'Surreal Moment for America': ICE Agents in Chicago Drag Children Out of Their Homes, Ransack Building
'Surreal Moment for America': ICE Agents in Chicago Drag Children Out of Their Homes, Ransack Building | Common Dreams
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So where are the bus loads of lawyers? Even with today’s authoritarian reality, that should be an open-shut case. Even if ICE claims they can write their own warrants, there’s no way they’re motivated enough to write one for every unit in a large building. Their laziness trumps their malice
Where are all those GUNS at America????
In the hands of the fascists, just as they've always been.
Anarchists and some varities of Communists/Socialists have guns but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by Liberals who embraced gun prohibition.
I hate the fact that the international community is just sitting by because it's an internal affair and only speaking up about trade issues, etc... That's what gave Nazi Germany carte blanche to do it's thing leading up to 39.
Every sane country on earth needs to be embargoing the fuck out of the U.S., not just for their own sake, but for the sake of forcing the American political establishment to deal with their own fascist problem or become a paraiah on the world stage.
1800 people have already been "lost track of" (read: murdered until proven otherwise) in the Everglades concentration camp.
Yeah but the problem is he didn't achieve power by some manipulation of the vote at least not primarily he achieved it by getting a bunch of Americans to vote for him. A bunch of stupid ignorant Americans wearing silly hats voted for him.
Shy of any evidence to say otherwise he is the democratically elected leader of the United States. All the countries can't be setting the precedent that if they don't like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Besides if Europe playes it's cards right it's about to become the economic superpower of the world. The current economic superpower appears to be continuously blowing their own feet off and giggling.
All the countries can't be setting the precedent that if they don't like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Yeah, only we can do that.
Yeah. That's very true. I hadn't thought about it that way. Thanks for giving me something to think about.
I would be mightily surprised if our european brown noser in charge have plans for overtaking the USA. Maybe France, but Germany and UK looks like we can't even resist Trump a bit or the leading parties even try to emulate him. Which will lead to the same problems here. And afterwards everybody was in the resistance. Again.
If only the days of invading a fully militarized country were still on the table. You can't look at this like it's 1939. With nukes now being a thing no one wants to get involved because it will end in total destruction. America is over, a failed experiment in self governance. In all honesty USA should be broken up into 50 SEPERATE countries. There needs to be a plan in place for this to come to fruition, or its over for you guys. All of you seem to actively hate everyone else in your country.
More like 7-10 countries based on a combination of bioregions, cultural zones, and remaining indigenous communities. Many (most?) US states aren't developed or densely populated enough to function as independent nations as they currently exist.
I'd start with: Cascadia, California-Nevada, the Southwest (UT/CO/AZ/NM), the Midwest, Texas-Oklahoma, the Confederate States (minus Texas), Yankee (NY, NJ, PA), and New England.
50 countries is wild lmao
on reddit post, i heard they were dragging out naked children.
How exactly do ICE punks get their authority?
They're not cops, so how can they detain people?
mostly from not being shot on sight
They arent cops but they do derive their authority the same way cops do: the govt imbues them with that authority.
From what I've read, they're federal agents and according to US law, local and state police and stuff cannot get in the way of federal or something.
They mounted a tripod gun on the roof of the broadview facility. I challenge anyone to think about "shithole" areas of the world and not envision unmarked paramilitary wearing masks, body armor, and carrying something like an ar15.
If someone entered the sanctity of my home without first presenting an Article III warrant, they'd get a bullet in their skull
Ice also has guns and they don’t roll in by themselves. They roll four or more deep most of the time on home raids. Even people with guns don’t want to get shot themselves. The way ICE rolls in without warning, most people aren’t locked and loaded in mass sitting in their homes. I’m sure the people there weren’t expecting that excessive action. Most Americans don’t wanna die in a government fire fight if they can help it. You have to be alive to claim self defense, and our government’s so corrupt it’s not a guarantee you’ll win. As deep as ice rolls into these type of situations, it’s not like they won’t have back up to take you out if you do happen to take a couple of them out. Trump will back ICE if they use any excessive force.
A lot of people like to puff out their chest and say that. I still haven't seen something like that happen in the news for all the times ICE has raided people's homes throughout the country. It could be a matter of time but it'll be exceedingly rare.
It is a situation where after the pin drops, everything explodes. Exceedingly rare will become common, simply because law and norms no longer has enough belief to sustain the status quo.
