Here it comes - Reddit admins taking over subs
Here it comes - Reddit admins taking over subs
lemmy.world IS NOT a general discussion area. find another community.
my bad....
-manitcor
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@manitcor Wtf!! What an asshole CEO
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So far Spez's legacy includes, in no particular order:
- Changing other peoples' comments
- Starting a war with the 3rd party app devs who made reddit the easily accessible platform it is (browsing reddit on the toilet wasn't nearly as common before the first apps came out, and all of the first ones were 3rd party)
- Being a moderator on the jailbait subreddit, a community for sharing sexually suggestive pictures of underage teenage girls
- Forcing new moderation teams on communities whose moderation he didn't agree with
- Straight up lying about the 3rd party apps and their developers every step of the way
Way to go, Steve Huffman! You had a community of volunteers build your platform for you and now you're taking it all away from them. I'm sure this won't backfire.
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I posted this previously elsewhere.
The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.
Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.
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spez is also a doomsday prepper who dreams about living as some sort of lord in a post-apocalyptic feudal society
“Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
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Wow I didn't know he ran r/jailbait. Gross.
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Is your comment threatening him? Why are you blackmailing him, man? How is he going to work together with you now that you've so aggressively threatened him?
Why is your comment so badly coded? I can't help you optimize your comment, Google didn't help me write mine.
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I posted this previously elsewhere.
The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.
Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.
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Changing other peoples’ comments
Wait the guy changed someone's comment?
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Yea this will kill Reddit. Maybe not right away but soon.
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Being a moderator on the jailbait subreddit, a community for sharing sexually suggestive pictures of underage teenage girls
This one is a lie, he was added as a moderator by another mod, at a time when anyone could do so. Lets please stop spreading this.
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He actually moderated jailbait? I always assumed he was the type of person to have an alt for it, but to actually use his real account? What a scumbag.
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WAIT. Spez was a mod on fucking r/jailbait???? WHAT????
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lmao, good fuckin luck replacing dedicated volunteers with one or two shitty ones obsessed with power
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lmfao no kidding. part of me is waiting to see the shitshow that happens to some subs without proper moderation. just the amount of bullshit thats gonna be submitted is gonna be intense. and the trolls, oh lord the trolls are gonna have a hayday with once properly moderated subs.
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Don't worry, the mods will be paid now. Just by the NRA, Walmart and Russia.
Reddit is about to be run entirely by shills who will hop into mod spots.
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I don't think it'll be that simple
There are sooooo many fuckin subs, and while I know there are small handfuls that oversee dozens and dozens, the niche ones that really help user retention will suffer.
Like, it's not the huge million+ subs that I'm missing, it's the smaller localized fandoms and obscure memory subs that I'm really missing.
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But quality will slip. You can't just substitute care, concern, and domain knowledge that built a community for some rando. The pillars of the communities are moving on and going elsewhere.
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They can't just re-open subreddits and expect it to go over smoothly. These subs will collapse without moderators.
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Sure they can. They'll outsource moderation to Bangladesh, pay mods like $0.20 a day, and double the number of ads shown.
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Considering they didn't pay any of the moderators as is, I don't think they would pay for them now.
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Lol .... All you have to do is give moderators permissions to a teenager with an axe to grind and they'll work for free for years
I hate Reddit because of all this stupidity ... I've jumped ship not looking back and I'm staying on Lemmy
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Tbh $0.20 a day won't get you very far even in Bangladesh nowadays. Moderation costs will be quite high in the end for them.
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yup 100%
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Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.
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It's an absolute non-starter. The amount of random... I'm a medium fish there and there's SO MUCH you have to know to mod a sub, plus you're constantly in PR mode with the users to keep everyone happy and enjoying your work. Communication skills. Bot wrangling and sometimes creation. Automod. Css. Rule modifications. Enforcement and reviewing existing threads for rule violations. PLUS you have to know the existing culture or you're gonna make everyone mad.
I kinda want to see it. Reddit would explode.
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Good summarization. And I am sure it WILL explode if they dont start paying serious mods serious money for something that was done FOR FREE by the community before. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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I was invited to become a mod on r/daystrominstitute a few years ago and within about a month realized that I didn’t have the time or emotional capital to invest in that job. It’s challenging, especially in a sub like that where there are pretty serious rules governing discussion and it burned me out really fast. The people who do it (well) have a passion for it; plucking some rando to be a head mod is going to kill a sub.
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the thing is -- none of that needs to exist! this is why reddit started to get so shitty, no one can keep it all straight; it's simply too much considering how meaningless all the stakes are. i as a user never asked for constant review of threads for rule violations nor gave a shit about css or anything.
