Do you think Trump will fall because of the new Epstein emails?
Apparently they're scrambling in the wild house, meeting with lauren bobert in the situation room etc.
I think it just has become far more likely that trump himself had Epstein killed...
No. Nothing matters. He said it himself.
I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?
The only true thing he accidentally said.
That's not true.
He said smart people don't like him.
I think he also called his supporters dumb
The Boys was supposed to be an exaggeration, not an instruction manual
Course that was back when New York was on 'his side'. Not so sure that would still be true with the new mayor.
The issue is that anyone with a functioning prefrontal cortex has known he's a pedophile since at least 2016, when it was released that he would regularly walk into the changing rooms at the child beauty pageants he would sponsor.
This whole controversy has really just been about desperately hoping the MAGA crowd would accept a single fact in their life if maybe it didn't come from mainstream media. The issue that I see is that the right-wing propaganda machine has completely given up on getting the Epstein files released. They're not gonna cover it, they'll call it a fake news attack by the Democrats, and that's the last thought the MAGA crowd will have on it. There was a very brief moment where they did care earlier this year, but Trump and specifically Mike Johnson have successfully delayed long enough.
the other issue is even if somehow it did break through and galvanized the MAGA base against Trump... so what? Trump has already made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a fuck about his base, the law, rules and norms, or really anything beyond consolidating his power and acting like a king. Would that base actually go so far as to vote Democrat in the midterm elections a year from now? Would they vote Democrat in 2028, assuming we even have free and fair elections by then? would they even still remember? at the end of the day, I think they hate the mythical idea of "The Left" that they've been sold too much to ever actually fight alongside us, so hoping the J6 crowd would try to actually save democracy this time is absurd.
Some lessons I learned from Trump's first term that so many people apparently did not:
I would love to be proven wrong, but keeping these things in mind helps me to avoid unnecessary disappointment.
Much more likely Republicans will legalize child sex.
Democrats will say they're going to try to block it but cave in the end
It beats the mines.
He won't "fall" until his supporters stop supporting him.
To be clear, his supporters voted for him in 2024 even though he was already a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, and insurrectionist.
They will not care if they find out he fucked children.
Here is their response:
But Biden …(insert dumbest conspiracy you’ve ever heard)
But Biden fucked children in the basement of that pizza place that didn’t have a basement
Biden did a lot of things worth criticising , it's wild u.s. patriots latch onto like, biting a babies leg on halloween
If you're old enough to remember the panama papers and how less than a handful of wrong doers had to face their consequences, you can basically expcet a rerun. The entire ruling class is a criminal enterprise.
The person who released them journalists Daphne Caruana Galizia in 2017 and Ján Kuciak in 2018 due to their investigations ended up being assassinated
No. I think it will get far less coverage than it should, will get pushed out of the news cycle early, and Trump won't be held accountable. The only way anything happens is that someone who's pissed off makes another assassination attempt and lands the shot this time.
I am no US-american, but I agree
the slow drip of leaks is proving to be an effective strategy. Normally they flood the zone after a bombshell and the scandal gets buried. This time, whomever is conspiring against him is doing a much better job at keeping things tightly wrapped and leaking it slowly to keep the conversation relevant.
It's a good tactic because whatever lies the Whitehouse comes up with to defend against the first few leaked things might be countered by the next few leaked things. They have no idea what is available to be leaked next so have to be careful what they say.
If it all came out at once they would know exactly what they have to work with when crafting their story.
As well, coming out a little bit at a time means people can focus and pay attention to the details, discuss it.
If 20,000 emails were all of a sudden leaked hardly anyone would care because no one would be talking about the same things at the same time and the details get lost
From what I've heard from folks outside the US, we're way past the point of not being the shinning city on the hill. The only thing I see is that if and when the emails come out to public, the US will be so marginalized by the rest of the world that doing business with them will almost be the equivalent as doing business with North Korea (not counting trade embargos), that people will not really care as much anymore. And even if you where in the US you'd be more interested in just surviving the day than caring about the already known pedo in chief running the whitehouse will all his clouns and billionaires. The only thing that could give me joy is that if thefiles come out, the rest of the world powers could make trade embargos with the US and any billionaire that has financial or political ties with the US (specially including tech companies) so those billionaires would either jump ship and line up with the tax laws of the rest of the world or sink with the rest of the us economy.
Heavy rant over
No.
He's like teflon .... Nothing sticks.
But once there is a minor scratch, it will become completely worthless in no time at all. Now it's not IF but WHEN that scratch happens
I'd say he's the opposite of teflon - he's so fundamentally dirty that it's impossible to make him worse than he already is. If who he is doesn't move the needle then nothing else will make the difference.
We can hope. But everyday I lose more and more faith in my fellow humans…
Theres been more than scratches. Seems like multiple times a day theres a new thing, just one of which would have been enough to sink someone's entire career 20 years ago.
Im not sure if its due to constant access to unlimited news, a sign of the times we live in, or simply him being untouchable.
who'd have thunk that all nixon needed to do was..... ignore the impeachment and move on.
absolutely not. it can't be used in any type of court for anything in particular. nobody's going to go after him for anything in there.
it's just optics. and how much worse could the guy's optics possibly be? what difference does it make?
