
Sniff sniff.
Edit: Please don't kink shame.
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Europeans are like vegans and Arch users, but somehow even less funny
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American politics amounts to geriatric seals barking at each other. There's nothing complicated going on.
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Sanders might be leaning towards the center
The guy is a self-avowed socialist, what do mean "Leaning toward the center"?
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i hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of leftists that are very comfortable with genocide.
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I don't see tankies/red-browns are leftists. Ultimately they overwhelmingly support authoritarian dictatorships, and that just doesn't feel very lefty for me
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How often do you see these views in daily media? Cause I see right-wing rhetoric that's pretty fucked up on TV and in newspaper and on the streets. but I only see tankies in the most forgotten corners of the internet.
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They called themselves "France insoumise" here, and they are numerous!
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If social "media" falls under daily media, then I see it all the time. Go on X. Or Reddit. Or Instagram. or TikTok. It's not hard to find some pretty radical leftist opinions in popular spaces nowadays, and like most spaces centered around radical ideology, you'll get some genocide deniers in the mix.
I never really got the whole "leftists voices not being heard" schtick. There are tons of leftist flavored crazies online, and they tend to be very vocal, just like the right wing crazies.
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Lets be honest with ourselves, half of the left is in support of the genocide happening is gaza. have seen this in both US left. and just as much in German, UK, Dutch left parties. only the French left has somewhat of a push back against that, France seems to be the only western country to still have genuine left factions among its left parties.
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I once asked the hexbear community why they are pro-genocide against their "opponents" and got called Hitler when I didn't think it was reasonable to commit genocide at all.
From my point of view it's the extremists on both left and right that is the biggest problem.
The leftists looks at right extremists and think to themselves that the entire right-wing is like that. Same goes for people on the right. They look at what the leftist extremists do and then argue that it's how people on the left think and act.
But just like all of life, politics is not black and white. Just because I agree with the left more than the right that does not mean I agree with the entire leftist politics.
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The Spanish center-left is re-positioning itself denouncing Israel's actions after years of ambivalence, and the Spanish left is calling for sanctions.
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How terrible for Spain.
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There's no Left in the US. The "Left" is more of a Center Right
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Jesus Christ this has been disproven so many times. No just because the people that push politics that are often to the left of most European democracy's main left leaning party are old white farts too does not mean that they're a secret center right pretending to call themselves a left leaning party.
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But they considers themselves leftists, and their voters see them that way as well.
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ALL the left parties in the back a ceasefire and The Green Party calls for an end to the occupation. Labour are more right wing than the Conservatives when David Cameron was elected. There are left MPs still in the Labour, many have been fired or have quit.
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I can't call Labour a left party in all good faith. it has been taken over by the blairites. Corbyn brought hope to the left movement, but he was run over by the fifth column of his own party. just like the US the UK is stuck in a two party system controlled by billionaires, hedge funds and the military-industrial complex
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Which centrists actually support any amount of genocide?
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Plenty of centrist liberals support Israel's "war against Hamas". US president Joe Biden and the Democratic party for example.
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that has nothing to do with the ideology of centrism itself and would be ridiculous to even pretend so.
it has to do with the complexity of the situation, and more specifically for everyone supporting Israel, having to do with maintaining country relations moreso than the edit: humanist ideals unfortunately.
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You're grounded, mister! No genocide for an entire month.
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Mom: we have genocide at home
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Right: Let's cut off our Dicks.
Left: Let's not cut off our Dicks.
Center: Guys, your going to have to compromise, let's just do some dick cutting.
Right: I guess I can live with that for now.
Left: No.
Center: See, this is why no one likes the left, you guys are the real extremists, smh
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E: Every down vote without discussion just proves my point even more. You're all in a cult.
Nah, both sides suck for different reasons.
Most situations have more choices than the two you are often presented with. For example, who is in the right, Hamas or Israel? Neither of them. They're both trying to justify killing innocent people because the other side killed innocent people.
In the meme, a centrist would obviously agree with the Democrat. If it were flipped and the Democrat were saying some equally off the wall thing, they'd side with the Republican. They've both become extremist versions of what they once were and the other side points out the obvious insanity and gets to feel smug about their low hanging trophy. And dumbass people from both sides eat it up.
Why do you think people are clinging to the center despite all the weird hate against it? They don't want to be associated with either side. Both sides get some things right and some things wrong. Yet, we're expected to take them as a package deal, because politics have become cult like.
