"I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative" - What do you think when you hear that?

"I'm an uninformed idiot."

Conservatives are fiscally reckless. Look at every conservative president's deficit spending, and economic crashes. Look at the states most dependent on federal funds.

Even if you had zero morals and voted 100% on fiscal policies, the best choice is very clearly not conservative.

I link this article every time the discussion comes up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
The first paragraph is a doozy.
- Hence why republicans want to get rid of Wikipedia. For all of its faults they generally do a decent job of going slash and burn on any editors that cannot fully back themselves up or have clear political alegances.
- it ain't even edit protected
Don't confuse "Republican" with "conservative", especially on economic matters. Republicans are historically economically liberal, ie. they are for unregulated markets. A fiscal conservative likes to cut spending, yes, but not to cut revenue.
- Not even economically liberal, just irresponsible and corrupt.
Does the fact that American "conservative" politicians are lying about it make it an invalid position to take?
Having grown up in a conservative household in a red state (US), and having thought this as I transitioned away to more liberal stances as I learned more about the world, I have to say: Spot on. I was an uninformed idiot.
- The worst idiots are the ones who never admit when they're wrong. Having the backbone to admit an error, change, and and move on speaks volumes.
Is it guaranteed they're voting conservative when they say that?
Look, I think there is something to it, but you really have to give details. I'm good with free access to healthcare, good with people marrying whoever they want (over the age of 18), transgender rights, etc.
All of that. I love it all. But I'd rather not be taxed to hell and have those funds horribly mis managed. I'm okay with taxes but I know there is so much waste with my funds. That's where I'd like improvement. I suppose in some eyes that would make me slightly fiscally conservative.
- No, that means you just like a functioning government. That has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism.
  If you were a fiscal conservative, you would be against spending any money on healthcare, let alone giving "free access" to everyone.

"I don't hate you because you're a POC, a woman, or queer. I hate you because you're poor."

“I’m a prick but I also like to smoke weed”

Either "I hate poor people but I love weed" or "I'm lying because my actual views would scare people off".

I like weed but hate taxes.
- Okay... I hate taxes too, but how else do you propose we pay for things like roads?

Conservativism, in all forms, is not a real ideology. It's narcissism. A conservative will redefine conservative values based on their own identity.

So the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" idiot is lying to themselves about who they are. They want fiscal policies that benefit themselves, and they don't want to be labelled a bigot, but they are fine with bigots in office as long as they get the fiscal policies that benefit themselves.

Ask them what they mean by "fiscal conservative," and they will probably vaguely gesture and say "lower taxes." What they mean is "lower taxes for me." Fiscal conservatives still want to spend government money on programs they like. They want boondoggles in their backyard, earmarks and pork barrel projects, and social safety nets as long as they are the recipient (Medicare, Social Security, Veteran benefits, etc.)

They want to frame it as responsible restraint. Pull funding from programs they don't understand, like scientific research, or don't like, like foreign aid (except of course if strong ties to their home country).

And when they say lower taxes, when pressed, they will describe how their property tax or income tax or capital gains tax or death tax is really bad "for the economy." They want good schools and roads and infrastructure, but they want someone else to pay for it.

Calling themselves conservative gives them license to be as selfish as they want to be without having to admit that they don't actually have any values.

The hatred of property tax really pisses me off.
I have a mortgage on the house in which I reside. I have to pay property tax on the house in which I reside. My annual property taxes are less than half the minimum monthly payment for my mortgage. If I can afford my monthly payment I can afford my taxes. If I can't afford my monthly payment the taxes aren't the problem.
And what do I actually get for that less than half a monthly mortgage payment in annual taxes?
2 large parks with miles of walking paths, a playground, a basketball and a soccer court, all maintained and within 2 blocks
maintained roads to my house that are cleaned regularly
decent schools nearby
Yes, I recognize I got lucky and am privileged enough to have, not just stable housing, but that which I "own," but that just makes my distaste of the hatred of property taxes all the greater.
- My problem with property tax is that (in the US) it creates a system by which areas with high property tax revenue (rich areas) recieive more money for schools. This is not bad on its face, but in the long term, it creates systems where poor neighborhoods have bad schools, can't fund improvements, can't attract good teachers, can't attract residents, lose on tax revenue... and it cycles.
  Hawaii has an interesting sysyem by which residents only pay tiny property taxes IF their primary residence is their only livable real estate.

