Let me have a little schadenfreude, as a treat

The Republicans are only going to talk about violence against them. They have a victim mentality and Charlie boy is now a martyr.
- I don't think his name will linger in memory very long. The pro gun crowd doesn't care when people die, they just don't. And they'll happily use his name for a little while, but it's not like they actually valued his life any more than they value the lives of the children who die from routine school shootings every year. They'll forget about him soon enough.
  It's sad to say that, too. We'd like to imagine that these gun lunatics have some sense of empathy with their political allies, or other humans in general, but many of them just don't. And because they don't feel that at all, they can't even fake it, not for long.
- I hope they all end up being martyrs.
- He is now their Horst Wessel.
Kirk promoted gun violence to justify the 2nd amendment. It would be poetic justice if the killer was someone whose loved one died from gun violence and chose to give him a taste of his own opinion.
Trump ordered flags to half staff. For a fucking shitposter. 2 congresspeople in MN get gunned down and nothing.

Bruh... We are in for an explosion of political violence... Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.

And your average kid in elementary school. Our society has successfully normalized violence literally against children. I feel like we're not far away from "pedophiles really aren't that bad actually" being said by our politicians.
And they want me to care about a fucking piece of shit like Charlie Kirk turning into a fountain of blood while no one else was hurt? Literally top 10 clean kills in history.
The only sympathy I feel is for people that had to feel the trauma of that event. No one there knew they were not also targets. The panic and fear they must have felt in that moment. That is my only sympathy for this situation.
- Yeaaaah, when he was asked how many transgender shooters were in the us in the last 10 years, he answered too many and the crowded roared in applause. I give no fucks about their trauma.

i switched over from reddit recently and this post makes me here to stay. Got a loud laugh out of me after reading all the undeserved sympathy this guy was getting.

I've been wondering for awhile now - at what point do ppl just start killing these fucking ppl. I guess that's today. Hopefully this a lesson/reminder in why you don't treat your fellow man like fucking dogshit, cause they just might tear your fucking throat out!

Yuh got permabanned from Reddit for telling alt right dude they only bitch when one of their own FO in the FAFO and that Nazis deserve sunflower seeds. Lmao that site is a joke.

Someone said “he died as he lived: talkin’ out the side of his neck.”

Perfection.

Ffs 😂 👌
He had a lot to say.
He had a lot of nothing to say, we'll miss him.
- unexpected tool

I feel for all the people who will have to live with the fear and trauma of witnessing this. I’m glad nobody else was hurt. This type of violence is a consequence of our gun-obsessed and highly politically polarized culture, which Kirk had a massive hand in making worse. I hope we can focus on the damage his rhetoric has caused and those who were taken in by him can use this as a learning moment.

