JD Vance suggests trans people pose a “domestic terrorist threat” & FBI plans to target trans people - LGBTQ Nation
JD Vance suggests trans people pose a “domestic terrorist threat” & FBI plans to target trans people - LGBTQ Nation
First they came for the Communists
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And I did not speak out
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Because I was not a Communist
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Then they came for the Socialists
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And I did not speak out
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Because I was not a Socialist
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Then they came for the trade unionists
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And I did not speak out
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Because I was not a trade unionist
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Then they came for the Jews
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And I did not speak out
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Because I was not a Jew
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Then they came for me
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And there was no one left
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To speak out for me
They actually went after trans people first last time as well.
they went after a Jewish sexologist who studied and advocated for trans people, so the Nazis really killed two birds with one stone. :|
Oh. Look at you 'knowing history' and 'telling the truth'. Has that ever helped you?
"First they came for the trans people, but I didn't speak out because nobody ever even fucking told me they did this until like last year like wtf..."
Depends on what you count as "first". The communist groups (that likely had trans people in them) were the first placed into concentration camps.
You're likely referring to the first Nazi book burning which included sexual health literature on trans healthcare.
Careful. This might be why mossad offed him.
I can’t really even detransition. I’ve lived my entire adult life as a man.
I’m so terrified. What does this look like? Jail, inpatient institutionalization? Will they take away my testosterone?
My brain is on fire. I don’t know where to reach out for help.
prepare for surveillance of any social groups you belong to, harassment at security checkpoints, detainment if you say anything they can take out of context as evidence of some crime or threat, and random acts of violence. have armed security at any event where large numbers of trans people attend. improve your opsec - switch to Signal, get an iPhone or GrapheneOS, migrate from Discord/Google/Instagram. start carrying a taser and take self-defense classes. put together a bug-out bag. stock up on HRT if you can. don't break any laws, no matter how minor. if you are arrested or detained: comply with orders (under protest), don't tell them your phone PIN, say nothing except "I exercise my right to remain silent and I want an attorney."
it remains to be seen how bad this gets. if they start rounding people up in masse, we'll all need to flee and request asylum.
good luck.
get an iPhone
Fuck that noise, Apple is already firmly in the pocket of the orange fascist. They are no longer safe and are now a threat to privacy and safety. I would bet my entire existence they are already handing over data on anyone not straight white Christofascist.
Trans allies are going to need to start setting up an underground railroad.
Get armed, train, be ready.
This isn't getting better any time soon.
Hey, just jumping in here because this does sound familiar. My nana was a Jew in Poland, born in 1923. She saw the writing on the wall and left for Ukraine and the next 5 years on a farm over there. She came back afterwards and found nothing left for her, and that's how I'm now Australian - she went to Israel after the war, didn't much like it and kept moving
Anyway, my point is get out while you still can. My nana was youngest of 7, and she lost 4 siblings. Don't know what's going to happen to you there. You can either stay and fight (one of her brothers was a officer in the red army) or just not deal with the bullshit and move on somewhere that you'll be more accepted.
I'm sorry this is so crap but it feels familiar and I'm worried for you.
Try seeking asylum. Get out while you can.
Is it too early to start claiming asylum in Canada?
A bunch of shit Nazis, obsessed with other people's genitals.
They always were
This is a sad day. We all know this sprung from Charlie Kirk. A podcaster that got killed by a straight white male.
So, it makes perfect sense to target trans people. Fuck these bastards.
This was already in motion before the assassination. Kirk was literally in the process of claiming trans people are dangerous killers when he was murdered. The regime is just taking advantage of the assassination to accelerate a plan they were working on.
I said this before tonight but Kirk was a piece of shit, but he wasn’t just a podcaster. He was hugely influential in getting younger folks to lean heavily right. Like… this might be the biggest political assassination in our lifetimes. I heavily recommend the latest episode of the TrueAnon podcast if you don’t believe me. They cover the extent of his his evil reach much better than I can.
whelp guess i gotta pull FBI aggro as a harmless cis white dude
i'm the president of anitfa over here
I'm also the antifa president
I am Spartacus
"I'm Brain, and so is my wife!"
