But but... If gun owners are tracked, we can be targeted! 😭😭😭

Why the fuck would you need to track pregnant people? Only to find and punish them when they go through an abortion huh?

now now, let's be fair
it's also so that evangelicals can ban recreational sex
- ...While masturbating furiously to incest porn on the internet.
- They're just trying super hard to make America a worse place to live for some reason.
Precisely. They aren't even trying to hide it. The writing is on the tin.
- And considering abortion isn't illegal in every state, this is even more of an overreach than if it were.
Or a misscarriage.
I thought voting Dem in state/federal and voting with the heart for local was supposed to fix everything though.
Can someone who is good with politics explain to me why Dems are not fighting back against the slide into fascism?
Why are these states still receiving federal funding and welfare subsidies?
Why is the compromised and illegitimate Supreme Court still in power?
Why are blue states not sanctioning fascist states? (Yes I know feds prohibit commerce tariffs. Why are blue states just giving up instead of getting creative? Isn’t legislation their job?)
- They might fight harder if excuse spamming leftwashed centrists like you didn't practice the "vote once ever then hibernate as if everything should be fixed" activism you accuse liberals of doing
- Can someone who is good with politics explain to me why Dems are not fighting back against the slide into fascism?
  Because the neoliberals in charge of the party don't really mind fascism as long as they can make deals with the fascists to preserve their own power.
  Just like the Italian liberals sat out the battle between the original fascists, the also quite far right monarchists and the anarchists, socialists and other ridiculously outnumbered and outgunned left wing groups.
  Until it became clear who was going to win. Then they allied with the fascists.
  Today's neoliberals talk a big game about a women's right to bodily autonomy when there's donations and votes in it, but the ones in charge don't ACTUALLY care. At least not enough to actually DO something to codify Roe v Wade into law during the almost 30 years that it was being threatened.
  They DEFINITELY care a LOT more about "bipartisanship", which is de facto negotiating with fascists so that their owner donors won't be inconvenienced by what they pretend to be trying to do.
  I'd say it's all bread and circuses, but there's not even much bread left for regular people to survive on.
- The fuck? How do you form such "opinion"?

This is the cognitive dissonance politicians need to have in order to be a good tool as a techno fascist for the exploitation-class.

Cognitive dissonance
What is a techno-fascist? What did I mis?
- Fascists that enjoy techno music of course!
- The specific kind of American Libertarian pseudo-fascists who look to technology to save us from everything.
  Basically, the Managed Democracy of Super Earth from Helldivers. That sums it up pretty well. Fascism in its corporate-friendly, AI-run form where CEOs of tech-related companies have most of the real power outside the State.
- https://newrepublic.com/article/180487/balaji-srinivasan-network-state-plutocrat
  I think this is the same article I saw on Lemmy a few weeks ago, it very thoroughly explains the topic. In very simple words though, I have bad news about what all those tech billionaires in Silicon Valley are planning to do with their money.
- It's the collaboration of the state and private contractors in documenting everything to computers. The process started around the 1970s - mostly with police departments using crimes of the past to, er, "predict" where future crimes will happen (ie, they put the number of incidents in a calculator and did an extrapolation).
  Half a century latter, there's a lot of documentation. So much. In private databases, federal databases -- plus everything that's accessible online. It's impossible for a person to actually sort through, so we automate the sorting. It's like extrapolating from incidents, but also adding in keyword sorting and evolutionary trial-&-error algorithms.
While I am strongly against a database of pregnant women, especially in regards of the obvious purpose of it.
I am not sure if I would call it cognitive dissonance... Fascistic? Sure.
The idea behind the tracking of pregnancy is the protection of the individual "Child" and "future member of the society" against "overreaching authoritarian forces" which could lead to the death of said "member". And the threat to the "child" is not the government but rather the mother and the supporting force would be the government. So placing the information to control into the hands of the government is an obvious choice.
In the case of gun ownership, the government is the threat for which the guns exist. The government is the "overreaching authoritarian force" and the gun owner is the "member". The government isn't the ally and therefore can't be trusted with such a list.
Again I am not agreeing them these people. I just don't think that is cognitive dissonance. I think a better example would the desire for a small government and a database of pregnant women to spy on.
Again imo idiots but not hypocrites for that (specifically... Because they are, just not for that)
- The idea behind the tracking of pregnancy is the protection of the individual "Child" and "future member of the society" against "overreaching authoritarian forces" which could lead to the death of said "member". And the threat to the "child" is not the government but rather the mother and the supporting force would be the government. So placing the information to control into the hands of the government is an obvious choice.
  I,m not sure I follow here, but I don't think the government is trustworthy with holding this information, wether it was given by the mother "freely" or not. The government has proven over and over it is not to be trusted with such personal data. If a complication or a situation change arises and the mother has to end her pregnancy. It will be used for punishment.

