Mississippi governor signs bill to let cis people sue trans people if they use the bathroom
Mississippi governor signs bill to let cis people sue trans people if they use the bathroom - LGBTQ Nation
If I ever go to Mississippi I guess I'm gonna have to piss on the governor's mansion instead
Why would you ever do something so disgusting?
Go to Mississippi I mean, it’s the literal worst state in the worst country.
You don't know how much that means to me as a Texan. I was thinking we were the worst, but you give me hope.
the worst country
This seems a little dramatic
Edit: lol downvoted for mildly pushing back against the idea that the US is the worst of the ~200 other countries in the world. Never change, Lemmy.
America sucks but have you heard of Haiti?
The US is the worst country? Wat? Bro, have you heard of North Korea?
Can we petition to rename it Missipississipy?
Too difficult to pronounce. Let's just call it Pississippi. There's too many M states and only one P state anyway 🤷
Bed bugs man
People are starving and unhoused and this is the shit they choose to focus on. People should be mad
People are starving and unhoused and that's exactly why they're focusing on this. To distract people from the source of their actual issues. Bread and circuses.
As a circus performer, I'd rather not be dragged down to the level of these shit heads.
The people sliding the checks under the table to the politicians pounding this worthless wardrum day and night are the same people who profit greatly on the idea that there are people who have, and people who have not. As long as this dichotomy is preserved at all costs, the system remains stable and the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor where they belong: supporting the wealthy with their low-wage labor, and the vast, complicated spectrum in between.
Trans people became the latest convenient target because they're such small segment of the population. They're being singled out exactly because they're easier targets than a racial or ethnic minority. Not that they've stopped pointing at ethnic and racial minorities, but they know that more people will push back a lot harder on overtly stated ideas of racial superiority.
Yes? They're focusing on issues where they don't like status quo.
I was talking to my therapist yesterday about this, before this news dropped. How I couldn't wait to get my new ID card with an F on it so that I could finally go to the bathroom without too much fear. If someone happened to spot that maybe I was trans, I could just put it out and say "look, I'm a woman" and walk away.
But she was in disbelief at this. She genuinely couldn't wrap her head around the idea of someone making a scene because a trans person was in their bathroom. Like, at first, she thought I was blowing up a non existent issue. "Who would do this?!", she asked, And I told her it was an actual issue that lots of people were doing it and therefore lots of trans people avoided the bathroom like the plague.
And when I told her about some US states new laws, taking Utah as an example, her jaw dropped. She had this look of utter disappointment, like I had just chipped away a piece of her faith in humanity.
Not only did the idea never crossed her mind, she couldn't even conceive why it would be a problem. I laughed at this and told her: "That's because you're a normal person."
Just wanted to share this with all of you, especially fellow trans people. It's good to know that while some people are mentally deranged at the idea of my existence, It not only seems to be a very loud minority, but it also seems to be a repellent for a lot of people who cannot grasp their obsessions.
Seeing someone who isn't really aware of our issues in the first place being shocked at these things was relieving. It felt good and gave me hope.
Even though I rationally understand it, I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it. Let someone shit in peace. If I'm in the men's room and someone comes in there that looks like a woman dressed as a man, I couldn't care less.
In fact, if someone came into the men's room and looked like Marylin Monroe in the famous white dress, I couldn't care less.
Piss, shit, whatever.
Just don't talk to me. I'm not in there to make friends.
Imagine going to the bathroom, just to take a shit! How fucking weird, right? (/s)
...seriously, I wonder what these people imagine we're doing in the bathroom. Or hell, what are they doing in the bathroom that warrant such worries?
There’s three acceptable forms of communication in the restroom: functional (eg after you), quick compliments on outfit/makeup (some dislike it but it grew on me), and the far too drunk lady who speaks the wisdom she cannot possess
Damn your therapist kinda sucks though, like how does she not know? And is simultaneously giving mental health care to a trans person? To me, that would be extremely disappointing. It's good that it never occurred to her it would be a problem, but she is atrociously uninformed given that the bathroom laws have been going on for a few years at least.
