He'll Be Fine

Crazy how the choice is between "everything the same with mild change (maybe)" and "everything horrible with the world".

The choice is between having an opportunity to make a difference and being actively prevented from doing so.
- The latter is already the case, though?
- Elaborate
At least with everything the same we maintain the chance to turn it into "make everything better", as easy as it is to get disillusioned with the system at present, nobody can deny that it's a lot easier to achieve anything within than a defacto fascist autocracy
The amount of change we’ll see will be directly related to congressional control. SCOTUS Justices aren’t going to impeach themselves. AOC can write anything she wants, but it won’t pass a vote with congressional minority.

It's the middle class who won't be.
It's the working poor who won't be.

Why'd she say "working class" twice?

Because they didn't want to say lower class, so they say working poor. The middle class has been gutted and demolished
- The idea I was alluding to is that the distinction between "lower class" and "middle class" has always been fictional. It exists only to drive a wedge between working-class folks, for the benefit of the owner class.
- Middle class then: Wealthy people who didn't hold noble titles
  Middle class now: I'm embarrassed to call myself working class

This is what I think every time I see someone on here haughtily saying that the Democrats need to EARN their vote. The Democrat politicians are wealthy and will be just fine if they're voted out of office - it's you and everyone else who isn't wealthy that will be fucked over.

In other words, protest votes are an expression of privilege.
- Absolutely.
I’m largely convinced most “dems” threatening to withhold their vote are bots and trolls.
This election is between two well known candidates with presidential records. There’s no earning. You’re either one side or the other.
- They're usually not self-declared Democrats. Some may be trolling, but there are plenty of people who don't seem to understand how FTPT voting works, since they're always incensed when it's said that if they don't vote for Biden, they're helping Trump (with the assumption that Biden is less bad to them than Trump). That, or they just value feeling like they were morally correct more than real-world consequences.
- Then that means that the vast majority of the Lemmy userbase, including the mods and admins, are bots and trolls.
  Not disagreeing with you, just lamenting the absolute shitpile that the threaded Fediverse seems to be. I just wanted decentralized social media.

She forgot pre-existing conditions. Remember, ACA is the only thing that keeps those covered. Diabetes diagnosed now? Your cancer comes back? You have an auto immune disorder like MS?

She forgot social security. Even without Project 2025 Trump had repeatedly said he wants it gone. All that FICA tax paid never to be seen again. Also, can your parents live without it? Or will they have to move in with you now? Or are you still living with them and you both lose your roof?

bigger thing is no surprise billing came directly out of bidens administration. that and the non compete thing are big for me.
- Biden earned my vote with those reforms and by capping the price on insulin. People don't realize how many millions of diabetics who are working poor and massively fucked by the manufacturers - they can literally set whatever price they want, because it's peoples fucking lives otherwise.
  mind boggling. and these whiny so-called progressives that are going to put trump back in power? guh
She doesn’t know about those things because she’s a Canadian.
Also forgot defense for Ukrakne

I’m going to vote but damn can we at least acknowledge how depressing it is to be stuck in this position to begin with? If 2016 wasn’t a wake up call I really don’t know how we can snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity.

We literally cannot. We need a new party and we need to start making a lot of noise about that.
When Trump wins we need to kill the Democratic party entirely and start something new, but I have no idea how to get the money for that... The ultra wealthy that support Democrats aren't going to help, they know the Democrats protect them...
All I know is there is no future for the Democratic party, or at least there really shouldn't be...
- We need a new party and we need to start making a lot of noise about that.
  I'm still just thrown back to the 1968 convention, also in Chicago, when Dem voters made a bunch of noise and the Dem establishment dropped a giant police hammer on their heads.
  This seems to be the political response to every outcry among Dem base voters. The conservative leaders are more gleeful when they unleash armies of police on your Gold Star Moms or your Palestinian protesters. But the liberal leaders are just as quick to put tanks in the streets and send SWAT in to start clubbing heads and filling prisons whenever your OWS types start getting out of line.
- Or, how about push for Ranked Choice Voting and reform/remove the Electoral College. Let's make voting actually count and let people vote for who they actually want, not a lesser of two evils.
  Then and ONLY then can we get some other parties in the mix with a shot. Otherwise it's going to be the same it's always been, 3rd party loses under the flood of people voting for 1 of 2.
  Those 2 goals are achievable, some states already have RCV. Let's get it on the ballot everywhere and make it happen.
how we can snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity.
You can't "snap the Democratic Party out of this corporate controlled mediocrity" because "corporate controlled mediocrity" is the point.
What? You actually thought they "represented" you?
- This. This election is Fascist Capitalism versus Fascist-Lite Capitalism, and any attempt to point to some minimal gains made via executive action (when the SC just killed Chevron Deference) since we can't get actual change through Congress is whitewashing.
Wake up call for what? They won last election with a corporate candidate and have a decent chance of doing it this time too. Like the post says, they don’t care that much about losing, their life isn’t threatened by it.
The only thing that can be done is to keep on voting for the non-fascist candidate hoping that one day both of the main parties will present one that fits the category.