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Everybody knows that it was bound to happen. Reddit is hopeless and the blackout on its own won't do good in the long run.
That's why I'm trying to kick this out:
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If you're EU you canAll those in EU can ask reddit for the entirety of your data as a GDPR request, much easier than downloading it yourself, especially since some apps have limits to how many posts they can fetch.-
Asked for mine last week and still hasn't arrived, but I've been an active user for 17 years so yeah, might be taking a while to get those tape backups from the basement or something :P
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You don’t have to be in the EU to make a GDPR request, right? If I understand correctly, they can’t actually check.
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I'm in the US, but thank you.
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I did this back when the Apollo shutting down post when out from Christian. It took a bit of googling to find out how to do this so thanks for putting it all together for others. I had 10 accounts spanning all my time on Reddit since the Digg days and did a fully scorched earth on it all, because you know, fuck u/spez.
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For someone who has a really small subreddit, isn't much of a computer person and mainly uses mobile, how would I go about importing my content here?
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I love how you advice to generate gibberish through zompist.com
You are translating all your content into a new conlang!
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I PDSed my acc yesterday but i should've edited with "We are having issues loading this comment. Please try again later" lmfao
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Data/Content/Information now is very important (indispensable). In the Age of Information (Actually to me, the Real Cultural Start of IT upon the advent of Artificial Intelligence AI), keepers (companies of holding) of databases (such as Reddit databases) have finally found the value of it for metabolic profitability (
extreme exploitation) with the help of AI, greatest ever analyses. It will be my best (after nothing happens in Reddit decision) that I will painfully LITERALLY delete all my Reddit posts, comments and even my info about myself (or why not archive on my storage for future migration and then delete on the platform itself) on the day before Reddit make undesirable changes (to not only mods+devs but also the real clients, Reddit users enjoying Reddit), so that they won't exploit information about me further for their sinister abuse soon probably.
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Deleted my account, removed Apollo, starting to feel at home on Lemmy. No way I’m going back.
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The experience has been a lot smoother than I expected.
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Agreed. Feels like reddit but 15 years ago, before the dark times, before the Empire - Loving it so far, and reminds me of how the internet used to be this huge frontier before Corporations, Shareholders, and Advertisers moved in and ruined everything.
These Communities are smaller and some of the more niche groups aren't here yet but that will change with time. Give it a year or two, and I'm sure those obscure, hilarious groups like Greendawn will migrate over, over.
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Super smooth. Just need the content levels to pick up a bit but that will improve over time as more people catch on
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I was talking about this with a friend - reddit doesn't have many unique features that folks want, and generally speaking the only thing reddit has of value is the community.
Hoping folks start migrating to alternatives
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It's all a bit janky, but I feel like a real pioneer. This is how the pioneers must have felt lol. It's a good feeling, making my way across uncharted lands, watching it all unfold and grow..
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Same
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This post seems somewhat disingenuous. One of the mods Cedarwolf posted his side of what happened 2 hours prior to this post appearing, and if we were to believe his side of the story the top mod who hasn't been active for a year just decided to join the blackout against other mods wishes.
Yes, it's two conflicting stories but he claims to have evidence that he's been inactive. Basically, people should look into this more than assume truth in the headline.
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Both /r/tumblr and /r/AdviceAnimals had shaky mod teams. Even though I completely disagree with the admins on everything else this made perfect sense. Plus out of the 8k subs that blacked out only 2 had admins intervene which makes me think it really was just mods fighting and the admins stepping in.
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def link and ill put it in the body, i just posted it as i ran across it this am
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I'm in a number of subs with an inactive top mod who can't be removed because they threaten to demod people from larger communities where they also hold high up inactive positions...
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Is it just me or is this going directly against what Reddit once aimed to be?
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Corporations and Shareholders ruin everything
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A lot of these people volunteered their spare time to manage communities for no pay. Wondering how far downhill a lot of these subs will go with Spez putting himself in charge of everything.
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they won't. Spez is learning how much of reddit's success has nothing to do with reddit itself. hopefully we have all learned from the messy and long experiment with letting corps control our gardens.
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He's not learning anything LMAO
Corporations NEVER learn
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It feels reassuring being here in Lemmy away of that shit show.
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I'm just waiting for substitutes of my old groups to start populating instances here. I'll be deleting my reddit account probably before the end of the month when RIF goes offline.
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Same, honestly it feels like a fresh start, but without all the bad shit of Reddit (I'm not even counting the recent API scam).
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This is why they need to link an alternative like Lemmy and encourage to share it around.
Reddit doesn't disallow mods from posting "Join us on Discord" and this will create a slow and steady move to a new platform.
