Society is getting sick of selfish "Conservative values"

This mindset is aggressively capitalistic...

Basically, the capitalistic mindset is: you need to earn your living and pay for everything that you get.

So when he qualifies it with "able to work but unwilling to work" ... In his mind, that's an egregious fault that puts a person into a place in his mind where they are invalid, and not worthy of anything.

This is how these fucks think. No empathy. No humanity. No "helping" anyone with anything unless they get something in return .

It's about them, and they don't want to "pay for" (via taxes) someone else's healthcare when that person did not earn it for themselves.

They're dicks. Every last fucking one of them.

This is red herring. I'm not saying the subject of health care for the unemployed is not important, but framing the question like this distract from the practice of tying health insurance to the employer, which is the real problem.

When I grew up, everyone got cholera and dysentery! If people don't get it now, that's UNFAIR! Getting these diseases builds character.

If we want our kids to be SERIOUS we need to let them get cholera and dysentery. After all, both are totally natural.

My father got cholera on New Years Eve from oysters here in Aus. Besides a mild fever and 2 days on an IV drip, he was fine. Not a great thing but far more manageable than back in the day.
- Cool story, bro

And this mindset is, ladies and gentlemen, the one that improved the spreading of deadly diseases.

Free public healthcare is not only about you being healthy. It's also about you not spreading diseases to everyone you cross on the street.

Yeah but what if they look different to me?
- Don't worry. They're all being deported so that won't be a problem if "the plan" succeeds.
- Well fuck them. Clearly. /s (did I really need to include this?)

It's not free. We all work to lift up the most vulnerable people in our society. I am very thankful to be an able bodied person that pays taxes. I'll never look down upon anyone that needs to use public assistance.

I'm sick and fucking tired of Republicans talking about welfare queens.

Meanwhile these assholes suck off the public teat and do nothing to give back to anyone except the donor class.
- I think you maybe didn't understand my point. It seems like you drank from the right wing talking points fire hose.
This. And when we lift people up, it generally helps get people out of poverty and become contributing members of society.
It's not a hand out, it's a hand up. And for those that dgaf about helping their neighbors, it also is generally cheaper to help people once and get them squared away, vs being screwed up for life, committing crimes and using up tax dollars on police/justice/jail/cleanup resources.
In short, literally everyone should be on the same page. It's the moral and economically right thing to do, lol.
Exactly. I tell people all the time I am happy to pay taxes and heck I’d even pay more in taxes, but what I want is for everybody to pay their fair share.
I don’t even know how it’s become so radical these days. We’ve got governments around the world being elected and saying governments can’t be trusted so let’s give it all to corporations.
It's "free at time of service" which is an important distinction. Everyone in a community contributes in some way to fire services. The fire brigade doesn't ask for payment before they arrive at the scene.
Health should not be tied to employment. You shouldn't be afraid to take care of your health because you're between jobs. I imagine that people who do visit doctors regularly have better health and as a result lower healthcare costs. If you have to worry about how you're going to pay for it you're less likely to go.
I pay a fair amount to cover my family and pay a fair bit more in taxes if it meant that I didn't have to worry about my employment to get coverage or knew that my child would be covered in the future.

Show me all these 28 year olds who refuse to work. Because I see mostly 28 year olds who want to work but can’t find jobs, and a handful who wish they could work but are disabled.

This fucking out of touch hoser needs to spend a day in the real world.

