Vaccines don’t cause autism, but the lie won’t die. In fact, it’s getting worse.
Vaccines don’t cause autism, but the lie won’t die. In fact, it’s getting worse.
Lol jokes on you. I already have autism. So, vaccines just make me stronger.
I'm getting tested for autism as an adult next week. If it turns out I am, who do I contact from the Autistic community? Or does a representative contact me? I don't want to mess this up and I have a costume ready and everything.
I tried to think of a witty response to your funny joke but I'm apparently too tired for that, so instead, I'll wish you good luck for next week, and the weeks that follow it; getting a diagnosis as an adult is often cathartic in the short term, liberatory in the long term, and in between those points is a long period of introspective untangling a web of messy feelings and possibly internalised ableism. I wish you the strength to endure and to emerge with a better understanding of who you are, regardless of the outcome of the assessment.
Can you tell me your secret? I've been waiting 8 years for an adult diagnosis. It doesn't really matter in the sense that I know I'm some flavour of ND, though. And I work in education, and people around me have been pretty accepting.
The fact that you have a shred of humor in your system means you aren't autistic.
Anthony Hopkins will get in touch with you about filing all the paperwork.
did the vaccines update the autism hud?
Yeah. After I got the covid shot it added a steps counter.
Man, your autism makes the vaccines stronger.
The circle is complete
I make this joke every time I get a vaccine. I ask them if it'll make me extra autistic and for how long. I've never gotten a laugh.
I would have laughed (except I don't administer vaccines).
There’s a correlation between wearing socks and athlete’s foot. Socks cause athletes foot, clearly, and so we shouldn’t wear socks when wearing shoes.
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It's because there is no punishment for spreading false information. These cunt celebrities and politicians spread their fucking lies and if they are found out, they make an empty apology that reaches 1% of the people that they lied to, and it's all forgive and forget. Fuck all of that. Every anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-education cunt out there needs to be strung up from the societal rafters. They have to be made an example of. At the bare minimum they should be doing tours helping to correct the lies they have spread, spending time on social media and running commercials like fucking community service hours. There has to be a punishment for this shit.
I’m curious as to how that law would be written and what it would look like in practice.
Ideally, you wouldn't have to write a law for it, and the people would be held accountable by others. That's a BIG wish, though, and I'm a realist--it'll never happen. Instead, if it were written into law, it would have to be done the same ways that libel and slander laws are written, and there would have to be a criminal trial for it. I understand that up front that seems like a lot of extra work for the courts, but if the punishments were severe enough, then hopefully we would see an outright reduction on it.
Some precedent for it would be libel laws as previously stated, false advertising laws, and public health laws like what Germany has instituted (NetzDG) that required social media to remove false health information within 24 hours.
And just to make it clear, I don't want to infringe on anyone's right to free speech, but just like libel and slander laws, when that free speech damages others, then it has to be curbed. The scientific evidence is there for things like the mask mandate and the efficacy of vaccines, we just have to prove it in court and punish those who are guilty of spreading that false information.
I'm collecting vaccines like infinity stones. I'm going to unlock complete autism.
Oh, you're autistic? Name every time someone said you don't look autistic and that everyone is a little bit autistic
And you know what happens when you unlock complete autism? That's right: you gain the power to create your own vaccines, making you capable of reaching even new heights.
Is that what the anti-vaxxers refer to as shedding? They're shedding vaccine particles everywhere as a community service?
I'm already autistic, what's it gonna do, give me a software update?
i already have
hbomberguy did a fantastic video debunking these claims. Now if only the antivaxxers would actually watch it instead of staying in their own bubbles.
oh they loooove YouTube videos, trust me. Just not THOSE videos
I just wish it had less zany YouTube BS. I'd like to send it to my mother, but there's zero chance she would take it seriously.
Bold of you to presume they ever cared if they were wrong.
Obviously, hbomberguy is just in league with the vaccine cartels.
And don't forget his allegiance to Sobek.
Penn and Teller did a fantastic demonstration on Bullsh!t (I wanna say 15 years ago?). The only real flaw in the demo was when Penn pulled the "autistic" pin out at the start, because that child would still be vaccinated and thus safer than the unvaxxed group.
Link to the video, since no one has done so yet. Warning: this video is 1 hour and 44 minutes long, and if you're anything like me you will want to watch hbomberguy's entire catalogue afterwards.
I'd say it is ,at least partly, an education problem.
Sure, education is less likely to correct a deeply engraned false belief, but education is one of the most effective tools to prevent the lies, misinformation, and manipulation from taking hold in the first place.