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I've been posting about lemmy in r/modtools and a couple of the niche subreddits I follow that didn't shut down. I'll be sticking with lemmy no matter what happens over at reddit, the people in charge over there have shown utter contempt for the users and moderators.
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I was skeptical at first. Decided to give it a shot and, while obviously not perfect, I like it a lot so far.
I think my biggest issue before is actually a feature rather than a bug. I used to think, "federation is too confusing for the average person, it'll never take off".
But considering how hostile the average comment is on Reddit, keeping the "average" user away might be the best thing about Lemmy.
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Sadly, many people I have recommended it to have acted like it was the most difficult thing in the world to understand. The initial learning curve really wasn't that bad, IMO but it seems like a lot of people want to be spoon fed.
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It doesn't matter that it's not that bad, just that it's harder than staying on reddit.
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I've been considering recommending this to a few friends, but I'm worried about a response like this. I definitely recognize there's a learning curve, and I'm still picking up a lot just a few days in, but man it took me maybe 15 -20 minutes max to figure out enough to sign up to an instance, find some communities, and post (I think all those words are right...).
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Oof, not a good look. We'll have to watch more of the larger subs to see if this happens to them too.
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I just returned for a couple of minutes and it’s a fucking shitshow. I don’t know if it has become worse or if it just feels like that because Lemmy is much more friendly, but Reddit seems to be much more toxic right now.
It is also so obvious that people are trying to use this as some kind of coup. Users interact with the thematic, get explained what the blackout is about, just to comment complete bs about it one comment later. They are acting dumb to gain momentum.
I really hope this will end up in a worldpolitics situation.
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There seems to be a correlation between civility and willingness to put up with spez. If you're willing to put up with all the bs he's been spewing since this started, you're less civil. All the respectful people came here, or are finding other replacements. People who don't care stayed, and it shows.
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Makes a lot of sense. Its a fun y microcosm for this kind of conservative attitude that is permeating through society. "No, change is scary and we will not only be against it, but will also be actively hostile towards it."
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Fear the people that love peace and quiet, for they will do anything to get it.
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You hit the nail on the head! It’s going to be full of ick just like Twitter. Ah well.
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spez is right-wing, thus right-wingers tend to side with him. Hope he enjoys his site full of his low-effort shitposting buddies!
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oh its def toxic, there are certain types running rampant and some people get VERY grumpy when deprived of thier volunteer curated entertainment feeds.
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I had the same observations as well! Not sure if it's just my confirmation bias, but it does seem like reddit feels a lot more toxic right now. I feel like it really is compounded by how relatively welcoming lemmy has been for refugees recently, alongside it still being fresh. I feel like I can be more open here as well, and many others probably do so too.
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I noticed that too. Like a lot of people are upset that users would mess with a company. r/JoeRogan is much more toxic than usual like a flood gate opened
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Joe Rogan has always been toxic, its the alt right with a wig
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Straight up, all the good subs locked themselves and all of the reasonable people walked away.
Twitter just did the same thing. Spez said he wasn't gonna mimic twitter and then fully mimicked twitter.
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Yup. The good mods were what kept reddit from fully devolving into a cesspool. Now the trolls and shitposters who craved less moderation will get it. They can have it.
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Unfortunately, Reddit can just keep doing that as often as they want. Fortunately though, there are few people who will actually be able to do a good job moderating especially for FREE. They will burn through the good candidates and have to rely on unqualified people to do a mediocre job. This will ruin the content quality and eventually kill the sub. So long term we may still win, but short term we will likely see little change. The problem is always the level of involvement of the general public.
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i imagine a lot of subreddits will have to deal with a loooot of spam and bullshit posts about nothing in the near future. i can't imagine anyone worthwhile that isn't just powertripping actually wanting to mod a large sub anymore. whats the point? you arent getting paid anything, and its not even on your terms. like wtf. fuck reddit man.
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It's also timely that they are wanting to tank the website leading up to the US election. I know it's a long way away and I don't like conspiracy theories but Reddit was a hot bed for socially minded people to debate important issues ..... it was like the town square .... now they've paved over it, building a Starbucks/McDonald's outlet and telling people to go away and go talk somewhere else.
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It's a 2 day blackout for god's sake, and it's nearly at the end of it! Was it really necessary to do that?
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shows how desperate they really are, honestly feeling like we should push for more communities to commit to longer. even just to the end of the week may create capitulation. not that ill go back!
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Well here is me abandoning reddit after 10 years. At the end they can do whatever they want with reddit and i can choose in which platform waste my time.
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Same here after 11, they forget that the users create the value, they're only the middlemen.
