Depart, men of education.
Depart, men of education.
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The US is trading science and reason for zeal and faith. At least the scientists will be welcomed in the EU.
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Why did they leave the EU in the first place
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Most probably money
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I seriously considered it at some point, as in my (former) field many top researchers lived in Philly, New York, Boston + Toronto. Becoming a top researcher means travelling where other top researchers are. It was definitely not about money, pay is often equivalent between the EU and the US.
Eventually decided it was not worth it for me (had other priorities in life), but this is a sacrifice many EU researchers make (or should I say, made) to become top researchers.
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Operation Paperclip back in the day. Grants and such recently.
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This is the bobiverse future...
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Didn't Albert Einstein flee Nazi Germany which advanced our research into what became the atomic bomb. Hmm... Should be fun century for USA.
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Rods from God require space infra no one has and won't for a long while
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Trump has already dismantled the American empire. The decline will be rapid and terminal. Even if they returned to sanity tomorrow, the damage cannot be undone any time soon. Nobody is going to trust the US again in our lifetimes.
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Tbh he's just finishing off a process decades in the making.
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How dare you point out something so relevant and foreboding.
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Scientists left nazi germany for the US, now they'll leave nazi US.
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Also nazi usa took in nazi "scientists".
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Time for scientists to leave the nazi country, just like they left nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s
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Damned scientists. Everywhere they go, the place turns into a nazi shithole
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Not to mention the nazi scientists... Nobody wants to talk about them...
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Why is this in the "memes" community? It is not a meme, is it? We should have a general discussion community for topics like these! (if it doesn't exist already).
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Check the sidebar. We use the Dawkins definition of meme here.
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In the context of Dawkins meme, this post is definitely a meme!
idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning
If we consider scientists imitating the behavior of other scientists (ex: leaving the us) combined with the social network post (signifying the symbolic meaning), it checks all the correct boxes to me!
Would another peer review my analysis?
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I stand corrected! Thank you!
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That person's solidarity with a colleague is remarkable and probably worth sharing, but indeed doesn't look like a meme.
Yet I see why one would accept such post in a science-focused community. It's hard to ignore all the attacks on science by US politicians.
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To annoy you specifically.
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Welcome to Europe! You get to keep your healthcare plans into retirement!
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Why use Meta when Mastodon is available? The less we all use corporate social media the more resilient we become.
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Pediatric. Oncologist. That dude is an absolute hero and treasure for taking on such a horrible and bleak profession. I hate that those words are combined in existence at all. God I'm so ashamed to be an American.
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Some people are built different. My dad worked as a pediatric hospice nurse for almost 10 years. Talk about a shitty sad job. Every single patient is a child and every single one of them is GOING to die on your watch. Fuck THAT. I do not know how he did it.
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I figure we have to have some angels to balance out the demons that end up in positions of prominence in our societies.
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Now that is a hero
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They are just doctors. No need to glorify them. They do no more or less than a bus driver. Most jobs have an emotional toll.
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Let's agree to disagree. I respect bus drivers as much as you do. Some people, however, have a greater positive effect on humanity as a whole, and that deserves its own form of respect.
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I'd have to imagine that the stress and emotional toll is significantly higher for a paediatric oncologist than a bus driver. There's not so many people that could cope with that.
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Good to know. Next time I have a medical issue, I'll ask my bus driver for a diagnosis. What are your thoughts on subway drivers or Uber drivers?
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Agreed, I would be equally angry if a bus driver were detained by ICE. Their immigrants status and then solidarity is more important than their profession.
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Having known several healthcare workers with PTSD from the pandemic I strongly disagree.
Granted, the pandemic was traumatizing for people from all walks of life but I don't envy hospital based nurses or doctors from that time.
It was so painful for nurses that many quit leading to a shortage that'll likely go on for the next decade as a result.
Some of that is due to corporate healthcare enshittification but there was a mass exodus during the pandemic for a reason.
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Different energy. Bus driver has to deal with many potentially grumpy people in many potentially unsafe areas. Not an easy job.
A doctor that is specifically specializing in a field where he has to get to know and take care of children as they die in a potentially painful way, has a much different challenge. Less for safety or aggressive people (though maybe parents could be I guess) but more in being the one to watch as the hope fades for each individual child in their last days.
I wouldn't love the bus driving job. I don't think I could do the pediatric oncology one for more than like, one patient ever. I'd be depressed forever.
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You're right though. We don't need healthcare
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Brain Drain time.
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is the title a pun on "depart-ment of education"?
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It's from a presidential directive for dissolving the "Departmen of Education"
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It does appear to be so.
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This is a sign we are collapasing. When the smart people wanna leave we are left with a bunch of narrow minded, uneducated people.
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I work in big tech. 10 years ago, nobody was talking about going back to India, Pakistan, and to an extent, China. Now, people are talking about it. They're talking about Indian stocks, Indian houses, and dreams of retiring to go back.
Most people aren't - but the number is now non-zero.
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They're welcome to come to Europe. In fact, Europe is actively trying to accommodate it as soon as possible link
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It's okay to do the same to poor Latinos. But catch a scientists and I'm out of here!
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It completely not, obviously. But it's unreasonable to ask the not-yet-disappeared poor Latinos to draw ICE attention to themselves, and those already caught in the orphan-crushing machine can't access social media.
These legally-documented scientists are the people who CAN speak out, and the loss of whom might matter to those whose worldview is entirely transactional. They too are now unsafe but at least they probably have lawyers looking for them.
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Just saying, even this argument is a double standard. But OK. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Yeah what a piece of shit.
/S
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"And then they can for the white 'science' bros... but there was no left to speak up..."
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While it is not the point, I am curious if his colleague is white or not. Is ICE targeting all foreigners or just the non-white-Europeans?
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Absolutely all foreigners - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly67j35y99o
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*except for Ted Cruz and Elon Musk
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They've been torturing white people for about a month now
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It's not like ICE has a plan, a clue, a reason... They're just trying to attack as many people as their daddy commands.
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Might have been working in the US to long.
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Ones mind boggles.
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Haha, did this months before trump the first, enjoying early start fruits!
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Extremely sad news, this is what an authoritarian state looks like for anyone who still didn’t believe it. Wish them all the best wherever they land.
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Wont last long until only the abolutely immoral scientists remain that are willing to experiment on political prisoners.
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“Too” well
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Yes. Brings some doubt to the post. Semi illiterate yet professional? On the other hand, it is on a Meta platform...
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Replacing education with idiots. The perfect republican scenario.
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The middle finger in the end 😂 😂 😂
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Whoever does not realize that THIS IS FAR MORE DEVASTATING than any nuclear bomb or even SIGNED capitulation in a war - is nothing else but an utter fool.
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I can't wait for these brave visionaries to build capitalism and white supremacy in Europe. \s
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If you want to live a happy life in the US right now, make sure your parents are in Russia.
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Can someone send me a direct link to his post?
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rootless cosmopolitans 👆
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What's that, a drink or something?
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Teeehehehehehehe hey look a troll!
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It seems like the administration is trying to discourage travel across the border. Not just people on work visas, tourists and even citizens are reporting being detained. It's like East Germany or something.
Citizens too? I've not heard of that. Scary
Yeah, I read it yesterday I think. US citizen lives in Las Vegas and her German boyfriend comes to visit. They travel to Mexico and then were both detained on the way back in. She was released within days, he spent weeks even after volunteering to just go back to Germany. Fucking nuts.
Hold up, tourists? Are we safe to visit family?
Bruh, ask your consulate