I will judge, and I will not forget

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2016, I will judge you but I could forgive you.

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2020, I will judge you and will have a hard time forgiving you.

If I find out you voted for Trump in 2024, you're dead to me. Friend, family, doesn't matter.

I just feel like after a public rapist becomes president, twice, there's no hope for Americans. It really is hopeless by now.

child rapist, Kate was 12
- The DOJ had four years to prosecute him under Biden and they dragged their heels.
  The Southern District of New York had ample reason and opportunity to prosecute him as a mobbed to businessman in the '00s and '10s, but he was friends with the mayor so they didn't.
  The Clintons certainly knew about Epstein in the 90s and could have busted that whole thing up 30 years ago. But the donations were too sweet, so they didn't.
  Trump is a creature of consequences.
Think about it this way, if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.
It is accepted and now normalized. If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.
The problem for me is I grew up in a country that I thought was beyond that. I was apparently wrong.
- there would not be many left to govern
  Good. There is not that many positions to fill anyway.
  It's not normal that a criminal record that would make it almost impossible to find an entry-level grocery packer job is completely OK for a politician.
- If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.
  This is why I hate capitalism so much. Extreme power disparity is the heart of tyranny and the extreme disparities in wealth that capitalism creates only leads to extreme disparities in political power.
  I fear that the US went past a breaking point and that the US will fully be an oligarchy after Trump is done
- I refuse to think about it that way lol. Quantity does not equal acceptance for me. We have to hold our countries' representatives to a higher standard than being outright criminals, guilty of many, serious offenses. If there are only a handful of politicians left after such a sift, then so be it.
  Thank God I'm not in the USA. But it's not like this doesn't fuck over the rest of the world too.
- There would absolutely be men who would qualify, as well as a lot of women. Why do you think everyone is sexually assaulting everyone else? Let's not allow violent criminals (which rape is both violent and a crime, it is torture via sexual acts) to be in office. At a minimum.
- The problem with disqualifying anyone based on any crimes is that it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.
  Just in case to clarify, I'm not defending child rapists who most surely did commit the crime in question, just saying it's a dangerous concept.
- if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.
  I've heard arguments to the effect that politicians who are too clean simply don't succeed, because people don't want to give you big campaign checks unless they have Compromat on you.
  So you get invited to the Eyes Wide Shut party, your rich friends catalog your debauchery, and this is what keeps you loyal.
- It's time for Josh Duggar to run for office
You should already be hopeless considering the current administration is aiding genocide.
- Still at it... She lost, dude. Go away.
  Yes, we were already hopeless, but we recognized that there was one option (out of the four: Trump, Harris, third party, or abstention) that provided a possible chance of ending the genocide, while the other three were a guarantee of not only the complete elimination of the Palestinian people, but the expansion into a much larger conflict across the Middle East and possibly the world.
  I hope that moral superiority makes you feel better when you see the what the difference between the Democrats and Republicans in Gaza (and beyond) will be. Assuming you actually give a shit.
- They should, yes. (I'm not American.)
Perhaps they'll fragment after he dies? A lot of dictatorships don't survive the death of the supreme leader

they had every right to be frustrated with how things are, but this will not fix anything and they will find out very quickly. its a shame.

The problem with simply being "frustrated" about current material conditions is that frustration is unproductive. You have to channel it into something. If that "something" is fucking fascism, you're an evil person without morals. So while I understand how it happens I cannot absolve people of the crime of voting for an open fascist.
- The problem with simply being "frustrated" about current material conditions is that frustration is unproductive.
  In this case it is not just unproductive, it's destructive. American voters, especially those who voted for Biden last time chose to stay at home.
  Biden administration was stumbling so the voters gave the keys to someone who's going to cut off both legs.
they will find out very quickly
If they were going to realize it, they would've realized it after the first Trump term (and 2020 especially). They'll continue to eat up lies that blame whatever marginalized group they're hating that day.
The shame is that they won't care. These people will just find another scapegoat and punt the ball down the line.

This tweet assumes people care about OPs opinion, or histories opinion. It's a toothless threat trying to invoke some Boogeyman of future retribution. Anyone who voted for Trump is going to be doing the Jennifer Lawrence "ok" reaction to this.