I think I figured it out. These guys are thinking of themselves when they were younger. They mooched off mommy and daddy's money after college until they were forced to get a job. They assume everyone's life is like that.
- This is also the secret to how guys like Bezos start a company from a garage; they mooched off their parents, so didn't have to worry about how long it took to make any money.
- or they come from WEALTH, and they were mooching of from parents even to this day, and became wealthy themselves.
I see way too many 28 year olds who aren't working at one job, they're working two.
And they are still struggling to raise their kids.
This country's rulers have asked its working class to try or accept every solution except the one that those rulers are paid to pretend doesn't work; taxing the shit out of rich people.
Don't change the hypothetical.
He asked if a 28 yo who can work but refuses to should receive free health care.
I dunno about you but my answer is yes.
- First: do no harm.
  Second: make sure your patient is contributing to society in accordance with his ability.
- Exactly. This is how the message gets watered down and ends up means tested garbage. I believe in universal healthcare that is free at the point of service.
- I don’t think I changed the hypothetical. He seems to be complaining there are out-of-work 28 year olds who aren’t, I dunno, taking the backbreaking vacancies left by all the migrants they’re deporting for like $2/hour, plus that they want healthcare. Both are ignorant takes, but the ‘they don’t want these jobs’ thing stands out to me because we fucking told them nobody can hope to live on those wages, so bitching ‘kids these days’ don’t want these jobs is a massive facepalm.
  Of course we should have universal healthcare.
  e: and to be clear, none of these jobs will ever be filled by citizens, not because they’re ‘above it’ or whatever, but you can’t usually extort a citizen into ‘wages’ that low (read: make them a literal slave) by holding their visa hostage or threatening to have them deported back to the situation they fled from. And some of those situations are far, far worse than being dramatically underpaid.
Plus 28yo likely doesn’t cost much on healthcare anyway.
The whole question is a distraction
They don’t want 28 year olds to work.
They want 28 year olds to works for peanuts.
- Idk how many employees Charles Schulz can support being dead for 25 years BUT I bet they really want these 28 year olds to pick the peanuts and other crops. But then they will say you can't have free health care because you don't make enough picking fields.
The point to these chucklefucks is their base is so outraged at the thought of anyone getting something for nothing that they'd rather have everyone else go without just to avoid the possibility.
- It’s easy to get people angry when you convince them all their hard work meant less than they think, and even easier if they think someone else got something without having to work as hard.
  We see this in all animals that understand fairness, and it’s the fastest way to turn monkeys against each other (visibly give away grapes unevenly if you want somebody’s face to get ripped off).
  It’s also a very primal manipulation tactic that works quite well, so long as you can redirect the animosity.
Wanting a job for income and wanting to work are very different indeed but your point stands.
- I believe most people want to contribute, but our society isn’t set up to align individual interest and aptitude with need.
  If we’re asking the majority of people to grind their own bones into dust doing something they hate for a pittance, that’s a large part of the problem. Some people love cleaning (like my sister), others love woodworking or cooking or streaming. But we’re forcing square pegs into round holes because we give no thought whatsoever to how people’s skills, aptitude, and interest might align with society’s needs, then we’re shocked pikachu when most are unhappy and thus unproductive.
- I have never, and I mean TRULY NEVER wanted to work.
  But I am not stupid, so I know I NEED to work in order to live.
  Not wanting to give the majority of my day to a company that makes more in one second than 10,000 minimum wage employees make in a month is not "being lazy".
  1/3 is already taken by sleeping, and you fucking want me to just give up another 1/3? For THIS shit pay? Entirely Fuck Off.
  Plus it costs me money just to get to work.
most of the one im seeing are working, the ones arnt working are probably lazy conservatives.

Just flip the question around and think about it for a sec. Should people who can work but don't and then get sick just die? Obviously fucking not, that's insane.

"who refuse to work" - And how many people is that? Numbers please.

If someone refuses to work, that's the problem you need to address. Not that dumb question.

who refuse to work
Minimum wage jobs that limit you to 20 hours a week.
- So they legally dont have to supply you with healthcare, you know that thing you need to keep you from getting sick and help you when your sick that is for some reason tied to you being employed in the first place?

Stop framing it as you might help others that take advantage of the system and frame it as helping yourself and those who might need it legitimately.

There will always be bad eggs in society. Including this representative that punishes the many for the failures of the few. You cannot have civilization without the outliers. But you can help the majority even if there are a few leeches. It says a lot about the right wing when their public face is hypocritical selfishness.

Stop framing it as you might help others that take advantage of the system and frame it as helping yourself and those who might need it legitimately.
Exactly. You know what I see when I see someone who "just doesn't want to work?" I see someone likely struggling with depression or other mental health issues. And I'm not so prideful that I believe I'm immune to those mental health struggles. I'm certainly not immune from them. None of us are. And if I fall into such a dark place in the future, I don't want to risk dying or bankruptcy just because I'm struggling with my mental health. If someone thinks they can't fall into such a dark place, they're a fool.
Awkwardly stated at the start there but you pulled it back at the end
- “Advantage” can be interpreted differently - as in legitimate usage vs selfish gain.