you should vote for Biden if you hate him, that way he dies while still working instead of enjoying his last years golfing and sun bathing under secret service protection

So your plan is to attack them with weapons. I mean, it might work I guess. Be careful.
Otherwise you have no plan. You do understand anyone can participate in the Democratic party and third-parties are guaranteed failure, right? What’s the genius solution then?
- Otherwise you have no plan.
  In other words... just like you. The person you are responding to is just not being dishonest about it.
- Voting for Biden/Dems isn't much of a plan either, it's just stalling. But you need to stall for something, you need something that you are buying time for.
  In regard to third parties, my country has a different system, a parliamentary one (technically semi-presidential, but for the purposes of the topic, it's parliamentary), but nevertheless, up until recently we had 2 major parties, and so far only one of the 2 ever won an election, and all my life I've often heard the argument of "useful vote" ("voting for someone else is a waste of your vote") as a justification to vote for one of them, even from journalists and pundits. But the far right, for one reason or another, simply didn't care about a "useful vote", and just voted for who they wanted; that is why in our last elections, and for the first time since we've had elections, everyone was now talking about 3 choices for a useful vote.
  I know it's a different system, but the point of the story is that you are engaging in a self-fulfilling prophecy. Neither democrats nor republicans will ever want to change the system because it will hurt them. Voting blue instead of red is a stalling tactic to stop/delay the fascists, but it doesn't actually solve anything.
- I don't have some magical solution to the flaws of democracy, but any good solution needs to begin with ensuring that the population is politically educated

This election is a choice between boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Between someone who is indifferent and someone who has literally promised to make your lives SO MUCH worse in every possible way.

You had your adorable little protest non-vote in 2016, with your "Hillary Clinton just doesn't 'do it' for me" and the result was Donald farking Trump. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

You had your adorable little protest non-vote in 2016, with your “Hillary Clinton just doesn’t ‘do it’ for me” and the result was Donald farking Trump.
Here is my problem with this mindset. I didn't have "my adorable little protest non-vote". I was energized and hopeful for Bernie's campaign, but the Dem's and their moderate voter base had their adorable little "Bernie couldn't possibly win enough votes because Socialism, so you have to vote for our candidate that no one is excited about" push, so I sucked it up and voted for Hillary. And the result was Donald farking Trump. Because moderate Dem's would rather have Trump than meet Progressives even half way in the middle.
And now here we are, with another run of a candidate that fails to inspire passion amongst his voter base, going against Donald Farking Trump. And once again, I'm being told that I need to vote for the Dem candidate that I mostly just disagree with less than Donald Farking Trump.
So when does it stop being the fault of progressives who get disillusioned with the status quo? When does the fault start to lay with the Dem's and the moderate voters for preferring a Trump presidency over trying to meet the Progressive voting bloc halfway?
I'll vote for Biden (again), and I absolutely recommend that everyone do so just to do damage mitigation, but I'm getting so tired of the blame game moderates try and run just to deflect legitimate criticisms of their lackluster candidates.
Edit: To any on the left that are feeling really jilted by comment's like NutWrench's, please try and ignore the bullshit blame Dem's try to fling our way and remember that the key to long term success is solidarity, including with those who would blame and ridicule us. We need to play the hands we are dealt the best we can, and Biden is currently our "strongest" hand.
boring corporatists
Nothing boring about a 110 heat index or a river so slick with filth that the smell alone is hazardous to your health. Nevermind the sky-high electricity bills created by our energy-hungry AI industry or the enormous landfills choked with plastic waste or the privatized schools that serve up a McEducation for an exorbitant price.
There's this baseline claim that Biden will keep the state of the country the same. But we're not a fly trapped in amber, here. We've got infrastructure that's still deteriorating despite the promise of Infrastructure Reinvestment. We've got grocery bills that are still rising despite the Inflation Reduction Act. We've got real estate consolidation in the residential and agricultural sectors that are steadily raising rents. We've got a finance industry that is dead set on forcing everyone onto a highly speculative cryptocurrency system. We've got war profiteers racking it in overseas while defense contractors at home sink billions into a militarized southern border.
This is under Biden. Yeah, sure, blah blah Trump worse. But our best case scenario still looking incredibly bleak.
- We’ve got real estate consolidation in the residential and agricultural sectors that are steadily raising rents.
  I'm so mad that buying land way out in the boonies and a pre built home depot ~~shed~~ house to plop on it is literally the only way I see myself owning any shelter...
The problem is that Biden isn't projecting "good".
The result wasn't just Trump, it cost Roe V. Wade and the Supreme Court
- And environmental regulation.

