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That's not even the whole story. A friend from Alabama said half his union voted for Trump and even the MLs in his area promoted Trump because accelerationism or something.
There's some very weird ml groups, but you just made that up, if not, you'd have said which org.
Also not all leftists are in official orgs. Like holy shit, touch some grass dude.
No I didn't though. Just because it is uncomfortable for you, doesn't mean it is false.
You've already demonstrated your willingness to lie blatantly, no one is going to believe you here.
Well, you actively lie to defend genocide "because Trump", so you're not really in a position to talk.
Where have I defended genocide? Meanwhile you openly declared that you prefer Trump over Biden. It is pretty bad that you acknowledge genocide just to prefer the guy who wants to make it worse.
I said I prefer Trumps honesty, rather than you supporting the exact same thing but lying about it.
prefer the guy who wants to make it worse.
Genocide denier.
Bullahit
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There are only a few legitimate swing states, votes outside swing states don't matter
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In no swing state did third party votes supercede the difference between Kamala and Trump votes. Ie, even if every third party voter, Libertarians included, voted Kamala, she still would've lost.
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Even under the Democrats, "No Rights" is still the party platform.
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Leftists have always supported revolution as the only legitimate means of enacting change, while liberals aid in the constant rightward spiral. Voting is an incredibly small level of political activism, organizing is far more effective.
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The DNC were enacting a genocide of Palestinians.
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True
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This comic is also directed to nonvoters. If as many people voted for Kamala as did Biden, she would have won.
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Ask women, gay people, trans people, protesters, and refugees about that one bud
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Yeah, I can tell how much more effective leftist organizing is compared to voting by motions around
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Wrong for starters, and please tell me how Palestinians are better off under Trump's "have Israel kill everyone so we can build a resort, and lock up anyone who protests" plan?
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- Communists did not create the wave of non-voters. To begin with, voter apathy is driven by the fact that the overwhelming majority feels the government, regardless of party, does not represent their best interests.
- I'm in that category! That's how I feel.
- You can feel free to join the Leftists actively organizing and help make the struggle easier! Throughout history, it has only been through organized struggle that the will of the people gets represented when in opposition to ruling class interests.
- I am 100% correct here. The DNC shipped mountains of bombs to Israel to obliterate civilians and national liberation groups, including aid workers. Trump's position, though less apologetic, is the same: give Israel whatever it needs in order for it to perpetuate its existence as the equivalent of a US aircraft carrier in the Middle East so that the US can exert hard pressure on geopolitical adversaries in the region.
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If you get mad at progressives for not falling in line, start running better candidates.
Since it's so easy to fall in line, the centrists and neo-liberals should have no problem doing it.
You're literally just playing into the hands of the ruling class when you spout rhetoric like yours.
Then run a progressive who can make centrists and neoliberals fall in line. Don't be mad at me when you don't see candidates you want.
Why is it always progressives who have to compromise? Why can't centrists for once have to hold their nose and vote for a progressive?
Because progressives aren't making them in the primaries. Win the primaries, and you force the centrists to hold their noses.
What primaries
Tell me more about how Harris won the primary.
...except the centrists and neoliberals went to Trump. Hillary and Harris both spent their campaigns courting them, and they both lost. Biden, for all his faults, had Bernie help him craft a progressive policy agenda and won. The Democrats undermine the progressive wing of their own ostensibly left-leaning party in primaries and other intraparty conflicts, then get to the general elections and get wrecked because neoliberals would rather vote for the Republicans than pseudo-Republicans.
The republican establishment didn't like Trump, did that stop him?
Well, there are a couple of differences there. First, Trump is an excellent media manipulator. Every moment that pundits thought would be a campaign-ending gaffe became free publicity. He got the equivalent of $2 billion in free media coverage from CNN alone.
Second, Trump didn't actually say or do anything that would upset the donor class like progressives do. He was more vulgar and crass, and the RNC was certain he would cost them the election, but he wasn't an existential threat to billionaires the way Bernie was.
However, if you want an example of how the RNC behaves when someone like that is running, look at the 2012 Republican Primary. Mitt Romney was the frontrunner, but the base was unenthusiastic about him and looking for someone different. Ron Paul polled in second place literally the entire campaign cycle, but the pundit class gave him no coverage. They wrote endlessly about Chirs Christie, Rick Santorum, and even Herman Caine, all of whom had brief moments as the frontrunner, but they completely ignored Ron Paul. His staunch libertarian beliefs threatened the defense industry and Wall Street, so the media and the party just pretended he didn't exist. (For the record, Ron Paul was a wack-job and I'm glad he never became president, but the Bernie parallels are strong).
