And nothing of value was lost

If this situation was reversed, MAGA would have raised $100k for her legal defense by now.

She would have been pardoned by the President lol
At least 500k

there was an old redditism that the best way to get off with murder is to use your car and call it an accident... I wonder if this is that. Get plastered, kill a nazi, go to jail for 5 years instead of 20.

there was an old redditism that the best way to get off with murder is to use your car
Not a redditism. An urbinist-ism. Reddit had a healthy contingent of urbanists, but you'll find us here on Lemmy too, over at !fuckcars@lemmy.world, or !urbanism@slrpnk.net. (Or, frankly, because it's a movement with significant overlap to anticapitalism, just all around the threadiverse.)
And it's completely true, too. I can easily think of half a dozen cases where someone killed someone else with a car and got away scott-free in my country alone (in fact: with just one exception, the ones that come to my mind are all in my city alone). And only one of those cases even went to court as far as I know.
- Dan Sheehan (of “NOT A WOLF”) wrote a piece about how easy it is to get away with vehicular murder on his blog: https://www.reallyveryhuman.com/p/where-can-a-car-kill-me
- In Canada you'd be unlucky to even get jail time at all, it's fucked. We're kinda infamous for this.
  One I remember was a driver going 120 km/hr in a 60 zone, ran over some girl guides, and kills an 8 year old.
  2 years of house arrest.
- In Italy there's been a big push against this in the last decade.
  There's now a law called "road murder" (omicidio stradale) which makes the penalties for killing someone while driving, especially if intoxicated, more similar to intentional murder (rather than manslaughter). It's essentially aggravated manslaughter, when you cause the death of someone while driving recklessly.
Genuinely true! Killing with cars is a misdemeanor.
- This depends on the state and depends wildly on the circumstances. Driving in a reckless manner, e.g. while intoxicated, and killing someone is probably a felony everywhere.
She lists on her WriteAPrisoner page that her biggest inspiration is Maya Angelou, a black civil rights activist. She also has her bachelor's in journalism. Not impossible lol.
Unfortunately her earliest release date is midway through 2033, 15 years after incarceration in 2018.
She's going to prison for at least another 15 years before she's eligible for parole.
But I hear you in the car accident bullshit
I'd buy her a drink!