I've family that voted for Trump. Had plans on spending Thanksgiving there. Told them I'm not coming, and told them why. Explained that I'll be happy to apologize if the next four years goes well. Otherwise, I'm holding them accountable. I love them, but I will not associate with them.
I'm done with the "they're family, you have to accept them." Bullshit.
And should things turn around and the overwhelming consensus somehow turns against Trump (seems highly unlikely currently), people will just lie about having supported him.
- And all the fucking clowns that decided to stay home will still try to claim the moral high ground by claiming they supported neither.

Less people voted Trump in 2024 than in 2020. It is not that Trump won, it is that Biden/Harris lost hard.

Trump: 74 Mio. in 2020, 73 Mio. in 2024

Biden/Harris: 81 Mio. in 2020, 69 Mio. in 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

No. It is that Trump won with the support of over 70 million Americans. People are responsible for their choices. jfc
Everyone saying Trumps totals didn't change, yes, but their composition absolutely did change. But even that is besides the point. Even if they staged exactly the same, that's still really fucking problematic and its absurd to give these people cover for being shitasses.
- Trump didnt gain or loose many voters.
  Biden/Harris lost a lot of voters.
  So really the change between 2020 and 2024 is not a popularity increase for Trump, but a huge popularity loss for Biden/Harris.
  Now the question is, how did Biden/Harris manage to be so unpopular, that 12 million people decided to rather risk Trump winning, than vote for them again?
- Yeah, Dems should have been able to put a wet turd on the ticket and beat Trump. The people who voted for Trump are the actual problem.
- It's the same group voting trump, nothing changed there, but what did change I wonder....

I'd really like to have 100 randomly chosen Trump voters in a room and interview them to find out how knowledgeable they are about Trump, about his policies, about his first term, about the criminal cases, etc.

My guess is that at least 90% of them are brainwashed. I'm sure there are some that are completely aware of his record and are either single issue voters who are voting only on abortion. Some may be multi-millionaires who are voting just for lower taxes and don't care about anything else. But, anybody who voted for him because of inflation / the economy has no idea what they're talking about. Inflation was a worldwide problem and Trump's policies made / will make it worse. Anybody who voted for him because he's going to "fix immigration" has no idea what they're doing because his policies are incoherent and will never work. Anybody who voted for him because of Gaza is an absolute moron because he's just going to encourage the genocide.

I see these videos on tiktok. You would think it was fun but it's kinda like talking to a brick. There is no logic.
- Trump and his fascists deserve most of the blame, but I fear that liberals won't learn from this. Realpolitik is bullshit. When you promise to help people but then sell us out to lobbyists and the donor class decade after decade after decade, then people lose all faith in institutions. Facts don't matter because those facts were used to gaslight time and time again.
- What you see on TikTok are the most entertaining videos. I have no idea if they have to cut out 2% of the videos because they're not entertaining, or 50% or 98%.
You're just pitching a story the NYT and the WaPo run regularly. "I heard it on a podcast, I heard it on FOX News, I heard it at church". That's the response you get.
Don't trust liberals to give you the news. Only trust conservatives. Viola! Now you'll have a strong Republican dogma.
- Viola?

I judge you for your literal inability to detect hostility and scams.

We have SO MUCH EVIDENCE that Trump is a Russian asset who Russia has Kompromat on (see American Kompromat by Unger). We are at war with Russia and previously were at war with them for decades. And we don't think Putin wants revenge? Look at what happened to Navalny.

Everything Trump wants is deemed harmful by experts. Almost as if he's a foreign fucking asset harming the US as much as possible in a proxy war. He has a history of violence, abuse, and grifting. How can people be so naive? Literal wolf in wolf's clothing with neon signs saying "I'm a wolf and I will eat you."