I broke the dam!
Well if you start treating them like terrorists, some might choose that path. It is a very possible self-fulfilling prophecy. Especially when you threaten their lives like that.
That's most likely the intention behind this. The right would be elated about news of actual trans terrorists.
Hey, just like the NAZIs.
JD Vance is a domestic threat.
Careful that's on the list of things you can't say about Republicans anymore
"You don't call us fascist, it is WE who will call YOU fascist, even if that makes zero sense! But you properly calling us out for years really hurt our feelings and it's totally UNLEGAL now!" -conservatives
(or like Otto said: "You're the vulgarian, YOU FUCK! Now apologize!"
"The land of the free and the home of the brave" my a$$, dear us citizens
Land of the thief, home of the slave
Surely now democrats will stand up for trans people.
They'd have to stand up for themselves first.
Oh they do that plenty. Against the left.
Kamala will keep saying "I'll follow the law" on trans people, as she enforces the law sending us all to camps.
You need a spine to stand
Best they’ll do is offer to paint a 🌈 on the side of a UAV.
democrats are useless fucks. they are so fucking impotent and complacent it makes me want to puke.
democrats are useless fucks.
Unless your name is netanyahu. Then they'll ignore the Leahy law to make sure you get everything you need to genocide Palestinians for them.
In all other things, you can count on them to make up some procedural bullshit to stand in their own way.
It won't let me edit, so I'll reply instead:
"EDIT": Nope. They're blaming people who spoke out against genocide, regardless of how they voted. Like always. We were all there for the 2024 election. Everyone saw the constant barrage of vicious attacks from the right against trans people. The silence from democrats was more deafening than Krakatoa. And now democratic think tanks are starting to talk about dropping even the fake solidarity with trans people.
With stern letters.
sure, just gotta wait for the committee to roll out where all the Dems can sit on it and spew awesome quotes for the media and then do.....jack all.
OR they'll utilize the system that the GOP have pretty but shown to completely ignore.
OR Americans maybe can FINALLY stand up and protect their fellow Americans that are now under attack and are at valid risk of being executed en masse.
lol who am I kidding, we know NONE of this is going to happen.
"A right wing podcaster got killed by a fan of another right wing podcaster, which is why we're declaring that trans people are terrorists."
Iraq war logic, Nazi edition.
First Latinos, now trans people. Wonder what group of people are next.
Autistics. "Drain on the system" "they don't think like you or me" "brain is damaged from vaccines, more humane to put them down"
i hope I'm wrong.
I am autistic. In response to the announcement of RFK's "Wellness Farms", I got into learning how to use a shotgun. Hopefully there will be a Rainbow Panther militia that wouldn't mind having me.
If I am to be put down, I would prefer it to be on a battlefield, than a plantation.
I have depression, my own mother says I'm a burden on society, says shit like "if you aren't contributing, you don't deserve to est" (aka: the "useless eater" nazi terminology), as I try to keep her (small) bussiness afloat so our family can survive. Conservatives have zero empathy.
And they read news about a suspect getting shot and celebrate "good, skip the trial and save resources", they think that the US not having death penalty is "being soft". They think people with autism, are somehow "dangerous"...
The only way we fix this is hope the older generation die quicker (no offense to the elderly people who are left-of-center, but I've seen too many raging bigoted conservative old people).
"those deranged by thoughts of empathy"
Anyone with any history of mental health treatment.
I feel like I've seen this one.
Autistic people next week. If we're lucky, we get an AI generated pamphlet about the wonders of celibacy, to avoid making more of us. If we're not, the US will either ban vaccines altogether, or send us to camps.
I'm nervous it'll be furries or something tangent to them
Full quote:
In a clip from the interview posted to X by journalist Ken Klippenstein, Watters asked the vice president whether he considers “the militant transgender movement” to be a “domestic terrorist threat.”
“If you are encouraging people to commit acts of violence against the United States government or against your fellow Americans, absolutely. You’re involved in a terrorist movement,” Vance responded.