However, like most preventative measures, it will take a long time to see results.
Can we convince people that Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy and RFK, Jr. cause autism?
(I don't believe there's anything actually wrong with being autistic, I have multiple autistic people in my family. I just think that would be amusing.)
Being a Kennedy is more likely to cause lobotomies.
If the quacks don’t do it the worms will
Can we convince people that Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy and RFK, Jr. cause autism?
Not autism. They cause death.
(I don’t believe there’s anything actually wrong with being autistic, I have multiple autistic people in my family. I just think that would be amusing.)
there's probably a less tenuous correlation there, though. just saying. Granted, correlation is not causation, but, eh... yeah.
I know, but imagine all of these people in this ludicrous panic suddenly thinking Wakefield is the culprit for autism...
I don't care if these anti vax idiots kill themselves, I care that they are killing people with weakened immune systems or children that are either too young to get them or they didn't vaccinate them. This is all 100% the fault tRump and Russian propaganda, it's sad soo many fall for it.
survival of the fittest is doing its thing, even if innocent people go down as victims of stupid people, such is life and death.
That is a complete misunderstanding of how evolution works. This does not weed out the people who are not genetically immune from a disease. If civilization died and measles came back in force in two generations, it would be just as deadly as it was before vaccines were developed. Because this does nothing to genetically change humanity's ability to fit into an ecological niche.
I'm ok with them harming some innocent people in the process of killing themselves. Greater good.
Can I have the smart autism please
Only if you're smart anyway since autistic people have the whole distribution of capability represented. Then being smart isn't enough. You also have to be resilient, lucky, and privileged (not enough systemic factors outside of systemic ableism to wash you out in a psychological and logistical pincer attack), and also lucky again to get past the many societal filters that block most autistic success and create the illusion of some unicorn like uniqueness in all visible versions of autistic success.
Sure, make sure to go back in time so that you aren't overestimulated in your environment, don't get bullied until you suffer an anxiety disorder, and have someone inspire interest in you for something capitalist society pays well for.
yes come to my house
Aspergers is still a stony route.
All the information available to us now and yet all people care about is if someone the Internet likes them.
While I hate what the internet is becoming because of AI, and I dread what's going to come from the better systems down the road, and all the people who will be utterly lost as they fall in love with their phones, I am wondering if just maaaybe these LLM's will be able to satisfy some people's desperate craving for attention and acceptance with simulated social circles and virtual supportive communities and give people at least some kind of outlet or if nothing else keep them out of the way while the rest of us make progress.
And the tech school I got a degree from now hosts courses on "Reiki healing" and "Crystal healing". America is fucking doomed.
I met a nice lady at the dog park, we vibed, she was into reiki and tarot, I dipped.
... but you know what will eventually die? People who do not believe in vaccines
Too bad they will take many with them because of their wilful ignorance... but eventually the problem will correct itself
Someday I hope to live in a society where confidently saying something idiotic is shameful as crapping your pants in public or realizing you have a bugger hanging off your nostril
It'll take a really deadly disease for that to happen. Smallpox and the plague could kill over 50% of the population in an area they hit. No one had vaccines (though some portion would have had incidental previous exposure to cow pox, which became the first vaccine, but I wouldn't guess that all survivors had been previously exposed to cow pox). Note that that's 50% of the total population, it's not just looking at those who were confirmed to be infected. Nothing that currently exists (considering treatment options, since the plague does still exist) comes even close to that, so don't hold your breath that they'll go extinct from catching easily preventable diseases that they chose not to prevent.
And personally, I think shame isn't a great teaching tool and is a mechanism that leads to people doubling down on incorrect beliefs rather than correcting them as well as attacking new ideas that conflict with currently accepted ideas. I'd like to see a society where being willing to admit you were wrong is respected and where everyone can appreciate that whatever they currently believe, reality is likely more nuanced and complex than their model of it suggests, if it's even on the right track at all.
And personally, I think shame isn’t a great teaching tool and is a mechanism that leads to people doubling down on incorrect beliefs rather than correcting them as well as attacking new ideas that conflict with currently accepted ideas.
I don't really get this about people. Someone told me I should eat less meat and I went, "Yeah, you're right" instead of doubling down into shame insanity.
I probably do it sometimes without realizing it.
Having a bugger hanging off your nostril isn't shameful, it's weirdly impressive
One of my high school acquaintances posted on Facebook that Peppa the Pig causes autism.
I like that conspiracy theory much better, despite how illogical it is that watching a cartoon pig can cause a neurological disorder.
That is hilarious. I wonder what caused autism before 2004?
