Immigrants might be in camps, but at least you 3rd party/nonvoters have your sense of moral superiority!

I feel like the reason there's been a resurgance of posts rehashing this has to do with Zohran Mamdani winning a primary in the largest city in the United States. While being openly pro-palestinian AND using the Socialist word positively to boot.

If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran's loss.

Mamdani lends credibility to some of those 3rd party/non-voting/protest voters' strategy.

I think this causes some... feelings.

Mamdani is not third part though, because he won the primary. So he's the candidate from one of the two big parties.
- And it seems to me like the main reason the dems are unhappy with his win is that even though he won a primary, he is not very likely to win the election given American fear of socialism.
Not really. New York's mayoral election has ranked choice voting so it's a different situation. Also, Cuomo is the 3rd party candidate at this stage - he's running as an independant.
- If Cuomo voters snake the election from Mamdani I hope Cuomo has his rapey fingers crushed in a subway.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
We would also not have immigrants in concentration camps. So you know, it's a trade off.
- The US has been putting migrants in camps since the Obama days. Democrats are just better at pretending they don't do it

If democrat politicians weren't so shit it wouldn't be so close in the first place

So true, the Democrats had a fucking easy ass win all lined up and threw it so hard. 1.6B in campaign funds and they ran on, "We are changing nothing, but at least we aren't republicans."
Everyone below the upper middle class knows the government is not working for the people. People voted for trump because he ran on change. We know he is a liar and using politically uneducated people to push the right wing agenda, but the primary message of his campaign was what people wanted. And he won.
3rd party/non-voters didn't help, but the loss is primarily on the Democrats.
- I remember having arguments with these Blue MAGA muppets during the election. I kept trying to explain to them why it was insanity to pretend the economy was fine. But they were morons with a 1984 streak that would make Orwell blush, and thought they could just manifest their way to an election victory. They kept citing CPI data, saying, "but inflation adjusted wages have never been higher!" When you pointed out that inflation purposefully leaves out a lot of the volatility in prices people were reeling from, and how not all income groups experience inflation equally? They didn't want to hear it.
  Remember the absolutely insulting, just disgustingly condescending term "vibession?" I do. That term alone probably cost Kamala the election. The only thing that makes people angrier than having to deal with a rotten economy is to have their leaders gaslight them and pretend nothing is wrong.
  These morons didn't want to hear it. They have a three monkeys belief system. Just ignore all problems, pretend everything is fine, and just try to bluff your way to victory on election day. You point out the suicidally stupid policies that were killing the Kamala campaign, and they just acted like three year olds saying, "harumf, I guess you want Trump to win!"
  This is exactly what people are referring to when they describe liberal arrogance. Criticism is unacceptable. Shut up and tow the line. Vote Blue No Matter Who (unless there's a progressive on the ticket.)
- we need to be honest with ourselves.
  Being angry at republicans for blowing up the government is reasonable.
  It's also reasonable to be angry at the democrats, who sat around watching them work towards blowing up the government for fifty years and being like "hurrdurr FAIRNESS!" while doing nothing to stop it.
Good thing the republican ones are so much better, them being in power, right?
- You're right. Republicans are awful. Trump is awful. The Republicans handed the election to Democrats on a silver platter, and the DNC still managed to fuck it up.
- I cast my vote and played your stupid game. What have you done besides lick blue boot?
- what about the former statement makes yours occur?
Vote in primaries, run for office.
- You know I've had a DNC member admit to me that they intentionally kill primary campaigns, right?

This community is still in denial from last year I see, I guess none of you braindeads learned your lesson huh

Even funnier now that the DNC approved candidate is running as a 3rd party in NYC after losing his own primary. Suddenly no issue voting for an independent candidate there.