There is only so much empathy you can lend out to a fascist black hole before it sucks you into its hateful gravitational pool. Purity tests like what you are proposing just makes them stronger.
- I'm not saying you have to treat them with kindness. I am saying you have to reckon with the fact that they are still human. Or you will be doomed to follow the same path.
- Wouldn't the fascists even argue that empathy is toxic?
It's literally the one message every old European used to preach to us younger generations back in the day. I remember how important it was to them to make us understand that the minute we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we are repeating the cycle.
It is why movies like Der Untergang exists. We have to understand that the most despicable people who ever lived were still human beings and much closer to ourselves than we like to think.
I have carried with me, my whole life the knowledge that I am fallible and I am capable of evil no matter how good of a person I think I am. To a lesser extent, every time I have thought I was too clever to fall for x, y and z, that's when I have fallen right into it. "I would never end up in an abusive relationship. I have too much self respect for that" 🤡 "I'm far too strong to become the doormat in this and that friendship" 🤡 "I'll never fall for fake information online. I'm too observant" 🤡
I could never trust myself to believe I would be too smart, kind or principled to not fall into a destructive and abusive pattern of behavior if the circumstances are twisted just right. I think more people would benefit if they reminded themselves of their imperfections and got off their high horses. On Lemmy alone I have encountered far too many holier than thou types who are super duper anti fascist but ironically act exactly like fascists, but to them it doesn't count because they are "on the right side of history".
Am I sad that some nazi KKK guy died? No. But he was human. Most likely a very terrible human, but still human.
- The problem is that fascists know that normal people are empathetic in this way, and they use it against us. It makes it nearly impossible to stop them (without violence).
  At some point you're just bowing down to murderous psychopaths who literally want you dead.
- I do agree with almost everything you wrote, but I don't understand the moral consequence. One do not have to think they're too smart or too pure to take some kind of solace from the fact that there's one less fascist walking the earth.
  To me, that has nothing to do with being "better" as a human. It's just that their project means my/our death. The more they grow, the more we die and vice versa. I do not dehumanize them nor do I think they're stupid or deserve anything.
  It's as simple as : the more they grow, the more anything I care for will wither away.
- So give her partial credit on the community service part of the sentence?
This. Dehumanizing people, even the scum of the world, is not good or justified.
Two counterpoints to this (although I like the spirit):the paradox of intolerance suggests that intolerance will easily spread if we tolerate it. So in a world where tolerance is abundant: intolerance itself should still not be tolerated.
In a way I feel this may be saying the same thing again, but when we speak of protected classes and human rights we generally think of immutable qualities assigned at birth. That is, it’s not okay to discriminate based on things such as skin color, height, sound of voice, heritage, language, race, disability etc. and you get the idea.
Modern ideas stretch this a bit, as sexuality and gender identity have recently (as in within the last century, and only then within more educated cultures) entered as protected facets of human expression due to our understanding of them as involuntary. Even an individual’s personal religion is universally considered to not be up for debate, even though each of the world’s religions are composed of transient beliefs that an individual is allowed to change whether they are comfortable with it or not.
Any group’s ideas for societal idealism do not and should not get these types of protections, because ideas obviously should change if a better idea is presented. It should be agreed upon that whatever utopia is (for however close the human race can get to it), it would need to be universally agreed upon by all living individuals as well as all possible human group permutations. This is seemingly insurmountably large, so some of us tried to take shortcuts by eliminating other groups, and to make a long story short you could say the world universally condemned these ideas as one of the first “global” acts.
The point is, if somebody has:
Willingly violated the social contract in defiance of available historical context and public information, and
Elected to voluntarily hold that an aforementioned Protected Class of people should be either eliminated or exiled (in service to making their version of utopia easier to achieve), then
Then this somebody has found themselves to be a member of the one group of people (a group founded on voluntary belief) that society at large would be better to either eliminate or exile.
Obviously debate is preferred but one cannot reason with somebody who believes deep down in another group’s inferiority.
- I agree with all you wrote, and it's a good point well made. However, in the context of what it's replying to, it could be interpreted as condoning the death penalty for extremists, which I disagree with, if it was intended that way.
- My point is less about what rights they might deserve, and more about staying informed and vigilant of the ideological capacities of human beings, including yourself.
Genuinely curious your perspective: so what then?
How would you want to handle the growing fascism problem because I believe shaming, ridicule and cruelty are due with where we stand and with how bad things are and how much, much, worse they can get.
These are your enemies they have the entire govenment and a cult and they want to brutalize, make illegal and remove people (one way or the other).
What do you propose?
- I believe I called them fuckheads so I don't seem to have a problem with ridicule. My point of contention is in the reply tweet of "no human being was harmed". I'm not trying to defend the thoughts or actions of these people, I'm just saying we have to recognize that they are people. I propose building a better world, proving those ideas wrong, and defending ourselves when necessary.
- Shame, cruelty, and ridicule, but as humans. Let them own what they did.
Ummmm.
No?
Fuck nazis and kkk and southern pride and confederate apologists and white supremacists and bigots of all kinds.
Like get fucked. Straight up well known nazis can fucking die. They are worthless. They make a choice to continue being that way. They can do irreparable harm.
Like, fucking no. Just no. You're pathetic.
- The ability to strip away the title of "human being" is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria.
- Why do you think considering someone human is mutually exclusive with wishing death upon them/thinking it's fine for them to die.
I would ask you, is it OK to fight Nazis in a war? If you say yes, then what's the difference?
- The point isn't whether or not it is okay to fight nazis. The commenter only states that the guy who died is still a human even if we don't like him.
  That is a fact. If we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we open ourselves up to becoming monsters no matter how justified we feel we are.
  I struggle with this myself. I have a deep-seated disgust toward narcissists and emotionally, I do not consider them human beings. Rationally, I know that they are and that if I continue to refuse to accept that they are one of the countless aspects of humanity, I open myself up to my own narcissistic aspects, where I see an entire subsection of humanity as lesser than me, as pests instead of human beings with a severe personality disorder that most likely came from repeated childhood neglect and abuse.
  It is okay to feel strong negative emotions toward people we don't like, but we cannot allow ourselves to dehumanizing them because that is how we become monsters ourselves.
  Empathy is hard because it isn't always the easiest or most comfortable path. It can feel downright injust at times, but that is all emotions talking. The more we think about it, truly reflect on it, the more we will understand that choosing empathy over emotional outbursts, will serve us and society far better in the long run. But it is fucking difficult.
- Are you incapable of fighting someone you consider human?
^reddit chud
I disagree with the comment directly below you.
I like my mom way more than my dad, and I took on her political beliefs(which are objectively better).
But we are all creatures of our environment.
Yes yes, we won't use this as an excuse to fix the broken clock

Her inmate photo is something else. Sadly she got like 15 years. Free my girl.

