Skirts are breezy and comfortable. Fuck off.

"They are not women's clothing. I bought them. They are mine." Eddy Izzard

Ah, but now she's Suzy Izzard, this line has a whole new context in which to be explored
- I already know what you're getting at but arguments in favor of breaking gender stereotypes aren't made invalid if the person who originally made them ends up identifying as trans. I know that lots of people like to use situations like that as "evidence that people who break gender stereotypes are just trans-in-denial" and/or a justification for harassing GNC folks (r/egg_irl and r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns were especially awful about that back in their heyday) but it's very important to recognize that GNC people are valid in their own right, and trying to generalize them as transgender is hurtful and enforces the toxic gender stereotypes that hurt people.
  Oh and before someone tries to twist my words around. No a trans woman wearing a dress doesn't enforce gender stereotypes, what enforces gender stereotypes is to say a person (i.e. a femboy) is trans because they wear a dress without their input on the matter.

You just need to rebrand it. It's not a skirt. It's a kilt.

It's not a dress, it's a long tunic.

It's not jeggings, it's....uh....stretchy jeans.

They're not bras, they're apple bottom stabilizers that double as moob support apparatus.
- Boots with the fur!
Or a hakama, if you're more the samurai type.
jeggings
Tactical jeans.
Nah, you gotta own it. Capitulating to toxic masculinity and calling your dress a tunic to avoid ridicule is alpha cuck shit. "Please don't make fun of me, I'm not wearing a skirt, it's a kilt!" Nah, this is a skirt and it is so much more comfortable than your denim jeans. We're shopping at target, Braxton, not working on a farm. My outfit is the superior one for this activity
Bringe back þe tunic.
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- Middle age white chick here - might depend on the crowd you are around. I have a lot of friends who wear kilts (as in most of the men I consider friends, including the 6.5ft 400lb giant of a man. Just totally happens to be that way, they don’t know each other for the most part, and I find out years after becoming friends) and they don’t seem to have any trouble getting laid (not all of them are strictly into women, but they get teh secs so whatever floats their goats). But kilts aren’t the only counter-culture they actively and clearly participate in, both aesthetically and personally. That might make the difference; that’s just who they are and they are comfortable with themselves enough to do whatever.
  If I saw some dude in a kilt and leggings I’d be super amused and chat with them, but I’m asexual so I also wouldn’t be interested, but I’d be interested in you, the person. The same way I’d be interested to talk to a dude in a prom dress or whatever. If their spine is so shiny they can rock that shit in public, I probably want to know them.
While I admire your attitude, I don't think it's a great idea to try and get around gender stereotypes by rebranding. The best way in my opinion is just to own it and be confident. Going around them in a way enforces them, because you're changing the name to avoid the stigma that comes with breaking them as opposed to questioning and opposing it.
- I'm afraid not everyone is confident, I do however plan on getting myself a kilt one day as well as some programming/Unix socks to go with it.

None of those are women's clothes though, they're "women's" clothes, gendered only by companies trying to make more money.
- That's the point he's trying to make
- Not really. Good women’s clothing is cut differently then men’s clothing, so it fits our bodies better, mostly accomodating our narrower waists and wider hips. (And the zippers and buttons are on the opposite side too of course.)
Exactly! I'm like a 28 inch waist and it's nearly impossible to find men's jackets, T-shirts or hoodies that fit right.

I think it is changing. A few decades ago women wearing pants also weren't acceptable.

Though I think there is a loophole. If you would put on a Scottish Kilt you probably would be ok.

- I wore a Utilikilt for a while. They're surprisingly uncomfortable. Sitting in a kilt requires effort. The material is a heavy denim, which is hot and doesn't fall nicely. I expected the breeze to be enjoyable. It's not.
  The pockets are good.
- The women I’ve dated that are into men love guys in kilts, but I’m a woman so it may be that bi women are more likely to like it than straight women. That said I’ve heard complaints that some guys don’t bother with ensuring it’s a good kilt for them and picking a good outfit with it

I remember in JRPG The World Ends With You, each piece of clothing has a "Bravery" rating. Higher Bravery on the clothing meant the user needed to have a higher Bravery stat to wear it. Girls naturally had mugh higher bravery, and those outfits ranged from girly to risque, but there was no actual gender restriction.

Right on man
Oh, that's rad. I always wish I had played that game. A little too touch-centric for emulator, though, if I remember.
- There's multiple versions! The OG DS game was VERY touch heavy, but the mobile game remake made the controls much simpler. For me, no version is ever going to match the craziness of having to watch both screens at the same time, but the game is so damn good that if you haven't played it I'd recommend whatever version you can get your hands on.
Yeeees Joshua, eat 500 bowls of tonkotsu Ramen and then put on the black bakini!

For a long time, and still now, left is met with criticism. People just like to control other people's lives strangely

Yer be shillin me for wearin me kilt!? My father's father's fought the English of ye highlands with nothin but a kilt and his mighty long sword!

And then he found his sword and the English were really in trouble

I have my own pair of leggings because they're comfy AF and if anyone wants to talk shit about that, two things: A, my wife bought them for me and that makes them EXTRA special, and 2: fuck off randy, the only reason you're so butt hurt is because your massive insecurities prevent your ass from being caressed by a cloud.