Many core issues were addressed, from climate change to women's rights and LGBTQ+ rights, to concerns over economy (which were improving and have since been downgraded).
Opponent was objectively worse in Every. Single. Conceivable way. It is after all, a binary choice.
Uncommitted fucked off entirely on their, absent of any comparative logic.
The biggest thing that comes out of reading threads like this is the erosion of my original belief that I thought the uncommitted were at least smarter and strategic and and more empathetic and more aware of FPTP voting. There is one big reason why Trump won: People were duped by endless amounts of billionaire's money, seeing Trump at his best and Harris at her worst. I thought folks like you were above that; but alas, you drank the kool-aid just the same.
Edit: For the record, I think massive change in the Democratic party must come. That is not an easy task, but it's the easiest path.

this yet again, still seething.

democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead

it’s almost like multiple people can be wrong for different reasons
That's total bullshit. The leftists don't get a pass for not doing the absolute minimum to stop the fascists from taking power.

Imagine being more upset with 3 million leftists than 70 million republicans.

Are any of the 70 million Republicans on lemmy with us right now?
- Shut the fuck up Jesus Christ this is so tiresome..
  Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people's frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
  How do you have this much energy to be so smug and so flacid at the same time?
- Careful dipshit. If you get any more dense you might collapse in to a singularity. Though you might be doing the rest of us a favor

The important thing is to be more pissed at the Democrats for not being good enough than you you are at the Republicans for being evil. There is nothing worse than a western liberal, not even the pro-trans-murder party

- It's really cool when you freaks say shit like "it's a good thing that the American LGBT community and all the immigrants are getting genocided"
  Really shows that you aren't actually against genocide, you just like when Americans suffer and this gives you a good excuse

It would be saying you are perfectly ok with either candidate over the other. If you say Trump is worse, but the Democrat didn't earn my vote so I didn't, that's pretty aggravating to hear. If you truly felt both options were equally bad, well I can't imagine that perspective but at least that's a rational stance for going none of the above with a different vote.
It often sounds like you will only vote for the perfect candidate who agrees fully with you on every thing, which is an impractical ideal.
All this said, the numbers didn't break in a way for those third party voters to actually have mattered this time around, so despite how frustrated people may be, there's nothing rational in harping on it for 2024.
- Sadly, they both "may" be equally bad. The dems hide it well, trump flaunts it. But they both serve only the elite. Clinton was an epstien friend. And he endorsed cuomo for NY mayor because the party asked him to. They say they want to do things that help the people. But whenever the chance comes, they somehow just can't do it. We need more parties to at least make it so people can't just run and win by not being then other guy.
  And notice how they mostly just take turns being in charge. Either it is part of thier plan, or it is just proof that neither side actually does enough to be worth voting in repeatedly. Cause they could... but they won't. I'm from Oregon, so my vote doesn't matter either way. We always go blue. At least that means we get less election propaganda in the mail and on the phone.
It would be nice yes

I'm getting tired of this back and forth. This bickering is childish and our time would be better spent drumming up positive interest for ranked choice voting.

democrats have a vested interest in preventing ranked choice voting and have already acted to prevent it in areas where it won. So i think fixing the democrats would have to be the first order of business
Agreed, but how do we get it implemented?

This is a fucking pointless fight. If you're still talking about this responsibility shifting nonsense, it doesn't matter what side of the argument you're one, you're a part of the problem.

Y'all are still going to be fighting about this dumb bullshit while ICE handcuffs everyone. Maybe unify so that doesn't happen.

Telling leftists to stop bickering and infighting over pointless bullshit instead of actively attacking the actual enemies of democracy...
First time?

Jesus Christ the election is long over

Simply accept that out of two outcomes (leftists uniting to vote Democrat/leftists trying to send Democrats a message by not voting them in) both would lead to terrible consequences. It was a matter of time, it just got expedited to now instead of few years later.

You cannot vote democracy in if there's no fair democracy in the first place. Elections are over, they won't save you, unite over what you can do instead of wasting everything you have on infighting.