If you dont give them healthcare then congrats you've just lost a 28 year old that could have been a productive member of the workforce. Reps are so short sighted it hurts.

"The threat of actual, literal death is the only way we can coerce people into working."

"Refuse to get a job" lol. Listen, I've dealt with my state's unemployment insurance claim website and it's awful. Anyway they're gonna implement people proving they're "not refusing to get a job" is going to be poorly thought out and half baked which will inevitably lead to people not getting healthcare.

"Refusing to get a job" folks are the same ones who kick and scream when you whisper "affirmative action" or "job security" in their ears.
These guys aren't happy unless they can buy and sell the working class at auction, then whip them into the ground to maximize ROI.
During 2020 I moved states after leaving a job. Then I was seasonally laid off in PA. I didn't qualify for unemployment because I didn't work enough in the look back period of PA, and didn't qualify for NY because I willingly switched state residencies and I didn't work there recently enough. Unemployment being left up to states is an extra layer of bull - especially for anyone considering un/employment numbers as some kind of valid metric.
a job
The people making the requires don't care how good the job is or what it pays. In some places, there simply aren't good jobs. I'd rather we as a society used our combined economic power (taxes) to take care of the basic needs of everyone, regardless of whether they have a job or not. Or if their job pays $7/hr or $500k a year.
In my state, in order to keep unemployment you have to prove that you made some sort of action towards getting a job on at least five separate days every week. Also, declining a job offer, no matter how bad it might be, ends the unemployment immediately.
Oh and also we have one of the lowest amounts of benefits and you can only be on for about 24 weeks before they cut you off entirely. Also, they don't pay the first week after you're approved.
- I got laid off from my last job, and for the first time ever in my career I got paid a severance. As it turned out, however, the total amount of the severance was about $100 less than the total amount I could have gotten from unemployment. I say "could have" because any amount you get as a severance is deducted from the amount of unemployment you're eligible for, so had I applied for unemployment I would have been eligible for the grand total of $100 - definitely not worth the hassle.
  I can't really complain, I guess. I got the whole amount up front instead of in dribs and drabs for six months, and I didn't have to pretend to be looking for work at any point.

Even if you if you agree with the premise, it still always costs us all more in the long run when people don’t get healthcare.

We need to provide healthcare early and often. Turns out there’s a high correlation between well-fed healthy people and people who learn effectively and have the energy and aptitude to be productive later in life!

Plus, the less often people are laid up, the more time they can spend on doing things: raising family, working, making society feel worth being part of.
The wealthy are corroding the foundation of society, and they will suffer when the building collapses upon them. People are the source of civilization.
Kinda depends on what kind of economy you want. If you need an educated population for advanced work, provide healthcare and welfare in general. If you just need some schmucks to work in the mines or sweatshops, it's much less of a priority. You get what you pay for in the end.
- Our main issue is that the 1% get to say what kind of economy we want instead of the other 99%. We all know the 1% would love to replace all humans with AI.
- I think the 1% are idiots. Culture comes from people, and the wealthy go out of their way to prevent the fostering of culture. New foods, new media, tourism, people to do things with, all vanishing because the people are too busy being run ragged for the sake of a line going up.
  Money is inherently boring. Money is just a means of accessing cool stuff, but if neat things goes extinct, money becomes pointless. The elites are myopic as hell.
  With every million people forced to be burger flippers, a George Lucas or Hideo Kojima won't have a career. Our overlords are robbing themselves of a more interesting life.
people who learn effectively
There's the sticking point; one side of the political spectrum opposes learning
This is an argument I've made a few times, well run public healthcare is the fiscally conservative position because it costs much less over time than what we have today.

would you trust a guy named after an alien race that conquers world.

Master Chief: Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a cartoon plumber.
Luigi: What about side-a by side-a with a friend?
He is the embodiment of the conservative hive mind group think. Not much different from the destructiveness of the Flood.

I saw that. It was best described as ritual humiliation. Fucking delicious.