Yeah, what is up with our gun-obsessed culture anyhow? Switzerland for example has about as many guns per person as we do, but they’re not nutso gun worshippers like we are. What gives?
- Switzerland requires training courses and other regulations we don't have have afaik, though not an expert, which likely helps a lot.
  America as a non homogenous society, and always has been rife with divisions as well. These divisions easily, even subconsciously stoke fear into people, prompting a bigger draw towards self defense.
  Early pioneer spirit also drilled it into the American consciousness. Needed a gun to defend your farm/animals from predators or other people when law enforcement didn't exist or was hours away back in the day. Also leads to guns being in the family, needing back ups, a gun for every able bodied person etc ...
  So a big culture of self defense being the only viable defense for much of American history, consistent concerns about the "others" (for a large chunk of time also includes slave revolts), and relatively lax requirements (stemming from the other reasons mentioned) and boom. Crazy gun obsessed culture.
- The US has roughly 1.2 guns per person. Switzerland has 0.27. Canada is a better comparison with 0.34. No country in the world is really in the same league as the US. The US is more than double the next country: Yemen.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
  While other countries do sometimes have a few guns, they all have much stronger gun laws. In Switzerland a gun is never something you can use for self-defence or home defence. It has to be safely stored at all times except when you're going out hunting or going to a shooting range. If your weapon is lost or stolen you have to report it to the police immediately. If you are going hunting or going to a shooting range, your gun has to be unloaded.
  In Canada it's relatively easy to get a hunting rifle, but pistols are more or less illegal. If you're a sport shooter you can get one, but if you're driving to go shooting it has to be locked in a box in the trunk of your car.
  The US one of the only countries where it's acceptable to use a gun for self-defence. It's one of the only countries where people think they have a right to guns. Almost every other country considers it a privilege that can be taken away if someone doesn't actively demonstrate that they're handling these dangerous things safely. In almost every other country it's illegal to have a loaded gun on you when you're not at a gun range, with a few exceptions made for police, bodyguards, etc.
  The US also has extremely violent media compared to the rest of the world. In the US there are ratings to try to protect kids from seeing sexual content, but violence is mostly OK. In most of the rest of the world it's violence that's not OK but sex is no big deal.
- Swiss only have guns because it is the gun from their military training, which currently is mandatory.
  They may have guns, but they do not have ammo.
I strongly worry about the short term for everyone. Listening to the fear and anger of both the people around me in rage and the people celebrating violence online, this feels like the first domino falling. Tensions will be high for awhile. Please learn to love your neighbors no matter how ignorant or disgusting their beliefs and convictions may be.
- What about when their beliefs are "people you care about should die?"
  It's a reciprocal relationship. I can tolerate them if they can tolerate me. If they base their beliefs on failing to tolerate me.... I won't extend the courtesy either.
- Idk. Lot of people hoped Luigi would spark a trend and that never materialized. Don't fret too much
- Loving people like this doesn't make them question themselves - it makes them think their abhorrent views aren't so bad or that your convictions aren't really that strong.
  And doing so does not stop the violence - there are already people dying in prison camps and being arrested and beaten for protests. The violence is already happening and keeping silent about it is just pretending it isn't and trying to keep it isolated to a group of sacrificial others rather than seeing it effect everyone.
  Is the situation lamentable? Yes. But this escalation didn't happen in a vacuum.
- Nah, tried that. It Doesn't Fucking Work.
- Horrible Trauma is one of the few things that changes people's minds. It's generally in-group pressure, and trauma. Maybe some charlie supporter saw him get a well deserved death will have nightmares for a while, and then stop supporting horrible causes.
- The only thing I'm afraid of is the reprisal that Trump will extract from us.
I guess it occurs to me that the shooter was lucky to target so accurately.
Emotionally driven rogue shooters often aren’t going to have steady aim. We’ve even seen from many similar incidents, it can happen that multiple unrelated people to the object of their hate can get hurt. It’s often how gang violence spreads - the gangs only care about their opponents, but stray bullets still hit innocent people, dragging the mess forward.
If they’d hit anyone else, which is purely a matter of luck and lack of discovery, not shooting skill, I imagine this wouldn’t be so clear cut an issue. For that reason, I’d rather we not generate imitators, especially not in crowded events like these.

dude had a big face or small face depending on how you define face, i see why the shooter didn't want to overcomplicate and went for the neck

If they were shooting at the face, they would have misjudged the distance.

Not gushing anymore https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c206zm81z4gt?post=asset%3A7e2f698a-fcc0-41b0-84ac-b7e01c1d6d56#post

It was while he was being asked about gun violence that he was shot, the student says.
Unbelievable.
- Specifically, he was in the middle of spinning a question about mass shootings into a dog whistle about "gang violence".
- Some of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to hhh-uh-kkuggg...
- 🤌
- You'd need a case of dynamite and some matches to cut through that irony.
HEYOOOOO
Those chicks seemed like smug ass Karen’s. It’s scary how well composed and dedicated to the narrative they were after witnessing someone they liked being shot but then again they were fans. Nazis
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I have to admit, the Republicans were right about the second amendment. We need to be (legally) buying guns and (legally) protesting with them.

Fuck around and find out.

Video of Charlie's callous attitude toward the victims of gun violence + him finding out (NSFW NSFL)

Oh thank you, I was just searching for a downloadable link. I'm gonna hang this up on my wall.
I saw the picture of the just before part, not sure I want to watch the actual thing. However I know he (gleefully) damaged many, many lives and I know that some of them will be happy to watch this.
- People are very focused on the blood gushing part. And I get that. But I can't say I haven't had that normalized by movies. It's not that different.
  The shocking thing about it to me is not the blood but his reaction. Movies do not capture the subtlety of watching the life leave from someone's body so quickly. I think that's what makes the blood so much more shocking.
  I don't watch this kind of stuff ever. I saw it on twitter by mistake. It was hard not to.