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Now do healthcare as a right and abortion. Where's the compromise?
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You missed the point, there is no compromise and even people who identify as centrists will have different thoughts.
Me personally?
Healthcare as a right is already a thing. You can get it even if you're unemployed right now. The real problem is in the insurance/medical/pharma industries with all of the insane price gouging. It needs to be more obtainable and more effective. Free? No, medical supplies and labor still have some cost even if we fix the issue of cost and that money needs to come from somewhere. Even if it were given out for "free", you really think our taxes won't go up to compensate?
Abortion? Let them do what they want.
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That's one of the reasons I don't like the left, you guys expect everyone to be in lock step on every issue and you use a holier than thou approach to do it. However, I don't want to live in a Christo-Fascist Theocracy, so even though I don't love it.. I will still vote D for now. I'm literally on your side, but it's impossible to have a conversation with you guys. The right and left's chances of that are near zero and it's fucking sad. You call us centrists, but most of us never moved. You guys did. You move the line more and more every day.
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I have been trying on Lemmy for months. They purposefully and willfully misunderstand all centrists / independents and for some reason feel they are all secretly right wing.
It's the current state of US politics - the straw man they've built in their head that has all the wrong opinions has the same label that they've slapped on you, and labels are all that matters to them.
Most are not here to engage, think, and expand their worldview. They are here to push the "fuck you" button that gives them a dopamine hit by punishing you for having the wrong label.
But once in a while you'll talk to someone who treats you like a real person, and it's kind of wonderful.
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I'll take the downvotes happily everytime. I know it's going to happen as I'm writing, but if it means it gives even one person something to think about it's worth it.
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The issue is that "centralist" has been co-opted by the American Right. The republican MAGA element has flopped so far to the extreme right that the old right now looks in the center. Because of this, and the idiotic behaviour of the MAGAs, a lot of republicans seem to use "centralist" to distance themselves. A lot of the original centralists have been forced into siding with the democrats.
From the outside, American politics is all right wing. The democrats are more in line with most countries right wing parties than their left. This has only gotten more extreme recent years. Right now, the democrats are far too close to the centralist joke in this meme. "A little bit of genocide is ok" at least when it's not Americans. You act like it's far fetched now, but we also joked about the MAGA idiots and Trump becoming president.
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Not everyone is American. I'm German and it's way less distinct here imo. Yes, I hate the right with a passion (as everyone should), but the left really isn't any good either. It's just all a big bag of trash.
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Extremists be like "You're either with me or against me!"
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I'm an extremist when the issue is "should we do a genocide".
On the "no" side, to be clear. I will indeed not accept any answer other than that one.
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Is that such a wrong position to have when the questions are as starkly "respect human rights or don't respect human rights" as most issues are in today's conversation? This isn't a discussion on the minutia of how much money should be allocated to transit subsidy, this is "should the queers be allowed to exist?" and "should women have rights?" and "do parents have the right to ruin their child's life just because they're the parent?"
If you really think there's a middle ground there, either you're a fucking idiot, or you actually don't and you're just trying to pretend you do because you know your actual answer is morally indefensible unless you ascribe to a world view that has no business being respected in a democratic rights respecting society.
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Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
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Enlightening comment section. Very revealing discussions on our current political discourse.
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Did you see the date on the image? This is not about the war, but showing the absurd position of centrists on extremist positions
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More the centrist worship of compromise,
The Great Compromiser is an example that comes to mind, a guy who's crowning achievement is negotiating still preserving and even expanding slavery to avoid a war that ended up happening anyways just a few decades later.
All he actually achieved was preventing the Union from having an even larger lead against the secessionists given that the cotton gin industrial complex hadn't come fully online to give the south the capital it later put towards betraying their fellow citizens in the name of continuing to own people.
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So I tried to find the poll instead of an article about it and I found this.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/reuters-ipsos-israel-hamas-war-2024-election
Americans are split on whether Israel’s response has been excessive (50% agree, 50% disagree), Democrats are more likely to agree (62%) than Republicans (30%)
That is to say that 70% of Republicans believe that a bombing campaign that has killed 12,000 of innocent civilians including thousands of children is not excessive. The parody isn't far from truth.