Everything Trump wants is deemed harmful by experts.
See that's the problem. "Experts" is a bad word to people like this because it makes them feel stupid in and inferior.
That is their problem, of course, but they have made it all our problem.
An unusual counterpoint. The 'krompomat' the Russians wasn't really proven, and at this stage I think if they threaten him with releasing whatever Trump can just go 'LOL like I give a fuck. You seen the shit I did to their face? They still voted for me!'
- Unger's book is extensive and quite established. He is a journalist.
  And all narcissists care about is their ego. He gives so many fucks.

Many of those people could have been swayed to vote democrat if the democrats fucking addressed the actual fucking issues and actually gave them a damn narrative to go by. Saying everything is fine when nothing is fine and the Republicans are constantly screwing them over (while also 100% deflecting ALL blame elsewhere) is delusional at best.

Also fuck AIPAC.

I've done a lot of posts critical of the posture and actions of the Democrat Party and their whole "If you don't vote you're voting Trump" propaganda (which are right there in my post history with lots of for and against votes), but as I see it the point being made by this tweet is different.
I don't read this tweet as being about people who didn't vote at all because the present day Democrat party, Democrat Candidate and Democrat President's actions didn't appeal to them (which is what seems to be responsible for the Democrat loss), I think it's about people who actually explicitly voted Trump (so, none of that "implictly voting Trump if you don't vote" bollocks but actually putting their vote on Trump)
And I absolutelly agree with this tweet: that man is a complete total worm - in everything from what he's done to what he says and even his body language - and on top of that was offering scapegoating and hate as policies.
I can get it that some people couldn't bring themselves to vote for the Genocidal ethno-Fascist supporting, pro-Oligarchy hard-right Neoliberal, slimy snakesoil salesman liar Democrats, but anybody actually voting Trump is not simply distrusting of or dissapointed with the modern day Democrat Party, they're active supporters of an even broader and deeper kind of nastiness.
- While reading the beginning of this comment, I thought I had actually witnessed a "genocide joe" moron admit they were wrong... But nope.
  Never gonna happen, is it?

Cool, none of them care. They’re all gloating. You can judge people all you want, but they won’t do what you want if they have real power over you. You want to make them care? Get power.

In the course of history, what do we know of those who “judged” the people who won? We don’t know much, nor do we care. How about we focus on winning, then it will matter who we judge.

My plan is to simply avoid ALL contact with MAGAs unless I'm forced to work with them. The same way you would avoid a meth-addled pit bull.

I'm not going to let them think their point of view is "fine" by pretending to be civil to them. It's not.

bitch pls. history gonna get over written with trumps magic fucking marker.

It's gonna be wild to see how different the American history curriculum is inside vs outside of the US in a few years.
- There will be concepts of curriculum 🫲🍊🫱
Please. It is a half eaten crayon.

Remember the time we elected a child rapist twice, pretty cool huh

I could understand Trump in 2016. I could also understand Trump in 2020 but much less. In 2024? Nahh... America voted for him in 2024 and I will judge Americans for it.

the only president in over 100 years to lose the popular vote twice. he won it his third time. unbelievable. as a rapist he's probably used to insisting after rejection until he wears them down.
Could you really understand Trump in 2016? I'm not asking to be mean. Wasn't his character the same back then? I've tuned out of US politics since the DNC screwed over Bernie in 2016.
- He was a meanie and very unpresidential and Hillary was disliked (even by me) and people wanted something different. Now he has been shown he will literally go against any advisors and literally tried to overturn the 2020 election results. Literal anti-democratic traitor to america.
- Yeah, it made zero sense then and it has never made sense.
in 2016 Trump was the one who mocked soldiers, was on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy, vilifying immigrants, and being just as shitty as he is today. There was nothing understandable about voting for him in 2016.

The religious fanatic psychopaths behind the scenes of MAGA, if successful in their goals, will ensure there is no history.

Dark times is an understatement.

I propose a total halt to any sexual activity with any Trump supporter. This will go on for the 4 years that asshole is in power and until a reasonable president that is not a rapist racist asshole is elected. Sure that guy could be republican but I highly recommend elsewhere.