“I don’t hate women and minorities but I don’t see anything wrong with an economy built off of their exploitation.”

"I vote Republican, but I'm self-aware enough to know that I should be embarrassed about it." (In the US)

- Eliminating corruption is not "fiscally conservative," it's just fiscally responsible. Same with taxing the rich.

As someone who said this when they were younger

"Uninformed idiot"

now that I'm older I'm fully liberal since i am more informed.

Same here.

"I don't actively hunt members of marginalized communities with one of my many obnoxiously customized firearms but I still have a weird kink for giving tax cuts to billionaires in exchange for a worsened quality of life because I have a 12 year old's understanding of how the world works."

So many people with such brutal takes on it -- helps to quantify who the audience is on lemmy I guess.

Socially liberal fiscally conservative, to me at least, means that the person is in favour of equality in the sense of equality of treatment from the government, but is not in favour of additional big spending projects to try and have equality of opportunity. They're pro-choice, but likely against the government funnelling money into providing abortions for women (so abortions available, but not gov subsidized). They're pro-trans rights in terms of being fine with whoever doing whatever they want with their body/partners of choice, but against government paying for trans-specific gender affirming procedures and parades to highlight those groups. They're in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.

In general, they support socially progressive ideas, so long as they're fiscally costed out and beneficial to the public purse. They're against increased government spending / reach, preferring 'small government', with the social components placed more on individuals to fund directly.

They’re in favour of things like universal medicare/dental care, because those programs are shown to be a net benefit fiscally and socially.
I've never met someone who was "socially liberal fiscally conservative" who believed this.
They're usually pro good things, but they don't want to pay for them, so they're not actually pro those things at all.
"Small government" and "private individuals will handle it" typically means it just won't happen.
- For starters, the question wasn't, as far as I know, asking how the ideology / stance fairs in terms of implementation / reality. Like you can give a description of what a communist believes, without having to try and explain Communist Russia / China.
  In terms of medicare/dental care, yes, there are soc lib fisc con people that do believe that. Likely not people in the USA, where everything skews right wing -- their soc lib is more like "I have a black friend! I'm not racist!". In more sane countries, there are a good number of people who fall into that ideological mindset, who do support public utilities/health initiatives -- it's pretty common here in Canada, based on people I've spoken with.
  Like a soc lib fisc con person I know, has previously suggested that we ought to change how roads / cars are handled -- arguing that cities shouldn't have anywhere near as many cars, and that common "paved" roads should be essentially relegated to highways/freeways due to the cost and ecological impact. In their take, city budgets are often bloated by road repair costs due to the over-engineering of what's required for regular residential activity. Using other road materials would dramatically increase sustainability -- and even if it results in more 'maintenance' cost/road tolls for car users who still insist on using cars, that's up to the consumer. I don't know if they were talking nonsense, but that's the sort of thing I sometimes hear people in the soc lib fisc con camp say.

If they're American I would point out that they have no representation for their conservative views because there is no fiscally conservative party in the United States.

I always just reference this article:
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
And say the modern Republican party started with Nixon.

"I don't care about minorities enough to sacrifice anything about my way of living."

As someone who has used the term before.

Social liberal: I think you should be able to do whatever you want in your personal life, even if it harms yourself. I'm willing to negotiate with harming consenting adults while recognizing the possibility, even likelihood, of an imbalance of power making it difficult to properly give consent, or for it to be recognized by the public at large, e.g., maybe Amazon workers aren't really okay with peeing in bottles because they don't have enough time or facilities for bathroom breaks, just because they accepted the job. Doing things that harm those you have guardianship over is not acceptable because they are not in a position to give consent.

Fiscal conservative: I want money in the public trust to be spent effectively. This doesn't mean I want less taxes, I'm in fact okay with more. A city near me has 30% of its budget dedicated to police services, yet we have some of the highest violent crime in Canada. The simple fact is, a lot of crime is driven by poverty and lack of opportunity. So why are we paying to catch and jail poor people with no skills who are trying to survive and not paying for skills training, robust childhood education, and at least minimal supports so people don't have to be desperate enough to risk their lives and mine so they can survive? It doesn't make sense and there's no indication it's working. FYI, school meal programs tend to help the local economy to the tune of about $7 for every $1 you spend on them. That sounds terribly fiscally responsible to me...