Interesting and fair point.
Change how we vote so we can have more then two political parties. As we can all see, a two party system is just one party away from a one party state.
And who wouldn't want more then one chance to defeat the republicans?
hey man remember when the democrats were in the house and senate and obama was president and they dismantled ACORN? haha damn that's wild, bro.
You just have a stupid voting system
Yep. Democrats are complicit. Check out the podcast episode "Americas Hidden Duopoly" to learn more, it's the Freakonomics podcast I think.
I'll try to scrounge up a link: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/americas-hidden-duopoly-2/
We all know our political system is “broken” — but what if that’s not true? Some say the Republicans and Democrats constitute a wildly successful industry that has colluded to kill off competition, stifle reform, and drive the country apart. So what are you going to do about it?Agreed, it's stupid and needs reform, but it's the one we operate under. Gotta play the hand you have, not the one you want.
Why not both?
It seems simple enough to me
Hate the syatem
But also recognize that syatem exists
Work both in and out of the system to change things.
Or we just let the people who ratchet to the right keep power so they can keep ratcheting to the right and then wonder why it keeps happening
Exactly. That ratchet works on power.
You spent the whole elections saying that leftists were an irrelevant Demographic who could be safely ignored. And you'll be saying it again come the next election. It's only when you need someone to blame a loss on that they matter.
Can you tell us how the Dems are going to reform the voting system so that people's choices are fairly represented? No? They have no plans for that because they perceive themselves as beneficiaries of a broken electoral system? Wow it's almost as if they're self interested crooks themselves
Edit: people downvoting this are the same people who'd hear about coca cola paramilitaries in South America and then switch to Fanta, thinking they're voting with their wallets
I dont get it.
OPs cartoon makes it clear that the dems are oposed to left-wing policies, so commie guy refused to vote against his interests.
The problem isnt commie guy, it's all the other brainless sheep who keep voting for the same two parties who don't represent them.
Consider this: if all the people forced to vote opted to vote someone else, then the Dems would really understand why they're failing, and more, you'd have the basis for an actual third party to from.
But instead you and other dimwits keep preaching the same old 2 party rethoric who has been fucking you over for decades.
I'm 13 and this is deep
As a colorblind person, this seems perfectly reasonable.
I will direct you to my comment here.
I see you understand the faults of the First-past-the-post voting system. Did you know that we can change how we vote at the state level?
That means blue states can easily avoid the situation you are describing by passing electoral reform. We don't need need to wait for a hail Mary from congress to work out, we can do this right now. In fact, some states have already passed electoral reform.
Totally possible, there should be no excuses to keep things as they are. Democrats are self proclaimed defenders of democracy. Of course they would want people to vote how they want freely.... right?
You seem very concerned with the spoiler effect, so I'll leave you some videos on our current voting system and alternatives we can choose from. Because who could understand the flaws of the voting system and not want to fix it? So that people can vote how they wish in a democracy without a spoiler effect.
Who indeed.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
Well aware of alternatives to the flawed 1st part the post system. Which of the alternatives are in place nationally?
You may want to tell your congresspeople and neighbors about it, not just random shitposters on Lemmy for better effect, I know I have.
Good. Since we're the deciding factor, we have increased influence and more negotiating power going forward. Now the democrats (whose slogan is also "No rights!") might actually listen to our demands next time if they don't want to eat shit again.
And if they still won't, then it's obviously necessary to replace them and that has to start somewhere.
hehe, I agree with you. If we don't get what we want we root for the worst possible outcome, and just hope that we are important then!
we root for the worst possible outcome
The meme is about voting third party, not Republican.
But yes, there have to be consequences to us not getting what we want. It's a very simple concept.
that's a horrible concept
First Past The Post voting is a horrible concept.
What's "horrible" about it? It's a very simple negotiating tactic that even a toddler can understand. The difference is that we aren't throwing a fit because we didn't get some toy we wanted or something, we're throwing a fit because people are being murdered en masse before our eyes. If ever there was an appropriate time to throw a fit, that time is now.
Since our cause is correct and indisputably justified, the only thing that matters is whether the tactic is effective or not. And obviously it is effective, if the other side is being intransigent as they are, then "Do what we want, or else," packs a lot more punch than "Do what we want, pretty please?"
I guess we'll see If that worked next election
Well, if it didn't, then perhaps there's no way to get them to do what we want and in that case it is imperative that they be replaced as soon as possible, a goal that is also furthered by voting third party.