Not that I don't think violence against trans people is absolutely his intention, thankfully, he didn't manage to vocalize that specifically to his base, nor is he capable of doing it himself - he's still very scared of getting sued for hate speech or libel, or for anything hate-related to happen under his direct watch. The quote was basically "If you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist!" with numerous wording twists to hope bigots would take further implication.
My point being, keep fighting them for being transphobic, but please don't reach the level of fear at which you become afraid of daily life.
Ken Klippenstein is citing two inside sources who claim Trump is about to designate trans people as "violent extremists," and that the FBI will target them, and that is a bit scarier. I think the queer community actually needs to be highly alert and paying attention in the coming days, unfortunately.
I can't argue with his response in a vacuum. But the lack of any sort of attempt to make it not just about trans is exactly what I would expect.
He could've added "any" in there, but he didn't.
Who could have seen this coming?
it's a mystery. No one could have predicted this. I bet kamala would have been much worse, because she's a democrat /s
If they are such a threat then the FBI must have a big list of all the criminals and murders they have arrested, who were trans, that they have based this information on?
Surely...?
I'm trans too if they're coming for you. Not all cis people look like Fox News anchors so there's no doubt we won't be exempt. I already removed some of my reproductive organs in response to Roe going down, I have no problem supporting people who want to do what they choose to their bodies.
The Stonewall riot proved that the Queer Community were not violent - until pushed too far. I have seen little to no violent activity from that marginalized group in the news (and truly they would make sure people knew so long as it wasn't a white straight male), making this false attack to rile up hatred. But people will only remain defensive for so long. It will end up finally giving these conservative groups what they want - actual violence, and a reason to push harder. It worked well for Israel, so why not do a pogrom here, too?
Breaking News!! Man that wears makeup is afraid of other men that wear makeup.
Fuck JD Vance and the whole Republican Party.
Says the couch fucking Nazi wearing eyeliner.
Eyeliner is not a reason for discrimination.
Absolutely true. So when I see one of the male (obviously) executives of the "Let's murder boys wearing eye liner and other undesirables too" looking like one of their own victims, it's a pretty natural tendency to try to use their hypocrisy against them.
Think of it like a small fork of the larger issue of hypocritical gay republicans choosing the path of evil and actively hurting the decent LGBT people of the world.
If a straight-presenting male coworker introduced me to their secret boyfriend I'd give them a fist bump and say "yeah get it bro" or whatever it is that awkward old straight people say to their newly out friends.
If my straight-presenting Vice President introduced me to his secret boyfriend that helps him with his makeup, I'd give him the middle finger and say "fuck off demon" or something like that.
Hopefully the distinction is clear!
It is when it's on a fascist Nazi.
They'll try and pin any excuse, on furthering their agenda, even if it has zero data or evidence to support it. Just because you're terrified of things you don't understand, Mr distraction, doesn't mean those things are terrorists. It's just you.
doth protest too much, methinks
I expect nothing less from these Nazi scum.
JD Vance the type of dude to say "no homo" when his wife finally forces him to wash his bunghole
Oh yes men in dresses makeup and heels are deadlier than assassins. What are they going to do? Gag you to death with their caustic wit? Read you to filth? Do a death drop right in front of you? Kill you with kindness and vegan makeup. You'll be blinded to death by bold color eye shadow. Take a deadly shit in a women's restroom, fuch some hunk so hard your eyes will bleed?
This is truly the party of fools. Maybe the aliens are coming to eradicate earth of all this suffering at the hands of idiots.
Look, I saw that one movie with Michelle Rodriguez.
(The Assignment)
I mean that's definitely not true and he knows it. He is saying he wants others to murder people for him in cold blood.
At the very least let him do it himself. A leader who so loudly values strength would surely be capable of it.
I really hate that man.
These guys are so scared of having to face their confusing feelings that they will go to extraordinary lengths like running for office, rising through the ranks and using their power to avoid temptation.
Just admit it to yourselves and everyone will be happier.
coming from someone that plays a drag-queen in college, and has a beTERt eyeliner than USHA VANCE.
Trans people, like people, want to live.
Anyone not MAGA poses an existential threat to MAGA. Simple as.