Nothing about what you describe has even the slightest thing to do with conservatism though, so I don't know why you would describe that as being "fiscal conservative".
- Maybe not what it means currently in America. But in general it sounds fiscally conservative to me.
- One of the definitions of conservative is cautious or restrained. How is not spending money in a risky way not conservative? How is making choices based on evidence from other experiences not conservative? How is not spending money and letting physical and social structures that are serving you well decay conservative?
100%. I want to loudly point out that you saying 'jailing poor people not isn't fiscally responsible and doesn't benefit society, the money would be better spent giving people a better shot at success' is a great example of social liberal (make society better) and fiscal conservative (don't spend money on stupid things).
But if we didn't criminalize poor people, how well we justify spending billions on privately owned for profit prisons!?! You didn't think of the stock holders! /s
I hear a closeted MAGA.
- You need to get your hearing checked.
By chance are you talking about Surrey BC?
- Afraid not.

"I dont mind the gays, but I keep voting for Fascists because right wing talking points about how Unions make the prices of eggs go up."

Euro perspective - When I hear fiscally conservative, that means supporting a governmental policy that is frugal with spending and responsible with public assets and finances.

This has several parts, here are some of the most important:

a) Keeping a balanced budget - the government should not be spending more than it is collecting from taxes and income. (A little debt in dire times is fine, but that should be payed off when possible)

b) Responsible management and long term planning - the planning horizon should be counted in decades

c) Focusing on core tasks: national security, infrastructure, healthcare, education etc.

d) Not raising taxes unless strictly necessary, lowering them if it is permissible according to the above.

Socially liberal => supports personal liberties

Now why does government debt even matter? Well, because debt is owed somewhere, and if it becomes large may mean that the government is beholden to other parties for the debt.

What party runs on the platform of fiscal irresponsibility?
- Usually fiscal irresponsibility comes in the form of lavish promises (subsidies, tax cuts, projects etc.) with a jarring absence of an answer to the question "How are we going to finance this?"

"I'm a dumbass who's too embarrassed to say I vote Republican."

"My definition of socially liberal is I don't think gay people belong in death camps, per se."

“I’m a republican, and I will consistently, and wrongly, vote in what I think are the best interests of my wallet while paying lip service to liberal social ideals. “

I used to say this. And I believed it. It’s a lie people tell themselves because they’re voting for terrible things and don’t want to take credit for half of it.

“I kill the poor but I’m sad about it” gtfo

I don't like paying taxes to fund public services, but I don't care what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms

but it's also not a deal breaker if the guy I vote for wants to dehumanize them
- Not necessarily. If someone is genuinely socially liberal, they won't like politicians that dehumanize minority groups. They won't necessarily want to pay to protect them, but they'd generally be in favour of laws to protect them, etc.
  I am not fiscally conservative, but I've met people like this. Pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, probably even pro-churches-paying-taxes.
  But cutting funding to education to lower taxes? Sure. Anti-public transit (unless they're smart and know that public transit can be more efficient). Anti-international spending. Stuff like that.
  But I live in Canada, where we actually do have a "Centre-ish" party that's generally fiscally conservative to an extent, but socially liberal. And our right-wing party isn't quite as big on the dehumanizing aspect. Banning abortion isn't really on the table, and banning gay marriage is generally an unpopular opinion for even the right-wing political leaders.

"I'm a liar, pretending to be a libertarian. Fund the police so they can shut down the protests for things I don't like."

I will get high with you, and then turn you into the cops when you can't pay rent.

"I'm not gay, but $20 is $20."

I prefer to use the term fiscally responsible.

It's fiscally irresponsible to cut taxes for the billionaires and corporations when we have record deficits.

It's fiscally irresponsible to cut the IRS budget when that results in less revenue.

Republican voters have been brainwashed into thinking that Republicans are somehow more responsible with the economy and budget, when history shows that Republicans drive up the deficit with irresponsible tax cuts.

It's irresponsible to cut taxes and not cut spending.
Edit: spending more than yu take in creates debt and that is not responsible
- Not related. It's not a zero sum game. Spending on certain things can save money and allow for tax cuts, tax cuts can create business growth or income in other ways and allow more spending. Defering tax cuts to a certain time or spending to a certain time can lead to better results, ect ect ect.
  Anyone who thinks it's linked and must be Tax up=Spending up or Tax down=Spending down should probably not even be in charge of their own homes finances. Even children are taught how to save their allowance over time and then spend it, and I had occasion as a child to "borrow" my allowance to purchase a toy that was on sale.
- Did you ever hear about investing, which is the act of spending money and getting value back?

