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This is the propaganda I can get behind.

And with trolleybuses powered on a renewable grid, it's zero gallons!

Or maybe tell bosses that if your job can be done remotely it should be done remotely. Then there's more room on the bus for people who need to be in meatspace to do their jobs.
- If only bosses were open to persuasion.
- Yeah, tell it my boss. I had this conversation today with her.
- I wish I didn't need hands for my job, 90% of it is brain work with a tinker here and there. I see so many videos of robotic hands being used for things and can't wait for the day I can just send one of these out to a site equipped with some tools and just remotely tap into the video stream. It's coming and I don't think it will be too long. Hell, I'm just a layman and if you gave me a dedicated year and some funding I could get something viable up to par so I'm sure it's possible, guess it just won't profit anyone enough to sell it yet.
We used to have trolleybuses when I was a kid in the 70's, they were so insanely much more nice to ride than a diesel. No bad smell, and they were smooth and quiet.
I guess we will get back to something similar soon, but with batteries.
- It's still a shame because the batteries are less environmentally friendly than the old trolley busses.
While I agree with the comparison in the post, the trolleybus powered by renewable energy shouldn't be compared to gas cars.
It should be compared to electric cars powered by renewable energy.
- I disagree, the bus is still replacing the purpose of the gas cars. The bus should just be compared to both gas and electric cars.
- It is easier and cheaper to make one larger electric vehicle than 68 smaller ones, and they would damage the road less too. Of course this kind of comparison between two different things is inherently very difficult to do fairly
- Trolleybuses are much lighter, cheaper and reliable than regular electric bus or car. Also: a car is still a car.
- Nope, a car electric or not creates multiple issues like urbanism, pollution (i.e: noise, visual, microplastics), hotspots, hostiles environment like parking lots, increase deaths rates, consequences on flooding, etc.
  A lot of them can be solved with public transportation.
- How are buses still not better? The ratio of individual people being moved to total mass being moved is better. The maintenance and insurance fees are collective. The driver of the bus is a trained professional vs some rando commuter.
Trolleybuses are great. Fuck Sobyanin.
- Until in 5-10 years when the batteries are fucked.
  That's the beautiful thing about trolley buses - they do not need a (substantial) battery. They are basically trains on wheels.
  There are some places where battery powered buses make sense - for example, where I live, lucerne Switzerland, there is one bus line that just goes up and down a rather steep hill. By using recuperative braking, the battery powered bus is super efficient. For other, normal 'high traffic' lines, trolley makes so much more sense

VPN uses 0 gallons.

Acktually, to use a VPN, you would need to turn on your PC or phone, which uses a small but existent amount of petrol -🤓
- Solar power. Checkmate, atheists.
- Hydroelectricity, nuclear, wind and solar BABEEYYYYYY!!!!!
- perfectly valid point to bring up on a community dedicated to hating on polluters even if it was originally just a joke. Pretty serious matters
Very hard to deliver milk over VPN
- When was the last time you saw a milkman on a bus?

68 men plus the driver makes 69, amirite?

Ah, you should see buses in my city. Dirty, thirty years old, overpopulated graves on wheels with no air conditioners.

Never again.

That one bus company in the nearby city that absolutely refuses to replace their miserable old buses 🥴🤡 while the others run modern air conditioned hybrids, and some fully electric
- You have multiple bus companies in one city?
with no air conditioners.
Dear Faust. Are they using Soviet minibuses?
- Ha! I have nothing but good memories about PAZ-3205. Fast, comfortable, with working AC.
  LIAZ-677, on the other hand... now that's a proper torture machine
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/LiAZ-677_bus_in_Bor.jpg
Thirty years old is a perfectly reasonable age for a big chunk of a city's fleet. You're still talking kneeling busses.
Then start campaigning for better public infrastructure.

Despite having the tube and double-decker busses, London is the most traffic congested city in the world.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/these-are-the-world-s-most-congested-cities

Imagine how bad it would be without the tube and busses! All these people trying to drive in London? Just thinking about it I shudder and I've never even seen London.
Good job they have them, in that case!
I was in London for a few days last year and it was pretty fine
- At least in my experience most of the traffic is people trying to go into London from commuter towns, and they'll take the motorways not the streets

Recently visited York (UK) and they have a fantastic bus system - and they're electric.

Busses in my city are also going electric. So far only the local routes. The longer distance routes are still diesel

I could take 68 men. That's a normal Saturday night for me.

...in a fight right?
- Uuuhhhh....
Can't take any more, because at 69 you'll blow a rod.
- And not in a good way either...

But everybody loves cars! Just look at how many cars people buy all the time!

/s

But that'll take away people's freedom to pay a subscription for heated seats 😔

Gallons? Shouldn't it be liters?

Shamelessly stolen from I can't remember.
- The only issue I have with this is there's a British gallon (that is DIFFERENT from the American gallon) that is used to measure milk. :D. That was the only place I saw gallon being used.
- Brits use tons and tonnes as separate units? Not confusing at all
- Actually, as much as I dislike imperial units, when it comes to body temperature I do think in Fahrenheit. Mostly because that's how my mum would tell if we were too sick to go to school. 99 - just a little ill, but you can have the day off. 100 - pretty ill, probably at least 3 days off. 101+ - super mega ill, off all week.
I believe England, GB maybe, is very much a mixed bag when it comes to measurement standards.
It's Bri'ish, innit
No, litres.
It's not a modern poster
- It's not a modern idea either
Reminds me article name from USSR newspaper about plane crash: "Gallons let down"/"Подвели галлоны".
It would be nowadays, but this is an old old advert.