I don't get how anyone could ever be attracted to a trump supporter anyway. It's a massive massive turn off for me
There should be no statute of limitations.
This comment is not going to age well. Not because of your choice of partner. But you will see that next year, the two term rule will be removed
- 4B needs to become more popular in the US with ovulating people.
  It won't guarantee safety from forced situations, but with the incoming total bans on abortion and contraceptives they're facing over there, flat out refusing to have sex, relationships, and marriages with men, is going to be the best way to stay safe and in control of their bodies and finances.

Well said.

Just something that's worth pointing out is that trumps voter base didn't change much. Counting is still happening, but so far it's trump -1 mil and Harris -13 million from last election.

So it's not so much that republicans voted badly it's that democrats lost a good chunk of votes (16%) didn't bother to vote this time.

And while I completely disagree with trumps side, it's insane, but at least I am happy that people voted. Voter apathy is far more dangerous to me. It's like saying to politicians, "I don't care that the nazi party is coming to power".

To me that's the biggest issue this election and honestly I don't understand why so few people cared. It's actually same story over here (UK), where we had fewer people voting this election than previous one.

Voters in every western country have no idea what policies are being voted on. They vote with their feelings.
There are a lot of enthusiastic people who want to be on team man, team money, team military. The first thing those people learned after their names was that they were BOYS and they would be sorted into the BOYS section, play on BOYS team. Voting Conservative is a natural extension of what they've been doing their whole lives.
It's harder motivating people to get out for team women, team tolerance, team responsibility. It requires a leader with charisma who we fall in love with.
I'm being absolutely serious when I say the Democratic Party should have nominated George Clooney — a famous celebrity figurehead would guarantee they win every presidential election.

Additionally, if you did not vote for Harris I will judge you.

This is the third fucking time Democrats have run with an establishment candidate.
I voted Harris but I knew she was a shit candidate and not who we needed to go against Trump. She couldn't even primary ffs.
The DNC is squarely to blame, every time people blame the voters and nothing fucking changes. You can't keep putting up generic neocon establishment hand-picked candidates and expect turnout.
- every time people blame the voters and nothing fucking change
  I blame all the voters that were fine with voting for Trump first, because they looked at that shit stain and thought he would be acceptable as the leader of the country. The people that voted for him are the problem.
  Harris still did a terrible job, sure. But a literal pile of dogshit should have been a preferable option to Trump.
Genocide is a redline for me, though I understand why to many Harris voters the mass slaughter of people halfway across the world is a non-issue.
Edit: “If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump’s extremism and vote for him.” -- Historian Robin D.G. Kelley
- Of course it's a fucking issue! Do you think it will be better now that Netanyahu got the person be wanted in the white house?! My god how short sighted are you!
- Well thank God you stopped that regular genocide from happening from a first term president who we can leverage public support against if she wanted a second term.... And instead transformed it into a much faster and crueler genocide by a second term fascist who openly said we will never vote again and who wants to deport 25million Latinos out of this country (also a genocide fyi).
  You guys really helped out those people in Gaza, sure thing. Look at how much you achieved. Next you'll vote for mass gas chambers instead of individual lethal injection because you're against the death penalty.
- Your stance strikes me as performative. As everyone's lives are getting harder, including the people you claim to be prioritizing, that's okay because at least your hands are clean. That's the most important thing to you, that everyone knows you personally are pure.
  The majority of the blame lays with the DNC, the GOP, and those that voted for Trump. But you will also share a portion of the blame, even if you deny and refuse to take responsibility for it, we all lay it on your shoulders anyways.
- Why on earth do you think Trump is going to result in the slaughter of fewer of those people?

Unfortunately I don't think most of these people care about being judged, especially not by some future people who they'll never meet.

As long as they see benefits in the short term, they're happy, and if the benefits don't materialize or go away too quickly, then it's The Other Side's fault somehow.

Trump voters won't care about any of that shit until it impacts them personally. My family is moving from Indiana to Maryland because of this election which is really going to obliterate grandparents' time around our kids. Sucks for them we refuse to stay in a state that would actively destroy our kids' education and wellbeing. They can shell out whatever massively inflated airfare it'll cost them to come visit us in a place we can actually feel safe.

