Anon breaks up

Without context, this could be easily dismissed.

However, OP is posting on 4chan, so it's likely he did pose a threat.

That said, it's fake and gay.

fake: Anon didn't have a gf.
gay: anon had a bf.

if you have multiple guns and can't afford a lawyer you have kinda fucked your priorities

"She's probably right." "Dude was probably violent." "Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court" "Just give up your guns!"

Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?

Due process is dead in America, homie
I'm pro gun, I'm just considering the statistics of a 4chan-er. Maybe that's profiling, but I'm not a judge. He should certainly have his day in court, I'm just predicting the outcome.
Lot of US leftists and liberals hate guns, as a reaction to the right’s obsession with them.
It is a stupid and dangerous reaction, because they give up their means of self-defense against far right militias and a fascist government.
- You're spot on. I lean HARD left myself and still I'm actively advocating all my friends go out and purchase a firearm while they can. Not for some far fetched rebellion against tyranny, but simply to protect themselves from getting hate-crimed by the scum who will inevitably feel they've been given permission to do so by this regime. Furthermore if they do start deporting citizens for undesirable political behavior, I know I'd rather be six feet under than in CECOT or South Sudan.
- 😂 right! Like the fascist government that is now taking hold of the US. Not fascist enough to defend themselves yet?
- I don't hate guns, I hate the "gun rights" movements and there fetishization of a skewed interpretation of the second amendment where any individual has the unalieanable right to own a gun.
  Even if a violent revolution were to happen, which odds are 99 to 1 it wont happen in the US in our lifetimes, then people like op hoarding guns aren't going to help. A well regulated militia might but that requires social organization and discipline, which most people in the gun rights movement don't have the time or willingness for.
  They aren't serious about using guns to defend liberty, they just like the aesthetic of it and make it part of there personality. So much so that they get offended by dumb and probably made up stories like this but not the countless other similar stories where there were no red flag laws and the gf gets killed.
- Then they post about how the gun owners aren't doing anything to stop the fascist government. Yea, you've been alienating them for decades. They're not on your side.
I think we just don't like guns.
- I like guns.
- Speak for yourself. God forbid men should have a hobby.
- Eh, the cops are worse than the guns.
  Don't be disarming when gestapo in roaming the streets.
  (But Anon probably supports the gestapo tho... 🤷‍♂️)
Lemmy wants it easier for cops to take away your guns, but simultaneously distrust the cops and want to abolish the police. So which is it lol?
But then again, this is 4chan so Anon probably is on the side of the tyrants anyways; they think they're part of "the good ones".
- And they're probably borderline homicidal, just looking at stats.
Dunno, someone having guns to shoot normal people is a big red flag to me.
- Someone having guns to shoot the boot soldiers of an unjust regime? All for it. Big green flag to me.

Fake: anon has gf

Gay: anon writing fanfic flirting with male cops

I wonder if anon left something out? Like, threating to kill her or the person(s) she cheated with. Or some of the weapons being illegal? Nah, it would have been included if they weren't. Some people have high drama lives.

I'm very sure he was very amicable and reasonable about it. He's on 4chan, after all.
FYI, women are just as capable of being terrible people as men are
- Yes, but this is 4chan, so the odds aren't in OP's favor.
- My understanding is there is not a single state with red flag laws that allow all weapons to be seized based on one person's word. Well other than a doctor giving a professional diagnosis.
  For everyone else you have to have some evidence. Either multiple people witnessing threats/harassment video, or text based evidence.
- Sure, but it isn't their side we read.
well even if this is the whole truth it would be a testament to his character that his girlfriend would cheat on him and then lie to the police just so he gets in trouble
- Some people have bad radars about how dangerous the people they get in bed with are.
  Some people self-sabotage by getting with toxic partners in the same pattern over and over again because they have unaddressed psychological issues.
- C'mon, he probably is leaving important details out, but "if people treat him badly, he must deserve it" is hardly fair.
- In the hypothetical scenario that this is the whole truth, what you're doing is victim blaming.

This is the horror story for red flag laws existing.

Now imagine the horror stories of red flag laws not existing.

You don't even have to imagine, just listen to one of the million true crime podcasts. Then multiply all those cases by 5 for all the minority women who they don't talk about.

The comments here are a good example of how the gun control movement is the left-wing counterpart to the pro-life movement. It's origin lies in emotion, not reason. It's filled with fallacious arguements and when that fails to convince someone, the movement tends to move towards snarky comments and outright hostility.

Evem those that are trying to be reasonable by drawing conclusions based on data almost always are using cherry-picked statistics that was fed by those trying to manipulate them.