Honestly for the longest time I didn't even know leggings were supposed to be "girls clothing" I always wore them as a child in winter under my jeans. Never knew they "weren't meant for me" . Honestly leggings are great
They are very comfy, I'm not sure why they're considered a girls only thing anyway. I'll still wear them regardless I don't really care.

The great thing about skirts is that they can be breezy even when they're long! So if you're not comfortable with everyone looking at your legs, or can't be bothered trying to sit without showing your crotch, get a nice sweepy skirt that comes to your ankles and Stride! Sprawl! Swagger and Swash! Shwing!

Yes! Floor length skirts are amazing!

In a warm climate I'd imagine the breeze is nice. Up here in Canada though you need a pair of egg warmers.

Depends on which part of Canada you're in but where I am? It's been above freezing for the past couple days and will likely stay that way. In Summer it'll get 33c or higher (91.4f for the Americans). Where I'm from originally it would work even better because the summers get that hot but also absurdly humid. Like 95% humidity.
- I'm in Mb which has been surprisingly nice lately. (Almost scary to be honest considering it's supposed to be between -10 to -20c this time of year.)
  Still though, freezing drizzle with a draft up the backside is less than comfortable in my opinion lol!
- I've never been bit by mosquitos in my dangly bits, and I don't think I want to be. Had a woodtick there once when I was 8, that was more than enough.
Canada has more than one season. It can get very warm in the summer
- Well yes, but I'm referring to present day with it being winter. In the summer it easily gets past +30c here. Last summer I would have gladly run around nekkid when it was +36c if I wouldn't get arrested.
you need a pair of egg warmers.
Here you go!

Man I wish people were that nice to me before I came out

fuck pants

Fuck pants have a fly or undoable back/crotch depending on whether they're for the fucker or the fuckee
- I... needed to read that a second time. Yes.

I dont know maybe you need to change where you live before saying "all of society" is like this.

They living on the internet and people on the internet do be like that.
- Or they live in places where "society" is so bothered by it, a handful of old white men are fighting tooth and nail to enact laws forcing it to be a problem in the name of god...

I have no conceptual problem as a cishet man with wearing skirts, but I've worn drag on stage in high school and it was sort of hard to stop flashing people my underwear at various points and that would be all I would think about if I wore a skirt now.

You could go with the athletic shorts under the skirt, still a lot of airflow but no risk of flashing.
Just wear a nice snug pencil skirt: no chance of flashing your knickers and it will look great with your heels.
- That doesn't sound breezy and comfortable.

Are JNCOs skirts?

A skirt for each leg. The truest equality.

He has an erection in both.

Sometimes the "offense" that guys feel over guys wearing skirts and stuff is definitely from closeted thoughts or outright self-hate, but that's not necessarily the case. The underlying issue is they view clothing as gendered in the first place.
Style shouldn't be associated with sexual attraction implicitly, but it does for stupid people, and many people are stupid. Especially horny guys thinking with the wrong head.
The mere presence of a particular article turns them on, and they project that to intent. It is entirely subjective if they get upset at popping a boner, or upset that a male would use clothing that traditionally makes a female sexy. It requires the dumb person to view another's clothing choice as a direct expression to them, but stupid people taking things personally that aren't personal should be preeeetty easy to understand!
It's a lesser mindset, male-focused version of, "what was she wearing?" after an SA event. Just because I'm trying to look pretty and you like some part of that, I am still most definitely not coming on to you by wearing it.
- I never really considered this perspective and really appreciate you sharing it, thank you!
- I think you hit the nail on the head. It is very interesting how different I (male-presenting) get treated when I wear a skirt vs trousers. The whole rest of my outfit and appearance is similar - I have the same haircut, glasses, coat, boots, backpack. But when I wear a skirt, I know that people notice me far more, and I also for some reason start getting compliments from women.
  So I dont think that's something which only happens with men noticing women, but that skirts (especially yhe ones which are shorter and more fitting) society at large seems to associate with sexual attraction. I will be honest, it is a bit of fun to know I have so much power over peoples attention - that I can control the amount of attention on me by wearing pants vs a skirt. But I also fully agree with what you're saying - people can wear skirts just because they like them, not because they want to be sexy to you (shocker moment).
  I know that we subconciously do it all the time, but: how do you deal with the fact that people treat you differently just based on what you're wearing?
- Oh definitely. While it's not a given that bigoted folks are closeted, it's worth noting that there's been some studies showing it's not just a joke: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/
  Your take on it seems likely in other cases, and/or some combo of both.
  That said, I would much rather a man with an erection look at me like on the right than like on the left, which was a bit more where my joke was coming from.

Duplicate comment, FYI

Those wide cut, high waist trousers look dope. Somehow you don't find theses cuts for men at all. I imagine those those comfy as fuck if you happen to have stronger thighs.

Well the thing is men have stuff that takes up a bit more room in the crotch area....

A skirt is the least restricting garment if you're worried about room in the crotch area.

Wear no pants 🫣, society

Everyone should try wearing tights. I'm not sure why they are seen as gendered garment. They feel amazing, especially if you are very mobile. And they feel good in both hot and cold weather.