Hell sometimes they even hurt themselves in confusion.
This guy is such a slob and a loser. A lazy-do-nothing. Seriously, if he was not vice president, any reasonable person would tell him to shut up about his petty thoughts and go do something useful. and we have to listen to his BS. Goddamit.
turns out the " domestic terrorist threat " was JD all along.
One of the foundations of capitalism is the strict enforcement of gender binary, and the move from matriarchy to patriarchy (from men needing to enforce monogamy for women, to know who their children are, to ensure passing down and consolidating of wealth)
so yeah trans people, gender non conforming folks, and people practicing non monogamy are a threat to the system, but not in the way theyre proposing
read the origin of the family by F Engles, there's also a section in transgender warriors by L Leinberg
JD Vance poses an international terrorist threat.
Gee, I wonder why they are turning to more extremism?
I'm not saying this isn't reason for alarm and action, but this seems very desperate.
Why don’t they target every domestic terror threat, no matter what gender?
Because then they'd have to go after themselves
and in europe they want to remove everyones privacy. what could possibly go wrong???
less than 1 percent of shootings where four or more people were wounded in public were by trans people, and that over 97 percent of the mass killings were committed by cisgender men
That's a useless statistic on its own.
Roughly 1% of the population is trans so they are neither more likely nor less likely. Just like ordinary people (despite being vilified). In fact, if you leave geriatrics out of the calculation, trans folk are less likely to commit these killings.
[EDIT: And if the comparison is trans folk with cisgender men then the later are about twice as likely to commit these killings]
So the author's insinuation is correct despite their logic being wrong, however they are not going to convince pearl-clutching conservatives with that article as it stands.
That less than is doing a lot of lifting, at least using the statistics from the Charlie Kirk exchange prior to his death.
It's 0.08% So, less than a 10th of a percent.
Leaves less than 3% for cis women. And the rest of the pie is cis men.
So, one group is far more likely to be mass shooters.
Not that we should stereotype any gender as violent terrorists, but if we were too. It would be folks like Vance rather than folks like me.
The conspiracy right claims that every shooter is trans. Every school shooting Alex Jones is immediately on the air suggesting that it’s because of anti depressants or HRT.
There's another 1% that should be focused on, and people should be hungry for them.
Didn't this guy get shot in the throat? Awful talkative.
Not yet, unfortunately.
That was Charlie Kirk, the other mouthpiece.
So butch to be afraid of men who want to be women and women who want to be men.
Vance feels terrorized by LGBQT? Send in RuPaul!
I wish jd Vance would suggest shutting his mouth and spending the next 3 years in quiet contemplation over how he got here
too early?
Usa is a settler colony, and the largest voting block is still cis het white settlers, you're basically victim blaming
Keep gloating that you're getting the policies you voted for.
You think this won't work with the dolts?
LGBTQ people have a stereotype of better taste in couches. He’s just jealous
wait, so the bullets did NOT say shit like "uwu whats this?"
I do wonder if that's true or made up. It's some twisted mockery of Luigi's case?
Since the Governor had zero clue what he was reading, I'm going with actual evidence. Also, the fact that they blamed the Trans community since it was etched TRN, which was etched by Turan, the manufacturer, proving they lack sense and concentrate on proving their hypothesis rather than following the evidence.
So, this is not his favorite song I guess.
Are all ya dumb fucks who refused to vote for Kamala happy?
Ya happy all your trans friends are about to be sent to concentration camps so you could virtue signal your pathetic hollow support for Palestine (that's actively doing far worse under Trump than under Biden BTW)?
Hope all the death and destruction partially on your hands was worth you feeling like a special little hero for a few hours last November.
No shit.
Hey assholes - this is what the "worse of two evils" looks like! Remember it for the next time, if you get a chance again.
Well, it was all worth it because something something "status quo" and we'd have a genocide in Gaza, or something.