I'm not from the US nor the UK. This kind of nonsense is only starting to happen in my country, trans people are still something most people don't know about. She doesn't know much about trans issues, but that's not why I went to see her in the first place, I needed help with some other things (autism) which she is particularly qualified to deal with. She is willing to learn and is open minded on trans issues, that's all I can ask for, she is great. :)
Whenever I walk into a public restroom, I whip out my portable lab equipment and forcibly karyotype everyone there. How else am I supposed to piss for 20 seconds in peace?
Can't wait for all the dudes walking into the ladies room simply because of chromosomes. They never consider the reverse when dog whistling...
Pretty sure this already happened to a trans guy once and you wouldn’t guess what they did…. They were mad about a man in the women’s room 🤦♀️
They don't care. Their goal is for trans people to be too afraid to go to any restroom, or for them to face consequences if they dare go to any restroom.
The thing that gets me with this is, how is anyone to know?
If you present as the gender on the door, what are they going to do? Rip your pants down and check? Cop a feel? That’s assault. Peep through the stall? Pretty sure that’s a misdemeanor, most places.
I get the idea behind this is terror, but “Fuck off! I’m shitting here!” should be the only response anyone should get to a nosy question in the bathroom.
It's because these people have the "we can always tell" mentality. But then they're the same people who go harass trans guys on Twitter telling them that they will never be women....
They have an outdated idea of trans people and think that trans women are literally just guys in dresses (kinda like 80s transvestites, if that word is still usable). So they expect to see fucking Frankenfurter from Rocky horror or Eddie Izzard (she's fantastic and all but let's not kid ourselves that she's what they expect trans women to look like)
Well considering that one woman literally pulled another woman's skirt down (not all the way) because she felt it was too short, in front of other people, and then called 911 herself, I wouldn't put it past someone in a bathroom to do worse if they "suspected" someone was trans, whether or not they actually are
Also I'm sorry for all the commas but I already did it and I don't want to edit it lol
And people who would do this think they can always tell. What are the odds they’ll believe a 6’2” woman when she says she was born with the vulva they just made visible?
I’ve met and currently work with more than a few folks, who were neither trans or crossdressers, of both genders that would have trouble “passing” as their own gender.
On a completely unrelated topic:
https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-3-23/
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2020/title-16/chapter-3/article-2/section-16-3-23-1/
I don’t spend as much time in these states so you’ll have to find code yourself but here’s some interesting summaries:
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-mississippi/
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-texas/
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-louisiana/
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-florida/
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/stand-your-ground-in-tennessee/
I always prefer to avoid conflict wherever possible, even if it means not going somewhere I want to go, but it’s always nice to know I have options should things go sideways. Always learn the law in your area. It makes making a profit easier.
Can trans people sue cis people for harassment then?
No. "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." Trans people are one of their main out-groups.
I would always always always rather go to the bathroom with a trans person rather than a conservative. Those people are truly dangerous, and trans people are awesome. They also are not the ones who randomly decide to shoot someone for existing.
All conservatives are trash.
All anybody isn't trash, however most might be.
Except, like, Nazis? I'll agree that people should never be Nazis
No, they were correct.
Typical fascist America.
In fascist capitalist America, they check your genitalia before you use the bathroom.
Every American criticizes North Korea and China for much less.
Mississippi governor volunteers to be a piss-bucket
Let the rest of NA band together and start calling them pississippi and let their residents scratch their heads
I assume that integrated into this bill are guaranteed rights that trans people can countersue for harassment and defamation if they are misgendered while using the legally mandated bathroom.
Ok, so what if dad brings his 3-year-old daughter into the men’s room, or mom brings her infant son into the ladies room? Can I sue over the emotional trauma that caused me?
Or more importantly what if I use the bathroom in my home and then my wife or daughter use it later? Can I sue them both?
You don't have to live next to me
Just give me my equality
Everybody knows about Mississippi
Everybody knows about Alabama
Everybody knows about Mississippi, goddamn
Nina Simone sang it about the black experience in Mississippi in the 1960s. With a couple of minor lyrics changes, it could be about the queer experience today.
"This is a show tune but the show hasn't been written for it yet."
Oh, awesome! Cause that's what I need when I'm struggling. I don't need health care. I don't need a livable wage. I don't need equal rights. I need to sue trans people.
See? Repubs are giving us a path to success. Just sue a trans person who maybe has no money to pay out and everything is fine!