Let's definitely not have either of those things.

Nah. I'm ok with the gun database. We have one for cars. Firearms should be there too.
What if we just had universal health care, rather than a massive suveillancr state
- No thanks. My state already has a list and I'm pretty sure the feds do too, but let's not make it any easier on them in the event that we find ourselves in the "armed resistance" phase of fascism.
- CA has one. And they've already leaked the data to hackers, I think twice now. So if some tech savvy thieves wanted to target specific houses, now they have a list.

Well, you see, the logic here is simple; gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right, and women don't have rights.

I hate that you are right. I wish that we could say that the existence of the 9th counts just as much for the right to bodily autonomy but that's not what these shit heads will agree to.
That's what you get when a bunch of white slave-owning men write the constitution

I worked for a gyne who did abortions and got the pathology reports. Every one said the same thing "the specimen contained spongy pieces of hemorrhagic tissue". It's so microscopic and it's absolutely not like what anti choice assholes claim it is. It is so insignificant.

Have the abortion. Don't hesitate. Get on with your life. It's what matters, not a piece of tissue. It's your choice and nobody else's. You deserve to be happy and safe and not forced to go through hell.

FWIW I'm Christian and still incredibly pro choice. Don't believe any of their propaganda. They lie.

An other Christian pro-choice here. God wants us free, Jesus came to stop people who used God's name to control peoples' lives.
My sister in law is an obgyn in Tennessee. She often remarks the socio-econokic conditions of her patients as the worst she has ever seen, and she spent years as an aid worker in Kabul.
- I've driven through Tennessee and seen billboards from CPS that say "Don't cook, you'll lose your kids" (by cook they mean meth). Like they have to come out and say it that plainly, it's such a problem.

Give the fetuses guns? With that work?

If it was possible Texas would have made it mandatory by now
BigPharma should get in on this. Every American made fetus gets a free Armalite rifle seed that grows with the fetus. Name it too! /s

The NSA already has the database and is tracking both of those anyway under secret FISA warrants.

The fact that you think they get warrants to collect data into that database is cute.
- They probably have like one warrant that's basically just a blank check to spy on anyone.
Better watch out for the IRS, SSA and not to mention all those state DMVs. They know what you make and what car you drive!!!!111oneone
I don't recall the "NSA plan to track women's periods" in the Snowden dump. And so many gun sales are cash-and-carry that it's not something they can manage easily.
For any given person, I'm sure the FBI could figure it out with time and effort. But there's no national tracking database for all guns and pregnancies
- It may be new. Snowden dump was what? More than 10 years ago?
...?
- Secret court. I case you thought we had a transparent justice system.

Why do they even need a database of pregnant women? I get that GOP is trying to take away a woman’s autonomy and all that, but what’s the official public reason they’re giving?