I don't avoid guns due to a fear of crime. I avoid guns due to a fear of negligence.
Every single day, someone in my family does something negligent, but ultimately harmless. Oops. Now there's an extra dirty dish. Oops. Broke a coaster. Oops. Dirty towel. Oops. Got sprayed with water.
Putting a gun in that situation would be pretty dangerous.
I suppose some households could keep guns responsibly. Mine could not, despite my personal practices.
- I don't understand how you justify in your head adding guns into any of those situations you listed.
  If you own guns, you're supposed to have a secure way to store them. Especially if you have kids. While some people do leave guns sitting around the house, that is strongly discouraged.
  You're supposed to keep guns inside a safe unless you're about to use it such as going to a range or hunting. And best practice is to keep ammo secured in a separate safe as an extra measure. And when you are handling a gun, you always check if it's loaded and follow the 4 rules of gun safety
I mean if someone makes death threats to someone else they should absolutely have their guns taken away.
The problem is that the system is open to abuse. Anyone who wants to get back at someone can make up allegations and have their guns taken away with no due process.
But on the other hand if you make this process too difficult you can allow someone who is actually dangerous to keep their guns.
- I mean if someone makes death threats to someone else they should absolutely have their guns taken away.
  The thing is, this isn't shown in the original post. Also, making death threats on its own is illegal, red flag laws aren't required if the person making the report has proof.
  Said victim could even get a restraining order if they were worried about violence, which won't completely assure safety but will go down a process that actually uses due process and doesn't violate anyone's rights.
Uh, there is reason in not wanting people to be shot by a culture of fear.
- Look up overall crime statistics for both countries that restrict firearm access and those who don't. You'll find that overall violent crime ends up being proportional to the countries' midi coefficient (a measurement of economic inequality). Firearm availability mainly changes the proportion of violent crimes involving firearms vs overall violent crime.
  Like I said, most of the statistics you see are cherry-picked to give an overly simplistic view of crime to distract from the fact that economic inequality is a huge correlating factor
Gun suicides are a huge problem, so there is a legitimate need for interventions in the appropriate circumstances. Suicidal ideation is also usually an impulsive or fleeting idea, so removing the means of suicide only temporarily can be a solution to that temporary problem.
The Swiss saw suicide rates drop with reduced access to firearms in shrinking their military, and the Israeli military has seen weekend suicide rates drop by simply having troops check in their weapons into armories over weekends, without a corresponding change in weekday suicides.
Anti-suicide nets on bridges work very well, too, because simply making a suicide more inconvenient, or require a bit more planning, is often enough to just make it so that the suicide attempt never happens.
So yeah. I'm generally against restrictions on firearm ownership or access for people who can be responsible with them, but I'm 100% on board with interventions for taking guns away for mental health crises, and restrictions on those found by a court to have engaged in domestic violence. And, like, convicted criminals, too.
- but I'm 100% on board with interventions for taking guns away for mental health crises, and restrictions on those found by a court to have engaged in domestic violence.
  The issue with red flag laws is that they completely bypass this. When the police recieve a report, they end up seizing the guns without any due process, and the owners has to sue to get them back.

I appreciate the 100% complete, unbiased and unvarnished picture of the situation Green OP (Gropey?) has painted for us.

Story: Girlfriend cheats This guy: Maybe he deserved it
- Weird take. If you ain't happy with your SO you try and deal with it or you fuck off. Cheating just makes everything worse.
  My colleague cheated on her man and now everything is worse. Whatever situation caused her to do it, now the situation is even harder to resolve. No one is gonna go "yeah okay, I probably deserved that. Let's move on", haha!

Funny to read the comments. I don't want to judge anyone as Im not american and I grew up without even touching a real gun.

Its just amazing how big role guns play in US culture. I can't imagine owning one, but most americans can't live without them. Its very bizarre.

It's not most Americans. It's about a third (which is still huge) and less than half of the population living in a gun owning household.
Then there's a spectrum of how "important" guns are culturally. There are in my experience 3 categories of gun owners.
People who own a gun or two. They may take it to the range or hunt, but mostly it's tucked securely away and they don't think about it or use it.
2)Then there are collectors and enthusiasts. They enjoy firearms as a hobby. They have multiple. They watch firearms videos on social media. They go to gun shows and might join a club related to the hobby.
3)Then there are the paranoid psychopaths for whom gun ownership and the insistence that they could have to defend themselves at any time is constantly at the forefront of their mind. They wish they had a reason to shoot someone and may end up shooting someone anyway.
- Sorry bad phrasing, by most I meant a lot of americans. Thanks for correcting me :)
  I am somewhat familiar with the type of gun owners from US media and movies.
  For me the most mind-blowing thing is how easy is to get a gun at some places. I just imagine some shady people I know in my country, even some of my family members and can't imagine them having access to guns :D
It perpetuates itself. If someone thinks there is a significant probability a burglar might have a gun, getting a gun themselves can increase their chance of survival. This is even ignoring the actual culture around it, where people want guns "just to have them".
- You don't own a gun in case of a burglar having a gun. It's in case of home invasion period. I'm not going to wait around to determine if they're armed or not and I'm not going to restrict myself to some lesser means of stopping them just because they aren't. I didn't create this situation and I am not going to accept risk to myself to preserve the life of some asshole who doesn't even respect me enough not to break into my home.

