"If you didn't want fascism you should have voted!"

Reminder that the Democrats would be considered even further right than the Conservative Party in Canada. And Canada itself is still considered pretty right wing with no big leftist parties (NDP is still center-right at best)

Bought a lot of European stock during the trump crash so..

THANK YOU COMMUNISTS FOR NOT VOTING 😁😁😁😁

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From what I've seen it's more like republicans fuck everything up, then democrats come in and un-fuck everything. Then the democrats introduce good policy that Republicans take credit for. Rince and repeat.

Sounds a lot like the “both sides are the same” argument with more steps. If people voted left wing then the politicians would go left wing.

Neoconservatism ruled the last 40 years but it's not even a "conservative" doctrine. It's a bipartisan Zionist foreign policy. Trump is a knee jerk response to Dems alienating people with centrist social opinions, Republicans shipping jobs overseas and both of them sustaining pointless forever wars.

What a shit show. (Not an American, btw)

I wonder, how many "both sides" Americans who didn't vote (or voted third party) expected Democrats to win anyway. This way they could feel smug for not "voting for genocide" while still getting the clearly better option.

Now they have to pretend they didn't fuck up and act as if having a "protect the status quo" democrat wouldn't have been any better.

I'm not American but there's so many socialists on here refusing to vote for the lesser evil because they don't offer the right candidates and advocating revolution.

why not take a page from the right's clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries. Maga managed to turn the republicans into exactly what they wanted this way, but the American left just sits there waiting for someone to start a revolution.

well I understand it might be late now and elections might not do much going forward, but jesus it's like the only option you guys saw is voting for whoever the parties put toward or revolution.

That's right, everybody knows that the left and the right are perfectly equally bad, and the act of voting to stop the bleeding and starting a revolution are mutually exclusive /s

And then after years of this nonsense, people wonder how the poor voter turnout that got the fascist elected happened.

As an lndian, l know to what kind of human beings we hand over our sovereignty.

This fact doesn't really invalidate the initial statement though.

We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn't an endorsement of the Dems, just reality

I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won't come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.

There’s so much Democrat bootlicking in here, the comment section smells of wet leather and shoe polish.

If you can’t draw the line at genocide, you’re trash. No exceptions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Republicans aren't 100% gun ho about trumps recent (and easily foreseen) fuck ups.

If we replace First-past-the-post voting, we could easily see the republican party get replaced with a more reasonable conservative party like the democrats.

Plus, you know, screaming at people unrepresented in government to vote for your preferred political party isn't actually democracy.

If Alaska can do it, so can your state!

Before you reply to me directly please understand:

1. The US overthrew democracy in the country I am from
2. The US installed a fascist king with secret police that terrorized my family
3. Once kicked out the US supported a dictator in the neighboring country where the other half of my family lived
4. The US funded both sides of a war between my country and the neighboring one that led to mass civilian deaths, one side directly by giving a dictator weapons and cash and the other side clandestinely thru laundering money by selling drugs in Latin America
5. Once they lost that war turned on the dictator in the neighboring country and invented reasons to illegally invade. Twice
6. Toppled the regime and left a power vacuum that consumed all my family that lived there for literally hundreds of years.
7. Created material conditions in the country my family is from that forced them to leave or die

You Americans are not the good guys, your country and government is evil to its core.

I keep saying this: if Democrats want me to vote for them, they need to run better candidates that represent my interests.

Why does 'falling in line' always have to be a one-way street? It's always the progressives' fault, never the centrists or neoliberals.

That's by design, because progressives actually want to reduce the disparity in wealth. The American 'left' is filled of greedy, entitled consumerists just like the right. It's why they want to squabble over the culture war while ignoring the class war.

The neat part about voting is that even if you do it you can get fascism if the rest of the country are a bunch of fucking idiots.

The absolute highest priority in American politics should be getting rid of the 2 party system. I’m not going to pretend to know how exactly, but I think a good step in the right direction would be some form of a ranked voting system.

I try to remind people that we have no "Leftist" party or even a "Centre left" party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.

The Democrats suck but there's a huge difference between voting for boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Don't make me tap the chart.