Prego but no live baby ? Jail!
Still birth? Jail!
Miscarriage? Jail!
Crossing state lines while prego? Jail! (You might be trying to get an abortion)
I also want to know their reasoning too, but what I REALLY want to know is if they are aware that pregnancy isn't permanent? The more I think about this the more questions I have.
Who is gonna update that database? How many tax dollars are they willing to spend paying people to deal with implementing this? I know the purpose is to convict women for abortions and miscarriages, which is fucking horrific...but then I think about how people keep cars for far longer than a person is pregnant and how the DMV is not the model for efficiency.
Holy shit this whole thing is equal parts horrifying and laughably stupid.
Sorry about my weird tangent... your question got my brain asking questions and I don't think the actual answers will be much help.
- "why has this woman been pregnant for 27 years? ... HOW has this woman been pregnant for 27 years?!"
- The problem is you thought about it. Republicans don't generally go that far with an idea.
- The dmv is pretty efficient, all things considered. 5 or 10 year tracking isn't that hard. 0 months to 10 months is way more difficult.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/16/tweets/would-sen-katie-britts-bill-create-a-national-regi/
Per this, she didn't attempt to create a database and it's a false statement going around.
- Thank you. I should’ve known better and looked it up. I appreciate you posting this for me and others.
- Thank you for posting this link. Good to know. The text includes this:
  The bill prohibits information from organizations, including any affiliates, subsidiaries, successors and clinics, that "perform, induce, refer for, or counsel in favor of abortions, or provide financial support to any other organization that conducts such activities."
  Q: Does the bill also prohibit organizations that are against abortions?

Well, every birth inevitably leads to a death, whilst guns might but they're not guaranteed to.

So obviously, you need to keep track of the most deadly kind of people, pregnant women, more so than a not quite as deadly kind like gun owners.

True, the case can be made than a single gun can result in multiple deaths whilst a birth will only ever result in a single death, but none the less the statistics don't lie and they show that a lot more deaths can be traced back to a birth than they can to gun ownership.

I once watched a woman walk into a supermarket just openly being pregnant. Fortunately she behaved, because some of the other folks were concealed pregnant.
Many people who are born go on to have children of their own. So a single pregnancy can lead to generations and generations of deaths!
- I read a study recently saying that 100% of murderers were born. So that's another vector for births leading to multiple deaths.

I'm not sure about that. In my experience, it's how they justify everything. The ones I've known personally seem to genuinely believe their god wants them to inflict pain on others as part of some sort of divine warfare. They also tend to prefer the old testament, unsurprisingly

Now the question remains.

Would they be in favour or against using guns to perform an abortion?

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- Кoптexт?
I think they’d want to arm the zygote
Wait yeah, if a doc is using guns to provide abortions do you take away his guns or let him keep giving abortions?
The abortions are in self defense of course.
- By their logic, abortion is murder, any doctor who performs an abortion is ineligible to own guns because they would be a violent felon. I just dont understand why these people gotta be so brain dead
The gun shoots a intense spray of abortion medication.
Checkmate!

A Database that stores a List of Armed and Dangerous Pregnant women. All Pregnant women are given high-power Full-Auto weapon-of-choice and a License to Stand-their-Ground. Also another Database of Not Pregnant persons and who are also Armed and Dangerous but they can go buy their own weapons.

That way it is fair and equal to everybody and no one has to feel left out :-D

I wonder what's next, conceal carry permits for pregnant women to go out in public?

Amazing how someone can utter a 100% fascist idea like this in public and not immediately get egged.

When gun owners are targeted, they can defend themselves

Yeah, that one time back in the 1940s when pretty much everyone involved was a trained veteran and the Federal government ended up stepping in.
The only time the police step away from armed citizens is if there's a powerful political reason.
Cliven Bundy had politicians on his side, the Black Panthers didn't.
..how?
Do you shoot people that aren't shooting at you and get life on prison/shot to death or get arrested and then they take your guns when they have you cuffed in the back seat. Neighbors don't come out and stop it. It just doesn't happen. Guns don't protect people, they mostly just endamger people (from someone who has owned guns since I turned 18)
Thats a weird way to say "threaten to murder people that disagree with them politically."