Hey 'murican here, the other day I punched my friend in the face and started bragging about maybe taking their home from them with violent force and now they are ravaging our friendship by refusing to hang out with me.
What can I do? Threaten my friend with more violence and intolerance?
I’m in B.C., and near the Washington border. It was a “right of passage” when we turned 21 and were legal to drink in Washington, USA. I think there was a lot of eye-rolling when we Canadian hooligans came over the border. But, you were always welcoming and hospitable. I miss you, neighbours 🥺.
Do you know where your friend is from? They might actually be from the US. Always ask for ID before you swing. Gotta hoard those calories since food got more expensive.
It's your friend's fault, they are brainwashed by the woke trans globalist agenda and can't understand you're doing it for their own good. Keep draining the swamp and they will eventually see you were right all along!
It's not even a boycott at this point, who in their right mind would cross the border and risk getting detained by an unshackled border control and ice.
Yup. Boycott is only part of it. The other part is that it's not safe. ICE is out of control and has already sent Canadians to jail for zero reason.
I'm planning a 15 hr drive next month that I'd normally do thru the US as it shaves a few hours off. But not this time. You literally couldn't pay me to cross that border - I can't risk getting shipped off to some concentration camp in El Salvidore because ICE doesn't like my hybrid car, or whatever.
I think many of us are shocked that the US has an army of ICE and CBP agents that were this ready to go full Gestapo. That suggests some alarming underlying issues.
As someone who travelled to the ZS for work (under different Visas(.... Not really shocked. The shit some CBP officers pulled during immigration at the airport. "What do you mean, you are here to work, don't we have Americans to do the job?", " Why do we invited Europeans to America to speak at an American conference?", "You're here because a Swiss company bought an American company? This can't be right."
And this was mostly in California. During Obama. I can only imagine how these interaction would go now, when those notjubs feel encouraged by their leader and on the right side of history.
I do want to feel bad, especially when hearing Canadians say, "go back to the US" like in that article. Then I hear stories about my Canadian friends going to Arizona for business and people making jokes about being a 51st state to their faces and my compassion dips.
I mean, I and others friends have made jokes about the 51st state thing with a Canadian friend in our group. But everyone in that group knows how fucking absurd the idea is, and everyone in the group knows that no one in the group is in favor of it. Sort of gallows humor.
I have to hope that’s what those others were trying with their jokes, trying to relieve tension by mocking the absurdity. But obviously if that backfires, it’s certainly not the fault of the receiver of the joke. Intention matters but it isn’t everything.
Yeah, my friends and I have made jokes that could be construed as the worse things you've ever heard unless you understood that that's the point. Out of context they'd be terrible, so I know what you mean.
The way my friend described it was quite unpleasant. They could have been joking with him but I think a few of us are more on edge about this so that can be in play. I've also seen news reports about Canadian's in Florida and Floridians joking about taking over Canada and Canadians being quite upset about it too.
I would hope that the Americans were not being intentionally provocative and that it's us Canadians that are not getting their jokes. However, I think most of us just don't take Trump's threats lightly. He's caused so much damage and he's only getting started.
The shitty part is that the people suffering aren't the people making decisions, but then that's what needs to happen for voters to vote for someone else.
As an American, I can hardly blame the Canadians. Who would want to cross the border when doing so might get you tossed into a dark hole in El Salvador for no reason whatsoever?
It absolutely does suck for the Americans who rely on those tourist dollars, though, as well as the Canadians who lose a destination they love. I really hope we can restore sanity sooner rather than later, but I fear it would take an act of God to do so.
We need the pain. Just like you needed the pain from Trump to oust your far right, We need everybody, even the people in the deep blue states to say absolutely not to the entire right agenda, or shit here is never going to get better
I can confirm Points Roberts is really losing out from this trade war. It's a little tiny piece of the USA easy to get to from Vancouver but hard from mainland USA since you either have to take a boat or go through 2 international border controls.
Point Roberts gets the water electricity and telephone from our lines, throws their trash in our landfills, gets most of their business from Canada, and have a bunch of shipping/forwarding services because the rates are often cheaper to a US address.
Many Americans are great and I like them, but we're boycotting because starting from the Republican regime and its supporters, a lot of people there have gotten too casual about how much they think they don't need us so we're reminding them at large of our value.
I'm glad this Bloomberg article finally lists the many reasons that factor into this because for a few months the only reasons given were the tariffs and bad exchange rate. On its own, those haven't stopped Canadians crossing to the US to this level in the past.
As an American, I do not take it personally that Canadians and other countries are boycotting the US. it's understandable, appropriate even, and I'm fully supportive of it.
The only thing I ask is that when the resistance comes that you find ways to support us, covertly if necessary, but public if able.