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They know users create the value but in order to turn that value into a form that makes investors happy they have to squeeze the users. It's like a digital Macquarie Island and we're all penguins.
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Which is why I ran Power Delete Suite on my account on the way out. I created a lot of value and they apparently didn't appreciate that, so now it's all gone.
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just the way they wanted it.
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I know "seize the means..." has been made into a dirty phrase in the US, but yeah... take back our forum, people. this was never going to end well with a centralized, corporate entity like reddit. every mod knew this. time to build anew on our own land.
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Is this internet feudalism?
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We can only hope reddit dissappoints their moderators so much they'd rather moderate lemmy communities :)
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They should tread lightly. Reddit in no way has the ability to function (edit: at least on short notice) without volunteer mods. To some degree they can find scabs, but I honestly don't know how many and how good.
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It's destined to become like Twitter, overrun by far-right assholes and lacking quality content. The mods who kept the worst of them off the subs will be gone, and the people who produced the best content will leave as the dregs take over.
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That's entirely possible, although last I checked Twitter is only on it's way there.
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Scabs, dregs... its like I'm in Warhammer 40k. You guys play Darktide? If not: a question from non-native speaker: are scabs and dregs a, more or less, common expression/term in English? I'm just trying to escape the trap when you notice something, you start seeing it all around.
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Yeah, are they going to try to mod all the subs by themselves now? That's not going to work out really well. Either there will be no moderation and everything will be trash, or they'll have to hire people as moderators, which will cut into the profits they're trying to show. They're trying to bully people to behave how they want, and I hope it fails badly. But I'm still waiting for people to stop using twitter...
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or they’ll have to hire people as moderators, which will cut into the profits they’re trying to show.
How many, on what timeline? They could go to this model eventually if they wanted, but with little to no notice it's tough. (I also foresee niche subreddits becoming frustrating to use when the generic full-time moderators don't understand them, and who knows how NSFW subreddits would work)
I have hope it's different from Twitter, because there's a party with leverage that's fundamentally different from mindless scrollers. Not to mention I'm liking the alternative I've tried very much.
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I was reading a thread on here or Tildes yesterday and someone mentioned that what they think is happening is that the end goal is likely to have no actual mods an just have AI blanket moderators for the whole site removing the issue entirely. In all reality they're probably right, and Reddit has probably been working on AI Mods for sometime now, so they will only have to do this until they can roll out the ai software. Which will probably be sooner rather than later.
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I'll watch spez digg this grave. I'm not shocked, we have all seen it happen before.
This place feels real, and personally that's all that matters. Reddit has been plastic for a while now. I'm happy to watch the ceo handle it like such a stooge, it almost seems like he wants to tank the company before tencent eats it all up.
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Here is some additional context from an actual Mod of AdviceAnimals:
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I've inquired if they're the one that phoned the Admins, but no reply yet. Having a top mod removed due to them unilaterally taking a sub private is not unprecedented, but it is an incredibly rare action.
EDIT: That user has confirmed they did not contact the Admins, and don't know who did, but that is still consistent with actions taken by Admins in the past to remove an absentee top moderator that made a unilateral move more active mods disagreed with.
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Additional additional context: The absentee head mod (legweed) returned a week before the protests and made a thread for all the mods of the sub to discuss whether to do a blackout. Basically nobody else meaningfully interacted except for the a single mod who was vehemently against it (CedarWolf), the same mod that was promoted by the admins.
The users of the sub overwhelmingly supported the blackout, but CedarWolf was involved in mass comment/post removals and bannings of pro-blackout content in the leadup. This included mod convo posts literally saying the community can't make the decision for themselves and that they (CedarWolf) know what's best for the community. At the same time legweed was trying to get other mods opinions but nobody actually responded until legweed make a stickied post to engage the community. This upset CedarWolf as he'd been spending most of his time suppressing those same conversations from happening.
I'm not saying an absentee mod should be able to show up an unilaterally private a sub, but in this case they were showing up to engage the community and the community was the one who asked to have it privated. None of the other mods really cared enough to argue, the one anti-blackout person was basically alone in their opinion and is equally responsible for a unilateral decision, except that one went against the community wishes.
Sure legweed was an absentee head mod, but CedarWolf wasn't just active, he's terminally online and has a really nasty superiority complex. I don't think either is really head mod material but one sided with the admins and now they have the unilateral control they had already tried to exercise prior.
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This is certainly a different story, but still, admin taking action here is not super common.
Perhaps we should start a new post with this new information to discuss?
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I don't really know it's worth a new post, because I don't think this information really changes what we will see happen, which is realistically three things:
- Subs that didn't commit to an indefinite protest are already coming back online, like /r/technology. Admins will be happy with that and do nothing.