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You're cherrypicking:
Americans are split on whether Israel’s response has been excessive (50% agree, 50% disagree), Democrats are more likely to agree (62%) than Republicans (30%) and 76% say that Israel is doing what any country would do in response to a terror attack and taking of civilians hostages – a majority of Democrats (77%) and Republicans (83%) agree here. However, two in three (68%) of respondents also agree with the statement that "Israel should call a ceasefire and try to negotiate."
TBH, even 30% of Republicans saying it's excessive is remarkable, considering the bullshit FOX has been serving up since Oct 7.
These polls record responses to specific questions. The response indicates their agreement with a specific question, and typically they cover a range of related questions so that you get a picture of sentiments on each one.
By the way, the link includes a PDF version of the non-summarized findings, which are more informative:
That many people not thinking what's going on is "excessive" is a disturbing statistic of course, but that's a second discussion. I reckon it's mostly the people who aren't seeing footage from on the ground.
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Genocide of those who want genocide? Since we’ve agreed that some genocide is ok?
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"Those 5000 Palestinian children under the age of 15 that were killed by Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza were actually all Hamas so fuck them"
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"if not Hamas now they would eventually become Hamas after we continue to oppress them and kill their loved ones, so it's the same as killing Hamas."
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source: Hamas
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Genocide for some, tiny American flags for others
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i've never seen centrism so badly misunderstood.
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Please enlighten us.
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conservatism is liberal progression into an enforced tradition.
liberalism is the progression either out of old conservative traditions, or into new ones. if traditionally enforced, this becomes conservative :O
but tell me again about how you're a "conservative" or a "liberal"?
feeling "enlightened" yet?
edit: downvotes with no replies eh? too enlightening i guess
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I'll bite. Most of what I see here in this thread against Centrism or Independents is bad strawman arguments consisting of: “There are three types of people: reasonable people who agree with me, crazy fascists, and lily-livered wimps who can’t pick a side (and are also fascists)!”
If someone says that they are “centrist” they are not telling you that they base all of their opinions on being dead center in the middle of any two positions. That would be stupid.
They are telling you that they agree with neither major party on everything, and find that both parties have views that they don’t agree with. It’s pretty easy to come to that conclusion because the US two-party system packs in an almost incoherent mishmash of beliefs into exactly two sides.
There is absolutely no contradiction in being for police reform, and against riots lasting for days. There is no contradiction in being for gun rights, while also wanting massive limits on them. There is no contradiction in wanting functional government services and universal healthcare, and thinking that free markets are effective to an extent. There is no contradiction in wanting a more balanced budget, and government services to be funded properly.
The idea that there are only two (or maybe 2.5 depending on where you live) sides in politics is a strange delusion created by your two party system.
The reason the meme creator is running into situations like this is because they don’t witness the Centrist also vehemently argue with right-wing policies frequently.
They only see them argue with them and therefore have a skewed view of Centrists / Independents and their politics. If you are left wing, and argue for left-wing policies in every case, that means you will also be argued with by somebody who believes political nuance and not just waving a party flag.
Remember, the right wing also shits on centrists because they think they are secretly left-wing since they argue with their stupider points as well.
So no, these people are not secretly right-wing and just don’t have the balls to say it. That is a horrendous take no matter where you fall on the political spectrum and only serves to limit conversation.
Now you go.
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It seems to be Lemmy in general when dealing with Centrism or Independents. Despite very little knowledge, they are very excited to tell you the things that you think.
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other areas of Lemmy have been alright for me.
here however, they just repeat the brain rot "Enlightened Centrist" meme with absolutely 0 arguments being made. very lame and simple minded "politics" being done over here!
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That's not the center's position. That's the position of people pretending to be center.
It's more like:
Left: "Let's destroy people's livelihoods with higher taxes on small businesses and also force people to do things they don't agree with. "
Center: "Um, that's not a good idea. Let's not do either of those things."
Right: "Yeah, that's right! Let's commit genocide and make it easy for murderers to get weapons."
Center: "No, that's way worse! What the hell?"
Left: "That's it, if you don't agree with us, you're the enemy!"
Right: "Exactly!"
Center: ....
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Are we threatening Jeff Bezos' livelihood by wanting him to pay taxes? Cause that's who we want to pay taxes, not working class but the billionaire class. Also, the working class is ALREADY paying taxes.
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Except billionaires have enough money to avoid it. Middle class don't. So they end up paying.
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Left: "Let’s destroy people’s livelihoods with higher taxes on small businesses and also force people to do things they don’t agree with. "
Jesse, wtf are you talking about??