“i vote MAGA, but im too much of a wuss to admit it out loud.”

'I'm conservative and racist and I'm fully aware of that. However, I have enough sense not to say that in polite society... Unless you're cool with it? "

"I'm a dumb cunt"

They don't want to pay money for social spending they don't realize they benefit from while wearing the costume of an ally.

"I pick the parties on their rhetoric, not their record."

"Trump is going to pivot any day now!"

That you don't understand how capitalism works.

That they're a Democrat

“Sure the problems are bad, but the causes? The causes are good.”

They want to virtue signal trivial social issues to avoid admitting they're just plain conservative.

I think they're a goddamn idiot. I like it more when people tell me that they don't have enough time to think about this shit and so they don't have an opinion.

Bellend

"But in practice, I almost certainly vote Republican."

"I'm discriminating towards poor people".

“Fuck the poor but I do like to smoke weed”

Every discussion I've had with someone who said this has led me to expect ignorance. I think its something people who don't know much like to say because they think it sounds good.

Isn't this kind of a roundabout way of saying "I'm a libertarian that isn't into wearing tinfoil hats?"

"I smoke weed but think you're lazy if you make less money than me"

Probably racist but hides it

"I don't understand what those words mean and I'm taking the coward's way out of this conversation."

I don't want to be included with the rest of the domestic terrorists in my political party.

Just buncha utter bollocks

Someone who is a conservative who has a gay friend or a gay kid that they love and accept.

Barely even that. Someone who likes marijuana is more likely.
- I'll agree with this too.

They don't pay attention to the world around them.

To the small handful of socially liberal and fiscally conservative folks that found this thread let me ask a few questions:
Does it make more fiscal sense to build a chemical treatment plant next to a neighborhood of people that can afford lawyers or a neighborhood of those that can't?
What is the social makeup of each of those neighborhoods?
How did that social makeup come to be?

“I like to have my cake and eat it too”.

"I believe good things but don't want to actually sacrifice anything or be responsible for any of my actions that my prevent good things from happening"

I assume they vote liberal or are uncomfortable being seen as the hateful sack of shit they are.

If we're talking America the parties align like this:

Democrat: Socially moderate, fiscally conservative
Republican: Socially regressive, fiscally liberal

Republican: Socially regressive, fiscally liberal
Are massive tax cuts really considered fiscally liberal? The vast majority of the deficits that Republicans cause are due to tax cuts choking government funding.
- I mean yeah probably. I mean when I think of defining liberal economics I think of what would Adolphe Thiers say. So yeah I think he'd be okay with handouts to his rich friends. Enriching the bankers and fucking over the working class.

"You've been duped". Because people like this never acknowledge the amount of corporate welfare going on in America, if you want to be fiscally conservative, stop paying for profit companies from government coffers. Don't go after food stamps, that is just veiled prejudice

"I'm going to say I'm late for something to get out of this conversation."

Assuming they're American: they're an idiot. Sorry. They don't understand how things are intertwined, and you can't have social justice for free. If you let laissez-faire policies be, you don't get socially liberal outcomes. You get capitalist dystopia.

This is my father. Like, I'm happy that he doesn't hate me because I'm bi and poly. He's pretty open about how he thinks the Republican party is cruel and shitty.

His problem is that he associates fiscally progressive policies with California's creaking and inefficient bureaucracy. In his career, he spent a lot of time interacting with various CA governmental departments and he grew to loathe them intensely. Whenever I discuss progressive policies with him, he always relates it back to his experiences living and working in California and then just shrugs and says "I hate both parties for different reasons."

It's funny, because like, shit man, I kinda agree with him on a superficial level. California's state and local governments sucks at their jobs in a lot of ways (see the notorious San Francisco public bathroom). I agree that unions (of which there are many in California) can sometimes impede quick and efficient work (although I don't fucking care, I just chill out and am patient with folks and the shit gets done eventually. The process would be more efficient if the company tried to have a more harmonious relationship with the union).

He just doesn't seem to understand that as far as progressive polities go, California is a terrible example. There are plenty of places around the world that that have implemented progressive and socialist policies while still preserving the things he cares about (efficiency and relative frugality), but he's never been to those places. He hasn't engaged with those governments. All he can think of is the "progressive" state that caused him so much anger.

