Fediverse situation right now

They already have a platform It's called 4chan
- And Voat and Gab and Truth

Fuck fascism mkay

Nazi leemings.... Go fuck yourself!

Some real controversial hot take right here
- It was a play on "nazi punks fuck off" and "Russian Warship, Go Fuck Yourself". But have it you're way.

I hope the nazis do stay out because I was really excited for voat for about a day until it became nazi town

You can't hope they stay out. Admins and moderators have to take active steps to push them out. I want to give some kudos to lemmy.world for getting out in front of this, and I want to name and shame sh.itjust.works for having a vote in their agora community almost a week ago and then proceeding to do nothing
- Moderating is time consuming, tedious and done by volunteers. I'm not surprised that they get overrun after the latest influx of users.
I received a modest amount of downvotes on the big R for saying something similar.
I also commented (well, asked a rhetorical question but definitely got answers) here a couple of days ago that places that claim to be for free thought and expression tend to be full of either harmful garbage or nonsense conspiracy theories.
All it's going to take is one instance that isn't defederated with a jailbait community or someone with a poorly trained militia planning an act of terrorism to get Lemmy or kbin painted with the "great place for pedos" or "Nazi haven" brush.
- I think I saw a post about how punk bars have an absolute 0-nazi policy because there isn't a real between a bar with nazis and a nazi bar. Other people will leave, nazis will realize they're safe there.
- I think the thing that makes lemmy and kbin difficult concepts for normies will also protect it from blanket association with nazis if one instance is infiltrated. Most people don't fully understand the distinction between the shared protocol and a site's domain.
  People might think "lemmy is full of nazis", but it won't mean anything to them if I say i'm hanging out on midwest.social. To them it'll just sound like a regional blog website.
How I felt about Gab until they did the same and quickly. Like the mods and administrators were nazi and racist too.
I was looking forward to Voat but all the hateful/pedo subs migrating to it were bound to turn it into a cesspool.
- Sounds a lot like Minds
Wasn't voat created because reddit was banning hate subs?
- No, it was just where the people from those subs decided to go and ruin.

as a jewish person.. all i have to say is what the fuc

It's the internet, there's Nazis everywhere. I got to see how they work (on the internet) because they converted a long time acquaintance of mine. I'm going to start working on some mod tools to help shut their bullshit down once work stops being a shitnado.
- Sorry to hear about your acquaintance. Fuck nazi and thank you we need people to make sure we keep them the fuck out. Fuck nazi and I believe it's only time punching someone wouldn't be considered violent since to me a nazi isn't a person our worth being considered human. But fucking monsters.
- Except they are
- Found the Nazi. Get the fuck out of here.

Just let them have their of naziverse. I don't want to see it.

I’m a bit out of loop, are there more info to share about?
- There's a lemmy server where a lot of alt-right and more extreme views have sub-lemmys. It got defederated by Lemmy.World and others and now they're upset that most people on other servers don't get to see their hate-speech.
- All I've seen so far was that there was a (inactive) The_Donald community on one of the bigger instances, which sparked a bit of drama...
- Here's the link

Lol thats perfect. Link for the uninitiated:

https://lemmy.world/post/694810

- Same shit as 2016, different venue. A naive implementation of free-speech values says that they should have a chance to talk, but bringing understanding to the mix reveals that they don't also value free speech, and their speech suppresses far more than it promotes.
"blackconservative"
Does Lemmy have an "r/asablackman" sub yet? Because I'm getting that vibe.
If you're gonna make your username your political identity, I already don't want yo talk to you.
- He literally called referred to himself as Blackman in one of his responses to me. No not "black man", but "Blackman". Maybe just a typo but his responses were hilariously sad and I wish I screenshotted it.
  I don't know if @blackconservative@lemmy.world is actually black but if he is... good lord.
- I've noticed this person multiple times making similar posts on various sh.itjust.works internal communities and constantly getting downvoted into oblivion. They're a disgrace.
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Is there a running list of bigot instances that I can block?

