So uh, this is just allowed on tumblr (kinda gruesome tbh)

Folks.

If you ever catch yourself describing how you want to torture someone to death, I want you to stop and take inventory of your priorities.

Look. I am not a pacifist. Some motherfuckers need to be removed from positions of power by any means necessary, up to and including violence.

That being said, should we not focus on restorative justice and rehabilitation? Why create unnecessary suffering in the process? The argument that things like the death penalty act as a deterrent doesn't seem to be borne out in the evidence. What good is served by torturing someone, even if they're the nastiest son of a bitch in existence?

It is important to make sure we don't let killing for sport seep into our ideology. Using violence against people is not something we should take pleasure in, let alone fantasize about. History has given us plenty of examples to draw from here; once you make a policy out of sadism, the group of people you use violence against only grows.

Also, porn is fine in moderation (like everything else) and can be made totally consensually, you terminally online freaks.

Someone close to me was repeatedly raped by one of he neighbors from the age of 4 until she was 8. He did it to her sister and to his own daughter as well. For this the government gave him 6 years in prison. He was out before she graduated high school. She has a lifetime of shit to deal with because of his actions and I'm sure the other two do as well. There is nothing I wouldn't do to make that motherfucker suffer. I don't care if it's "good" or if it deters anyone else from doing it. There's no rehabilitation for someone like that or restoring what he took from them.
Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.
They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar.
So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.
Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

I am not a gambling man. but I would bet everything I own, these two are into some freaky shit.

Weird TERF that is into transformers.
- well there you go. I have a strong sense for the perverse.

Right.. because women don't consume porn, right? Phew.

They also don't produce it either apparently.
- OnlyFans is just propaganda. Just like Australia, it doesn't exist.

Putting aside the psychotic torture fantasies of these unhinged weirdos, could I please give perspective?

I'm anti-pornography. I'm also a former sex worker. I don't think that no one should consume porn, but you need to realize how horrific the porn industry truly is. It's why I think people should consume amateur stuff, OF, and independent makers. Big name companies are abusive, full-stop. There are, of course, exceptions with smaller stuff, too, but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted.

This is not a moralistic, prude, "Christian-viewpoint"-thing. Far from it! All I'm saying is that if most of y'all can be furious & boycott N×stlé for their human rights abuse, y'all should also look into ethical porn consumption.

This is where I am at. Sex work was dehumanizing and traumatizing. I was recorded once during an assault. There’s a lot of problematic attitudes towards sex that make the industry damaging and dangerous.
It’s just obnoxious that loons like this are so common in anti-porn spaces.
I don't have any real disagreement, but I think the problem is capitalism. The abuses in sex work are more visceral, but capitalism will create horrors for a few pennies.
100% OF, Chaturbate, or whatever. Only ethical way to go. The actors are fully in control of what they're willing to do, and for how much.
- Mostly, there are cases (Colombia for sure to my knowledge) where girls work at call center-like facilities operating OF, Chaturbate, etc accounts and hand over a cut to the owners of the facility.
  Best case, it's a contractor studio where girls with little to no money/access to the Internet and decent hardware can make a bit of money. I'm sure there are worse cases and would rather not think about how people twist that model into slavery.
Which is a completely valid perspective, it’s stuff like this that is being posted that actually makes your perspective both be not noticed, why would it be when there is salacious and audacious takes to post and discuss but also undermines you, now some rando is going to read this and put you in this camp and automatically write you off as crazy and your ideas as immediately dismissible. The problem is that even if this is “rage bait” its existence and proliferation will silence you as a side effect, that’s the actual purpose of “rage bait”
Amateur porn tends to be way better anyway. The ladies look way less plastic and sad, the moans aren't usually horribly overdone, and it's just hotter in general.
but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted
What do they go through?
Hell yeah.

these people can't figure out why no one sits with them at lunch

Very normal.
- what the fuck
- This person’s definitely got some trauma she’s not dealing with properly

there are many valid reasons to dislike porn and the industry around it, why are all anti-porn communities so fucking weird?