I want a healthcare system that works for everyone. I want to not have to worry that I am going to die or go massively in debt because I get sick. I HAVE insurance and these are still the things that I worry about. Unfortunately the people who are in control are bought and paid for by healthcare lobbyists

Edit: check out Rep Mike Flood's top donor industries

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/mike-flood/summary?cid=N00050145

All the budgeting in the world did not save me from the massive bills to treat conditions I was born with. I live paycheck to paycheck because of it.
I had good insurance and worked in a very good career for decades, but my health issues and disability have wrecked me. I can’t afford food, I’ve chipped a tooth that hurts like hell but can’t afford a dentist, and I’ve been staving off homelessness by the skin of my teeth. I can’t afford anything now* and can no longer afford to live, even though I did everything ’right’.
People like this dickhead who think you can ‘just work harder’ are delusional.

I'd much rather see some of my hard earned money go towards benefiting my fellow citizens rather than like the pockets of some prick billionaire

Or a worthless ballroom attached to the Whitehouse. Multiple golf trips around the planet and genocide in the middleeast. America first just turned into filling the swamp with our money.

Guess people start to realise that to deny one person because of reasons, they can deny another person for any other reason. Even a developing country can have free healthcare without discrimination, US have no excuse.

Shouldn't matter what you or don't do, we all deserve health care... you fucking creep

He doesn't work and gets free healthcare.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=whE75zEFBpU

I think there are more people than there are meaningful jobs. Like, not everyone needs to be a product person.

Let's do universal basic income, make the essentials free, and let people live life. I have a friend that enjoys being around people, and would work at a coffee shop, but that doesn't pay enough for them to pay for food and housing. I've worked with people who are kind of a net negative at their org, but they're there because they need money to live. It's a bad system.

Maybe it made more sense in like 600CE when your little settlement would collapse if everyone didn't farm all day, but that's not today's world.

I used to work at wal-mart in their tire center. That was the happiest I've ever been at a job. I was good at it, it wasn't too challenging but oddball things happened often enough to make it interesting, I got to BS with my co-workers all day and spend time outside when it was nice out. The only problem was it didn't pay.
The job I have now pays better than anything else I've found by a lot (still can't afford a house) but I hate pretty much every aspect of it. It's almost entirely playing the middle man on a bunch of different projects between users and vendors doing interpersonal shit that I hate dealing with and yet, am still somehow better at than most of my peers... It's not like it's hard work, it's just emailing and phone calls and meetings all day and most of the difficulty comes with the bean counters and c-levels changing course spontaneously without regard for what we're currently working on.
If myself and people like me didn't have to force ourselves into these positions out of desperation I think a lot of them would disappear, or at least be left to the middle management types that thrive on feeling like they're in charge of things and leave us to do the technical shit that we're made for.
And how many want to be entrepreneurs but can't because they lose their healthcare. Sometime something entrepreneurs backbone of economy.
I think that if we had good UBI, people will naturally gravitate towards niches they are suited for. People who like the ocean, will be able to wait for a job opening to become available and slot in, rather than forcing themselves into being an indoor grocer. Those who care for children, will be able to take the training and be on a waitlist for local childcare facilities.
Without the race to earn money just to live, people can afford to wait for a place where they belong.
I think there are more people than there are meaningful jobs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs
Well documented that there's a ton of make-work and very little value add to quite a bit business bureaucracy.
The most successful businesses are often those that operate as make-work mills and gatekeepers, rather than material value-adding firms.
Whether that means we have a ceiling on meaningful work, or we simply don't have anyone doing critical tasks, is an open question. But given our volume of waste and our profound lack of public services, I'm willing to bet a lot of high value labor is neglected in the race to fabricate opportunities for rent seeking.
- I can at least speak to one type of value-add, which is wastewater. I worked in a wastewater plant for a year as a lab tech. I even planned to get my operator license so I could stay on as an operator.
  While it isn't "neglected", I would have quite literally been making $15/hr as an operator, at a time where I could have gone literally to any minimum wage job and made about that much in my area. That's not taking into account the 84-hr week you're pulling every week - 12 hrs on, 12 hrs off, 7 days (but you're on-call when you're not there). Benefits? Haha. And this was at a major metropolitan plant. I talked to a few smaller plants in the more rural exurbs and they literally were wanting to pay me $8/hr or less, with no benefits either, and they insisted that this was enough to "buy a house in the area".
Let’s do universal basic income, make the essentials free, and let people live life.
What you are proposing is wildly unrealistic and not even Communism espouses the idea.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." - Karl Marx / Étienne-Gabriel Morelly / whoever else.
It doesn't say "From each according to their desire, to each according to their want." and that's because no society that hasn't reached Star Trek replicator levels of post-scarcity could survive such a plan.
As Frederick Hicks noted "There are no issues with this principle as long as there is enough of everything for everybody. But this is not the case and probably never will be, because "man's wants tend always to outstrip his ability to supply them.... [Therefore] it will be necessary to have an agency for determining relative amounts of men's needs."
In most societies today the determining Agency is the Free Market via the value of your labor. In a Communist (Marxist?) society that Agency would be a Committee of Workers but in either case there exists, and must exist, a mechanism to stop the free loaders and abusers.
This isn't a defense of today's hyper-capitalist societies either, we need to be doing far better at reigning that shit in and taking care of people. It is however a push-back against the idea that existence should be without cost and that anything requiring effort needs to be enjoyable.
- There's a big gap between "Food, housing, and health care is provided to all" and "take whatever you want, man".
- What part of "basic" do you not understand?