Ah yes, block entire instances en masse without the hassle of actually making the decision yourself, that would be nice
- I run my own instance so that i can take a little control over the drivel that scrolls past my eyes. Far right ideologies don't deserve a platform or an audience.
- Nazi's deserve to be named, shamed, and ignored.
- Blocking instances actually makes the lives of instance admins a lot easier. It not only reduces a whole chunk of problematic content for you to moderate, but it also encourages Nazis to go to the servers you block instead of yours. Nazis can't subscribe to the subs they want to on your server, and they get banned if they say Nazi shit, so they just leave and go to a Nazi server instead. It's like fly paper for Nazis lol.
  As a Mastodon admin with a few thousand users, I rarely see Nazi content that I have to moderate. And that's because when I started I spent an enormous amount of time sifting through every server we federated with and blocking all of the Nazis and all the pedos and all the TERFs. And because I did that at the start, I only get maybe 10 reports a week, none of them are content that would traumatize me (almost always spam), and I also helped the servers that now use my list to do the same.
  Blocking instances not only makes it easier for me to do my job, it encourages other admins to not tolerate these kinds of behaviors as well. Because if they don't moderate well, that attracts Nazis, and then we have to limit or ban them because we're volunteers. So everyone just ends up blocking the shittiest servers and moderates their user base well. It's a win/win for everyone.
  Nazis are not entitled to access to minorities on my server. TERFs are not entitled to access to trans users on my server. Assholes are not entitled to have access to an audience on my server. There are tons of white supremacists or TERFs or other assholes hosting plenty of other servers where they can go and do that. But I don't want that on servers I host and my users don't want that on servers I host. If you truly believe free speech is such a big fucking deal, then you are welcome to leave and join one of those rotting servers as well. See how fun that is for you and how long it takes for you to come crawling back.
There is! Browse by instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, beehaw.org/instances or lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances. They have the most up to date list of people-commonly-disagreed-with-by-lefties. You can start blocking right away 😊
- The problem with these lists is that people sneak things on to them.
  I’m an admin on (and owner of) lemmy.ninja. We have clear anti-harassment rules, up front, in bold, front page. We have zero bots (checked daily). We have users that are LGBTQIA+. I have zero tolerance for bigotry.
  Yet our site is on the lists provided.
  Apparently it doesn’t matter (the lists don’t work) because all of my cross posts (from my boomer shooter community) are available on beehaw.org in their gaming section.
  So these lists can be used as weapons, if they work. When thy don’t work they are just an indictment without evidence.

Lemmy in!

Please Lemmy off Mr. Huffman's wild ride!...

some of you need to stop calling everything you don't like a nazi

Pretty bold comment considering many of the people are actual swastika-waving Nazis. Stop defending them.
- I'll defend anyone's right to free speech. Doesn't mean I agree with them.
- i don't think any of you have so much as peeked over there
What if I don't like Nazis?
Some of you need to get away from the Nazis before they start burning.
what a weird thing to say
oh i'm sorry... you're actually a patriot and january 6th was a peaceful protest.
- I think this reinforces their point. While it's certainly an extremist group, many of them don't explicitly identify as Nazis. They are something else that have ideologies that may overlap with Nazis, but it's incorrect to call all of them Nazis.
  It's important to be accurate and reasonable in these cases. If a group that disagrees with another group makes a claim that is not realistic or simply incorrect, then it makes them less credible, and that weakens their voice.
  Additionally, the Nazi party did some nasty, nasty things. If these people are called the literal title of Nazis, then it dilutes the true evil from the history of the real Nazis. You can say they have Nazi-influenced ideologies, or you could call them fascists, but Nazi is a very specific thing.
  By the way, Putin overreached the definition of Nazis as a deciding factor in his initial speech about invading Ukraine. I won't make any commentary on this. Just think about that.
Consider this-the majority of people aren't using it incorrectly , just to describe people you like?
B-but my disagreement is big! They're clearly fascists.
Okay, we'll call it "woke" instead.

NEIN!

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LET ME IN

LET ME INNNNNN!!!

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I love that this is being continued here. Where are y'all organizing?
- As of right now, I'm transcribing freelance. I'm not sure if or when an organized effort will move to Lemmy.
Good human

Gab users be like

unfortunately there are a ton of fascists and fascist instances on fedi
- Most get fedederated. Once I got raided by Nazis on Mastodon who sent me a lot of dead threats and poorly made anti trans. I messaged my friend who manages the backend of our instance and we defederated like 20 instances that day.
- We're making fun of the people. They're welcome to use the fedi, and it's for everyone. But they're still dumbass Nazis lol. We defederate because we don't want to hear their same copy&paste racist talking points over and over.

Good

Fuck the nazis

Who knew distributed social media would be such a good idea

Put all the Nazis in one Instance. Then, defederate them.
- Provide the URL to the hate crimes division and the January 6th panel
- Dinner Party!
- Love to "defederate" Nazis
  :)

Obligatory Dead Kennedys post

Furthremore, The Muslims

They probably won’t ever stay fully out, since anyone can make an instance, just up to mods and individuals to block them and not federate with obvious natzi communities.

Utopia has always been a process, never a destination. You will never be able to elect humans that will act in your interests forever. You must stay alert and aware of the happenings around you and constantly advocate for yourself and those who can't.

Except instead of Nazis (?!?!) it's corporations.

That's frequently the same thing.
- Seriously, it's ridiculous. Why is nobody holding Google accountable for the Holocaust?
It's both
Blending of corporate and state power is one of the 14 characteristics
- Where is the state power in the fediverse?