- Subs that did commit to an indefinite protest but didn't do so unanimously will have lower mods reach out to Admins to get higher mods removed, and open the subs back up. This is what happened with Advice Animals.
- Subs that did commit to an indefinite protest and did do so unanimously will have old mod teams removed and new mod teams put in. If they do this, they will probably do it later, and while there may be some uproar, anybody who really cares about this by then will probably have already left reddit.
The fact that it was not super common previously doesn't mean it won't become more common, especially as precedent was set year ago.
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Your diligence is appreciated!!
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Fuck Reddit. But honestly I’m less and less invested with each passing day. I re-opened Apollo today and it’s already starting to feel old, foreign. I guess that means Lemmy is home now.
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Same. Im already within more communities than i ever had subreddits. Theres simply more to talk about here imo. The platform just needs to grow a little bigger and well have the ultra-niche communities not be complete ghost towns. Cant wait!
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I'm quite happy here now. Given up on reddit. The day Apollo's API key is deleted is the day I edit all of my comments and give up on the platform completely. It's strange I how feel no regret over saying that. It's just the way it's going to be.
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Same here. I've been a fly on the wall seeing the development of mlem progressing super fast, and we (I'm tangentially involved) are going to be releasing a big update soon that improves the GUI tremendously. You can go over to !mlemapp@lemmy.ml (or https://lemmy.world/c/mlemapp@lemmy.ml) to see what we're up to and to get the link to join the beta through TestFlight.
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Is there a way to edit all of your comments so they say something like-
"The previous comment has been deleted in response to Reddit execs immoral actions and I have moved to Lemmy which is the future of discourse. Come and have a look."
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Just a heads up, the day that happens is probably when the services that will edit or delete your comments also run into API limitations. Might be better to get ahead of that change.
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I'd probably recommend doing it before that - the day Apollo loses it's API key is the same day that all the scripts that will edit then delete your comments also die.
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i love that they're making this extreme choice over fucking advice animals which haven't been relevant in literally 10+years
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This is extremely short-sighted on reddits part, elevating lower mods to leads can cause so much drama in a community particularly when the lower mods don't have experience, the lower mods will probably make basic mistakes that'll turn the average base away from the subreddit.
this is really going to bite reddit in the ass if they try it more its like trying to fix a leak by sticking random objects in the hole
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This plays out like things I've seen in real life:
- Get a community/club/church/workplace going with a good set of leaders.
- The system becomes unwieldy through bureaucracy, excessive rules, whatever.
- Leadership can't change it, so they storm off in a huff after nobody listens to them.
- Power-mongering Assistant to the Regional Manager takes their shot to run the show.
- Everything becomes awful.
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Well good for them, they can have a lot of fun paying reddit staff to be the mods now.
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In all fairness, that's how Twitter did things from what I can understand.
Of course, that can be quite the payroll expense, especially with a weird model with a panoply of interest-based domains.
I'm sure the Reddit employees will be up to it and has all the equipment necessary for it. That protest was about the amazing internal tooling the mods loved using, right?
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So we can expect the mods of bigger subreddits to also lose their permissions? How will the admins manage to moderate 8k subs?
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The fact that they need to work their asses to accomplish this makes me happy... Not the part of recovering control for sure.
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Damage control is the least of their problems now. If things going as they are rn, by the end of the week (if more and more subs keep going dark/getting their mods kicked out) Reddit will come to a point of no return. That shit about to looney tunes sink like a mf.
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It was a matter of time before the admins started doing this. Fuck Spez, you piece of shit
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Saw this coming the moment the blackouts were being planned
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It isn't surprising at all, it's about hard money not about communities and fuzzy warm feelings. It seems everyone is working hard down at Reddit to make as much money as they can out of an IPO for a zombified carcass.
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yes it is about hard money, it always is at its core, and what you are seeing is a natural reaction of a failure in valuation of a part of the operation.
this has happened before, reddit admins think "they" are the equity, when in reality its the subs, thier content and those operators that are the equity.
Some of these structural changes are in an attempt to "fix" that, the site is turning toward devaluing content posted in threads over things that keep you scrolling and clicking.
Its always been a slow hostile takeover for the better part of the last decade, anyone whose been around expected this day to come eventually.
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Not going back. Disgusting behaviour.
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The way things are going R*ddit is going to become what Digg is today - a minimalist editor run link agreggator
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lfg
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Lemmy should make itself as much like Reddit as it possibly can except for the small handful of money-grubbing cunts who'd rather destroy communities than allow them to exist without profiting from them.