how about 28 year olds that could be owner/operator of a small business, but cant quit their job because of health insurance?

Yeah the job mobility angle of tying health insurance (and retirement accounts etc) to employers is something that doesn't get enough discussion. It's almost like the system is designed to keep employer's thumb on the workers 🤔
The other angle is that it a much greater burden on small businesses to provide benefits than megacorps, so it is inherently anti small business
- I've gotten around the "you must work for The Company for 3 years to be fully vested in your retirement" rule. The trick is to be laid off--generally, when you leave in a layoff they instantly vest your account. It's worked for me twice so far.
- I’ve been complaining about this for years. My career is in the arts so we rely on my husband’s job for insurance. But what if something happened to him? My job doesn’t even offer insurance; even when I worked for a bigger nonprofit that did, it was crap insurance and expensive to boot because the company wasn’t big enough to get competitive rates.
- I mean, it's not designed for any of these things, but they're"happy" little coincidences resulting from companies trying to skirt wage maximum laws during WWII.

Hell, even if I didn't, the means testing and their errors wouldn't be worth it.

Part of the problem with neoliberalism is that humans are somewhat wired to a gift economy. Part of the right to rule comes from the giving of services and benefits. A Friedman government leaves those less fortunate acutely aware that the government doesn't benefit us at all.

The government's right to enforce property laws in part stems from the fact that part of taxation is earmarked for redistribution. Even kings understood that a decent portion of their job was to attempt to balance the needs of the peasantry and the nobility, because either could cause serious problems when sufficiently pissed off.

Even if you're selfish, free healthcare for all makes sense. A 28-year-old who doesn't work can still be a disease vector, and if they don't stay healthy now they will be an even bigger health burden later in life.

I think it's less selfishness than a morality derived from:

slave-owners, who had to force enslaved people to work
puritanical christians who assumed human nature was naturally lazy and immoral
zero-sum business owners who don't want to see others "get ahead" in ways they hadn't
people who believe raising a family isn't "real work", just something you should do between jobs

Or maybe they can't work due to autoimmune disease or chronic illness and maybe even could work if they had healthcare...

How dare someone who isn't propping up a corporation at the moment exist? FUCK THESE MONSTERS. Glad people are finally waking up to the fact that the "blame your lazy neighbor" strategy is bull shit. Capitalism feeds on labor and gives too little of our value back in exchange.

These assholes really go out of their way to be dicks don't they? Health care for all means ALL

They shouldn’t get free video game consoles, or candy, or sex or anything.

But everyone deserves healthcare. GFC.

healthcare facilities should have those things in the waiting rooms imo
like the days of playing smash at the mall in the booth at the front of the dpmt store
- “In the waiting room we have Smash, some low sugar candy called Smash, and smash.”

I swear 99% of the time these people that "don't want to work" just have some undiagnosed mental or physical illness that makes working way harder for them than it is for everyone else. And maybe healthcare could help with that?

Also, it takes about 60 applications to get to the second round of an interview. There is no work, and it's a full time job just to apply for one. No shit people would rather just DoorDash or something rather than jump through a million hoops to get continuously rejected.

“Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.”