Fountain of blood is an understatement. It looked like special effects. The guy went out like a DOOM villain. He died gargling on his own blood.

Sauce? I need to watch this plsss
- https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457 NSFL

The onion had a good headline, 'Charlie Kirk loses gun control debate by a longshot'

Where? I want to share it.
All I can find is "Trump: ‘Political Violence Has No Place In My Inner Circle’"

They’re already committing violence. It’s just directed against brown people, we shouldn’t forget that. The level they expand and escalate it to is what’s up for debate.

Lol.

So long asshole.

Ran your mouth one day too long.

I give up. Are they gonna post the answer later? How does this work?

I don't know a lot about him, I'm not US American.

I condemn violence in general but a person like him who helps polarize society, pours oil in the fire etc. may just reap what he sowed.

That's what you get, with culture war nonsense and playing sides of the political spectrum against each other. Strange to assume this would just stay rhetoric.

Main difference between him and someone else fueling the fire is the irony.
He specifically supported people bringing guns to schools wiith quotes that essentially boil down to "Gun violence happens but we just have to live with it to protect our god given rights."
He was the reason he could get shot.
He sayd things like few gun related deaths each year is acceptable sacrifice if they can keep their god given right to bear arms. Also he said he does not understand empathy and it's just a made up new age term.
So he most definetly got what he sowed, what he deserved.
- He was saying that trans people shouldn't have guns because they commit lots of gun violence when he was shot (a lie as usual).

Dude, I watched a youtube video of local news stations reporting over the shooting. The youtube comments are completely deranged and 100% written by AI. Somehow charlie kirk is being equated to MLK Jr.

Yes because MLK breached hatred and that his kids could hopefully life with more hatred than him etc. Hatred is the future.
What a joke, some right wing asshole is like MLK
Lol that one subreddit also equated the two. Smallface will be forgotten within a year, he had no memorable message that people would rally behind. Anyone can spew his kind of hate, just needs a bit of training to beat some highschoolers in shitty debates. "Owning the libs" and using dog whistles is nothing that will make you more than some footnote.
MLK was a leader. Kirk was an arsonist.

Omg lol

Oh no, anyway

It’s ironic to mention retributive violence while advocating against people’s rights to be armed to defend themselves.

Nobody is advocating for murder or murderers. While I dislike reddit, /r/DGU is typically very illustrative as to why it’s so important.

I hope - sincerely - to never need to defend myself or my family.

That doesn’t mean you get to disarm me so that some murderers can ignore the law and kill people anyway.

Murder is strictly the illegal killing of someone.
If it is legal to target a minority group it may be illegal for that minority group to resist.
You can end up with a situation where Alice killing Bob is legal and not murder, but Bob killing Alice in self defence is murder.
In such cases the morality of Bob engaging in self defense is not so easily encompassed in "murder is wrong."
- So from a historical context:
  A Nazi killing a Jew during WWII was not murder but a Jew killing a Nazi was.
  A modern perspective:
  A Israeli killing Palestinians is not murder, but a Palestinians killing Isrealis is.
I'm a pro-2A gun owner, I suspect you may not be reading the meme the way I intended / expected.

How many people have been snatched off the street and disappeared to secret prisons recently? Those people I am concerned about, this bigoted asshole eating lead while spewing bullshit…not at all. There is violence going on already and while I don’t wish for more deaths, there is no rehabilitation for a Nazi

Could have happened a better person, but I'll take whatever we get

Trump's cardiovascular problems will do him in soon. Charlie Kirk had 50 years of inciting hate ahead of him.
- Yeah I'm going to be a bit surprised if Trump's body survived to the end of his term. My wife was a CNA for a while in a couple of assisted living facilities and the conditions he has and the general decline that's been visible in his public appearances, he's not got long left at all. For an average joe in a nursing home I'd guess months left, for a leader of a wealthy country I'd say he has a chance of surviving to the end of his term, but he's going to be less and less able to hide the declining state of his health as time goes on