Maryland is wonderful... you'll love it. I'm working on getting out of the South and back up north to the mid Atlantic
Wait until you're the grandparent and see how it's different then, and how would you'd think then
- Maybe the grandparents shouldn't vote to directly harm their own grandchildren, and actively destroy their futures. Just a thought.
- Sounds like gramma and grampa voted Trump, so maybe next time they'll make better choices. It's too late, of course, but that's the bed they made.
- Yes the warped perscrptive informed from 50 years ago, when you had no choice but to trust the TV and newspapers, not like the world has changed since then.

I certainly do judge any Trump voter as being either terribly naive or a truly bad person. However, broadcasting that message is going to change nothing and only serves as copium for the anti-Trump crowd.

What is going to sway people who have voted for Trump in the past and are not completely lost to the cult of personality is being a champion for radical change that benefits the middle class. The Harris platform evidently did not go far enough to convince enough voters they would see any meaningful change. Nor did the Clinton or Biden platforms, Biden was only lucky enough that his policies were effectively irrelevant in contest with Trump's disastrous mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic response.

We can't hope for another deadly crisis to get us out of this one.

If champion for radical change that benefits the middle class was that important Trump would not have won.
- I would argue that he most definitely is a champion for radical change and that's why he won. "Drain the swamp", "Dictator on day one", " He says it like it is" are all things that deviate dramatically from the status quo of political etiquette. Trump is willing to break political norms to get what he wants and evidently voters think his interests align with their own.
  Obviously, this isn't the kind of radical change you or I are hoping for but it certainly is radical. Meanwhile, the Dems are playing it safe in an attempt to appeal broadly and not upset too many people. And we've seen for the last decade that gets us at best legislation which has been gutted to the point where it does effectively nothing for the majority of Americans.

You know what they call someone who votes for a fascist? A fascist.

All aboard, everyone! Set sail on the S.S. Righteous Indignation....

America is in a tight spot right now. Claiming moral highground does nothing to help the situation.

What about the lack of turnout for KH? Am I reading the results wrong ? Was there not massive amounts on non voters? As much as I hate republicans the fence setters an uninformed have fucked us all outside the US

John Oliver's segment on Palestinians really cemented it for me: if your family was killed by a missile sold to them by Biden, it's really difficult to support his successor.
Sure you may not want the orange turd either.
But imagine the heartache of voting for the person related to the one who is responsible for the death of your family.
I know I can't. And a part of me feels for them.
What upset me the most is that Harris used Hilary's election plan verbatim. No one stopped to tell Harris that Clinton lost.
Sanders warned her that if she wants a good turn out, she needs to have a plan for the working class.
Instead she wasted weeks trying to get Republican endorsements instead of trying to shore up her base.
- What upset me the most is that Harris used Hilary's election plan verbatim.
  She absolutely did not. Hillary leaned into the gender card hardcore. She had her supporters wearing t-shirts saying “I’m with her” with an arrow sign. She said “I’m not saying you should vote for me because I’m a woman, you should vote for me because of my qualifications. But one of my qualifications is…I’M A WOMAN!!!”
  Kamala didn’t lean into any of this demographics, gender war trash. She (wisely) followed Barack Obama’s playbook of leaving the identify politics crap at the door. She lost for other reasons. Hillary alienated voters by leaning too hard into identity politics. Kamala ran a much better campaign than Hillary. They are not the same. Why Kamala lost will be debated for some time at least, but it will not be concluded reasonably that she lost for the same reasons Hillary lost in 2016. I know people want to conclude that women just can’t get elected, but we haven’t yet had a female candidate that ran a great campaign. As someone who wants our first female president, I have to reluctantly admit that we’ve been underserved by our female politicians thus far. I have high hopes for AOC in the future, but we’ll have to wait and see how that plays out. I don’t actually think Kamala did anything wrong in her campaign; I just think she was working against the legacy set by her predecessor, and it was too much. That, and too many American voters are stupid, ignorant, misguided voters. And, probably, some Pro-Palestinian voters had their heads up their asses.
- I chose to vote for Harris despite this because Trump would be no better on this, so effectively the issue wasn't up for vote and I could only vote on the other issues that were different between them. But very bluntly, I don't blame Arabs and Muslims for not voting for Harris. They have one of the strongest grievances one could possibly have (i.e. second only to attacks directly on them personally, in the U.S.), and the dismissiveness from Biden (and Harris) was downright insulting.
  A part of me does feel like Biden chose Israel over Americans. I don't know if changing course on this would have changed the election, and I guess it's impossible to truly know.