Wtf? Cops just come and take your shit away because some girl said so?

No. Thats 4chan, a place of lies and deception.
- When I was living with my parents my dad pushed my brother and told him to "get the fuck out". My brother called the cops on him and the cops came and took my dad away that day. He got let out but IIRC a couple days later he had to surrender his firearms later until everything was settled.

Can afford a bunch of guns and ammo, but can't afford a lawyer to defend yourself in court?

Strange priorities

I mean you can buy a gun for 200 USD at Walmart. Lawyers cost 200 USD per hour.
- Do you really believe that "all my guns, bullets and reloading material" is cheaper than a lawyer for a hearing like this? In my mind that phrase represents thousands of dollars worth of gun stuff, and a lawyer who can represent you in a TRO hearing might be about $500-1500 ($200/hour, maybe 2-8 hours of work for that first hearing).

This is so American. Just give up the damn guns!

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
-Karl Marx
- I have no weapon but nonviolence.
  Mahatma Gandhi
  See, I can quote things too
- Gun people are suddely literate when someone agrees with them.
Because we should totally trust the US government with our protection....
Replace guns with anything else and your comment will rightly sound very stupid.
- Let me try:
  "Just give up the crossbows!". Nah, sounds fine.
  "Just give up the anthrax!". Nope, totally ok with that.
  "Just give up the punji stick pittraps". Still feeling ok.
  I don't think it sounds stupid at all.
- Give up hate. Give up facism. Give up excessive consumerism
  All sounds fine to me!
- This is so American. Just give up the damn child pornography!
  This is so American. Just give up the damn heroin!
  This is so American. Just give up the damn National Socialism!
and leave the violent fascists in red states and the government to have a monopoly on violence? get fucked.
- So you think your 9mm is going to defend you from a government tank when it actually comes down to violence? You're fucked, gun or no gun.
That is a very controversial take for Americans, and not just from a gun-toter's perspective. The US has a long history of gun violence, yes, but the US also has a long history of state corruption which only ended by guns driving that corruption back.
In 1946, Veterans in the town of Athens used their firearms to fight against a corrupt police department helping the standing state rig the elections.
In 1921 The Battle of Blair Mountain occurred, where West Virginia miners who'd been stuck in the exploitive company town employment model, battled along the ridges of Blair Mountain against Police. In the company towns you could be fired from your job and evicted from your home without trial - since the mining company owned the houses and only let employees use them - and being in a Union was a fireable offense. This was the largest labor uprising in US history, mine workers fighting deputy sheriffs and strike breakers, with the police actually using biplanes to drop bombs overtop the heads of the miners. This was apart of the Coal Wars of the US, and apart of the broader Labor Wars in the US, which eventually led to the pro-labor regulations we now have in place within the US (which are now being dismantled despite a massive rise in peaceful protests).
In 1968, the Holy Week Uprising occurred in response to Rev. Martin Luther King Junior's assassination, and fueled by the massive inequality that the black community still faced.
All of these were cases of a overhead government, whether state, town, or federal, failing to provide for it citizens, and those citizens helping change that governments' behaviour through violent armed uprising. It is a regular occurrence in American history for us to have corrupt officials who start setting inhumane policies, and it's also been a regular occurrence for that corruption to need violent intervention in order for changes for the better to occur.
I'm tending to side with her, but they were legally purchased and probably expensive, it would be nice if he could at least get a tax write-off or something.
- Sometimes you gotta pick your battles. What's gonna be easier long term, giving up your guns or fighting this in the courts?

I'd like to hear her version

Right? I'm sure the BF is a very well adjusted person that just happens to post on 4chan
- I mean more often than not, when a woman accuses a man of doing horrible things and the man denies it, the woman is right

I mean... isn't that what is NRA is for?

Or... do they only defend rich white people's gun rights? 🤔

Well? How did this story end? I can't find it in the 4plebs archive.

Anon hired a decent lawyer who argued that the seizure was frivolous and antagonistic. The court agreed, but by the time his guns were released, they had all converted to Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, and Linux.
- The plot twist at the end there got me

WTF is a Red Flag law? No way this is the US ... dude would win so much rights violation $$$.

Crazy how someone can just make a call to the cops and that shit happens. Kinda like swatting

Just buy few cereal boxes and you'll have new guns and maybe some bullets if you're lucky