between this and nofap im not sure who i want to hang around with the least honestly (and anyways these spaces are almost always filled with transphobes)

For real - the industry is horrific. I don’t feel comfortable with the real stuff; I don’t like not knowing if that person was treated fairly or paid what they were promised or consented to everything that happened. Zero puritanical aspect to it, zero issue with smut and drawn images.
It’s just frustrating how the weirdos are the ones most critical of the industry. The world would be better if all porn was stuff made by eager participants who were happy and paid well.
- Younger consumers seem to very disproportionately favor small studios and individual creators with actors who at least pretend to be enjoying themselves, so I think things are likely getting better, if maybe slowly.
Because it's Christian extremism or the same but laundered through fake feminism

This is written by people that want to stop you getting your jollies at watching people fucking, and get their jollies at watching people being dismembered.

One of these things is not like the other.

they have no clue what percentage of people are porn consumers, huh?

91.5% of men and 60.2% of women herein reported having consumed pornography in the past month.
There's a good chance they're porn consumers themselves and just feel weirdly shameful.

This is just rage bait.

These takes bother me a lot less when I remember that there is a very high chance that the person making them is literally 14.

Yeah, you'll be surrounded by magical thinking, anti- intellectualism, or toxic positivity cottage core instead.

nobody could have stopped child me from finding porn. I discovered social engineering the old fashioned way just to acquire consistent internet access, and I did entering without breaking that would get an adult in trouble to access computers with nobody around in more than one place. I taught my parents how to use computers and I protected them from viruses. there was no stopping me.

Yeah, it's part of the reason I'm so good with IT. My stepmom was the systems engineer, and I had to figure out ways to get around her blocks and hide my tracks.
- Strict parents raise sneaky, cautious, and paranoid kids.
I gave the pimply teenager at the quickymart $5 and he let me buy any magazines I wanted.
ah the 80s....

Most of the good porn is amateur couples anyway. Wonder what their take on that would be.

So voluntary watching of porn bad, mandatory watching of torture videos good? Or is this satire?

This is not satire. Niiwa-Angel is a pretty active TERF, who also routinely posts about wanting to kill trans women.

These people are evil

I'm sure Donald Trump never watched porn. He only hanged a bit with Epstein. And grabbed them by the pussy. And paid to sleep with a porn actress. But surely he never watched porn.

This is where the Overton window has shifted to. We’re now debating whether modern capital punishment is too humane for porn producers.

This is Tumblr. The overton window is about mainstream views.
- The Overton window on Tumblr, then. I recall it was very different before the owners banned sexual content.

Hey can you put a CW on this please? Really didn't want to read that unprepared :/

Watching porn is nearly as much fun as making porn. I have no fucking clue what these folks are ranting about.

What in the evangelical hell is this? Porn isn't bad

One really weird thing that stands out to me is

hard labour.......picking litter, picking produce, clearing mine fields, cleaning up Chernobyl

Ok, so picking vegetables and cleaning up rubbish; is somehow equivalent to clearing explosives or cleaning up nuclear contamination.

So strange.

As someone who uses Tumblr regularly, this is a wild take wtf.

every accusation is a...?

I thought it was Lemmy for a second.

Making the exception for young boys stumbling across it has me wondering if this was a post on child pornography. The extreme punishments would make more sense too.

No - radiant fem suggestions is the original post in the chain.
- Then there’s really no explanation other than she’s certifiably cuckoobananas.

I think that the ones who should be punished are the politicians and leaders that have allowed easy to access and free porn to be available to 12 year olds for decades now. While these puritanical pearl clutchers go after cigarettes, drugs, the wOKe AgeNda, piracy and anything else that makes it look like they actually give a shit about society; they've oddly turned a blind eye to kids consuming aggressive porn where women are treated like fleshlights and incest fantasies abound. Almost in the same way that they've turned a blind eye to the fact that being a priest makes you very likely to also be a pedo.

Ye found tumblr