Except all those people will also be fine if Kamala Harris wins the presidency. And they won't be if Biden loses it.

yes, but everyone is worried too many idiots won't vote for her. it's risky. those idiots have stupid reasons like "because she's a woman" and they suck, but you can't ignore them this time.
- I think the best thing they can do is commit to one candidate. Doesn't matter who. It could be a pig wearing lipstick. But they gotta commit. No changing their minds at the last minute. Sanders endorsed Biden. AOC endorsed Biden. They should run Biden.
- Well no doubt that will be key. But I think that'll actually work against Republicans. They think they're being clever by dogwhistling racism and sexism, but people see through it and don't want to be associated with it. Besides, it's near-certain loss with Biden vs risky bet on Kamala.

Biden already said He's fine with losing as long as he tried his hardest

Which is the dumbest statement I’ve heard this year.
It’s up to us. It’s a shit situation. But it’s up to us.
- We have to demand Biden be replaced with someone who can make people enthusiastic about voting.

Then how about he just fucking retires instead of virtually guaranteeing a Trump win. We had this same shit in 2016 because "it's her turn" and the polls during the primary said she wasn't going to win against Trump, too.

God save us from politician's egos.

If that’s your argument, you have to address the many, many polls which showed her defeating trump unquestionably. 97% favored her over trump, etc etc etc.
But yeah, whoever is running against trump for the Democrats will get my vote.
- many polls which showed her defeating trump unquestionably.
  And if we were counting actual votes, not the imaginary value of areas of abstract landmass, then it would have been accurate and we would have had a competent person with political experience in office for four years during a pandemic.
  Who knows how that alternative history would have gone down. I can only assume that it would have been far better for our nation's feelings and attitude, which is arguably far more important than even policy. A strong, morally solid population votes in everyone's best interest, a scared and isolated population votes for whatever seems to give them comfort.
- That was the story for a while. But in October there was a massive surge back for Trump.
  Gee i wonder what happened in October 2016?

Republicans and interests in minors (pelling mistakes)
- pelung mistak
That's a typo, not a spelling mistake.

Vote for Biden, he is not Trump.

Tell me how America is the greatest country in the world.

Edit: I get the message, will tone down the snarkiness.

I think the sentiment I should convey, is that democrats need to cut back the arrogance. The main reason they won the last election was that it was a vote against Trump.

You remind me of that rich kid who threw a temper tantrum and trashed the Mustang his parents got him because it wasn't a Lambo.
- Heard a kid yesterday yelling that he didn’t want vanilla!!
  Kid got nothing. Somehow that was also unacceptable to him, and yet, it was all over.
- If the DNC wants to win, they wouldn't be going out of their way to force the nomination of a candidate that is expected to lose.
America isn't the greatest country in the world. It's an oligarchy, not a democracy. We have literally the worst inequality of any society in human history. Racism is built into every major institution.
And yet I would still rather it get inches better than miles worse. It's my home.
- Worst inequality in human history?
  Russia when Stalin took power.
  North korea
  China
  Racism is worse in almost every country other than the U.S. it's just that they are not forced to deal with multiple races.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
- Very true. But work your butt off to make sure you have better options next time. Us in the rest of the world can only look in from outside and try to avoid the damage.
It's not the greatest country. But it also isn't the worst. I think it's in the top ~20.
Ok. You see, it's...... Nevermind
Not sure you'd find many who say that

I don't advocate for not voting, but I sure would aooreciate it if Joe would do the one fucking job he is sworn to do and defend the country from a fascist takeover. Instead the fucking idiot still thinks they're his godsdamn friends.

Why can't America just have the average 40 year old for president

I disagree. Find me a president that was under 50 that accomplished more than Biden. It's not the age, but what they did for the American population.
- Fuck that, let's reelect Jimmy Carter, he only served one term!
- JFK, Theodore Roosevelt
Obama and gw were both in their early to mid 40s. Gw came from a political family but Obama was pretty average.

Interesting that all these policy positions are exclusive to Joe Biden... Oh wait.

What

Don't be so sure he'll be fine. If he looses, he risks being official acted.

If Biden loses he'll be more of a threat dead than alive.

Shout it out louder for those in the back.

Why does it look like Twitter OP is saying we need a better candidate, then someone added text to the bottom to make it seem like it means we should vote for Biden?

How does it imply that we need a better candidate? I don't get it.
- Because Biden has said he's ok with losing...
  And the OP is saying the election isn't about Biden.
  Logically anyone from one of those groups (or with basic human empathy to care about them) would care about beating trump and would try as hard as possible.
  But after Google her, she might just be a dumbass and I'm giving her too much credit.
  https://www.threads.net/@beverleykendallauthor/post/C87DND4u9WE
  If those were the only two time politics made her cry, shes completely ignorant of modern politics. I gave her too much credit without looking into her. Not much she says seems to follow logic.

Ye gods! The transposition!!? NNNNOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
galaxy explodes

She forgot to add Palestinians to that list of oppressed minorities oh wait she didn't because the "moderate" Biden is already making sure they're being Genocided.