So basically, I think most people like this are fundamentally nice and decent, but they're ignorant and are blind to the underlying dissonance between their social and fiscal philosophies. My dad has never voted for Trump (he wrote in a friend's name which was basically a vote for Trump, but fuck man, it's at least a little better), but I don't believe he'll ever accept that voting according to his fiscal philosophy directly contradicts his social philosophy.

EDIT: apologies if this is rambling or poorly written. I'm sleep deprived and distracted and very stressed, and I probably shouldn't have commented at all.

"Socially liberal" right up until the point that we start talking about worker's rights, the dignity of poor people, and the exploitation of cheap slave labor on the other side of the world

They voted for trump and agree with everything he says but don't want to own up to it

"I don't like being held responsible for the outcomes of the fiscal policies I fully support"

I think "You're a fucking liar".

I used to think this, because I was against government waste. But I also supported welfare programs, so I was just using the wrong terms for my ideas.

Well this is what I think since I often fall into that kind of thinking and kind of reflected on how I recently voted on a proposition.

It was increase to the sales tax to make the area "safer and vibrant" and touted as a major way in this prop was providing help for affordable housing. My brain went immediately jumped to the more progressive leaning side and went, I'd love to help those who can't afford housing and yeah, I don't mind paying a bit more tax even though I don't particularly like the whole more regressive taxation kind of thing but overall it would be a great thing. Then I looked at the break down and saw that only 17 percent of the funding would actually go toward affordable housing.

That's where the more fiscally conservative part went, huh, well that doesn't pass the sniff test if you're making this about affordable housing and making things "safer" for them and the community dafuq is it only 17 percent of the budget there? Well digging in, 45 percent of this would have gone to cops and first responders, heavy emphasis on cops with articles going on about how the cops were looking forward to buying a helicopter. That fiscally conservative part of me went, yeah, that's wasting my god damn tax money then.

At that point my NWA part of the brain went, you assholes want to hire more cops with no change in hiring standards where we already have a problem with way too many racists ass police, give them cars, helicopters, more tasers and guns, and body cameras that we don't have access to the footage and no consequences if these assholes turn them off during an their encounters with the public? ACAB you bunch of tone deaf jackasses and Fuck the Police.

Needless to say, I did not vote for that increase in taxes.

Now if only people realized that the fiscal conservatism you just described is anathema to actual conservative politics (in the US at least). Yet people who claim to be "fiscal conservatives" will vote R every time because the two words are the same so it must be true.

A walking example of privilege

Usually they are lying. It means they hate poor people.

Greedy cunt

Raging asshole.

Screaming from the far left, there are a lot of people in scarcity or precairity in our society, a society that would collapse if they all suddenly fell incapacitated from their want.

It is our fucking duty as fellow citizens to stabilize them.

Conservatism at its core is ignoring their need in the name of tradition. To the ninth charnel circle of Hell with that.

I would think they want to not get caught up in a culture war, but also don't want a ton of government programs and costs and don't want to incur debt.

But people have no idea what anything means anymore and they just use words, like woke, and they use them wrong. So who even knows if people are talking about the same thing.

'You're lying to either me, yourself, or both. You're a full on conservative and don't want to admit it.''

They do not want anyone to have authority over them in any capacity. They want to fuck who they want, do what drugs they want, shoot what they want, exploit financially anyone they want, hire and fire anyone they want, control and manipulate markets however they want. They do not want any limitations placed on them by law, regulation, ethics, or morality. They feel no responsibility to anyone but themselves, do not value others that do not benefit them directly, and see society only as a means to serve their interests. They are the definition of narcissists.

It means "i'm not a racist, but i still prefer billionaires getting all the money"

They believe in the social policies of the Democrats and the financial policies of conservatives?

I mean I would ask follow up questions but at face value that would be what they meant no?

The democrats are fiscally conservative. The GOP believes in budget unbalancing tax cuts and are fiscally liberal.
- So the person who says what's in the post title is probably just a centrist Democrat. Which explains why they're getting so much hate here.

My friend who managed to be as right as it could even be in a political compass test which I thought was impossible, the man was a hyper capitalist

Housing and human rights matter and we should stop spending so much money on bombing houses and killing people.

🤔

To an extent, you can make an argument for each individually. But they don't mix. After a while, you'd be a walking contradiction. For a fun *exercise, try to imagine the opposite.

They pine for the Blue Dogs and haven't updated their policy preferences since the early 90's.