Organize and protest. Join the political organizations in your area and unionize. This is a harder way, and I know it takes time and energy to figure things out and organize and take part in all the actions made, but it is the only way that works.

Please, if you aren't already part of your local organizing teams, go search for them right now.

Barely anyone voted for third parties. I have much more blame for the people who didn’t bother voting than the people who voted third party.

I’ll also call out that “not bothering” ignores that a huge sect of the public gets their vote falsely purged, or has their polling location closed, or some other voter suppression tactic.

True, but I also read that the non voters were also about evenly split, it's not like only the anti trump people stayed home.
He just had the popular advantage, mostly an indictment of the then status quo rather than an endorsement of Trump or indictment of Biden.

Y'all are still doing this? It was moderates who lost you the election, now stop crying about it.

That would require investigating the underlying reasons for election failure instead of the smug vibes-based 'analysis' that centrists prefer
the character in the comic is not a nonvoting democrat (the subject of your linked article).
I did not vote democrat because I am not a democrat and therefore not a nonvoting-democrat. The democrat party did not convince me to cast my vote for their candidate. Just like now I am not a republican either. I did not vote republican.
Democrats lost because they neglected to consider just how important it could have been for their candidate to fucking come out against israel. It’s all she had to do: promise to not send a single dime to genocidal fascists. she had years of opportunity to fight her own president for that kind of change too.
Look what we got “instead.” A fascist who supports genocide.
Both parties are very much the same: capitalist.
- It’s all she had to do: promise to not send a single dime to genocidal fascists. she had years of opportunity to fight her own president for that kind of change too.
  Even just staying silent on the issue would be enough to differentiate her from Biden for many. She couldn't even avoid talking about how much she hated college students, but yet people act surprised those demographics didn't go out to vote. Weird how insulting potential voters and explicitly telling them you don't care about their vote leads to not getting their vote.
  Given she avoided taking positions on most issues until the week of the election (other than to oppose healthcare and support fracking), I have a hard time believing someone in the campaign wasn't intentionally trying to throw the election...
- the democrat party
  Propaganda.
  (for the unaware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet))
Contrary to what left-wing optimists had hoped, Democratic nonvoters in 2024 appear to have been less progressive than Democrats who voted. For instance, Democratic nonvoters were 14 points less likely to support banning assault rifles, 20 points less likely to support sending aid to Gaza, 17 points less likely to report believing that slavery and discrimination make it hard for Black Americans, 17 points more likely to support building a border wall with Mexico, 20 points more likely to support the expansion of fossil fuel production, and, sadly for economic populists, 16 points less likely to support corporate tax hikes (though this group still favored corporate tax hikes by a three to one margin). Overall, nonvoting Democrats were 18 points less likely to self-identify as “liberal” or “very liberal.”
But my punching bag!!
Only 39 percent of Democratic nonvoters identified as white, while 28 percent identified as Black, and 20 percent as Latino. This means that, compositionally, the more conservative profile of nonvoting Democrats (compared to voting Democrats) cannot be attributed to a whiter electorate.
My, uh, totally not racist punching bag!
Democratic nonvoters were nearly twice as likely (60 percent vs. 32 percent) to have a household income of less than $50,000 per year, they were nearly three times less likely to hold a four-year college degree (47 percent vs. 17 percent), twice as likely to be gig workers (31 percent vs. 15 percent), and only half as likely to be union members (27 percent vs. 14 percent). Further, nonvoting Democrats were more than twice as likely as voting Democrats to report feeling the economy is worse now than a year ago (46 percent vs. 22 percent) or that their incomes had recently decreased. And, perhaps not surprisingly given their economic precarity, Democratic nonvoters were substantially more likely than voters to support increased state welfare spending (61 percent vs. 52 percent).
My not racist, not classist punching bag…!
Granted anyone who either didn't vote but would have voted Dem, voted for trump because they were "on the fence" somehow, or chose to vote 3rd party but otherwise would've voted Dem contributed to this outcome.
That said, yeah the terminally online leftist vote is not what swung this election. I say that as a terminally online leftist who voted for killmala harmus anyway
I’m not saying the article doesn’t make some good points. But, much of it is self-contradictory. It says in the beginning of the article that we can rule out progressive appeals to voters as it was the more moderate voters that stayed home. By the end of the article its saying democrats need to appeal to voters by telling them how they will materially improve the lives of working people.
Focusing on how politics can improve lives of working people materially is literally a progressive appeal.
- Definitely true; I'm only quoting the data.