The America we knew is running on inertia alone. That ride is coming to an end.
It does happen, although I haven’t heard of it happening recently with ICE per se, but I do recall Breonna Taylor’s boyfriend firing at police for entering the home unannounced and hitting a cop.
The news like's to pretend that stuff doesn't happen but it does. I remember cops getting super pissed off because the court ruled that a guy who shot some cops was legally in the clear in that particular situation.
when it happens, it's not making the news...
Cops get shot fairly often because of this kind of stuff.
The 2nd Amendment exists for when all the other Amendments fail.
If you don't respect the 4th Amendment, maybe you'll respect the 2nd Amendment.
They will continue to escalate, also. They need a reason to halt the midterms. If they succeed at raids without opposition they get rid of a lot of people they already don't like, and if we fight back, tRump enacts Marshall Martial Law. We were fucked as soon as SCOUTS said presidents were above the law...
Fuck off. We've been watching this for months. Do something about it already.
The thing is people don't like to hear it but history has the answer. The only thing that stopped the Nazis was violence. If Hitler's assassination attempt in the early 1940s had been successful history would never have even recorded his name.
And violence, starts at home. The international community won't help and couldn't help even if they wanted to. That will come in time, but Americans have to take responsibility for starting it.
If you won't stand up for yourself, how do you expect anyone else to stand up for you. Seems pretty simple.
🔔🔔🔔 We have a winner
I keep seeing this. What is there to do?
Commit suicide by cop capital defense force? Because that's basically what "doing something" entails.
Any positions that could "do something" are on the Fascist's side, including the for profit news media. We are just as trapped in this capitalist web of coercion as we were before it went full fascist.
Why do you think filthy socialists and commies like myself were telling anyone who would listen, including getting laughed off of occupy Wall Street by the people we were trying to save, I was there, that the capital markets were our doom and our end? Because they were, and here we are.
I'm just glad their dream of this malice continuing in perpetuity truly is just a malignant dream. Climate change has something for this greedy, sociopathic civilization's ass, and the fact that we're turning our habitat against the species effectively permanently can't be bribed, black bagged, discredited, dissappeared, reframed, or any of the other dirty tricks the capitalist fascists have used to get their way and steamroll the innocent.
Yeah inside how angry the people actually dealing with it are, fucking idiot
So angry that they're willing to sit there and watch television while telling the world they can't possibly do anything.
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal. The government cannot just kick down a whole apartment building full of doors, enter homes, and arrest people at random without a warrant or exigent circumstances. The law is quite settled on this.
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal.
Add it to the list.
"Welcome to City 17"
The "law" is being ignored as it was in pre- Nazi Germany when the brown shirts started arresting and beating and intimidating people. There is no law currently.
It is insane and highly illegal but following the law is not important to Trump, his regime, or his followers. MAGA doesn't care when laws they break as long as they get to be bigots
So Americans, you ready to put a stop to this yet?
General strike now. Shut it down. Organize, disrupt, disobey.
This would require the participation of every union in America. They should be the ones leading the effort.
Don't worry, there will surely be people left to speak up for us when they come for us.
Unemployed people be like:
Sign your general strike card! It only takes 3.5% of the population to bring the economy to its knees.
Sure, I'll just go ahead and lose my job now and deprive my family of food and shelter before the Nazis get a chance to do so.
I'm all for calling out Nazi bullshit, but blanket statements like this help absolutely nobody.
Chickenshit response
I've watched documentaries and studied the rise of Hitler and the Nazis, I don't think Trump will get that powerful. Germany was in bad shape post WW2, and Hitler was quite young, energetic and commanding with a clear vision for his future. Trump is old, tired, and has broken too many promises to his base.
As long as the press mostly stays free, and journalists don't face punitive measures for their reporting, Trump will come and go.
Speaking of, I am a little familiar with this group https://generalstrikeus.com/
I don't see it discussed much in fediverse channels, and I don't really know why. Curious to hear what people think of them. But they're the only group pushing for a general strike that I can think of off the top of my head.
people are still content, because it hasnt reached the HCOL or affluent areas at all(trump and friends probably want to avoid the rich areas). the only strike that put the govt at uneasey position was the railroad strikes, since thats a lifeblood of commerce.