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You literally cannot do some genocide.
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The holocaust was a genocide, but there are still jews left in the world. Not for the lack of trying, but Hitler was stopped, so you can definitely do a partial genocide.
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What if it’s an Undertale genocide run and you spare one of the bosses?
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I've never played Undertale, but as achievements tend to be binary, I'd say it's the same process. You either check the box or you don't.
Open to correction if I'm wrong tho. No experience with that game.
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That’s the point of this tweet
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I mean I get the tweet is parodying conversation, I just think it's doing it poorly.
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Where do we put the *cides from left dictatorships?
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Where do we put the *cides from left dictatorships?
Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".
Left and Dictatorship do not have compatible definitions. This is like asking "where do we put all the pregnant virgins?"
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Name one. I think almost everyone here is operating on USA definitions of Right = Conservative and Left = Progressive, btw
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That's not a US definition, that's how the seats where distributed in the french parliament after the revolution
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Holodomor, the current Uyghur issue.
Cambodia was more of an omnicide, but it counts
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The Uyghur genocide would be the most recent.
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Let's ignore the political opponent massacres of the Great Purge and ideology fueled agricultural disasters of the Great Chinese Famine, and focus on the Holodomor in Ukraine, the Cambodian genocide, the Uyghur genocide in China.
Happened under communist dictatorships that are generally considered to be at the left.
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File them under fiction
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Right: These people who don't share my opinion need to be genocided!
Left: No! THESE people who don't share MY opinion need to be genocided!
Centre: Could... Could we, like... Not have a crisis on our hands FOR FIVE FUCKING SECONDS!?
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I really want to know where you get the idea that the left wants genocide, especially over a difference of opinion. It's so antithetical to my values that it's downright funny.
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Unfortunately, centrists do not have a great long-term track record of opposing genocide. Wish they did. But when you've got a mass of anti-war marchers in the streets or protests outside embassies or pickets outside Presidential ranches or in front of party convention halls, the centrist response tends to be "That's not very civil! Tut-tut!" right before police wade in and start cracking heads.
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I feel like a fair few of you are overreacting. Talk to me. We'll make it work.
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I think the true centrist would be the least likely to genocide. Right and left both imply an attachment towards one arbitrary end of the spectrum. Center implies you're willing to entertain ideas from both sides, because realistically the truth almost always lies in the middle of the extremes.
The end state of these ideals is two sides who have nothing alike wanting the other gone, and the others going, "woah wait guys, you're both a little right, let's chat instead of murder." Centrism isn't just not being able to pick a side or take conviction, it's about wanting to synthesize all relevant information into a worldview that is a bit more aligned with reality.
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Why does the left have an arbitrary attachment in your opinion? Why is it wrong just because it's "extreme"? I don't find that a very appealing argument. And why cannot an "extreme" position be aligned with reality?
What if the status quo is an "extreme" or absurd position? What if wealth inequality and private ownership, where people earn power just from owning things, is extreme?
Remember, democracy used to be a radical and extreme position. People thought that giving a vote to everyone was completely absurd. Do you think that's too extreme? What about letting women vote? What about abolishing slavery? What about saying that black people are not worse than white people? What about saying monarchism should have been abolished? What about abolishing feudalism and serfdom? What about labor laws and mandating that workers cannot be forced to work more than 8 hours a day?
All of these position were extreme once upon a time.
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I didn't say that all views on one side or the other were extreme. Or that disengage from the status quo is extreme. I simply said that attaching yourself to a specific ideology (left, right, center, etc) and being unable to take in information from the other sides, tends to lead one towards extremism.
For the record, most of my personal views are haaaaaard left. I just HATE the rhetoric of "anyone entertaining a more-right idea than mine is at worst insane, and at best unable to pick a side."
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I think the true centrist would be the least likely to genocide.
Wtf are you talking about. On the Left, we hate killing. We're completely opposed to it. We don't entertain the idea. Centrists who might allow some killing are not the least likely to genocide. The Left wants no unnecessary deaths.
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Attachment to an ideology is breeding grounds for contempt. Look at all of the leftists on social media lately calling for genocide of either Palestinians or Israel. As soon as you get so mired in labels, ideologies, etc you run the risk of becoming radicalized and unable to see the "other" as people. The central view is "both of these sides have done some abhorrent shit, let's figure out how we can do better without an all out war." The extremes are "Palestine wrong" and "Israel wrong".