I leave for like two days and shit’s going on without me

***Without me? ***

Huge drama surrounding instances that have a major far-right presence and certain instances cutting connections (defederating), while others aren't (staying federated).
- I like how someone put it in another thread. From the "defederaters," The argument most seen is: "if there's a nazi at the table and you say nothing, it's a table full of nazis." The most common counter-argument is "it's actually like a stadium full of people with some nazi's in the corner jerking themselves off." From the "federators," the most common argument is "defederation defeats decentralization," and the most common counter to this is simply: "fuck off nazi!"
  I find the whole situation quite extraordinary to see unfold and be a part of.
- We have both extremes actually, both ultra left and right. Both got defederated by some major instances.

Left wingers and calling everyone that slightly disagrees with them "literally hitler" name a better duo.

"We want to kill minorities" is not a difference of opinion.
Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.
You’re just salty because you don’t like when people call you out on it. Just go join their instance and be among your peers and leave everyone else alone.
- Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.
  Exaclty. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” - Desmond Tutu
Right wingers/"centrists" regarding disinformation, populism, fear-mongering, and hatred as mere different opinions?

Out of the loop. Can someone give me a short explanation?

Sorry for hijacking your comment, it's the first one that popped up for me when I opened this thread.
If you're just discovering this post, trust me, it's not worth reading. The comments are 50% nazis and 50% morons. There is no discourse ahead, only name calling, denouncing, whataboutism, and some really fucked up thoughts and people. You don't need this in your day. You already know that nazis are bad, and nazis aren't the only bad people. Go to illegallysmolcats instead
The instance at exploding-heads.com got defederated from by a lot of instances and among them the largest one lemmy.world
It happened due to them allowing hatespeech like "tranny faggot". Top post now is complaining about how the rest is sensitive libs and in the same breath call "Joe Biden is a pedo". They're throwing a tantrum about how they're getting cancelled because they can't smell the shit under their own shoe.
- It's not necessary to repeat the hate speech they got defederated over, you can just say "transphobic/homophobic slurs".
Like always, the intolerant people expect to be tolerated, and when they aren't they bitch about free speech

A lot of people seem to just call people they've barely interacted with a nazi wtf

Always good to see horseshoe theory poke up it's ugly head

Nein!

The tankies have been here for a while so it's only a matter of time.

Tankies aren't nearly as harmful as Nazis, they don't make communities unsafe. You can disagree with a tankie and that's the end of it. With Nazis, it's completely different.
- it's all socialism to me
- I don't know there's lots of people in these ML Utopias that would big to differ with you on that. As someone who tends more LM myself. Marxist Leninists are a very real threat and shouldn't be simply brushed off. You're not wrong and saying that they are not the same type or intensity of threat as Nazis. But given enough control and power many of them are ready and eager to assassinate/slaughter etc those they disagree with. It's more a difference of numbers. In the United States we've been indoctrinated and miseducated about socialism for over 100 years. To where people reflexively recoil at any mention of socialists good or bad. They don't really differentiate. To them all socialists are bad. Whereas over the last 100 years Nazism was modeled over groups here in the United States. Who've been in power and existed throughout all that time. If that ratio changed we would be much more concerned about the ML.

Can I just say, I love the immediate response by admins. I didn't even see the other posts before this one.

Lol

Neither of those are denied by anyone here, shoo
Apparently liking worker rights and to reduce wealth equality means you're a full blown CCP worshipper. I just want to be paid a livable wage and have better human rights dude.
Yeah extreme ideologies are bad, but instead of talking left vs right, which is pointless as you are trying to comp genocidal maniacs against eachother. They are all totalitarian evil, we put extra labels on so we can pick sides.
how about we consider why groups want control over your life. The left cares for society and group rights, the right cares for individual rights. I could argue the value of both, but we are overpopulated and the desires of the individual shouldn't be valued greater than that of a society, our environment, quality of life, right to health and security from violence and economic greed. Im not saying the left is good at what they do but at least they try to manage the mess instead of arrogantly assuming market forces, churches or the metaphysical can or will solve peoples unnecessary suffering.

the comments, man. you people are a bunch of maoists

- it's a picture of an anime girl with a stylized nazi armband

tja

I like the mythic quest approach

Keep the Nazis out. with flames and force is necessary. Both online & in real life.

Is there any problem with the statement that the far-left is trash and sucked as much as the far-right?
Only if you don't have an issue lying, if you're fine with lying, I guess you wouldn't have an issue saying that...
Ever heard of horseshoe theory?
Yeah, it's that thing trumpers and "moderates" constantly talk about. There's no logic or facts to back it up, but they sure love repeating it.
I have a question tho, why are your only two comments talking about how "nazis aren't really that bad"?

activitypub is bad and dumb