I think its called game theory? Or maybe prisoner dilema. We are afraid that enough of the country is in support of the nazi regime that the strikers will lose their jobs
It's what everyone is conditioned to think and believe
In reality, if they fight they might lose their jobs ...
.... if they wait to see what else happens, they'll probably lose their jobs anyway
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't ... if you do nothing, there is more of a chance of losing everything but if you fight back or at least protest peacefully and disrupt and disobey, there is enough of a chance that you and everyone else will have much more to gain.
Um... I work in elder care. If my team strikes 80+ will die.
We're not talking about you specifically, and it detracts from the message and the seriousness of the situation to use your specific situation as possibly representative of the rest of the country. If all people who can would strike, then we would be in a good place. You're an essential worker. We're not trying to kill off our elders.
I think the general strike is the best bet because they’re looking for a reason or excuse to have the military start massacring civilians. I honestly think a widespread peaceful general strike shutting down the economy until the oligarchs cry mercy is our best hope in this situation
Economic power is the basis of all the megaviolence. General strikes recuperate the true source of the power: worker productivity. Do it now before automation makes it moot.
We have no way of carrying out a general strike right now. GSUSA is a pretty good group trying to build capacity, and UAW President Shawn Fain is pushing for unions to renegotiate their contracts so that they all end on May 1st 2028, obvs including UAW.
General Strikes are illegal in the USA, a union can't call a legal solidarity strike, thanks to Taft-Hartley. I'm not a legalism guy, I think legalism is an illusion the workers need to overcome. But the fact is, we haven't overcome it. Even a lot of pretty militant leftist groups in the US have a "new constitutional convention" fetish, it's even in the old DSA program.
There is no infrastructure for it. A few dozen Americans on Lemmy not showing up for work isn't gonna do shit. The best chance we got is 2028, which will be badass if Trump is still in office.
There is so much work to do and frankly its frustrating when people are like "just do impossible thing". Stand up and help us we need help so badly. I think a lot of people in USamerica who say this kind of shit have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about. No one wants to give up a fraction of their quality of life to have a political discussion about real shit. People just want someone else to come along and save them, and then even if someone does come along, complain if we don't have our butt kissed just the way we like it. The only thing we know how to do is speak to a manager. We are a nation of Karens. We are not ready.
The best chance we got is 2028, which will be badass if Trump is still in office.
He will never leave office willingly. He tried to overthrow the government last time he lost and this time he's a LOT better entrenched. You can't vote out a dictator. If you don't act and put your hopes in an election that won't help you, you've already lost your democracy. And honestly, you'll deserve it.
Dude I'm right there with you in thinking that we're just not capable of a general strike. We don't know our neighbors, don't hang out with strangers, and really have no community outside intimate relations. Shit seems like tons of people can't stand their friends and family either!
It's def the building infrastructure kind of advice and shit I wish people were doing and taking about more. How to we build that infrastructure and how do we connect with the people that are trying to build communities
I want to help correct what's happened here but I also don't want to fucking die or starve or become unhoused
I think the violence will continue (and probably escalate) until the United States of America are split apart. There cannot be one central federal government. Political power must be shifted to the states. Unfortunately, due to historical reasons, not enough people are understanding this yet, because a federal system has worked so well in the past, that it first needs to be proven by Trump that the potential for abuse at the federal level is huge, and only then will the States get their Rights.
Diasgree. With no federal apparatus to guide the force of all 50 states they are weaker on their lonesome and calling aid from one to another is far more burdensome. Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them. Red states are major crop producers that the blue states consume. Balance of powers is the best bet. It's not perfect but it's far superior to dissolving the federal government which would undoubtadly start inter-state and civil wars. Unfortunately, the human propensity for conflict is best utilized in keeping each other in check and is best coupled with rewarding those who suppress suppression and are prepared to employ violence against the violent.
Or, you know, kick the bastards out, and close all the authoritarian loopholes. More democracy, stop subsidizing the fuck out of the rich, move that to education and research. Mandate empiricism in governance.
End US imperialism in favour of multilateral partnerships, especially around the 800 or so military bases in other countries, or else that shit returns home and gets used on Americans. The ship has sailed on being the one superpower. Adapt and evolve.
Myself, I favour smaller polities wherever possible, but given the current lack of an egalitarian basis to start from, breaking the states into countries will be a feast for the oligarchs.
Yes, who's organizing it and when?
This has been there for more than six months. They aren't going to do anything but wave more signs in a couple of weeks. Should work this time.