Those poor judges who want to deal with legitimate cases
Oh the fifth circuit is SO excited for this
Edit: I had to google to double check, but yes, Mississippi is part of the fifth circuit (ones of the most conservative appeals courts in the USA)
I'm sure the conservative half of SCOTUS won't complain if it gets kicked up to them either.
That governor looks like an adult baby. Creepy pedo vibes for sure
Peter Griffins special needs brother
If by some foul twist of fate I ever find myself in Mississippi, and by some cruel trick of the Gods I have to use a bathroom in mississippi, and someone while I'm peeing decides to look and check to make sure I have a penis my first instinct would be to shoot that person.
"Sorry your honor. I assume the deceased was gay and I panicked"
You can have my gun.
And my axe
Today, in "problems only people that check other people's private in bathroom have"…
This is some hardcore Jim Crow level shit.
Conservatives are cockroaches.
Cockroaches are just a nuisance. Republicans are cancer.
Cancer roaches... Conservatives are cancer roaches.
I hate conservative ideology but I'm not cool with dehumanizing them in this fashion. That's literally the words of fascism. Jews were referred to as cockroaches in Germany in the 1930s.
Where are people supposed to shit?!
Where does their state congress meet? Inside their desks sounds reasonable to me.
They’re trying to legislate them out of existence.
The entire point is to make their existence illegal. Then no matter what they do you can charge them with the excuse of "they shouldn't have broken the law."
I was wondering if Alabama would somehow be the worst for a while, there's always Mississippi
insanity.
Sounds like people need to start suing the Mississippi governor every time they use a bathroom and demand a genital exam.
Does this also affect any private establishment that wants to have a non-gendered bathroom? Like can those businesses sue the government for overreach for putting an onerous burden on their business for needing more than one bathroom?
I'm not Trans, and abso-fucking-lutely don't want anyone asking what I've got between my legs anytime I need to take a shit.
Republicans want BEARDED, MUSCLEY PENIS-HAVERS TO USE YOUR DAUGHTER'S BATHROOM!
It's interesting to me that I only ever hear men complaining about this issue. That might not be reality, but from what I've seen, men are using "protect our women" as a reason for this hateful legislation when most of the women they are "protecting" don't really care.
Could be confirmation bias.
It's because there's fewer women crazies in power on the right. The ones that have been elected say this kinda hateful rhetoric anytime trans people are brought up to, but most of them aren't elected because Republicans hate women too.
Why isn't this the fucking Onion?
This is a first amendment violation. My bathroom choice is my Expression
What a dick.
God bless Mississippi for being just close enough to Missouri that I have hope that it might not be us
BTW, can a woman sue a man for using the ladies' toilet?
... Yeah wouldn't that be there while point? They don't consider them women, so they are upset that "men" are using the women's room
Right, but can a cis woman sue a cis man for using the women's toilet? I have to assume the answer is yes, there would be legal grounds to sue. Or at least that the lawmakers and governor believe there would be.
Some state has to be the worst in every category, the other 49 states should thank Mississippi for claiming that spot in perpetuity.
Cue them freaking out when bearded hairy trans men are forced to use women's washrooms because of this law.
I'd give even odds that this guy has tried on panty hose at least once.
we need to make suing people illegal, i think.
Petty lawsuits should not just be dismissed but the accuser should be charged with a misdemeanor.
i think we should allow lawsuits if you assume the full cost of the suit, meaning that if it's an ez win, you can just pro bono that shit.
imagine being one of the guys to get run over by some careless celebrity's SUV though. "every bone in your body is shattered and your legs and torso are beyond recognition? too bad you can't sue me over it"
or you know, something actually serious like getting your water supply tainted by some company dumping chemicals. that's not as funny as attempted vehicular homicide though
see that's called personal injury. Which is a little different to suing someone because "they went into the wrong bathroom, i think."
your water supply being tainted would more than likely be a government headed suit anyway. Thats kind of the point behind regulations.
I was mostly talking about the bullshit frivolous suits that people like to shit out because their feelings get hurt.
How about sign a bill to have proper doors on stalls so no one can see you? Then it doesn't matter.
Sounds like communism
No no, the boogey man is currently "socialism"