I will always understand having grievances for the democratic party because all they do is defend the status quo - I do too - but not voting over that is just fucking stupid. You want to change that? Go to protests, vote in primaries, support local initiatives for ranked choice voting, donate to causes you find actually beneficial, support local politicians that dont just support the status quo, support movements you believe in. If its about Gaza, speak up about that, donate to humanitarian funds, etc. There are ao many things you can do that can impact these things. But refusing to vote does actually fucking nothing for that cause.
There is no world in which more people refusing to vote for Kamala would have gotten us a better president or stopped genocide in gaza. Or really had any impact in any way that wasn't making trump more likely to win. IMO the folks that did that were doing it more for themselves so they could feel morally superior because they didnt vote for the candidate that supported genocide or the "status quo" even though it literally never would have had any impact on either of those things.
(And let's be real - trump is way worse for Gaza than Kamala would have been. I'm sure she wouldn't have done enough, just like Biden, but at least there are voices in that party calling out Israel. Those voices fall far more deaf on this administration's ears)
I mean we did all witness how maintaining support for Israel was deemed more important.
Something something both sides same.
One side, forgive student debt and invest in infrastructure.
Other side, masked agents kidnap off street, send people to concentration camps, and censor free speech.
See, both sides same.
Mocking individuals that you disagree with by reducing all of their arguments down to "both sides same" and setting up a straw man that you easily defeat is not helping anyone.
I would love to know how many people actually refused to vote for Kamala for the reasons you stated. Obviously it's not zero, but I have seen some variation of the "are you happy now?" comment hundreds of times, and I've never spoken to such a protest voter in real life. Or maybe they're everywhere and they're too embarrassed to admit it.
Instead of pointing to gerrymandering, voter suppression and potential massive election fraud, the mass of comments like yours is starting to feel like straw manning.
My dude, look at the replies to my comments. These people are outing themselves.
Guilty conscious maybe?
Of course they would be more hush hush about their fuck up now. Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
I'm trans and I didn't vote for Kamala. Blue state, not like it even mattered. I have zero regrets about it on my part either. Since then all the liberals seem to be busy meeting the moment with capitulation and self-censorship, it's clear they were never allies. I don't care if I end up in a concentration camp, fuck this rancid ass country.
It was never about being allies with the liberals. It was ALWAYS about choosing the best VIABLE choice for the working class, for minorities, for women, for our planet.
And y'all dropped the fucking ball.
Even in a garunteed blue state, action I spires action. Discourse even to just a handful, has an echoing effect to someone who can male a difference. But you lot lack any strategic vision or foresight.
Spoken like someone who hasn't experienced real danger and doesn't even comprehend the real danger their in.
If it means anything, I don't give a fuck what happens to you specifically either. I give a fuck about the millions of innocent people who are now damned to death and suffering. And all of it could've been avoided if more leftists were actual fucking adults and observed the reality before them last November.
I'm trans and I very much care about not ending up in a concentration camp, please. (And yes I voted for Harris, but for the love of God can we take over the primaries next time, so the neoliberals are the ones holding their nose and voting?)
I'm trans and wish you wouldn't project your not caring onto the rest of us. It only serves to show that you probably haven't experienced anything even remotely close to concentration camps or the related dangers. I did not happily do it with a smile on my face, but I voted for Kamala because I knew that this exact thing would happen if Trump were elected. It was incredibly obvious. Gaza is even more fucked, even more bombed, gestapo is roaming the streets, and we're actively discussing our community potentially getting sent to concentration camps.
But you decided to not even try to prevent it. You decided that because Kamala wouldn't completely stop the genocide in Gaza, that Gaza, immigrants, trans people, and minorities should all suffer even more.
I'm not sure how you still feel good about your protest vote (being in a blue state doesn't excuse it, either. You do not vote in a vacuum, especially when you talk about it online). If we ever get to vote again, I really hope you make better choices and don't get caught up on a single issue. You should be able to choose the lesser of two evils, because if Kamala were elected, we would be in a better position to make actual, valuable change for things like Gaza, trans rights, and progressive reform. Obviously, we can't know how much better of a position, but I can guarantee we would at least not be discussing how we're going to be sent to the camps.
I get that our community is hurting. Please don't make it worse for us because you're apathetic.
yeah but your point of view doesn't count because it doesn't fit within their narrow, convenient narrative.