Pearl Buck, The Good Earth

screaming that society is immoral and that family values are going extinct, and laying down for a bunch of oligarchs, corpos and gangsters like the tech bro megalomaniacs , MAGA, and the Russian Mob State, all because you're mildly annoyed about an internet video of a green haired bisexual girl or something, but you can't voice your opinions on facebook anymore because no one will listen to you / you got banned, so you gotta make it your RL personality now

screaming that society is immoral and that family values are going extinct, and laying down for a bunch of oligarchs, corpos and gangsters like the tech bro megalomaniacs
if that is christian "heaven" then i'd rather go to hell

isn't mike flood getting paid despite congress going on vacation for the entire month of august (because they didn't want to release the epstein files)?

Surely poor health will help them become a productive little worker drone.

I think the idea is they will work or they will die. Note, this doesn't apply to the obscenely wealthy.

Refuse to get work.

they're unqualified for it, or just disabled enough to not be able to properly do it.

Accelerate class warfare.

If we can't make the rich fear for their lives, at least make them fear for their wealth.

Tax the fucking rich.

Lol even the work-shy young adult strawman isn't landing

~~Link to video?~~ https://youtube.com/shorts/OddkfsZcXYk

Also we just went through 2 mass unemployment events in recent history. This is the pants on fire moment and everyone's talking like it didn't happen

THANK YOU

I'll believe it when I actually see it.

I don't know much / anything about the particular crowd being referenced in that meme.

What I do know is my conservative neighbors, conservative family, and so on. These people legitimately and without any shame or self reflection believe that because they did not get "free healthcare" nobody else deserves it. They are unwavering in the belief that they should not have to pay for other people's medical bills. They truly think that anybody getting government healthcare (aside from retirees) is a leach on society and that they cannot afford to keep paying for those people.

I know this because I have conservative neighbors, conservative family members, and so on. And they aren't the least bit afraid to air their opinion on this any chance they get. Now I don't live in Nebraska USA, but I honestly have a hard time believing that conservatives in the midwest are all that different from conservatives on the east coast.

Please let them know that you can't be refused emergency care in the US and the cost of those uncovered unreimbursed ER visits ultimately result in larger private insurance premiums when the hospitals use them to cover the losses. It's cheaper for everybody when everybody is covered.

never forget: those people sitting in that town hall are already a filtered group. They are not all voters. Society may or may not still agree with that Mike Flood.

A filtered group that is selected to be favorable toward the representative, not hostile to him.
If they can't even get their filtered group to overwhelmingly support their positions, it seems unlikely that a general sampling of the population would.

https://youtu.be/je2zPr4VGME

i would work more if i found meaningful jobs. it feels like every job i could apply to is eventually just another gear in the machine that makes the wealthy wealthier and the people even more a fool of themselves. why do we give our workforce to people who are a cancer on society? the most ethical thing to do nowadays is to not participate on the labor market. we need community-run companies, then that's something i'd be willing to contribute to.

Like a co-op? Michigan Sugar is like that. It's owned by 865 sugar beet farmers. I interned there in college. It was such a friendly environment. The plant I was at was over 100 years old, it was really cool.

Here's the thing about being unemployed and receiving unemployment benefits.

It doesn't support you. It isn't enough.

It's a supplement that you use as you also drain your actual savings so that you drain them slower. That's it. And while you're on it you can't do fucking anything. You can't go out. You can't do anything. You buy the cheapest food. You sit at home. You cut out all but your most basic bills. You aren't partying. And they eventually cut you off. The only way you're really gonna coast off social services long term is if you're disabled. And that's probably not a whole lot of fun either.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is this chode is trying to imply someone is going to just refuse to work forever and get free healthcare forever. But that's not realistic. They're going to run out of funds to exist. To eat. To have shelter. So do we cut people off healthcare when they're between jobs so they die and can never work again?

So it just makes sense to keep taking care of someone while they're unemployed because, in almost all instances, they're going to be employed again.

I'm trying to look at this without bringing morals into the equation because a significant portion of this country has no morals and doesn't care what happens to others. Clearly there's a moral obligation to help the weaker among us with social services we all chip into. It's what separates us from the animals. Hell, even a lot of animal species take care of their disadvantaged.

I'd go so much further than free healthcare.
Every person deserves a place to live, if they want one.
Every person deserves food, whether they can afford it or not.
Whether they work or not.

His last name is flood? Like the bad thing that happened in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina? What kind of idiot would vote for that?

lets not vote by last names of people.
i was thinking alien speces, like the dr who one or halo? the ones bent on conquering.