I too like punching down at people with no power. It would be too much for democratic leadership to learn the lessons of 2016 and 2024. Just blame progressives and people who want better things!

No I take this back. Harris was right to push for a fascist border bill and Biden was right to flood cops with money. Oh and we can’t forget enthusiastically funding genocides!
The dems really need to try to out fasc the fascists. That way they can persuade the moderate fascists! After all, progressives have no where else to go! I’m so glad Dems have so many big brained think tankers leading these extremely good strategies that always seems to work out well for us.

You're blaming the one independent when there's 80k red voters?

Of course, you can't fix stupid. At least a communist can goddamn read, so they're worth talking to.
- You call this "talking to"?
- At least a communist can goddamn read
  I wouldn't say that looking at all these tankies and illiterates in Russia and China.

This PIS again...

Oh, let's not blame the Nazis and their supporters in 1930s Germany. Let's blame everyone else who didn't vote the SPD.

You are a Nazi supporter if you let them walk in unopposed.
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- Why not blame the SPD that didn't make coalitions to unite the voters? Or that didn't make the Nazis illegal even after burning the parlament? (January 6th equivalent)
  Stop blaming the people for others shit.
  You voted Trump, you did this.
  You voted Republicans the last 20 years you did this.
  You supported any goverment that didn't do anything to secure democracy, you did this.
  Anyway i don't see Democrats really fighting Trump. I don't know even if the situation will change in the Midterms 2026, with that attitude.

I love how divisive this is without respect to gerrymandering.

Holy shit is this a braindead take.

Watching Biden kiss billionaire ass was way better than watching Trump's construction of concentration camps and also kiss billionaire ass.

- Holy shit dude. I'm just saying pitting your prefered flavor of commie against neo Hitler was a poor choice imo. Enjoy your moral superiority, you've earned it.

This sentiment has never made sense because libertarians steal more votes from replublicans than greens do from dems.

In summary

Vote blue no matter who:

Pro - Democrats more likely to win. Things won't immediately get worse.

Con - Democrats have no incentive to do anything other than what their wealthy donors want.

Result - Things don't get worse now, but eventual rightward drift is guaranteed because the democrats will do nothing good and the republicans will win eventually.

Vote blue only if X:

Pro - Democrats have an incentive to do something other than what their wealthy donors what, in theory.

Con - Democrats less likely to win.

Result - Democrats might do something good if they win. Rightward lurch is possible if they lose.

Can we please stop litigating this now?

Edit: The "best" approach would ultimately depend on the relative effectiveness of influencing democrat policy via primaries or whatever, and I don't think the answer is immediately obvious. I am not advocating one approach over the other, I just want people to stop pretending the answer is obvious.

The democratic party prefed Trump over giving up some deeply unpopular positions. Truly insane.
Bro, all you gotta do is die and all your credit card debit is gone. If you just keep paying the bills, then the debt stays the same until you miss a bill, and then it gets worse. If you die then the debt goes away. Why keep perpetuating the cycle? Dying is the only way to get rid of debt.
That's what your post sounds like
- Except the situation they're describing is a multi-generational one and they're trying to do what's for the greater good over time, which is ironically what the more short-sighted "blue no matter who" people accuse them of not doing. Sometimes things need to be permitted to get worse before they can get better. You can't just follow a simple greedy algorithm of taking the best possible move at every point with respect to the next state of the game. This algorithm is very easily gamed to lead to bad situations.