For the record, most of my personal beliefs lean pretty left of center. I still don't identify as left, right, or even really center, because labels will only get in the way of truly expressing your beliefs. I just hate the "centrists like riding the fence. Centrists are cowards" kind of rhetoric you see everywhere.
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Huh, that's strange. There was a left-leaning fellow I responded to yesterday who said:
"So then you're saying that liberals and leftists CAN publicly call for the roundup, imprisonment, and execution of all Republicans who push fake news in online and broadcast media?"
Sounds like they were very much in favor of some killing.
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because realistically the truth almost always lies in the middle of the extremes.
so you think earth is a semi-sphere?
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Ah yes genocide, where 14,500 people out of 2.048 Million have been killed in 45 days (0.7% of the population) in the war started by terrorists hiding behind the same civilians, and that number too given by the very same so trustworthy oh so poor terrorists I mean freedom fighters (who also include their own fighters killed in that number, as those poor freedom fighters have filmed themselves fighting in civilian clothes hence they are civilians), who kill their own civilians with their own crappy rockets yet blame it on the other party, and each one of the 14k killed hand counted and verified by the poor honest doctors who have never seen a gun bearing terrorist inside a hospital nor ever seen a tunnel or a hostage, being committed by the strongest military power in the region, which has the capacity to kill all those 2Million people in a single day!
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war started by terrorists
That is a convenient choice of time to label that as the start to this war.
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WWII resulted in 0.265% of the world's total population being killed over the course of 72 months, while Israel murdered 0.7% of a population in only 1.5 months. They also displaced roughly 1.5 Million of those 2 Million people, many of which might not have anything to return to. Their methods were also pretty damnable considering they intentionally closed off 2 of the borders and consistently shelled the only remaining border making it nearly impossible to flee.
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There's just... so much to unpack here.
Maybe we just throw the whole damn suitcase away.
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This is insanely reductionist lol
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Tbf, most memes are. It's why they're memes.
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Some might say it's their defining characteristic.
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That's not what centrism means. It's not an immediate compromise between the two. It's acknowledging that not every single stance held by a political party is the correct one.
I can support background checks and other limitations on firearm purchases, and also not want open borders. We should be doing something about the excess of gun violence, and we should be doing something about the thousands of immigrants jumping our border.
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The word "centrism" does kind of imply a mix, or "center", between two positions. I would phrase it that the word is used for basically anyone whose thinking doesn't fit neatly into the "left" or "right" category, though - including people who are just lazily mixing positions, and also people who are really thinking outside the box but just happen to agree with a couple positions from those ideologies.
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Muricans be like: let's make centrists look bad by using strawman arguments.
Also muricans: yeah only voting for shit or shit lite® definitively isn't a problem and voting 3rd party is throwing away my vote
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Ironically, in Germany, both the far left and the far right a re in favor of genocide. It's even the same genocide!
Really makes you realize, that the political spectrum is much more a circle than a line.
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Posting this meme like you aren't voting for Biden
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What is your point? What other alternative does the left have? The US is a two party state, and that is how democracy works there. I've yet to see anyone present me with an answer to that question.
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Build dual power institutions and provide the services of a functioning state within the dying husk of the current regime until such time that it collapses under its own contradictions when you leverage the organization and capacity you've built up to seize state power.
And if you don't the fascists will.
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First it has to be genocide for anyone with a brain to care about posts like this.
Don't cheapen the word.
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It's moreso Right: Let's kill muslims Left: Let's kill jews Centrists: let's not do either of that
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Left: Let’s kill jews
Seriously? Bernie Sanders is arguing for killing Jewish people?
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Bernie is a centrist on this issue
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Interestingly do all the leftist who now chant "from the river to the sea..." support genocide of the jews because that is exactly what those words mean.
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If it’s not from the Genocide region of France then it’s only sparkling mass murder.
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Quality post.
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Why are millennials killing genocide?
Nobody wants to 'cide anymore
People are just so pc nowadays
said Trump ...... (Very opionated & weird comment)
Has the woke agenda gone too far?
Because of avocado toast
Cancel culture!
The only thing I'm proud of when looking at gen Z is that they are completely unwilling to go to war for the military complex and giving their life fighting a battle where they have nothing to gain but everything to lose. That's way smarter than my generation or the baby boomers ever were.
That is the only justified killing. And waves, but I'm no surfer.