Back on Standard Time

one day we will just stick with daylight time. its kind of a slap in the face to lose your only hour of sunlight after work!

Now if only all people, managers, businesses, unions, realized they could set what time they worked to whatever the hell they wanted within reason, moved to somewhere closer to the equator, got up earlier to use the morning instead of the night, did stuff at night...
Either way, we need to do away with the switching lol.
- Eh......I think we need to do away with the concept of money, and work, and managers owning the majority of our time.
  You think a cat gives a fuck what time Starbucks closes??? Hell no! They just sleep on your bed, or on the floor, or on a table, or on the stairs, or anywhere they want, anytime they want. And they make SURE you are always looking at their butthole.
  You think you can just go into starbucks, and present your butthole, to all who look at you, while also sleeping on their counter? I mean, you're TOTALLY in the way, and making everyones lives more inconvienent......but fuck 'em, ya know?
  You can't do ANY of that! Because for some reason, we've all decided that little green paper controls our lives.
  Or in the case of Canada, multicolored monopoly money.
One day we will just stick with standard time.
(Or we’ll try permanent DST and experience all of the negative effects and then either go back to cycling or realize we should’ve done permanent standard.)
- Or we'll realize that the specific numbers are arbitrary and use UTC everywhere.
- The negative effects are either due to the act of changing the clocks forward implemented in such a way as to deprive everyone everywhere an hour of sleep, or something something natural light in the morning. Which is not a benefit of "standard" or "daylight savings" time, it's a complete and utter failure of "work starts at 6AM and ends at 10PM."
  The solution: Lynch all the rich people. If there's no one to be forced to build wealth for, we won't have to work such long hours and we can get up and have free time in daylight.
I say this every year: FUUUUUUUUCK THAT.
With permanent DST the latest sunrise in Detroit would be 0900. That's fucking absurd. All across the US kids would be waiting for the school bus in the dark, walking to those bus stops in the dark. My personal beef with it is that I, and many of the people that make the world go 'round, start at 0600. We need to see ASAP for safety, if nothing else.
The US tried it in the early '70s, didn't even finish the two year trial period:
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/19/1087280464/the-u-s-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-1970s-then-quickly-rejected-
Fuck DST. If people really want it to stay light until 2100 in the summer then so be it but don't make a lot of the working class labor half their day in the dark.
- Kids all across the US are waiting at the bus in the dark anyway.
  Not everyone gets to get on a bus after sunrise.
- You can't make the days longer and I still think the sun in the afternoon/evening is more useful.
  It's true moving the clocks around doesn't do anything. But I know my kids wanted more hours of daylight after school not before school.
  Though I also think school ought to start closer to 9:00.
- Do you like the time change, or do you want to stick to standard time?
- So what you are saying is that kids can walk to school in the dark at 7am anyway?
- Detroit is an interesting one.
  If Detroit kept DST permanent, the sun would basically set after 6pm every day.
  However. Like you said, no one wants to wait until the 9am for the sun to rise.
  Abolishing DST could be beneficial for Detroit. Not as many days where the sun sets after 6. But more days where it rises before 7.
  The current system is bad for Detroit. It should either abolish it or keep it permanent.
  Detroit night owls would want to keep it, early birds would want to abolish it.
  Detroit is like El Paso TX. Where the current system is clearly bad.
  Maine is the opposite. The current system is "best" and the birds and owls fight.
  I live in Charlotte NC. I've always been for DST. Permanent DST means basically 365 days where the sun sets after 6pm. While getting basically the same number of days where the sun rises before 7am. I'm not an early riser, so as long as it's up by 8/9am most of the time it's fine with me.
  Arizona has it right. What I want in Charlotte shouldn't matter to what you want in Detroit.
  You hate DST, I like it. You should be able to get rid of it, I should be able to keep it.
  Different places are affected by it much more or less. People are owls or birds. You can't make everybody happy with one option.
  Maine is so far away from everything else it could be in it's own time zone. That's why it is a strange case.
  Never really thought about Detroit being almost directly north of Charlotte.
  Red lines are current time zones. Red circle is El Paso. Blue lines are if you equally cut US into 4 time zones.
  Detroit is to the right of the red line. It has 3 boxes to reach the beginning of the time zone which is just to the right of Maine. (Sorry didn't draw it)
  El Paso being in the circle makes it 3 boxes to reach the beginning of time zone just like Detroit and why it is in the similar situation with DST.
  The right two time zones are large time zones. The left two are only 2 boxes wide.
  Maine should be in a separate time zone than Detroit
  Detroit should probably move to CST. Then, argue about daylight savings time in the summer to be EST (Not EDT)
  Sounds like something you'd like, maybe?
Permanent daylight time gives us all of the downsides and exactly one benefit. I'm sorry you live that far North/South but that's just how the seasons and tilt of the earth work. We shouldn't be doing split time at all and we shouldn't endeavor to be an hour off the rest of the world just so commuters can drive home with the sun in their eyes.
- It's not just north or south
Where I live, even our winter time isn't close to be aligned with sun time (GMT+1 though we're basically on the Greenwich meridian). Summer time is off by two hours.
Problem is, our school/work/activity schedules have been made to adapt to that, so having days centered around actual sun midday would sound like crazy talk to people. It's just because of how we already compensated for it.
- So many people don't understand that the same outcome of an 'extra hour' after work could be had by shorter work hours or not having the majority of the typical office workday after noon.
  9-5 was a 3|5 split. 8-5 is a 4|5 split. Treating 5 pm as the only rime to end the office workday is the fucking problem, not the sun. Changing clocks twice a year is a problem.
Ah yes, that darn hour of sunlight you lose.
Cries in 3hrs of sunlight
- I honestly think the 24 hour daylight weeks would be worse.
Start working hours earlier.
- Wow, great suggestion. I assume you'll be contacting the people at my company in charge of defining when I must be at work?