Absolute alpha tough guy here
Ok, fine - everyone who didn't vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let's do Fox News' work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I've spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It's a powerful human impulse, and it's the primary right-wing impulse. I'm not foolish enough to think it's ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you're not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what's going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it's too late, you'll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it's supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who'll tear it all down. I hope you'll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you're strong enough to fix this yourself.
That's a lot to say people shouldn't be held accountable.
What I wanted was for the US to not fall to fascism, so I chose the only option that'd realistically prevent that.
You and countless other leftests chose to do jack shit, something we know favors the GOP because of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering to virtue signal.
You all are closer to Fox news than those who voted for Kamala. Our action wouldn't have ended up with fascism. Yours did. You were functionally on the side of fascism when itattered most what side you were on. How does that make you feel?
You can't even claim to be an emancipatory movement because literally ever group you'd want to emancipate is objectively worse of and further from emancipation.
Viable allies are whoever we can trust. Whoever either voted for Kamala or doesn't let their ego dominate their narrative and can actually admit wrong for not doing it, or encouraging others in swing States to do it by sounding the alarm.
You lot covered in your own tears and piss after telling all of us to fuck off when we needed you the most aren't allies. You're a liability at best. You couldn't be trusted when it was convenient for you. What makes you think you could be trusted when its hard for us all, when you can't even put aside your ego to admit your side was wrong?
You all proved last November you were never closest to us. Maybe not even close in general. What is there left for us to do than to adopt this mistrust as a survival mechanism so you all don't fuck everyone over for your own egos next time we need to stand?
You keep whining that people are blaming you all for not voting, and not asking yourself why that might be. How you all fucked up to earn this mistrust and disrespect. Self reflect for once in your life.
Hollow words from a hypocrite who embodied not understanding what's going on in time when it mattered most last year. Millions with the same idiotic mentality, and inability to self reflect on their own betrayal of all marginalized peoples.
Again, self reflect. You all earned this mistrust. This is on you all, not us.
I can only hope that one day you and every child with this same defeatest mentality realize how I credibly stupid it was that you use being demoralized and depressed as an excuse to surrender to fascism that reigned in an era that made the prior one look, not depressing, but like a fucking progressive paradise in comparison.
Again
No strategic vision
No strategic foresight
In really, no thought or logic behind your actions at all.
That's not true. Millions of people who can actually accurately call themselves progressives and leftists stood up to choose the best viable option for the marginalized people. Do not project your fundamental character flaw unto others.
Again, put your fucking ego aside for a moment.
And here we are at the neo-liberal gaslighting y'all so fervently foam at the mouth at when the Dems do it.
Just like the establishment Dems you hate. You completely abandoned everyone who needed you to act when you had the position to do so at least in some way.
And now that you actually see the threat when its FAR too late to avoid, you're demanding unity and alliance.
Fuck that.
You're a liability, not an ally. Until you and everyone who thinks just like you gets their heads out of their asses and learns to sacrafice their egos for the good of others, we are in more danger with you than without you.
You all have proven I disputably that you cannot be trusted or relied on to do your part.
Put your ego aside for once. Nobody should be allying with you until you do that. Until then, you bring them more danger than help.
You guys still cant accept that your candidate just sucked? No? Still blaming leftists and minorities?
Anyone who didn't vote against trump deserves the blame
Actual leftists voted for the best viable option for marginalized groups, which was Kamala.
Pathetic virtue signalling asswhipes who don't actually give a damn about marginalized groups didn't vote or voted for a non-viable third party. An action that objectively helped the fascists win given how the Electoral College and Gerrymandering typically works.
You aren't a leftist, you helped the fascists. Congrats, you fucked over everyone the left is supposed to care about.
But then how will they learn?! /s
Virtue Signalling leftists when boycotting voting for Hillary didn't turn the Dems left so why the fuck would boycotting Kamala do it?
Why is this stupidity still being repeated? God, I'm so tired of refuting it. I'm just gonna start calling you stupid and move on.
Just like you did when you passively voted for Trump and your local GOP representatives. What a surprise!