If he somehow does start getting held accountable for this, Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries will twist themselves into pretzels to somehow throw him a lifeline. And it wouldn't even make me assume Schumer or Jeffries are in the Epstein files, I think they're just so cowardly and worthless they'd help Trump without getting anything out of it.
Videos of him doing the deed with children would still make no difference at all.
Nobody will move a finger to touch his orange hair.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we've gotten to that point.
They'd claim it's AI generated and move on to 'more important thigns' like the money wasted on foodstamps
I disagree
Only if it kills him.
i don't want the POS dead until he's in a prison cell. he has to KNOW he lost.
The question was if we think he will fall, not what we want to happen.
Someone will take a fall.
The operation will be largely unaffected.
Let's not get excited too early!
One can only hope.
No, too many wealthy politicians will go down if the files are released.
lol no
Nope.
Honestly I still like Hillary for arranging Epstein's "suicide." She's far more devious. Trump is dirty, but he's fairly up-front about what he's about. Honestly I don't think he's intelligent enough to pull it off. Someone from his camp? Far more likely than him himself. I'm not shifting blame if he gave the order. I'm saying the whole thing would have been outside his realm of comprehension. If it did come from his side — and I do not, for a second, believe that it absolutely did not — he wasn't told and is still in the dark about it.
But no. We've known Trump was a pervert and a predator for years. Anyway, all the emails really reveal is he messed around with some early-20s girls when he was in his 40s. Hardly children. Victims of sex trafficking sure, but not children.
It's a cult. His followers will condemn poor people for doing the same thing he's done, even if they're white and straight, but especially if they're brown and/or LGBTQ+. And they'll forgive his mistakes. I heard he pardoned a transgender person who helped him try to overthrow the government on January 6. His followers don't care they're transgender. Trump doesn't, either, apparently. But he'll take some other action against the LGBTQ+ community and they'll support him for it.
I will say that they made a great point, though. The White House, the Trump camp, I mean. They asked why we didn't care about this so much when Biden was president. Solid point. No one thinks Biden is in the Epstein files. The answer is pretty obvious. They thought, after January 6 Trump is unelectable, just let him go away in peace. They'd rather let him get away with what he did rather than stain any of their colleagues. Only now that Trump is back in the White House are they trying to weaponise the Epstein files. They could have done this under Biden and they would have potentially won in 2024 but they didn't.
I will say that they made a great point, though. The White House, the Trump camp, I mean. They asked why we didn't care about this so much when Biden was president.
I'd say Trump literally making releasing the files part of his campaign then pulling back as soon as he was elected might play a part...
Exactly. Trump, once again, brought it on himself by campaigning on it.
I'm still skeptical that Epstein died at all! More likely they killed some guy who looked like him and let Mossad spirit the real Epstein away to Tel Aviv, where he's living under a new identity on the beach with all the children he can r*pe.
As for Trump, no. Come on. The only way ANY of the corruption ends is with a general strike and the overthrow of the state - plus, with any luck, capitalism itself.
#GeneralStrike
RIP Anthony Bourdain
No
No. All rightists live in a reality distortion bubble. They are thoroughly brainwashed cultists and nothing will ever change their minds.
not a chance in hell
TLDR: No.
Looking at conservative responses online, in the news, and from real people, they don't seem to care about these emails. I've seen explanations that Democrats selectively blacked out names and words to make Trump look bad, that the emails are entirely faked, or that the emails actually are good for Trump because they prove that he was only aware of Epstein's crimes but didn't partake in them. This last explanation usually includes talk about how Trump was an undercover operative that brought down Epstein (but he doesn't want to brag about it for some unknown reason) or that he obviously couldn't report his suspicions of crime occurring since he didn't have hard proof (you can definitely report crimes without giving evidence).
I think if an email was released that explicitly said Trump committed crimes, they would say the email was a fake that was planted by Democrats during Biden's term. If photos or videos of the crimes were released, they would say they are AI generated. If Trump himself said he did it, they would say that it wasn't actually that bad because of some reason or another. Idk what the specific excuses would be, but I know that a lot of Trump supporters would buy them while simultaneously believing the evidence when it pertains to people who are not Trump. I think there may even be many that know the excuses are lies, but they refuse to turn on Trump because it means they would have to accept that they spent the past decade publicly supporting a bad person.
Don't get me wrong, there will definitely be conservatives that break from Trump with each new scandal that comes, but what are they actually able to do about it? Trump runs the organizations that would be in charge of investigating him, so it is unlikely that any legal action would happen unless he is impeached. Republicans could call their representatives and say they will vote them out of office if they don't impeach Trump. The representatives likely will not listen because they know that at this point, Republican voters will never vote for a Democrat.
I think it is possible (but unlikely) that Trump could lose much of his base's support, but I personally don't think there will ever be a grand fall from power or punishment for misdeeds. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think the best we might get is that a decade after Trump has died, some conservatives will feel comfortable enough to say that he may have done some bad things.
It makes the existing situation worse for Trump. It could be the straw that breaks the camel's back or another scandal to add to the pile.
Depends. What does the pizza index say? How busy are the fast food places surrounding the white house? /s
The only thing that will take him down is a blob of cholesterol being dislodged during a particularly violent fart. He is surrounded by boot lickers who will excuse him literally anything, including raping children if necessary.
Or shooting someone on fifth avenue