Oh dear sweet Jesus are both sides bad? Oh my god both sides bad, someone call Plato's ghost, we have a genius here, holy shit never considered both sides bad before
- Thats where you stop considering apparently, instead of accepting the grim reality that voting isn't going to save us as neither party wants to and that we need to do the actual, hard work of forming a new party and demanding more.

While that sentiment may be the most frustrating, even if every third party voted against Trump, he still would have won. If even 10% of those voters went to Trump, he would have even won the popular vote. Polling suggests that non voters were about evenly split, so a stronger turnout generically may have done nothing.

The result was mostly due to a very boring reason. Inflation was high so whoever in office gets the blame. Similarly Trump lost mainly because COVID sucked, and anyone would have lost (his response did suck, but we saw that there was no such thing as a sufficiently good response).

People like to imagine some big political cause for good or for ill moving the voters, but by and large it's mostly about how comfortable or uncomfortable they are in the moment to vote for or against the status quo of the moment. But those folks are "just voting" while a very loud minority talks up their "superior" choice to not vote for a lamestream candidate. They speak loudly, but they didn't have enough votes this time to make a difference. They did in 2000 (technically Gore did have the votes when the data was in, but third party would have made it a decisive Gore victory).

But how can I blame socialist for the failure of society where 50% decide to vote for a convict rapist

Oh boy, is the midterm bullshit already starting?

Ranked choice voting and money out of politics are much more important than this dualistic psychological warfare. Republicans lose votes to third parties, too. Don't play their game. Vote blue if you want, but also extend love to your "deplorable" neighbor. Our division is a much stronger force for control than who is signing oligarchical legislation.

"Vote if you feel like it" isn't going to solve anything. "Vote if you feel like it" got us Trump, and the world and America alike will suffer for it.

Y'all are never making it out of the shit you're in if this is how you're thinking. Neither the republicans nor the democrats represent the interests of the working class. You're just pissed now that the fascism your country has been spreading across the world for decades both under the democrats and under the republicans is coming home to hatch now.

ITT: Lots of people who don't understand that US presidential elections are a binary choice, and one of them is going to be president.

While you may think that 3rd party voters were the reason Trump was elected that's simply wrong. Criticizing those who chose to vote third party instead of our current system without rank choice is not helpful and not beneficial to the public.

3rd parties can't win without electoral reform.
Electoral reform will never happen without a 3rd party to force it through.
Chicken or the egg, and the Fascists still win. Congrats!
- also the same people parrot third party almost never follow through and actually vote, thats why Rs win most elections, they all vote the same way, or the most part are consistent in thier beliefs, eventhough they are terrible ones.
- s/fascists/capitalists/gic;
it could be a million things. people forgot that trump was already president during the worst things happening (covid, epstein), or maybe people were totally checked out from voting because of gaza, fake inflation, or their votes being deleted by post election lawsuits and general disenfranchisement. and while it might not be helpful to yell at third party voters, its still fun and makes me feel better

And this post is an example of a poster who voted for the party complicit in creating the current situation expressing their feeling of moral superiority.

Voting democrat is voting for a longer fuse. Problem is the longer the fuse the bigger the bomb. Or you do what you actually need to do to fix this situation. Do what you should have done decades ago which is not vote democrat.

Well, at least they voted and did their duty as a citizen of democratic nation. Some people didn't even bother to do that much, so for these people they don't get to complain.

I am European, so, an outsider perspective, but....

I'd love to know actual numbers, because I get the feeling "commies who voted third party" are too small a group to swing elections. Just a quick look at the numbers on Wikipedia give 0.11% for the Socialism and Liberation candidate. Jill Stein got more, as did RFK even after he had withdrawn already, but I doubt they were the popular choice of the communists arguing here on Lemmy during the election campaign. (Where I, personally, argued for voting for first Biden, then Harris, because I did not see the left in the US as organised enough to react to the kind of oppression Trump would bring early, whereas I'd wager a Democrat would not have escalated like this. Just to root my own bias for context.)