I think the person saying it wants to avoid family or acquaintances giving them shit for not sharing their political views.

Most of my family is very conservative stereotype vile people. I've heard that exact phrase from the few left leaning relatives as they try to wigle out of unconfortable conversations. I myself am the black sheep that just tells the repugnicans that their views disgust me.

Just like every other liberal they are a nazi sympathizer.

I think we have countless words. We should use our words.

We all have a spectrum of social and economic and other ideals.

Those who want to lead us have theirs too, and they’re the ones who need us to commit and compartmentalize into ideologies and macro definitions that get twisted.

Depends on if they mean capital C conservative or not

Conservative with a hard r.

I don't know if I've ever heard the quote IRL, but I've known libertarians and they've seemed fine. If all you disagree about is the particulars of economic theory it's not really worth getting worked up about.

I imagine this person being young and male, and possibly liking cryptocurrencies.

I have. Most people who say this IRL are very Libertarian and very not libertarian. If they like cryptocurrency, it's something new so they can feel smart.
- Public service announcement that crypto isn't intrinsically dumb, but that the most popular cryptos are, and most of the fans definitely are.

"I haven't thought about politics for more than 30 seconds in my entire life but I don't want to admit that and don't want to sound like a complete asshole" is about the most charitable way I can translate that sound bite.

Assuming that the person saying that is an American, I think that they don't understand economics and probably aren't as socially "liberal" as they might like to think they are ... or they haven't thought that hard about either topic. I think that based on the numerous people I've heard say that to me in the past.

It's fine to not really have thought about these things that much. Not understanding economics isn't a moral failing either. The people preaching about the economy usually have an agenda that isn't well-served by accurately describing economics and it can be hard to know where to find good information. I would rather hear "You know, I think those are important topics but I'm not sure where I stand on them yet" though.

In the U.S. "fiscal conservatism doesn't exist" so I hope you are voting against the hate mongers and trying to reform their opposition into balancing the budget (difficult when the hate mongers keep fucking the tax code in favor of the ultra-rich).

Translation: "The limits and bounds of my intelligence are the same as that of an LLM."

You have no party if you are American as our conservative movement abandoned any form of fiscal responsibility 30-40 years ago. When was the last time a tax cut was paired with a reduction in spending? Oh yeah that last happened in 1983

It depends what country they are in

C-c-c-conservative combo-breaker!

Edit: Sorry, I just wanted to say that. But I do think that falls under right wing with a sprinkle of social moderate leftism but even so, the debate of "can gays have the same rights as all of us" takes away from the ultimate leftist pov of "we should all have better material conditions as a class, including minorities".

Edit 2: and fiscally conservative is ofc "you keep whatever pennies you may or may not have, I got money Idgaf I'm not giving it away" which is the misunderstood antithesis of the concept of the far left.

I assume they're not that big into politics and just wanna appear moderate.

“US politics new speak, can't relate.”

these words are all broad strokes. without specific examples, i'll just put it as lip service and move on

nod and say "okay" or "cool brah"

-- my head

Me as an ESL being utterly confused by people's replies when apparently I understand "conservative" as per Merriam Webster dictionary definition 2.a "marked by moderation or caution"

😵‍💫😵

"I'm simple and don't bother to look deeper into anything"

I am socially liberal and with my personal budget, fiscally conservative. Government money? Different priorities, plenty of stuff would be cheaper when we pool our money like that, so I'm not sure what fiscally conservative means. My gut reaction is that this person isn't socially liberal because regressive government fiscal policies harm the population, you can't really split it out like that. I guess it's someone who doesn't care who you marry or how you dress but also doesn't care if the schools are any good or if there is any enforcement of the rights to do the socially liberal things.

I won't waste my life savings on hookers and blow but you should absolutely have the freedom to do so without judgment

yeah. whatever.

Libertarian

Extreme centrist

Understands the importance of kidness and empathy but doesn't understand economics

Racist. It’s always dogwhistle racism.

As someone who calls himself that:

"I am a liberal but the liberal want to go after the upper middle class instead of after the top 0.1%"

P.S: I'm from Switzerland, so don't tell me about Trump. I knoe he's a fascist and I would have voted against him. But here in Switzerland we have more moderate choices.

I think "I want to keep my money and let you get gay married"

I think in terms of American politics this means you are buying the shit that both sides are peddling to distract you from what the actual problems are and what is actually causing them