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Welp, I'm officially never going back to reddit, might as well start deleting my account now...
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let me help you: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
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Keep the blackout going. Even if they boot mods and reopen subs, don’t visit. I wonder how much traffic/revenue they have lost so far.
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Have fun paying for moderation or have Spam running rampant. That won't get you out of the red numbers, spez. Just fuel for the fire.
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There will always be someone willing to take over as mod and that is the problem
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Yeah, there are 2 kinds of people that mod though. The ones who actively adore the community and subject matter, and the ones that just want power and prestige. People who would step up after a protest to fill a void that was forcefully created are GUARANTEED to be the latter.
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Yes, and they'll very likely do a shitty job, lowering the quality of the sub and driving away decent users.
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Wait...the comment seems to indicate that the primary mod did not want to go dark, and an inactive mod came in and made it go dark. I understand being upset...but this does not seem like anything a Reddit admin would do?
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Gee, what a surprise that everyone called last week. Of course Reddit admins are booting uncooperative mods in favor of those that will un-private their subs, they have zero reason to be loyal to mods protesting against them. And they're actively losing advertising revenue for each sub that's dark.
The real way to protest this is to delete your Reddit account and never look back. Monthly active users is the only statistic that will force them to backtrack on any of the API pricing changes, and loads of people that have moved to Lemmy are actively using both platforms.
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Holy shit the amount of bootlickers in that comment thread makes me so happy to leave that place
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Yeah, I'm a mod for a few subs that total about 800k people. 99% of them have been really nice, but dude. The ones who aren't REALLY aren't. You'd think I molested their cat or something, when in reality I let the users bring it up, then vote on it, then vote AGAIN to stay closed. It was overwhelming in all cases that we do this.
Sorry I listened to my users I guess, should I be like Spez and just do what I want? If so, it's closing anyway. Oops.
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Also probably a bit of servivorship bias at work here – the people who really dislike the change aren't on reddit to upvote/comment leaving the bootlickers to be the ones who do.
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Does that mean they're unmoderated now? r/worldpolotics here we come!
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If someone were angry about what they're doing (not me, I've been through this so many times on so many sites that I'm apathetic) they could definitely put a coordinated effort into filling the subs that admins take over with anime titties to prove a point.
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Duuuuuude they didn't wait long did they? And they attack r/adviceanimals, one of the core subs, even though it isn't one of the defaults anymore.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Huffman brings back r/jailbait. The fucking dirty paedo.
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This is informative and unfortunate.
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That's why we desperately need downvoting, making fake stories sink to the bottom.
my 2 'cents
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Mods should just reopen but refuse to moderate. Disable automod as well.
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This is the way. Just remember what happened to /r/worldpolitics, the mods basically didn't want to moderate anymore and it became a shit show of spammers.
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Crazy that /r/AnimeTitties came along to fill that void lol
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Nah, delete the subs, make the remaining trolls and shitposters start from scratch.
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Fuck u/spez
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They would want to test it on one subreddit first and see how it went. The quality will tank, but this is something they could get away with.
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Yup. They only care about the ipo at this point. Money is far more important than ethics.
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And I thought they wouldn't go any lower. It's disgusting how far they're willing to go - it's like they're so eager to prove us right.
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I knew they were going to do this, but it's funny how fast it happened. The memo leak of the CEO to employees saying that "[this blackout] will pass" ups the comedy. Nothing like alienating your volunteer mods on your community-build website.
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Yeah, I was ready to just leave anyway, but his memo was basically telling everyone who gives a shit about the quality of reddit to gtfo. Done.
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oh, I fucking called it a mile away.
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That's insane. I honestly thought it was solely romours, like Spez editing messages on behalf of others (which I still don't believe in)
Edit: I believe it now though.
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It happened live on Thanksgiving and he admitted to it shortly after. Believe it bud.
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Oh, didn't know, I believe it now. Bud.
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There's a verge article here talking about it. Unfortunately, the comment admitting it might be gone since it was in r/The_Donald. But yeah, it happened.
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This is what we call scab behavior, Kids do not be like this mod, do not be a scabb, if you see a picket line do not cross it. If everyone else is striking join your fellows and strike with them.
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It’s depressing that I’m not surprised one bit. At this point, I don’t even think it’s worth sticking around until 3PA shut down on the 30th.
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Yeah, I'm out. I'm still learning this whole Lemmy thing, but it's scratching the same itch that Reddit did.
I think this killed reddit for me, even if they reverse their shit it's still the same company that desperately tried to push it in the first place. Only a matter of time before more of the things I liked about it are stripped away, might as well rip the band-aid off now.