This was a lot more appealing before COVID.

Now consider an electric bus

Now consider a trolley.
- Are there multiple tracks?

but this isn't new technology where you can write a 100 bullshit news article about and prais it as the next big thing because it actually works and is efficient

And six times as long as best.

Exactly!
70mins of walking/train/walking... Or 25mins door to door in the comfort of my car.
- In civilized places, buses take about as long as a car, as they're prioritized in infrastructure. The added benefit is that you don't even need to own a 2 ton death machine.
- With the added bonus of storage space for all sorts of things!
- In London?
Let me guess, you're a 'murican?
- Nice assumption you wrongly made.

What do I do when there's no bus route anywhere near my work? I cycle when it's weather appropriate but I ain't cycling to work in 20°C heatwave.

20 c is a heatwave? Isn't that like 68 F? I'd think 30+ is heatwave territory.
- 20 is enough to he generally uncomfortable all day.
- Nah, 30° is hot, heatwave territory is 35+
20° heatwave? It's 33° tomorrow and I'll be cycling.
Campaign for better bus routes?
You're quite picky. Appropriate for a 1st Worlder, I might say.

We need to get one more man to work

Won't work in the US. We all hate each other.

British people all hate English people. Even the English.
- damn english people, they ruined england

And never mind the rampant spread of bedbugs and disease, being exposed to violence and sexual assault, risking being arrested simply for angering the bus driver, being made late to work or even missing it entirely because of bus breakdowns, route changes or cancellations, or any number of problems that are more easily rectified with an electric car or a bike

Yeah man because these are all inherent issues and not at all to do with the implementation
- Yes, they are inherent issues. You can't control who goes on that bus and therefore can't guarantee the safety of passengers. You can't control whether buses break down or if the routes will change or not, so you can't guarantee riders will get to work on time, if at all. And in many cities, bus service is so poor that jobs will not hire people who ride the bus for those reasons.
  You also can't stop people from spreading bedbugs and disease, and we all saw how well you reacted to that during covid.
  Accept that you're just wrong on this. No matter how much you want buses to be a viable solution, they just aren't.
Normal people don't live in your strawman world of mental conjurations. Civilized countries already have great public transportation infrastructure working for hundreds of years.

You need about 7 cars displaced per bus at all times in order for it to be more efficient in gas.

I would rather have a world full of velomobiles than buses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport#US_Passenger_transportation

Is that still true for modern hybrid buses?
Edit - also surely mean you need to average 7 people as when it's full it'll be a little over 12 times as efficient as when there's 7 people. So it could run for 10 minutes full then about 2 hours completely empty and it would balance.
- No i meant 7 cars worth of people. If a bus can displace 7 cars then it is only equal in efficiency. This applies to hybrid buses too as they only get marginally better performance per energy needed to use.
Only 7? That's about 10% of rated capacity or 6% of sardines-in-can capacity. And that is for single-section bus.
I don't know how it is in other places/countries but in Paris (inside and in the ≈ 15km area) , clearly, there is always at least 10 passenger in the same bus, I would say 25 average and at the peak hour an easy 50. So I think buses are still an energy efficient transport, at least in some places.
- Moscow, usually all seats are taken(25 people), maybe only during night passanger count is single-digit.
- I think most people recognize buses are effective for major cities. It gets murkier for less populated locations. America doesn't really build dense.

Yeah, but buses generally suck. Give me actual rail, thanks.

The DC Metro was amazing.

They don’t have to suck though.
- They pretty much do have to suck. They arrive infrequently, stop frequently, accelerate like an overloaded lorry, and are only remotely feasible if your start and end points are on the same route. Switching buses is a huge time penalty. They only approach usability in urban hellscapes that are so densely populated, it makes my skin crawl.
  Yet they keep putting them in small cities and towns where they take 3x as long to get anywhere as driving because of indirect routing, while causing traffic congestion because of frequent stops and low performance. Seriously, fuck buses.
London buses definitely don't suck. You can't lay light rail everywhere and buses are great at bridging that gap.

People people. We need to solve the problem of cars by building bigger cars!

Yeah man if you solution doesn’t completely solve the problem, fuck it! Throw it away it must be entirely useless right. No merit. And plus we have all the time in the world to wait until we have a perfect solution right? Duh!
/s
With the exclamation mark, it's obvious to me that this is sarcasm. However Lemmings seem to take anything not marked with /s seriously or interpret things in the most negative way to the degree that I'm starting to question myself.
This is sarcasm right?
- Well if they get smaller we’ll need more of em!

This assumes all of them live right next to each other though

they only need to live within walking distance from any bus stop along the line. the difference averages out to something around that ballpark
Is the idea of 68 people living within a few blocks of a bus line hard to believe? You know they don't all get on on from the same stop, right?

but how many gallons does it take without hating to your life?

see answer 1

'murican behaving as a 'murican, as usual. Just live in a civilized country, friend.
- I live in Finland and drive an EV, good attempt. My reply was just a joke 🤦‍♂️

That's fine when back in the day they didn't want to stab you for looking their way for 0.3 ms

Seek mental help, you may be paranoid.
- Not sure why I'm down voted, I literally got attacked in a London bus...

We'll here in my city it not cuts congestion it MAKES congestion

So the very first result on Google for "double decker fuel efficiency" give the result "per gallon, while a 'double-decker' bus with a Diesel engine will run 11 miles per gallon".

44 / 5 days is approx 9 miles poet day. 4.5 miles to and 4.5 miles back.

I didn't want to believe this but I guess city dwellers where double deckers operate would probably have short commutes like this on average