Who's fucking idea was it to wait until the 18the of October to do No Kings 2?
I’ve been to several of the protests organized by those groups and I don’t think they are controller opposition but they seem to operate like psychological pressure release valves. We all feel like we’re doing something that will change things but until that mass of people shows up and then refuses to leave rather than dispersing after it actually won’t make a difference
I guess this is why the orange turd said this would be a pre-crime... Whatever the fuck that means
They wont. Most are still cheering this on.
too busy reporting on it and saying we need to do something
Does USA needs a bit of democracy?
I'm thinking ICE was not given all that funding for nothing. They were probably already over-funded even before this year, and now they have multiples of what they had before.
Ghouls like Stephen Miller want to see that money spent on inflicting pain on others...
they just needed enough bodies, just incase people werent into targeting citizens.
So it's witnessed by dozens and filmed by none?
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they had people on the team specifically to look for and illegally confiscate any cameras they can see.
Yes, there have been reports that ICE agents are grabbing people's cameras and destroying them. Probably the reason drones are banned over Chicago airspace right now also.
Maybe, but then why didn't the interviewed witnesses say anything?
I'm not saying it didn't happen, just is weird there's no footage.
ICE Is Terrorizing Chicago. We Can Stand Up To Them
they are bringing in snipers too.
I am so frustrated that there are not more views on that video. I’m sharing it everywhere. That shit should be fucking viral.
They control what goes viral.
Arm yourselves and everyone you know. Maintain networks. Communicate via encrypted messaging apps.
I kind of agree. I think we’re at the point if you get kidnapped you’re dead already so prevent your loved ones from getting disappeared if you can.
Invest in LoRa for communication. Like 30$ per person to get a mesh going
Be careful about trusting others.
The US government are professionals at infiltrating organized resistance.
It is definitely "well regulated malitia" time. start forming a group locally. make plans. have each other backs.
If you want this to stop, the city/county/state needs to bring felony breaking and entering + kidnapping charges to every individual who approved this and carried it out. And like tomorrow or as soon as humanly possible.
The kinds of people who carry these operations out do not have empathy and will only change their behavior by force. A big list of felony counts and lawyer's fees might make them pause and reconsider.
They can just arrest/hold anyone who is not outwardly displaying credentials. The feds can bail them out, assuming they have proof... Then you start the whole process again tomorrow.
Just another day in naziland
sounds like the United States
nothing new to report this is just same reposted news
sometimes the labels change but the narrative has always been the same here
This is such a bullshit take. "Oh sure, American cops are brutalizing children now but did you know they also brutalized children before? Oh you didn't? Oh, you aren't completely numb to the encroaching totalitarianism of the American empire? You know it's been happening for decades, right? Why bother being upset about it now when you should have been upset about it in the '70s? and by '70s I mean the 1770s lmao"
Seriously STFU with this. We know it's been happening. The problem is that it's still happening, and as long as it is happening it's newsworthy.
I bet these specific kidnapped children would take issue with your characterization. This is brand new. It just happened. The narrative may be similar to past events, and it’s definitely some believably awful American bullshit, but let’s show some empathy for the specific victims of state violence, while also criticizing the state for committing said violence. Dismissing the news as just more of the same only normalizes this kind of violence, even if that’s not your intention.
Sure, enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_riot_of_1885
The mob marched Chinese residents to a railroad station and forced them to board a train to Portland.[2] In the following days, the structures that remained in the Chinese community were razed.[3] The event was the result of growing anti-Chinese sentiment and violence throughout the American West.
This organized action became known as the "Tacoma method", and despite national and international outcry, it was used as an example of how to forcibly remove Chinese residents from cities and towns throughout the American West.
Amidst the vast and brutal history of racism and genocide in the US, it's easy to forget that the only people to have been banned from the country by law were the Chinese.
I live in the PNW and had never heard of this event. About 20yrs ago I was considering buying an old house in Old Town and now it looks like that might have involved buying land stolen from Chinese residents after having been stolen from Native residents after ... Thanks for the link.
Because Americans continue to protest. This is why he is sending military to US cities and talks about "enemy within".
Make sure you jump on the fascist “empathy is for the weak” train
"Bad" isn't binary. Bad things happen in my country and in yours. Instead of writing it off or using it to dunk on other places, you could try to improve the world and make people's lives better...
Surreal? No. Horrifying.