I agree with a chunk of this, but your note about 'reminding them at large of our value' is off. Most people I talk to here in Canada look at the issues in the states as basically untenable in terms of stability / trade / geopolitical unity. Supporting Russia, attacking their allies/threatening to militarily annex peaceful democratic areas like greenland, putting up BS reasons for trade tariffs (fent). The USA is a schizo trade partner at best, where for 4 years with the dems it may be 'normal', but when it flips repub its suddenly xenophobic dictator land, with less stability in its agreements than a third world military dictatorship -- at least those deals tend to last until the next coup, whereas Trumps agreements change based on his dementia; his administration has become comfortable with making up totally fake numbers even, which can change based on how they want to present the fake narrative about why they're doing whatever stupid crap they're doing. And there's no assurance it'll go back to a 'stable' dem setup for four years next time around -- the way it's trending, the dems will be locked up, with all their funding methods declared unamerican by EO, similar to the shakedown of the law firms that's happened recently as reported by 60 minutes.
If you live next to a family in a mansion, and they suddenly start flying a Nazi flag, beating/deporting their own maintenance staff (sometimes their own family too, by mistake), and screaming about how they're gonna take your house, you don't pull back on visiting as a way to 'remind them' of your value. You pull back because WTF, no. And if you can't move, and they were your main contact locally, you start lookin for other friends / buying guns and protection. Again, not to remind them of your value, but because fuck no.
We are going to treat the US more like a different country than ours, even after "normalcy" returns, but there is a way to recognize the fact that of the 300 million people you have at least a few million within them that are victims.
I get what you are saying, but just like ourselves, it's not realistic to expect every American to be a hero saving the world and themselves from Trump. We are doing our part to avoid American products, so we should expect organization and pushback at a similar level, rather than waiting for vigilante justice or asking everyone to just move away immediately. A general strike is a possibility, but we shouldn't be going "tsk-tsk" just because it's not planned right now. There could be the beginning of discussion to separate from the United States, who knows, but that won't happen immediately either.
I realize some of these are merely collateral damage.
Id rather it wasn't necessary, but in the meantime, may it start hurting enough that y'all rise up to your bullshit king.
Economic hardship is about the only thing we all understand. It's still important, I feel, to make it about the economy though. If Canada effectively sanctioned us because we banned abortions that would likely backfire.
Just commented in another post about Canadians stopped going to the USA. NY border towns like Plattsburgh, small one like Rouses Points, or even big one like Lake George are suffering big times because there is no more Canadians.
Two weeks ago, felt like going to Burlington for a quick weekend trip from Montreal. Went to Niagara falls instead. That a few hundreds Trump won't enjoy. Clean your house USA.
Only significant pain will transform the US unfortunately. And it'll either be economic or combative. Most MAGA voters are gone, but the "nothing will change" non-voters can be woken up from the delusion that nothing matters and helped to recognize that voting at its most basic is harm reduction.
As a border state that sees a bunch of Canadian tourists and shoppers it'll suck, but the only way out is through.
I'm incredibly sad about it too, it consumes a non-inconsequential amount of my family. But a large faction of the US have been trained since the civil rights era that it's good to suffer hurt yourself as long as you are hurting the undesirables more.
Are you aware what a massive undertaking it is to deprogram people who are brainwashed in a cult?
It's extremely hard, takes a long time, and requires the influence from the cult is cut completely.
So yes the MAGA cult is basically a lost cause. Unless USA decides to shut down FOX and CNN and the likes.
Other countries need to hammer republican states with tariffs and boycotts. Since they control the government, it's the only way they will relent on economic sanctions and ICE nonsense.
Or...
The West Coast needs to form its own trading bloc and reform ICE, as the former rules don't seem to apply to anything anymore. We'll continue to uphold traditional American values from 1776-2015, values held before all of this New Right horseshit.
I remember a recent commenter elsewhere refer to this as "playground speech". I guess if you have the mental capacity of a gradeschooler then you can't help but click on playground speech links. Clicks that inevitably seem to lead to a tiny narrow block of content down the middle of your wide screen, surrounded by miles of whitespace, lots of pictures, not much to read.
There are good Americans too, but unfortunately the majority voted for Trump, and now the world is turning away from USA.
Unfortunately the good Americans are colateral dammage. But USA did start a trade war, and USA has threatened the security of even their closest allies.
So the fault is 100% on the Americans for allowing Trump to become president. And even if many don't agree with him, Trump's actions are the official actions of the whole country. So Trump is dragging everybody down with him.
My God I'm tired of that argument, it's so stupid IMO.
Trump won the popular vote, the ones that didn't bother in principle might as well have voted for Trump, because the result would be the same.
By that logic it's not only a majority but a super majority.
Nowhere near a majority if you include all the people who didn't vote. Low voter turnout, combined with prolific gerrymandering and targeted attacks (like the 200 election day bomb threats closing polling stations mostly in Pennsylvania) means small minority groups can coordinate their actions to take over the government. Which is what has happened. The silent majority does not support Trump, and it's well past time for them to remember they are in fact the actual majority, and they had better not remain silent much longer or else they're going to find out that the cost of speaking will get higher and higher the longer they let these criminals run their country.