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Clickable link: https://i.imgur.com/I7G25aL.png
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Investors: "You took over a sub in concert with a user named u/PussyWhistle?"
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I wonder if they saw a bunch of traffic trying to access advice animals and decided it was a good testing grounds for removing mods.
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I was looking at the reddit protest stream when it happened. Since it only says it reopened, i was a bit sad that such a huge sub would withdraw their desicion.
This makes more sense, and its awful.
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They did the same thing to admins of other major subreddits even before the blackout. They also removed initial posts regarding it on major subreddits. Thats why I chose to leave.
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Reddit? Are they new? Never heard of it 🤣 Probably won't get very big
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Greedy people fuckin' nice things up. Nothing new under the sun.
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It'll just lead to a general decline in sub quality.
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Yup. Driving away the mods by taking away the tools they need to moderate effectively means letting the site be overrun by low-effort shitposts and trolls, which in turn will drive away users who want at least a decent experience there. Considering how many awful people are there even with current moderation, I'm not sticking around to see what it starts festering into come next month.
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Reddit executives know this, and they will continue the enshittification so long as it benefits them financially.
The API change is just the most recent step in this process. Making more money with fewer users is a good thing from their perspective.
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This is downright terrifying. A major escalation of the blackout and deleting your content - with the help of european law - is a nice response to that, if they do not step back. This is perhaps the most extreme measure to be taken, short of destroying the data center itself. An emptied reddit history is a massive loss of knowledge and perhaps questionably damaging for the outside world.
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I am on the never going back path at this point, Im not even sure Ill be reopening the sub with links point back here, that still gives them value.
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How do I effectively nuke my entire account and remove all posts and comments?
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Check out PowerDeleteSuit
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What’s stopping Reddit from checking your IP and seeing that you’re not from the EU and restoring your data from a backup
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Slap them with a real lawsuit, if they guess wrong.
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What’s stopping Reddit from checking your IP and seeing that you’re not from the EU and restoring your data from a backup
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It would leave them open to potentially devastating legal consequences if an affected EU citizen can prove in court that reddit makes money of his content, which he deleted. Also the "right to be forgotten" as in the GDPR formulated would be violated.
IF reddit really goes that way, they'd have to anonymize at least the usernames. Which would make it extremely hard to prove that something is "your content" and not someone elses.
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IANAL, but how the GDPR is formulated. Reddit would need to prove that you are not an EU citizen, iirc.
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just backup your data and repost into lemmy
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Definitely called this. All the right wing trolls on Reddit are salivating at the thought of turning this into a coup by hopping into top mod spots in exchange for licking boot tread. The outcome is pretty obvious.
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Apparently, a heck of a lost of drama involving this.
Link to reddit for those who wants to give traffic to reddit - https://old.reddit.com/r/wholesome/comments/148aw58/radviceanimals_just_had_the_top_mods_permissions/
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Reddit has done this before when it really wants to, there is past precedent, but usually it's been along with the communities wishes.
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bootlickers, inc.
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So much for all the "oh, it's not hurting our revenue" dismissals.
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Actually I accidentally clicked a Reddit link on Google earlier today and (I don't remember the subreddit) my first thought was: I'm pretty sure this subreddit took part in the blackout so why can I see its posts like nothing happened?
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Hang on, when I go to the Reddark website now a bunch of subreddits have gone from private to public. Is it because it's the 14th or because someone intervened with the protest?
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Probably because they didn't commit to longer than 48 hours and decided not to stay closed.
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At first I thought they chickened out, now somehow I am both relieved and extremely sad.
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Time to leave every single major subreddit.
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Time to leave it all. They might not be taking over the small ones, but the writing is on the wall: this is not the place to host a community.
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Yep, but it'll take some time to move the small ones in any meaningful form, unfortunately.
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Why haven't more of the major subreddits, especially the ones doing long term indefinite blackouts, migrating their subs here?
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I haven't touched the platform since the blackout started and couldn't be happier. I'm just dipping my toes in over here as a replacement and it's quite nice.
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Can't say i didn't expect this.
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And of course the obligatory eff spez.
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Anybody have a link to this post? I can't find it in the user's page.
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Yup same. I've gone through their post history, and also the histories of mods listed on r/adviceanimals, and can't find this post or comment on this post. Huh.
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fuck reddit, all thanks to spez and reddit admins
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Sad to see all of this happening
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This was inevitable, unfortunately.
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I figured this would happen
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Admins in /r/modsupport were breaking records last week to tell mods who had a dormant top mod come back and private the sub that they would “resolve the issue”. Then after saying that they didn’t do anything for a few days. Guess they are gonna start doing that to the big subs to reopen them.