Here is an example of a successful third party in a 2 party FPTP voting system that people keep insisting is impossible in the US because "muh RCV required"

You had a choice OP

1. Vote to maintain a bad status quo
2. Vote to make things a billion times worse via fascism
3. Start a revolution

Instead you chose secret option d. Make 'both sides equally bad' memes to justify the acceptance of fascism.

Always vote against the fascist. Or revolt.

Democrats spent their entire life understanding what FPTP is and their entire political understanding hangs on explaining it to other people any time Democrats get criticized.

"Both sides bad" is why we have Trump.

Democrats took America from gays are illegal, to full gay rights with marriage. Environmental laws have been all Democrats. If Democrats did nothing, Trump wouldn't have signed 76 executive orders reversing Biden orders on his very first day.

You can always count on @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org to get most rabbid libs stirred up and face their own contradictions (without taking away any insights from the posts themselves anyway lol)..

Literally every post that just puts the quiet part loud upsets them, lol. Please keep it up, love to see it.

laughs in lives in a monarchy

As said by a wise man, a silent majority does not exist in policy.

This is why revolution and working class organization is necessary.

Also funny when people complain about Leftists critiquing the Dems. Pre-election you said to wait, now it's post election and the same complaints arise.

Dear Liberals,

1. I am so glad I can't see the bullshit from lemmy.world on my server

2. Your economic system guarantees fascism. You can't vote your way out of it. Capitalist modes of production inevitably concentrate power and lead to fascism. It is unavoidable.

The two party system is bullshit, and the solution is electoral reform like ranked choice voting.

One party, the Democratic party, usually (but not always) approves of such reform efforts.
The other party, the Republican party, universally opposes such efforts with extreme fervor.

So it makes sense to hate the two party system, but that system is one party's fault in particular.

Soooo Dems won't make it better but least won't make it worse. If 2 party then easy choice.

Shame people didnt do this 20 years ago and voted gop out of existence.

I would still take blocking progress to the left over concentration camps every time

So yeah, if you think bith sides are the same, then I guess it doesnt matter who won. We probably would be here with tarrifs and camps and a dictatorship, but just with Harris.

Politicians will never save us. The democrats won’t; the republicans won’t. Anywhere. Ever. Period.

Primaries exist. Show up and vote for the boring elections too.

Surely this means we just aren't voting hard enough

I mean... I'm not in love with the idea of "blocking movement to the left", but I sure as fuck would take that over the freespin to the right we are on for now. Like, I get that Dem's need to step their game way the fuck up because you don't win elections by being the "second worst choice"... but still. If we didn't want accelerated fascism...

Democrats certainly have flaws, but focusing on them during an election of such consequence resulted in Trump. And so being "right" was worth it?????

I empathize a bit, but it's not like democrats haven't been getting more leftward either.

The truth is though that ultimately, politicians are gonna be malleable to those who are going to vote, both because of the very simple "if I focus here, I will be more likely to get the most votes while providing due change", but also because the idea of democracy is based in the trust that publics will emerge to voice their concerns to the politicians.

Most politicians are just not online enough to gather the discourse that we would be experiencing, and also there's the whole issue of not knowing how much of it is foreign interference in a trench-suit pretending to be the voices of the locals. That's why direct calls to voicing these concerns to local politicians, and being willing to hear them out as much as they hear you out matters a lot. Some do forget over the years, but a lot join politics because they genuinely want to make life better.

This is a bit of an oversimplification. Actually, the Democrats deliberately run a weak campaign while Russian botfarms tell the left not to vote for the Democrats. And that's how movement to the left is prevented.

Stupid seppo propaganda because they don't know what the fuck democracy is. Dumb cunts. Enjoy your fascist dictatorship losers.

The spread of this brain cancer will kill universal healthcare, public education and all the worker entitlements and minimum wages the rest of us enjoy in real liberal democracies. Canada and Australia are voting and we don't need shit takes from our idiot ex-allies right now. Every vote counts here. Save this shit for the next US election if you ever have one.

Have actually seen people post this bullshit in countries with proportional representation with lots of minor parties. It's a fucking stupid oversimplified distortion even in its country of origin.