Yes yes blame voters. Keep doing that. Great strategy. Do not blame the DNC.

We shouldn't blame Trump voters for the results of their vote? Why not?
Voters (and people who chose not to vote) are to blame. Fuck off.
- So you are to blame for a third party not winning?
  See how this does not make any sense
They don't realize that by being angry at their fellow man they them away.
It's day four of Trump being in office and I've already been ghosted by dozens of people for the crime of not voting. Because, you know, immigrants who can't vote are expected to vote too.
- Trump isn’t in office until he’s sworn in mid January.
  Also simultaneously LOL and I’m really sorry. Those people are not only stupid but not your friends.
Por que no los dos?

I was thinking about this today, but I never thought I'd be living through, what I think of, as a major world event. This isn't a world War (in name), but the history books WILL likely bring up this period on the States. In what manner they're mentioned, good, bad, or indifferent, is yet to be seen. I imagine grandkids being bewildered when I tell them I lived through this... hopefully.

This isn’t a world War (in name)
Give it time.
I never thought I’d be living through, what I think of, as a major world event.
I'm an older X-er. I've had it up to here with major world events. Boring times. I want to live in BORING TIMES.
but the history books WILL likely bring up this period on the States. In what manner they’re mentioned, good, bad, or indifferent, is yet to be seen.
I feel very sure we can predict in what manner they will be mentioned. The question is how bad will it be.

If you voted for Harris I blame you for overlooking a fucking genocide.

After all, trump supporters are “overlooking fascism” to punish the biden admin for the gaslighting over inflation.

Is Trump planning on helping Palestinians? It always seemed a strange argument to me to use against the Democrats since I'm pretty sure the right would have done the exact same in regards to Israel. Please prove me wrong, I'd love to see a silver lining to this situation.
- Are biden/Harris planning on helping the Palestinians when they continue to fund and arm israel in the genocide?
  They’re the same.
- Trump probably has more allegiance to Putin than he does to Netanyahu's money, which might mean forcing it to compromise on a compromise. But frankly, I've always seen US support of Israel as a means to drive out Russian influence in Israel, whose cooperation has increased the last few decades before becoming clouded with the latest conflict. The conflict with Iran and its proxies might stop, but Palestinians are still getting genocided, if anything with more of a focus.
- There fucking isn't one, and there might never be again.
This level of ignorance and spite is obscene and absolutely terrifying. This person is basically willing to let the whole world burn in the name of preventing a genocide that obviously won't be prevented but made even worse when the world starts burning. Out of spite.
Absolutely terrifying.
- Terrifying is voting for an anti-democratic party to “protect democracy”. Bunch of fucking sheep.
  What has the biden admin done for the past four years to “protect democracy” or “prevent fascism”?
  Absolutely fucking nothing. Keep voting every four years and then going back to brunch, liberal.
Palestine and Ukraine is absolutely fucked under Trump, and it's your fucking fault for helping hand him the presidency. Think before you spew such ignorant bullshit next time.
- Waaaah waaaah waaaah keep fucking crying. The DNC royally fucked up because they’re too busy circle jerking each other and sniffing their own farts than run an actual primary to protect the so called democracy they claim to care about but do nothing to protect.

I'm not American, but I would have voted for him the first time around.

I was bored. Bored with life. Let's fuck shit up by putting some crazy in office. Even better that I don't live there so I get to grab the popcorn and watch the crazy.

But by the end of it, I was sooo done. I just wanted it to calm down and go back to normal.

There is no way I would have voted for him this time. And frankly I am disappointed in anyone who did.

Because you were doing it for fun, they were doing it because their lives are getting worse and wanted any change. Shows how shit the US experience is that this was preferable to continuing on.
- Their lives were getting worse because of Republican policies that couldn't be fixed because of Republican obstruction to reform.
  They are morons for voting for the cause of their problems just because the source of the problem wasn't creating new ones.