.ml, of course lol
Edit: better?
It's time to get over it and look to the future. She lost. Talking shit isn't helping anybody but you.
Actually I think it's vitally important that voters learn from this. Or you'll all be doomed to repeat this mistake again in the future, if you get the chance that is.
I voted for harris. This will not matter to any centrist, since I spoke out against their only policy.
The anti-genocide left was too insignificant to listen to, according to the pro-genocide center. Now they're solely to blame for her loss, according to the pro-genocide center.
It can't be both. Either they're too insignificant to listen to, in which case they're too insignificant to blame, or they're to blame, in which case they're kingmakers and you should have listened to them.
Best thing we can do is to stop blaming and focus on solutions. Holy fuck this is frustrating and tedious.
The anti-genocide left isn't to blame for the loss.
The faux anti-genocide left who refused to vote for the best option for the people of Palestine on a very shitty election (Kamala) helped Trump with their inaction.
Trump, who by the way, has supported the genocide being hyper exacerbated compared to that of Biden and Kamala.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
Kamala sucked bro. She started out with a promise of change, which saw her soar to knew heights as her campaign reached $1bn+ funding from a large proportion of individual donors.
But then around the DNC, she became Biden 2.0. And that turned people off because Americans had just kicked his ass off the campaign.
Politicians don't automatically get to have our vote. They earn it through campaigning. The mentality of "Vote Blue No Matter Who" has unironically led to the Democrats racheting towards the Right. It happened in 2016, and it happened in 2024.
Voting AGAINST something, which Kamala made a majority of her campaign about, appears to not be as good of a rallying cry as voting FOR something.
I voted for Kamala btw. But I criticized her from start to finish in hopes to extract more concessions that she ended up allowing.
Both sides are not the same. Kamala would clearly have been less authoritarian and evil. Unfortunately the Democrats are currently so shit that voting them in, even repeatedly, won't fix this mess. That's because the current authoritarian form of the GOP would continue to sit at the sidelines, gathering support via populism for another term or terms, until it gets voted in, because the Democrats appease them at every turn and allow themselves to be dragged to the right on any and every issue the GOP chooses. This doesn't work and the GOP end up winning. There were four years in between Trump 1 and Trump 2 and they did nothing to tell a story which counters the fascist othering of LGBT, brown and immigrant people (which will expand to "the left" , then anyone who disagrees with anything they say, and then finally members of their own club, as fascism always does). The GOP have changed the game, and the Dems are still playing by the old rules. Until someone like Bernie or AOC gets control, the actual quickest way out of the current tragedy is to let fascism eat itself, a process that may cost literally millions of lives. But sadly, voting in a Democrat gov is no longer a way to avoid this.
I sleep like a baby knowing I cast no vote for a genocidal administration nor a fascist one.
No, really, I sleep so well.
You just enabled the FAR MORE genocidal administration to kill off not only Palestinians, but now marginalized groups at home.
You objectively helped exacerbate the current genocide and make new ones. Sleep on that.
It was never about trans. No one engaged in this line of thinking ever gave a fuck about individuals.
To think a political party is an ally... Yeah, I got a bridge to sell you.
They don't care because this doesn't affect them. That's why they didn't vote, they always want other people to make their decisions for them.
Only when you have felt oppression and seen it with your own eyes do you understand the impact.
I can't wait until the right feels ACTUAL oppression and not just the made up shit they come up with for pity.
You are 100% right, and 100% useless. I'll bet you were one of those morons who thought they were helping Harris win by scolding voters who were angry about genocide. Brilliant politics there, berate voters until you get your way.
Fuck this bullshit, why do they get a free pass? They caused this, they need to take accountability for what they did.
The voters "angry about genocide" ABSOLUTELY deserve to be criticized for their unbelievably stupid or selfish decision. Those people fall into two camps 1.) extremely stupid and short-sighted or 2.) Inauthentic self-centered assholes who care more about how cool and rebellious they appear than they do about Palestinians.
You expect us to believe you care about Palestinians when you helped bring Trump to power? You intentionally made things worse for Palestinians just to make a political point. That's fucking despicable.