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Trying to make the change easy.
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"Memes are good formats for taking complex ideas, then condensing them into something that is easy to digest and distribute"
Wow... that guy actually thinks that you can use advice animals to convey complex ideas. I'm at a loss for words.
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I called it, had a feeling they would lol
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Hey. Will you look at that. Any interest in reddit just disappeared. Gg spez.
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It was only a matter of time...
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Are Reddit admins the sub owners or Reddit employees?
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Admins are employees. The people running the subs are mods. There aren't even 1% of enough admins to moderate the subreddits, but there are enough to police the moderation stances of the large subs.
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Admins are employees, sub owners are unpaid volunteers.
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Reddit admins are Reddit employees.
Reddit moderators are (generally) not Reddit employees.
Regular users create the subreddits, but they all belong to Reddit.
I'm pretty sure the admins have installed mods before on subreddits where they didn't like the mod team. I think I remember people talking about it at one point, but I can't remember specifics, so I'm not entirely sure. (They do it for abandoned subs all the time, but that's different.)
I know over a decade ago when the IAmA subreddit creator was going to shut that subreddit down one of the admins said they'd take the subreddit over and put new mods in if he didn't change his mind. But at the time the admins weren't throwing their weight around like they would eventually, so it wasn't a consensus thing, just one admin talking.
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It was sort of expected, unfortunately. Let's see if they keep doing it to other subs and how things will go if they keep removing mods.
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OMG Who saw that coming! /s
What a DICK.
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I wonder what will happen to the subreddits that had voted to black out for the week from the get- go?
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It's not a democracy... straight to jail!
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Apparently, there's a heck of a lot of drama involving this right now. https://old.reddit.com/r/wholesome/comments/148aw58/radviceanimals_just_had_the_top_mods_permissions/
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Is there a Reddit drama community I could follow?
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c/snoocalypse maybe?
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Off topic, who owns/runs the servers here and how does it make money? I'm new I'm curious.
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The host of the instance owns/runs the server for any instance. There is no money to be made. The servers stay up because people donated or the instance owners paid for it.
Edit: the right way of saying it is.. the instances, at least the bigger ones, are crowd-funded.
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I asked about this.
Around ~180 euros a month for the server they were renting to run this Lemmy instance. Anybody can host though and any member of a Lemmy can see content and interconnect with other instances.
I was looking into potentially hosting my own Lemmy for my friends and I because the cost would be more manageable.
I'd imagine if people started doing that it would decentralize the costs and the administrative overhead.
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similar to old usenet and fidonet, volunteers, there have always been people happy to help run hardware and help make the commons a thing. people were lured away from the gardens and parks by digital theme parks and shopping malls, where the users become customers.
people wonder "how can it possibly work"
email works great! same concept.
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Love me some old internet. So basically were back to the cost of bandwidth for individuals who want to run a server.
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Biggie knew. Treat everything like it’s your first day because nothing is guaranteed.
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Completely expected tbh
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BASED
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Commies!
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What's up? You called? ⚒️
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::tips hat:: Comrade
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oh my god, what a turn of events. who would have thought?
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They did the same thing to admins of other major subreddits even before the blackout. They also removed initial posts regarding it on major subreddits.
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This is huge! And should be shared far and wide! This sort of crap is why a single company can't be in charge: sooner or later some CEO some board member or whatever decides to pull some crap like this and thinks accountability is not applicable because he said so. This is why federation is a must in this day and age.
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That tampon-faced fuck.
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Don't you dare disrespect tampons that way. They are useful and serve a purpose.
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And are able to get inside a pussy.
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literal assholes
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Commies
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If only the mods had control, you know of the tools used to make the system work. Call it worker controll of the means of production maybe.
This here is more commie in the tradtitional pre bolshevik sense "the free and equal association of producers."
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Ummm... They're exactly the opposite of commies.
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Whatever they are I don't like it.
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Yes I don't want reddit mods and admins taking over this place. When I left reddit I am leaving their mods too.
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I think that anyone who's been around reddit long enough knew this was coming. Reddit isn't a free and open platform, and never was. The admins allowed moderators free reign just so long as they didn't do anything that reddit didn't want.
This wouldn’t be a proper Reddit replacement if an anonymous user didn’t take the time out of his day to type that “free rein” was the correct spelling here
Well damnit you are right - in both that it's not proper reddit replacement without grammar nazis, and that "free rein" is the usual term. It could be argued that reign also works in this case because some moderators seemed to be under the impression that they were unchallenged kings within their subreddit kingdoms.
It is?? I've been typing it wrong my whole life.
I'm still writing 'reign' though.