Thanksgiving will be the real test if people really mean it.

How so? My dad voted for Trump's fascism, but my mom did not. I am not going to avoid my mom just to punish my dad.
- Host Thanksgiving and only invite your mom.
- Yes

If the shoe fits...

Meaning that if they are ever held accountable, they will say they never voted for Trump and burn anything that could ever indicate so.

I just judge them for being fucking idiots.

This condescending attitude is almost ok when it's done by voters, the problem is tgat the dem party constantly acts insufferably towards potential voters.
It is a party's duty to appeal to the people, not the other way around. The dems proved once again that acting like "the least worst option" doesn't work, especially in a disinformation economy like the US and frankly the rest of the world. It's not the 2000's anymore, respectability politics are hated by most voters.
- Anyone that brought up your points earlier this year was dog-piled and being called a tankie or Russian shill. God forbid a powerless user on this website brought up an ounce of criticism towards the party or else it was as if every loyalist was experiencing their own personal 9/11
- I said this repeatedly. I told them I was voting for Kamala and I wanted her to win, which is why I was requesting they change their speech.

“If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump ’s extremism and vote for him.” -- Historian Robin D.G. Kelley

Okay, you're better than them. Happy?

They weren't thinking about everything you're thinking about. They're just trying to buy eggs.

The problem is that they don't know or care that eggs are expensive because of bird flu. They just want to justify their vote outside of the prejudices they don't want to say out loud.
- Sorry I mentioned eggs. I Just meant inflation.
  You're just plain wrong to say everyone who voted for Trump did so out of racism, misogyny, or transphobia.
  I voted for Kamala, but I'm not in favor of everything she stands for. I didn't want Trump. Does it mean I hate Palestinians that I voted for Kamala?
Maybe they should think a little harder next time. And by a little harder I mean literally at all

Having such a an ego that they think trumpians care about their or anyone's judgement or opinion.

Not anymore it isnt

Surely hating everyone in America isn’t the answer

It’s a good fucking start.

I'm judging the Trump voters, but I'm judging the Harris voters, too. You would think that support of genocide would be a deal-breaker for Democrats, but apparently not.

Right, because there was a real solution we just never noticed!
- Yes, exactly.
We just saw what splitting the dems does.
- Yup. Morons who didn't vote for Harris "because genocide" now get to watch Trump cut Bibi a blank cheque. Genocide will accelerate. Good job, morons.
- Harris split the dems so she could take AIPAC cash, and here we all are. Give credit where its due.
Do you really think Trump cares about Gaza let alone anyone?
Israel buys a couple hundred million of dtj stock and they can do whatever they want, that's how it works now.
- Oh, I wasn't defending Trump. He's terrible, too.

Legit. And the same goes for anyone who voted kamalacaust.

Regrettably most of these people saw an avenue they thought would benefit them economically.

They didn't vote with their brains, they voted with their wallet and based on what they've heard.

The fact that anyone not in the 1% keeps falling for Republican economic policy shows how fucking stupid the US population is.
- That's the fault of the democratic party. They know the level of education the population holds.
  Furthermore, I think this is an ideological issue. Liberalism isn't working anymore.

Then you should be fair and judge harris in a similar way. For supporting and being a part of genocide.

If you didn't vote Harris because of genocide then you're a fucking moron. Trump is just going to cut Bibi a blank cheque to pave Palestine with bodies and then move on to Iran. Good job choosing the greater of two evils!
But go ahead and pat yourself on the back for staying home.
There'll be a genocide under Trump too
- And it will be far far far worse.
  All of these "it's genocide, it cannot get worse" fools are in for a rude awakening. Assuming they actually give a shit.
I absolutely would have judged her in a similar way had she won. But right now, she's the Vice President, and has zero say (unless its to break a tie in the Senate) on this policy whatsoever.
So why would I judge her for "supporting and being part of a genocide"? See how this works? You elect her first, then you pressure her to do the thing that you know for certain the other guy will never do.

People don't care about any of those things if they can't feed their families.