She seems happy about it? Also shouldn't her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?
- It's in the article, it's public.
- i dont know all the details but states have different laws regarding privacy for criminals. Florida for instance does not have many protections which is why so many local stories about crime come from there
- It is public information yes (though it does depend on the state).
  For example in Nevada (not related to her, just the state I'm in): https://doc.nv.gov/inmates/home/

You know I wanted to at least enjoy that a Nazi was unable to Nazi anymore considering the overwhelming number of Nazis today, only to discover the girl killed him in 2018.

Better late than never.

My grandfather killed a nazi and became a hero. Ms. Sherry does it and she becomes the enemy. That doesn't seem fair.

Your grandfather went to war to protect the world from a global enemy. Mr. Sherry got drunk and drove on the way killing a nazi. These two things are not even close to be the same. Lets just be happy a nazi died. No need to justify DUI.
- I mean despite your very reasonable logic, she did manage to remove a member of the global enemy ideology, but I'm really really straining to push that connection
- This ... was a spin on the line that Wanda speaks to Strange in Multiverse of Madness.
It does. When you did not discriminate but happen to do the "right" thing you are not to praise.
- This ... was a spin on the line that Wanda speaks to Strange in Multiverse of Madness.

I'd say give her back her driver's licence, but its only valid in towns occupied by the kkk/neo-nazis

Based booze cruiser fights fascism

Just like the mass murdering shooter who killed the Blackstone executive in his spree. I don’t condone mass shootings, but sometimes some good accidentally comes of it.

So I get the thought, and fuck billionaires, but did any real "good" precipitate from this? It's not like her position and the negative consequences of that position don't exist anymore. They'll just hire someone else who will be willing to sell their soul for the money. All that happened because of this is they're going to ratchet up security..
Even the United health guy even if he's not there the next guy is going to make the same decisions because ultimately there's only one decision you can make if you're only goal is to raise the stock price next guy is going to do the same thing, we're treating the symptom not the cause.
- Enough of them start paying for their actions - they won’t be able to fill the position. Plus, any skilled job takes time to replace a trained worker so it slows their parasitic plans. It’d be better for it to happen to actual billionaires like Peter Theil. Consequences for actions give people pause when they push too far. The rich are seeing no consequences, it’s why they have become so bold. Fear is a powerful motivator. Narcissists only fear things that directly affect them. Plus, it’s not like this was a good woman. Her job was to buy up all the housing she could and jack up rents for as much profit as possible. This directly causes homelessness which kills tons of people. Just because you call it business doesn’t mean it’s not evil. The scale of this type of investing is a direct cause of the housing crisis.

Jury nullification?

On the vehicular manslaughter sure, on drunk driving charges, I should hope not. Sure this time a Nazi scumbag who deserves to die was killed, but next time it might be someone wholely innocent. Just because we hate the victim doesn't mean what she did wasn't reckless.
- If we are taking it seriously, that lady is lucky to be alive let alone able to open a car door at a BAC of .42. Secondly if she was at a .42 and looked that well put together when they let her out of the drunk tank the next morning it's just not fair.
When did that work last?
The politics of the victim probably couldn't be mentioned during the trial. They often suppress that sort of stuff

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He did nazi her coming.

We are in an administration that lives by "the ends justify the means", so I'll allow it this once.

some people do their best work when drunk

can you imagine trying to repent and make amends for this one, and every loved one of that asshole is just as bad as they are.

The emotional strain might drive one to drink again...
Forgive me God and Parole Officer, there's something I must do.
The good thing about forgiveness is that it doesn't have to be actually granted in order for the person to see the errors in their way and meaningfully repent. Works the other way too, you don't have to forgive anyone for anything ever (though that can arguably be harmful to yourself).

Yeah no, saying fascists aren't human beings isn't "funny" or "quirky". Is fascists dying a beautiful thing? Sure. But they're still humans.

Mike! Post the .gif!

John Brown would be so proud!

See what my Christian God did for you?

Let them eat eachother.

How many Promille is that?

0,84
…
Sooo not really shitfaced
Edit: I stand corrected, shouldn’t have trusted google with the answer. She was quite shitfaced
- What? .42% BAC = 4.2% promille, over five times the legal limit and potentially fatal.
- Your conversion took a wrong turn somewhere. BAC is just percentage, promille is parts per thousand. So to convert, multiply by ten. Making it 4,2 promille. Really shitfaced. Very potentially life threatening even if you are not driving.