masquenox @ masquenox @lemmy.world

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I'm trying to come up with simpler and easier narratives to talk about these kinds of things that not only makes these discussions easier but also forces the reactionaries and the reformists into defending their narratives.

So I guess that's a no-go on your part, eh?

Don't worry... I'm nice, so I'll give you two more tries.

No. You can prove it by providing one example of an "apolitical" community.

Shouldn't be too hard for you, eh?

Which part of...

The idea that there exists such a thing as a “far left” is the most centrist thing ever.

...are you having a hard time understanding, liberal?

That’s the very definition of “far left".

No. It isn't.

Once you are so passionate about your understanding of the world

According to your silly understanding of it, every mass-shooter in history was also "far left."

Again. There is no such thing as a "far left."

It doesn't matter how many overly-dramatic and contrived justifications you make for it. It still remains an invention of liberal media and absolutely nothing else.

There is absolutely such a thing as “far left”.

Again. There is no such thing as a "far left." It's an invention of liberal media, who insists on having one to equate with the far right to suit their both-side-ism propaganda, and it's being being propagated by liberals who desperately want to pretend that their right-wing ideology qualifies as "leftist" simply because they don't want to be associated with their fascist cousins.

And you fell for it.

Anarchists and communists aren't "far left." They are simply left.

You are either left or you are not.

The white liberals who try to co-opt MLK always forget to point out that MLK literally considered white liberals a more insidious obstacle to liberation than the KKK was.

And he was perfectly correct about that, too.

Yeah... you're a centrist.

Far left is mostly also authoritarian.

There is no such thing as a "far left." Go ask Centrism 101 for a refund.

The idea that there exists such a thing as a "far left" is the most centrist thing ever.

Trump siccs a white supremacist lynch mob on the capitol - the liberals do nothing.

The MAGAS kill Roe v. Wade - the liberals do nothing.

The Dems have zero credibility because they don't DESERVE any.

For their unsatisfiable thirst of power?

So not the liberals (and the capitalists that they truly represent) who can get down to "business as usual" after the fascists brutally repressed the working class for them, eh?

It’s a little bit of a chicken-egg situation

No, it isn't.

Gustav Krupp, Wilhelm von Opel, Albert Vögler - oh-so-liberal Weimar Germany's richest and most "respectable." Would you qualify them as chickens or eggs?

our wannabe-Nazi Elon

Do you think that Elon will be hurt much if they fine him a measly 15% of his assets, like they did with Hitler-benefactor Fritz Thyssen?

The goal of these both are similar: freedom.

Liberalism's aim is the freedom of the capitalist, and the indentured servitude of everyone else.

So you agree with me?

No.

but they definitely maintain it

For whom? Who really wins when the fascists leave power? The very same class of people who funded them into power in the first place, perhaps? How are the descendents of the capitalists who funded Nazi Germany and Showa Japan doing these days? How are the corporations doing that coined it during the Pinochet-regime in Chile or the Apartheid-regime in South Africa?

That is perfectly black and white.

But (true) liberalism is not fascism

At what point was liberalism not colonialist? At what point was it not capitalist? Liberalism created the systems of wealth accumulation and labour exploitation that keeps the (so-called) "1st world" rich... so who do you think they keep around to protect all of this from the people all this wealth and labour was stolen from?

I consider liberalism closer to anarchism

Then you understand neither.

I don’t think we ever had “real” communism,

No argument here.

the Democratic party (which I think is the best bet for resisting fascism right now)

Which part of the last eight years informed you that liberals have any interest in resisting fascism?

No it doesn’t,

How many times will the liberal establishments have to blatantly show you what it truly is before you believe them? They've been doing it at least since 1919, but it has never been more blatant than now.

Since you're European, I'd like to know what thought-terminating cliches you use to explain to yourself why Germany's oh-so-liberal political establishment has co-existed, side-by-side, with a securotocracy that was filled to the brim with Nazi war criminals ever since the end of WW2.

You'd think the oh-so-liberal Global North being exposed red-handed funding yet another colonialist genocide would make a dent in those cliches, but I guess it's true what the anarchists say... scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.

Fascism is definitely concentrating on centralizing power,

Fascists don't "concentrate" power - they are HANDED power that has ALREADY been concentrated FOR them. You wanna guess who it is that concentrates it before handing it over to them? Do tell... how has police funding been doing under all these liberal regimes in Europe, eh?

Let me ELI5 it to you so that you cannot claim nobody told you.

The capitalist ruling elite, like all ruling elites throughout history, requires TWO things to stabilize their own power and privilege. They need a way to CO-OPT certain segments of the populace they rule over, and a way to brutally REPRESS those parts they can't or don't want to co-opt. Carrot and stick - no need for a fancy poli-sci degree to understand this.

Therefore, the capitalists have developed a POLITICAL wing, which we call "liberalism," and a REPRESSIVE wing, which we call "fascism." That is what they have been since the start (ie, long before Mussolini gave fascism a name) - and which one you get depends on how much of a threat the capitalists think you pose to their precious world order.

Fascism and liberalism is joined at the hip - you can't have one without the other.

Soooo... your solution to your kid's fears is animal abuse?

Yes that’s what we’re Increasingly moving towards.

Nope. We've been there for a long, long time now. People are only figuring it out now, though.

Beware though, that all of this is a spectrum…

The (so-called) "political spectrum" becomes perfectly irrelevant once you understand WHY and HOW our political establishments dangle the liberal carrot and the fascist stick before us.

You don't want to know why the liberals keep fascists around?

They do say ignorance is bliss - maybe that applies to you.

they don’t have control of state militaries

Of course they don't. They don't need direct control of the military. That's what their pet political establishment is there for. You know... the political establishment who gets to decide who they will ALLOW you to vote for every four years?

In fascism, the state is at the top

And liberalism differs from that... how?

and become an extension of the government

And what did you think the Military-Industrial Complex was?

You're not describing anything here that differs from liberalism in any fundamental way. You're not wrong - I just don't think you realize the full implications of what it is you are saying.

It doesn’t matter how much money you have,

We're not talking about the surgeon who lives in the nice part of town and drives a Merc here... we are talking about the capitalist class who controls ALL of our society INCLUDING it's repression apparatus. And Trump, an incompetent capitalist nepobaby cosplaying as a fascist, needs Zuckerberg far more than Zuckerberg needs Trump. Trump knows it, and the entire US political establishment knows it.

The billionaire parasite class ARE the people in charge.

The fascists serve them, genius. That's the whole point of fascism.