For 73% of French people, the United States is no longer an ally of France
SONDAGE BFMTV. Guerre en Ukraine: pour 73% des Français, les États-Unis ne sont plus un allié de la France
The French:
Ever since those fuckers voted for the insane right wing populist lunatic, they are no longer a reliable ally!!
Also the French:
Yay, Le Pen!
For 53% of American people, the United States is no longer an ally of US.
It’s a way higher number than that. Women, GSM, anyone not white, Muslims, disabled people, elderly people, children, students, immigrants, non-fluent English speakers, and of course, anyone outspoken against the regime.
The time to express that was 4 months ago. Now you can only buy a leopard-proof mask and pray.
France has always been a bit different. They left NATO for a bit to push back against the US/UK dominance and they developed an independent nuclear deterrent and delivery systems. They are a shit country in many ways, probably more like the US than they realise. They held onto colonialism for too long, have a stupid political system and their police and security services have done some shitty things. But hard not to admire their independence even if some of their motivations for independence (eg maintaining colonial possessions) might have been suspect.
Many countries caved to the US and became client states, heavily reliant on US defence industry and an extension of the US military, not because we were free loaders as Trump claims but because the US pushed their interests so hard and for so long. We cancelled our own weapons programs and shuttered our factories to support US jobs ahead of our own. Most of us are so dependent on the US it has been hard to conceive of a world without them. Being against the US alliance was basically equivalent to being against national security and being a fool or a supporter of potential enemies.
Trump is breaking people's world view. The French leadership were decades ahead of the rest of us.
A small correction, France never left NATO completely. They left a lot of the joint command structures and stopped hosting NATO's HQ in Paris, but they never cancelled the treaty or anything like that
Yes. It is an important distinction. I should have been more clear.
In this brave new world, we are all Gaullists.
France should take the Statue of Liberty back. The US gov will probably replace it anyway, by one of Donald having is golden balls sucked by a sexy eagle while driving a cybertruck, or something.
Maybe France will end up liberating the North American continent once again. 😉
You could find an area with an "oppressed" French minority, and start by stirring an uprising in there. Once the pot begins to boil, try adding some French commando forces in disguise.
They could start in la Louisiane and Orléans, and teach you how to pronounce these names correctly
China is more trustworthy than the US right now
If they'd be willing renounce their claims to Taiwan and allow democracy in Hong Kong and Macau, maybe I could see that. Until then, same shit in more outwardly rational packaging.
The Chinese regime also lies through their teeth, but they are a known and rational actor.
A backstabbing, erratic „ally“ is worse of course.
Actually, yes. Stability-loving nationalist autocrats vs. instability-loving nationalist autocrats.
Thankfully, the real democracies don't really need to choose one or the other, as long as we stick together.
I know it's hard to accept it as an American. But here we are
That feeling has been reflected in recent polls here in the UK too and I think the US might be finally blowing it with its 'allies'.
I hope that the Trump administration can get all its core industries up and running because there is a big sense that the US empire is on its way out now. It was always bound to happen eventually because it always does but I was not expecting to see it unravel so fast and so soon.
Perhaps the US population can resolve (or dissolve) its internal divisions and conflict but I think it will take years and Europe has urgent problems that need tackling right away.
‘allies’
these single quotes are doing some heavy lifting!
That's crazy to me that America has changed so much that a nation they freed from Nazi control cannot consider the USA an ally any more because of the fascist ideology the trump administration is showing to the world. This all happened in like 2 months time. This is just the beginning and I don't see things getting better at all.
It's so much worse for the US
France was our first ally. After the revolutionary war, France was the first to recognize us as a country.
They were the first NATO nation to join us in the global war on terror after we invoked Article 5.
Make all the "France surrendered" jokes you want but they have given more to us than we have given them, diplomatically speaking.
Trump is just giving every ally we have a huge middle finger that will take decades to overcome. All so that Trump can feel like a big man.
Make all the "France surrendered" jokes you want
It's so weird to me that France has been a military force that has oscillated between a force to be reckoned with and the most powerful land force in the world since the 17th century, but you lose one war to a blitzkrieg with an overconfident military leadership...
It's not just two months.
Second gulf war, France and Germany not joining in although our soldiers were dying in Afghanistan after the US declared Article 5. US government "that is old Europe, they don't matter". US people "we should bomb Germany back into the stone age". That's when my generation became anti-US.
The conservative propaganda machine has been replacing empathy with cold-hard individualism for going on 50-years. Everything is a wedge issue and if it shouldn't be, it'll be made one. We like to make comparisons to the rise of fascism in the 1930s, but the tools, methods, and reach of today's tech makes that time feel like it took root through fortune cookies in comparison.
I don't know how we can hope to deprogram some of these people.
I don’t consider it an ally of the American people, either.
I assumed we lost their support years ago. I thought we couldn't get more petty than "Freedom fries". I was way wrong.
It's okay France, most Americans feel the same way too
Lol I was gonna say, I live here and I don't really feel like they're my ally at all.
Only? Probably for the remaining 27% it never was...
What percent thought of us as an ally before November?
Pssst, France... I'm telling ya, it should be 100%.
250 year old friend thrown away for a 100 year old adversary.
I can’t blame them. I wouldn’t want to be an ally with the U.S. either.
Two yeas is a God damn long time to wait, Putin is knocking on the door of Ukraine and probably other Baltic countries.
And we like it or not EU is dependent on gas, be it Russian (direct or though 3 partirs) or US.
And sorry but you (US) fucked up bad this time.
PS: in 2 years maybe Greenland is US territory.
Time for take-backsies on the Louisiana Purchase. Also the Statue of Liberty.
The other 27% must not read the news, eh?
Even if you believe the US is an ally to whatever country you're from (outside of Russia, of course), he's proven to be untrustworthy and unreliable.
27% hoping the US is just going through a phase
That was an understandable reaction for 2016 to 2020. But not anymore.
The other 27% are fascists too.
I assume the 27% are mostly fans of Marine Le Pen and they quite like Donald Trump.
Nah. Some European fascists are anti-US too. Just not their main parties