I am not saying it is impossible that they could have swung a very close state, but I admit, I do think it is very improbable.

So, this feels very much like impotent rage to me, directed at the annoying but ultimately equally impotent agitprop people on here. They are loud on here, but do you really think they were that influential during the election?

i think they were given a big megaphone on platforms like TikTok or X by bad state actors like China, Russia, or Republican billionaires, and were used to sway a larger body that would have ultimately voted for Democrats to simply stay home and not vote because they were repeatedly pushed the idea that Democrats were "just as bad".
- Hmm, maybe, it is always hard to prove an effect like that. Best one could do is exit polling with specific questions of what influenced the decision, and other polls in general. I was interested what polling was available there, most I found was just non-voters as a larger group, which seems to be predominately non-politically engaged and mostly centrist. One article I have found seems to indicate the non-voting Democrats don't really fit the narrative of being swayed by radical left influencers and agitprop either.
  I am also unsure how visible those kind of influencers were on mainstream social media, as I am not active there at all. I always had the feeling they were mostly visible in their own bubbles and by people who got angry at them, thus also getting them served by the algorithms. Their effect on motivating people to stay home, I'd be genuinely interested in seeing in polling numbers, but I sadly could not find any polls with questions like "who influenced your decision to not vote".
  In general, psychology-wise, I think motivating people to stay home that would have voted otherwise is I believe a much lower effect, than the failure in motivating people to get up and vote, who would have stayed home otherwise. Which was not the responsibility of those commie influencers the way I estimate it. However - I admit there may have been an effect: By inducing fatigue in activists that had to argue with them, taking away time and resources for trying to reach and motivate properly undecided non-voters.

Found the Republican trying to divide the left.

Pointing out leftists not voting leads to Republicans winning makes me a republican? How drunk are you right now?
- Because you're lying. Progressives hold their nose and vote for centrists, but that loyalty only goes one way. Centrists sabotage progressive candidates. Centrists would rather lose to a Republican than see a Progressive win.
- I also saw some folks claiming they voted Trump to "provoke revolutionary situation". So there's also that.
I would be perfectly happy voting third party. I'm also incredibly aware of the risk of splitting votes under the current system. It happened, as an example, in a special election in Hawaii a while back when two Democrats each refused to back out of the race and the lone Republican took office with a plurality that was far from a majority. If there were a runoff, ranked choice, or similar system in place Charles Djou wouldn't have stood a chance because few would choose him over the other Democrat.
Start with changing the voting system, then we can talk third parties.

As a resident of a state where Democrats are going to win, regardless of what I do, a state whose tiny insignificant number of electoral votes don't matter anyway, fuck you.

Please explain to me how the third party vote would have swayed the election if everyone chose D instead.

Maybe they were delayed in posting about the 2000 election?
- Honestly that's the best example of when the 3rd party vote WOULD have made a difference, not 2020 or 2024. So yeah, absolutely
  But know shit libs, they'll cry foul as much and as hard as they can for those of us gaining more and more class consciousness to bend the knee.
  Not happening bro! Especially now since we're not in an election season! This is the best time to start repairing the party!
Should have been the protesting non-voter.
That if is so hypothetical that if my aunt had balls would be my uncle but is not.
- I meant like if everyone in the Independent group voted D, for clarity

Plus the republicans cheated. They did it legally through gerrymandering and voter suppression, but they also said they did it illegally. I believe them.

People who focus on just one sole issue and ignore the full consequences and the reality of the say they do have deserve about as much democracy as MAGA. But don't worry, you no longer will have any say at all.

Can someone please tell me a communist country that doesn’t strip citizens of their rights?

No, so enjoy the downvotes

Are these third party voters in the room with us now?