Good. I don't need light in the evening, I need it in the morning so I can wake up feeling rested. End DST; make standard time permanent.

Fuck that, use coffee like everyone else. Sun after work is literally the only time I see sun in the winter.
No make summertime permanent so you have one hour more in the evening.. It's going to be dark in the morning no matter what.
- Get up one hour earlier, and voila, one extra hour of daylight. No need to impose the clock change to everybody.
- Summertime is terrible, especially in summer. You have one less usable hour in the evening.
  During the summer you cannot really go outside until the sun goes down. It’s simply too hot in direct sunlight. Summer evenings are nice, after the sun goes down and the world starts to cool down a little. By moving the clock forwards we have an hour less of usable outdoor-time. It also means you have less time for things to cool down before going to sleep.
  DST makes it so you have to go bed too early, being unable to enjoy the evening, and when you go to bed it’s too hot to sleep, but you have to because you have to get up at a ridiculous time the next morning.
  Instead of DST we should introduce MST (Moonlight Saving TIme) and move the clock an hour backwards in summer. Then we can actually enjoy our summer evenings and go to bed once things have cooled down a little more. The earlier sunrise doesn’t matter since there is such a thing as blackout curtains.
Side benefit: mid-day is once again at 12:00, instead of being at 13:00 DST. Not an issue for some, but it's annoying for me to know that the sun's local apex is an hour later than it should be.
- Local noon is only solar noon in a thin strip for any given time zone, if it ever is.
There is this CBC article, about a guy cutting DST out of his life.

I wish they would do this a week ago, so the kids could experience halloween how it's supposed to be, IN THE FUCKING DARK

In France we did switch last week. Almost nobody cares about going out for trick or treat, though.
- sounds like you need more mcburgers to fix that problem
Blame Dubya:
https://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/daylight_saving_time_extended.shtml
- Blame congress too, since they passed the bill.
- I was a kid the first year after that went into effect, my computer automatically changed for the time change 2 weeks too early, so I had to have my parents fix it for me...twice. that was my first gripe with Dubya. Then his VP caused my luggage to get lost by seizing up all plane movement at Minneapolis St Paul because Dick Cheney had to take off but then stopped on the tarmac for 20 minutes for some reason while the whole airport was at a standstill for him, making every flight 30+ minutes late. So yeah I've got some personal gripes with Dubya's administration
- pretty sure the changing the clock itself hits more kids than the daylight saves but I haven't looked at the study in at least a decade. I'm a proponent of picking one a staying there, I don't care which.

Before the introduction of daylight savings, people and companies were perfectly capable of adjusting the productive hours according to the sun - if they needed to.

Farmers who are usually (wrongly) used as an example were against the clock changes, because it really isn't relevant to them and only creates problems for their schedules with live stock.

The actual reason for the daylight saving was saving energy and coal. This is not an issue anymore, because the energy used for lighting is negligible today.

The only sane thing to do is to stop changing the clocks and then focus on making working schedules more flexible.

Sun: Ahh, I'm ready to go to bed, it's been a long day.

Daylight Savings Time: Stay up another hour because we base our schedules around businesses. Fuck your sleep cycle!

I have a north-facing apartment, and the super-early sunset makes me sad.

I live in a basement and it was dark enough I had to turn the lights on a 4:30 yesterday. That was depressing.

I switched my work schedule one hour earlier starting tomorrow. I'm not sure it's going to work because I have family.

I'm staying up too late now. F standard time.

Ive been struggling getting good sleep bc i had to wake up in the dark the last month, finally felt ok yesterday with the time switch. DST is a nightmare of sleep deprivation.
- I absolutely cannot tolerate leaving work in the dark, it absolutely enrages me. I love being first in the office in the quiet dark alone.
  Whatever any state/county settles on, I'll just set my work/sleep schedule to suit myself

I work second shift... you're all crazy.

where do you live where the sun goes down at 4? its always ~6:45-7 at the earliest where I live iirc

Sunset is at 4:47PM in Seattle, Washington tonight.
https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Seattle+WA
- Yeah and y'all aren't even that far north. Ours is far closer to 4:15 PM than 4:30 PM at this point and in December it gets to something absurd like 4:23 PM. Of course, people further North will laugh at this and say "sunset was 2 months ago" at that point.
- woah, that's crazy. Thanks for the info
- 16:14 in Tampere, Finland tonight.
This is a good picture showing how different places experience different sunrise/sunset times.
Most just think that it has to do with being north or south but it also has to do with left or right depending on the location in the certain time zone.
Somewhere north of south of the tropics.