Silly, autism didn't exist before 2004. It's just like the dinosaur bones, Satan put that evidence there to confuse us.
Just give the option to be injected with a vaccine or with chlorine. Watch the numbers drop spectacularly.
I would choose the vaccine.
Something of a selection bias on this experiment, as you're not going to make the wrong choice twice.
Nah, the "chlorine" is actually a microdose of ecstacy.
The autism fear stems from the historical use of Thiomersal as a preservative.
the autism fear stems from one quack asshole intentionally skewing data for profit, then granola hippy moms holding him up as some bastion of truth, Which then evolved into right wing idiocy of medicine bad (until they are sick and think it could help them (which by then its probably too late) )
And yet he tried really hard to make people believe it was just the one vaccine causing autism, so he could sell his other, worse, replacement vaccine.
Hey hey hey!
Don't be dragging granola into this fuckwit-ocracy. It's a perfectly reasonable low effort breakfast for those of us that are unable to cook for ourselves because we can't find our arses with both hands for the first hour of semi-consciousness in the morning.
While I agree in general with your post, there must be a valid reason why thiomersal is no longer allowed in vaccines inside North America and Europe. It's not only because of a quack doctor.
The autism fear stems from a grifter doctor.
That was one of the original proposed mechanisms to explain how the (obviously false) autism was caused.
But since then, since thiomersal was removed, other 'causes' and moral issues have been invented, including cells from abortions.
The one that makes me laugh the most is that it's terrible that the poor poor baby is exposed to so many illnesses (measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, notovirus, rotovirus and more) in such a short space of time, it's no wonder the poor dear's immune system is compromised. And then the same mother drops the kid off at daycare and exposes the poor dear to all those viruses and more - and live viruses at that.
There is no bleeding logic, just feels. And they get so angry at the fake harm that medicine is causing, and simultaneously actually causing real harms to real people.
The fact they think they can definitively state this just proves they don't actually care about science.
What do you mean?
You can't have a blanket statement where you declare vaccines do not cause autism. You could say X vaccine and Y vaccine do not cause autism as evidenced by these clinical trails and 20 years of research data that is public here have a look. Still doesn't address Z vaccine though which was made by BLAH Company and they are a bunch of douche bags and used shady clinical trial practices that should be investigated by the Federal government, but oh wait the politicians paid off the government so that investigation won't take place.
Also measles cases are soaring because our current administration has literally let in some where between 10 million and 20 million illegal aliens into the country.
I sure hope I can get some autism for the bird flu.
The new vaccines generate lots of profits for the pharma. Therefore, what incentives will ALWAYS there be for the owners and creators of the vaccines? Not vacciness in general, but SOME vacciness, against SOME diseases-19.
Would or could they, the pharma, ever reveal that some vaccines, especially their own, especially the newest ones, may be harmful to people in any way? That they could cause delayed negatives consequences and side-effects?
Therefore, who, or ironically WHO, has all the incesitves to always try to prove that all the negative data about the newest vaccines is a lie? And "in fact, it's getting worse". Yeah, worse for the those manufacture the vacciness and try to jab people like pigs :)
This may not prove that they, the vaccines, are or may be indeed harmful. Or not that all of them, for all people, not against all the viruses. Nonetheless, the incentive of hidding the truth about this exists and for one side only.
I think you should watch this video. The orgional paper linking vaccines to autism was specifically made to further the authors ambition. He lied and withheld or manipulated data in order to support his work.
Drug companies go through extensive trials before bringing vaccines to the market. So who do you believe? Extensive peer reviewed studies or one guy clearly furthering his own agenda?
It's been 4 hours... Do you think he watched it?
The new vaccines
Retvrn To Tradition! Only get the flu shot from 10 years ago. Don't get the one that's been selected against the current flu strain.
Therefore, who, or ironically WHO, has all the incesitves to always try to prove that all the negative data about the newest vaccines is a lie?
Or maybe they have an incentive to use proven health care technologies that deliver effective treatment, because epidemics are bad for everyone?
I admire your brave attempt at writing in a second language.
Specifically, the survey asked them to assess the accuracy of the statement that the CDC has said there is no evidence linking vaccines to autism.
That is an such a poorly conceived question for a researcher to pose. I don't even know what else to say tbh.
I shake my head.
Im almost positive that Andrew Wakefield has caused more harm to modern medicine than any other person in the last 200 years.
His human megaphone, Jenny McCarthy, isn’t much better. No one heard of him before she advocated for his findings to be mainstream.
Don't forget Oprah who amplified the idea more than they ever could have done on their own