Most of those are not even that conservative as pundits tho, and have been caught by hot mics or admitted they're mostly in it for the money. Which is, arguably, worse.
I would have maybe the littlest bit of respect if they had convictions for what they claimed to be arguing for but people like PJW and Milo are genuinely just money-driven ghouls.
American conservatives have been frighteningly effective at pushing this narrative that they are the outsiders, that they're fighting against the status quo, so it doesn't surprise me that they would steal punk.
They consider it a radical act to be straight, white, and Christian, when in fact that always has been, and still is the majority, as well as those who hold the money and the power.
From my perspective, this has been one of their most successful moves and it's been brewing for decades - look at the tea party. There has never been a leftist or even liberal machine to rage against, but pretending that there is gets all the normies to feel special and oppressed at the same time, culminating in this fucking shitshow you have over there.
Republicans have the Presidency, the House, the Senate, a majority on the Supreme Court, a majority of state and local legislatures, and a cabinet full of rich billionaires.
Trey Parker makes one comment about saying you like George Bush is punk rock in L.A. and conservstives have been slowmotion orgasming over it for twenty years.
Yeah, conservatives remind me of all those times I hung out in punk houses watching people eating dumpster dived food and stitch up deep lacerations with fishing line because they couldn't afford food or medical insurance.
They keep saying that and yet they refuse to build systems of gutter trash mutual aid, which any punk knows is the foundation of every punk scene. It's a bunch of 20 something alcoholics crashing on each other's couches, running books to prisoners programs, and taking on so much antifascist labor they crack under the pressure.
Follow me here. Society has become very accepting, and progressives have been very successful in the long run (as is the norm). That makes being a conservative "counter-culture."
not all counter culture is punk tho. Granola hippies are not punk by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is anyone who has ever stepped foot in a Brooks Brothers store.
I wrote my own comment before seeing yours. I see what you are getting at, but this is all theatre. Straight white Christians still hold the power and the wealth, it just suits the oligarchy to pretend they don't.
But even if they don't, the counterculture was a push for freedom and the left may sometimes be incendiary and contains its issues with how we interact with hisrorically prioritized groups, ultimately we're not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to be straight or white or Christian. What we're saying is that straightness, whiteness, and Christianity shouldn't be prioritized over others. Christians are the harder group to reconcile with as many see the right to oppress as fundamental to their religion, but outside of that nobody minds that Joe believes in Jesus if he's not making it our problem
Anyone here remember Negative XP? Yeah like, we had this discussion 6 years ago or smt. Although I would never agree with this fascist piece of shit, what I take of this thumbnail is indicative of a very real phenomenon. Western countries becoming more progressive and integrating values of former counter-cultures over the last decades actually is doing new-right/alt-right movements a favor – at the moment, at least. If we're lucky it will backfire in a few years.