Yes.
Source: lemmy.ml and lemmygrad
- You mean Russian bots and 50-cent PLA agents? I don’t think they vote in the US. Or at all.
  Do you have, you know, any numbers showing that third parties spoiled it for democrats?
Unfortunately yeah. In fact 3 of the largest Lemmy instances are populated by almost entirely by these third party voters. Even this thread seems to be packed with third party voters trying to defend their support for fascism with the excuse "It's not my fault I voted third party, I don't understand American politics"
- Even this thread seems to be packed with third party voters trying to defend their support for fascism with the excuse "It's not my fault I voted third party, I don't understand American politics"
  Could you link them? Because I only see one person even saying they didn’t vote Democrat.
I voted 3rd party. If only I had voted 1.6 million more times for KH, I could have changed the outcome of the election!
Look anywhere in this thread
- The one guy who says he voted third party spoiled Harris’ victory?
  Show me the numbers.

If the Dems voted for the 3rd party candidate instead we wouldn’t be in this place. Thanks a lot, Obama.

Sarcasm?

NPR: Trump still would have won if everyone had turned out to vote. This could only have happened if either a. a(n electoral) plurality in this country prefers evil, or b. the Democrats failed to either have or articulate a platform sufficiently different for voters to see the difference. If the former, no amount of voting one's conscience would have an effect either way; if the latter, maybe folks who want change should either abandon or replace the Democratic party.

blaming that one guy is the mentallity that brought that country to its knees. good job, and have fun in the camps.

The only way to vote against the 2 party system is to vote 3rd party. It has to happen sooner or later. Otherwise, the Democrats and Republicans will be in power forever.

The two party system exists entirely because of FPTP, and it will never change until some form of RCV and proportional representation is implemented.
- and that won’t happen until democrats are made to or replaced with people who will, which means only voting for candidates who represent your values, and not voting blue no matter who
It is amazing how delusional people can be. Third parties have never truly had a fucking chance so no you're wrong as fuck

Well if it is a matter of life and death vote democrats yes but then just dont sit on your butt the next for years (same goes for the maker of this meme), support alternative movements, spread the word, volunteer if you can. Yes republicans and democrats are not the same but I am convinced that more than %50 of the democrat senators will have no qualms about completely changing their supposed ideologies if it is required to keep their seats.

In my opinion, one should have voted blue, aka against red, and after vote going on the street and write dems to do their fucking job as it meant to be.

Solely because I think that dems would at least listen to the people.

And if not, there is reason to riot and one would have not to fear federal police and military as much as US people have to have now resisting.

This is a view from an outsider.

with no leverage because they know you will vote for them no matter what anyways.
- That is why my post suggests to riot, if they would have not listened, but riot with clear objectives.
The same dems that listen to people about Palestine in a election year and lost because of it?
- Dems were split on that topic, if I recall correctly.
  I think, it would have bee possible to build pressure on Palestine killer promoter dems by speaking out and supporting dems who speak out against the slaughter, like Bernie did.

Ah, yes, because even a single vote can change the course of an election that is rigged from the start. The real answer is to vote for the lesser evil, then go out and arm yourself for the inevitable, as only violent revolution can solve this problem at this point.

That's how I feel. I think we've devalued the constitution to the point where it needs to be replaced. That's only likely through an over throw.

Dios mio

Hate the game has gotten you the Trump death camps, congratulations!
Yeah victim shame, are you really a victim when you are this complicit.
- This place is gnarly! I deleted the comment about 9 seconds after posting, because I realized I was browsing in all, not home.
  The post got me, sorry if I offended you.

Literally not how elections work in any country on earth.

Lame strawmen and whataboutism is all that tankies got. Tankies loves genocide, and they don't care one bit about Palestine.
- Tankies loves genocide, and they don’t care one bit about Palestine.
  Democrats don't even acknowledge there is a genocide going on

This made me laugh more then it should have especially cuz we are living this now.